it must be hurting them hard. yes, it is very hard deserted situation because all depending on the salary only, but for our salary and some business, we have some people need to do some business industry. so 2, so 5. so if you don't have issue resistor increase of this product, so basically it's, it's very complicated to leave here. so sometimes we need to going to the banks to get to take money for us to survive. so it's not a very simple situation here because we have off after this, we have the concrete income delgado, terrorist and coffee cup dog. i don't. so it, this is one other situation who created this all, all things. so for the price of the price is the basic team here and what we do in was in particular this situation is not very good because we have this just kind of

the condition of so for all the situation wellcare. yeah, it does look to be just a bad situation getting worse the moment. thanks so much for coming on the program and sharing what it's like there and on the ground for us. wilker dias, political and economic commented or live on r t. thank you. will time for another visit to the cross talk studios next. catch peter, and guess right ahead as they talk of the question, are there any adults they close this? ah

ah ah hello and welcome to cross. were all things considered? you are the un nato living in alternative realities. sanctions on russia or mr. rating. western consumers in brussels refuses to acknowledge your chance, replace russian energy in any time. on top of this,

nato doubles down on the strategy. it is only yielded disaster. are there any adults in the role? ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by them. i guess. george said, well, we in budapest, he's a guy which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to make the bob. she's a political analyst and editor, you know, it's me, internet media for a gentleman crossed up in the back. that means a big jump. i mean want, and i was just kicking off with george and budapest. it's been somewhat, been a very exciting week. i would say, george, i mean, i believe this program is circus because that's what it was. so they, a new strategy came out of nato, which you and i discussed the venue would quite leg didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. but one thing that's very clear is that g 7, e, u,

nato, they are essentially one. now there is been a complete fusion. and nato appears to be taking the lead, which of course is the back for, for the us to run all 3. and this is what i got from their new strategic concept, which has no original thinking and falls back on this gobbledygook. values are nonsense here, so it is a circus. it's, they're talking to themselves. they're not communicating. essentially what they claimed on the longest projects ability to map this doubling down and what is already failed your thoughts? oh, absolutely right. no summary. i mean they call it a new strategic concept. i mean there's nothing, nothing strategic, nothing conceptual about it. so since 1991, we loan that nato had no purpose for existing associate, constantly inventing new reasons to exist as own. you know,

we've had the humana area and intervention, preventing massive processes that we have the war on terror. and then we've had all sorts of other things like women and so on. so this is now they've invented a new concept which is indefinitely fashion. because if you keep expanding in definitely, sooner or later, you are going to get into an awful lot of trouble with an awful lot of states like you expanding into the neighborhood. and then, of course, that it cell becomes the reason for nato to go on the existing. so when they talk now is a civic. so even though the civic is a, is it that they can, they use in the nato made in the one thing in the pacific really means it's kind of a concept that they invented like western ball. you know, that there's another thing that they're very preoccupied with. really defining what

is the western book and sounds a lot better. but what is it? what will the now do? i mean, it, it sounds like they want to persuade india to join nato against china, which was a civic is that's the problem that here they do is create the enemy. and what does it know? it's moving into the and in this neighborhood provoking and inevitable reaction. and then they don't, we look at how important we are for global stability. so give me your thoughts here because again, we, the mentor is, nigel is a defensive alliance. but why in alliances defensive, why does it need to expand it as it expands and creates animosity in the areas that it's expanding to witness your brain? dema your thoughts? oh, well, let me 1st, let's just remember,

how do you need leadership about this expansion about finland, sweden becoming a new member? you know that they're planning to become members, but the decision has been taken care of as usual. it's actions. and i remember how young wouldn't want to let me do. you will get more of nato, and would you destroy the disagreements inside just don't you. which disagreements, i mean, nato was unanimous in florida, in the nato was neighbors in on been and destroying it. even last number says it's a waste leave, you know why, you know, there is a whole and,

