to discuss these issues and lorna joined by my guess, george samuel leon, budapest. he's a part castro, the guy which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet the baba. she is a political analyst and editor interest me. internet media for a gentleman, cross stock rules and event, that means has been just me want and i was really kicking off with george in budapest. it's been a somewhat been a very exciting week. i would say your to me, i'm titling was program e nato circus because that's what it was. um, they, a new strategy came out of nato, which you and i discussed the venue would quite leg didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. but one thing that's very clear is a g 7, e, you, nato, they are essentially one. now, there is been a complete fusion. and nato's appears to be taking the lead, which of course is the back for, for the us to run all 3. and this is what i got from their new strategic concept,

which has no original thinking and falls back on this gobbledygook. values are nonsense here, so it is a circus. it's, they're talking to themselves. they're not communicating. essentially what they claimed on the longest projects ability to map aggregate, doubling down what is already fail your thoughts? oh, absolutely right. no summer is really cool. is a new strategic concept. i mean there's nothing, nothing strategic, nothing conceptual about it. so since 1991 loan, that nato has no purpose for existing associate, constantly inventing new reasons to exist as own, you know, we've had the humana, terry and intervention preventing massive processes that we have the war on terror . and then we've had all sorts of other things like the wolf women, a song. so this is now living men to the new concept is definitely expansion.

because if you keep expanding in definitely, sooner or later, you are going to get into an awful lot of trouble with an awful lot of space would look like you expanding into the neighborhood. and then of course, that cell becomes the reason for nato to go on the existing. so when the talk now is a civic, so even though pacific is it that they use in the nature domain, we don't exactly know what thing in the pacific really means. it's kind of a concept that they've invented like western ball, you know, that there's another thing that they're very preoccupied with. not really defining what eastern bulk of this because i guess western bulk them sounds a lot better. but what is it? well then now the, i mean it, it sounds like they want to persuade india to join nato against china, which a civic is last to really the problem that here

they do is create the enemy. and what does it know what he keeps moving into the, and in this neighborhood provoking an inevitable reaction. and then they say, we look at how important we are a global stability. so give me your thoughts here because again, we, the mentors. nature was a defensive alliance. but why alliances defensive, why does it need to expand it as it expands and creates animosity in the areas that is expanding to witness your brain? deem your thoughts? oh, well, let me 1st, let's just remember how to do the need leadership about this expansion about finland and sweden becoming a new members. you know that they're planning to become members, but the decision. and that's usually it's actions. and

remember how young stock number would you want the need to get moral? nito will just destroy disagreements inside nature. ok. just tell you which disagreements. nato was nameless, you know, they don't, was neighbors, even though, been destroyed, maybe even the last number said it's waged leave the, i don't know why, you know, the result result was never in geez, and the destruction of the country. you know, basically a civil war there which april so tell me, where is this you disagree with? you know, mr. mr. or been just objective when you balance on the european union and he won't

do much if you read the west press, han boy by some very vicious, you know, almost alien forces which are opposing everything. that is good. you're simply because these people objected 2 or 3 points that you nice. so go to the right, they can miss it, expands and they've also said, oh, the enemy is so come about disagreements that we should crush. you know that no way just no way to say is that there should be no more consensus, you know, about immediate reaction. which i think is a very dangerous thing. because then they will be, will be back in the, anyone who is not the like in the states and all the page. so basically it's the same story,

same evolution. the germany made between the agent went to fort is getting more and more authoritarian kitchen, more and more aggressive and destroying disagreements inside it because they don't around it. so it's interesting the point that out and i think there is a difference here. george is that, until we, we remember, you know, that, you know, we're not, it's an alliance. it's not directed against anyone. you all this nonsense. well, now it is ok. they've taken the basketball, russia, china, and this is what, this is what they want to galvanized the entire alliance around, which is, it's pretty bad. i mean, one of the things with these big compounds i've noticed is that this is an elite conversation that don't really see further down. you know, it's, it's, it's these people that they feel that they're the mandarins of the universe and that they're so very important. but i can tell you, looking at asian press ok, you know, the, the g 7 needs, so what the brussels makes it. so what i mean,

they have an oversized sense of themselves on the world stage. and, and what do, what many people say is that, you know, they're isolating themselves by directing over there. i'll focus on russia and we heard last week now, johnny george. no, that's exactly right. and that's very interesting because during the, in the announcing the strategic process for several times the repeated, every country has the right to determine its own future. that's what they say. no, no, no. countries allow yeah. but the interesting thing is that everything that nato does is to coerce. so the countries, i mean, i spent all that time going around the world telling india, oh, you have to join us in demonizing and sanctioning. even though it has nothing

whatever to do with you and it goes against your, your foreign policy goes against your national interest. it goes against your tradition. but you have to join us and they were doing that even to china. know them during the g 7, the last statement, they say i have to join us. you have to start enabling russia. so here is a, yeah, i don't want to have to determine the future of those who don't determine the future along. ok. so once again, it's like, you know, you have a right to join us. you don't have a right not to join us. so, you know, we always, you have the case with in bytes, russian foreign minister to come and visit it, and then a over our space. so was so the, as a future. so that again, you know, the nature of which is we know we creating these enemies. and that's interesting is

not, there's nothing in the strategic concept about cooperation. and that's exactly going to see exactly where i want to go. if you look at this strategic concept, big i think was last was in 2000 and we haven't been playing out on the european content right now. of course reference the claim that one word and how to resolve and in that conflict, not one word. ok. so what is the, what is this the defensive military alliance all about, ok, they're not going