and the destruction of the country, you know, basically the civil war there. so tell me, where is this huge disagree? but, you know, mr. mr. or been just object to some of the new values or the european union. and he was demonized. if you read the western press ponder in more by some very vicious, you know, almost alien forces, you know, reach out and everything that is good and you're seeing because these people are just 2 or 3, you know, 2 or 3 points. it used to well, so it is absolutely right. the naval is create a mess and it expands that. it also says, oh, the enemy is so good about disagreements that we should crash you. so you know that the latest, the latest idea is that there should be no consensus, you know,

immediately action, which i think is a very dangerous thing because then they will be, will get, they can, anyone who is not the why the states and all the pay so basically, you know, it's the same, i'm sorry, it's the same evolution of germany made between 1940 is getting more and more area is more and more aggressive and destroying disagreements inside it because they don't have any. so it's interesting the point that out, and i think there is a difference here. george is that until we we remember, you know, that, you know, we're not alliance, it's not directed against anyone. you all this nonsense. well now it is ok. they've taken the mass pop, russia, china, and this is what, this is what they want to galvanize the entire alliance around, which is, it's pretty bad. i mean, one of the things that these big compounds i've noticed is that this isn't

a week conversation. they don't really see further down, you know, it's, it's, it's the people that they feel that they're the mandarins of the universe and that there are so very important. but i can tell you, looking at the asian press, ok, you know, the, the g 7 needs. so what the brussels makes it up. so what i mean, they have an oversized sense of themselves on the world stage. and, and what did, what many people say is that, you know, they are isolating themselves by directing all of their. i'll focus on russia and we heard last week now, johnny george. that's exactly right. and that's very interesting. that during the, in the announcing the strategic process, they several times a repeated every country has the right to determine its own future. that's what made, you know, some countries allow yeah,

but the interesting thing is that everything that nato does is to close. so the countries, i mean, i spent all that time going around the world telling india all you have to join us is demonizing and sanctioning russia, even though it has nothing whatever to do with the goes against your, your foreign policy goes against your national interest. it goes against your tradition, but you have to join and they were doing that even to china. know them during the g 7, the last statement, there's a china after join us. you have to start enabling russia. so here is a, yeah, everyone has to determine their own future except those don't determine the future along. ok. so once again, it's like you're a right join us. you don't have a right not to join us. so, you know, we always have the case with a pharmacist to come and visit

a guy over our space. so with, so the, as a future. so that again, you know, the nature of which is we know we creating these enemies. and that's interesting is not the strategic concept about cooperation leg. yeah, that's exactly a game on this. you know exactly where i want to go look at this strategic concept that i think was last. it was in 2000 and then we have events playing out on the european conduct right now. course the big reference the claim that one word of that a resolve and in that complex, not one word. ok. so what is the, what is the defensive military alliance all about, ok, they're not going to talk about peace in their own neighborhood. and of course, the argument has been made and i'll be, it's the argument that the russians have made is that at the very core of this

problem is nato expansion. no addressing that issue whatsoever. i had a ration, but also when legal says, i don't, i don't know just how it's old allies are delayed again. i mean, women decent security. i just want, you know, i think you discussed it with joe, you know, this is a nato seems to, you know, come on, you know, a, well, if you're a woman and then you have to have your own military get, you are fully invested in the army army can draw you for its own purposes, a nurse. so this is

women, peace and security. this is the symbol. oh no. they just spreading democracy, i think is george and i, we were, we did a long video on this on the gap, which i urge everyone to look at. and we were trying to figure out why those 3 words worked together, maybe like less. so, i mean, the, in general, correct me if i'm wrong, there's something wrong with more than one. so like for women in the united states, you know, you know, affordable kid but is a lie, a people at the battle field. this is all very well, right? but they always forget about iraq. there is you, people talk about this, right? you know, companies, but we do have

a for the expenses here. and this is the main point. maybe this is a situation where more interesting, you mentioned that real quickly here. i mean, this is one of the most irritating things in this document is the word values. give me 30 seconds. we go to the break, but i think it's the actual document is 11 pages long and the word values comes up of 17 times. so everything is really about it's bad news because it never really specifies what these values are. you know, so please assume that they are gone mother an apple pie and all and all those things because it could mean a lot of things as being pointed out. it's about your all values are dropping women and sending them out and it's like, it's like, well, it's very fluid. it values what we think at the time, laurie ben, gentleman, company, we're going to restore break. discussion will stay,

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ah ah, welcome. after all, these are considered like you to a bill, this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real ah was go back to here in moscow demand, i guess what is it 803000000 more dollars that i losing out much money is being well over 50 percent of what russian spent on defense a year when it was

a very interesting stories coming out about something that we've projected here is some of the high tech stuff that the u. s. and sending very expensive, a missile defense related to missile defense and whatnot. there are some reports that it's landing, other hands, it's being sold on the black market. i knew this was going to happen if it isn't true back to we need more cooperation. but the stories are beginning to circulate. so not only is the conflict in ukraine not winding down, and that's, that's great choice on the side of the west and zalinski backers. but now we have but very sophisticated, very expensive. um, military hardware floating around in the 3rd parties, what could possibly go wrong the month ahead? well, the most challenging part of it is that the s russian troops, bush, ukrainian troops away. you know them at

a distance from that russian speak in the areas, you know, they're, they're mega in the east or the carnegie such as don't, yes. and you saw the song unfortunately, americans off the wind one distance. well switch. make it possible for the you bring an, i mean to strike, not all the at these pages. so i'm just, you know, on the, on saturday the struck you the russian people in the center in the downtown. so in fact, these type of make this work more dangerous, you know, i have a friend, you bring your relief here, you know, he became a rational citizen. you. all right? so he's family, they all the was it for the russian teachers where there are no ask him ok song as probably going to become part of russian. does your family was the she said

yes. but why don't you 7 were a middle like has to be mostly politic like dan, there was no, this is not going to work for us. we want the full protection. i mean, you know the situation. ok. we, we want to be part of what it means security ukraine regime is terrible. we are ready to put that for some time if there is whole but that, but we don't want to leave like the people in don't during these 8 years when they were not just they were all by the way in this situation between the 2. 5 is the worst. so this explains that rush of actions. and the problem with these weapons is that they make these great zone in russia and ukraine. the zone of course, the threat was high, must strike at the distance of 300 kilometers,

which is about 200 miles more than 200 miles. this is a huge distance and you are right. some of these mountains do disappear. i change my american police, you know, the american journalist, look at your own newspaper. look at that range in mind is to thousands of 1000 how maybe green weapons go in locally or in iraq. you know, i mean, so see the bill, lord of war and that's what it's all about. it's a great film, george, this is something you talked about and you're probably one of the 1st actually to talk about it. what is it? what does the kind of tell us what dinner was saying? this good can't be any, have measures at this point. it has to be a total inclusive deal and it will be dictated. 5 the russian side at this point. ok. because the most after it, you know, this kind of 5050 gray area. no,

it's not acceptable too much. it's not been too much. has been spent too many people have died too much, but this cannot happen again that and that's what the solution of this conflict is going to be a total solution. thoughts. yeah, it has to be a total solution because whatever a originally tension may have been on february, this might you full, which was essentially just to liberate a gas. and then you know, just leave it, leave it there. i don't think that's the solution now because the americans specially but also the british and the rest of the day. so they want to keep boring in ever more sophisticated and dangerous weapons. you brent, they're going to encourage zaleski and he's gang gong fighting this war. so there's no point, i just have to say that we've done, we've achieved our objectives because i won't have it because as long as they keep

loving these mist and a. 1 on saturday, they are the head targets inside russia when they specifically promised the americans, and the americans told the public no, no the we haven't a, they were going to do this and we know that they go to target crimea. i mean, i'm already said that they go to target crime, you like a going to keep doing this and the americans are going to another, they going to keep doing this. and they think that this is the way to bring russia down by essentially keeping this will going and humiliating and eventually beating her. so i just thought a rush of them has so essentially take over the rest of the country and remove the people from power. you know, whoever they bring somebody else in with bringing back, you know,

which they can allow these people to say it's, it's interesting to say that because there was a western and i want to just western poll opinion, will conduct the inside of your grade. last few days, and a 50 percent of the paintings when they're their own government, as well as russia be fair, but claimed their own government for the state that the following them. it's very interesting. i can remember places like responsible state crowns and all that say your grade is one of the world that your grades are completely, you know. and you know, i think that will have to be scrub some point because it's so embarrassing because the problem so much with western coverage of your grade, even before the conflict that it's a very complicated and one united country. and we're seeing this here. i have called what's going on in ukraine, also a civil war, and i think a lot of people,

you've already alluded to it how people in different cities of ukraine, only gradient. but when something like this happens, they want to total solution. they don't want to have this kind of growing floor that ukraine has been said since independence go ahead. no, i mean just for and mary goes from the standpoint all imagine that some kind of very american gama k bought in canada and they receive all the u. s. news in canada. yeah, i'm french watch them. you know, of course there will be a lot of people in walker and so if there is a church, because teach them little for that lucy, because there is more freedom, you know, the same story with receiving the books right now in odessa it is refusing to give children russian education, which is why keep it in english, in your case,

educational english in your range. are you always and this has been going on for 8 years and the late of these has been the one all 430 years. yeah. you're absolutely right. and you spoke to ations all there? well, i mean, the western probably has been saying, oh, what is plans a role of the american day? it was that there will be a good re local, i mean the last but there will be agreement. one instructional that nothing, all the saw, the ukrainian army is resisting. right? that's true. but there is which russian army, if you could, there is no group. sometimes the deal of the russian official, you know, that the ukrainian groups, special forces groups the book cause, you know, usually there is, there is no very war. why?

because people on a and maybe to the, to the new or just are really starting to really war a, the people on the ground. that's one thing. but george president by said, you know, when asked about high energy prices against me. and you know, and of course, you know what the western publics are going to have to suffer. and he says it is long as it takes. well, i think that you know, that time frame all of the, all of the nato combat, i think it was a, was ray mcgovern at 330 blind mice, which i think even it was a really good way to put it here. but i don't think they how they actually speak for people on the ground that have to take such high energy prices. and i think they're all, they're really the day for their bombastic emotional on xpo. say,

when i go in completely disregarding the interest of their own people go ahead. yeah, completely. and some of the other day they had this white house official was interviewed on cnn. and it was off this very question, what price we've been to pay. and we have to pay, you know, whatever price it takes for the living room a. so we got, we, i mean, it doesn't matter. you don't have any food on the table. you don't have any gas going to your tanks to get to work. the liberal won't order, and that's really, you know, he said he's blotted out the true, which is that this isn't the least war. it's all about, they go, they use you great, very cynically. you know, essentially destroy russia eventually of the destroy china and to dominate the want

. they don't, can i go about it? but i know they're, they're always the lead. this policy is leading to disaster. you know, the germans a screening, you know, a well, you know, a moment ago you were, you was saying that you were going to basically congress off or is that i want my point? they can hear it all ended. i went to say to both you and who are you are the people that want to defend the liberal world world. daughter, they don't know what a loaf of bread. they don't know what a leader of gasoline. they don't know how much electricity they don't care because it doesn't affect them. that is the water ok in the protection at the expense of everyone else. that's the end of my speech. amanda barbara, when i think, i guess a he was watching us here.

ah. ah, ah, breaking news this hour at least 6 people are dead on dozens hospitalized following on my shooting an independence day parade near chicago. heavy shelling by ukrainian forces continues on done yet city on its side skirts a warning, disturbing images follow. one person is killed in the tax also have you credit in troops proposed to defend lucy for months and months everywhere with their odd galaxy wretches blood for they take a lot of.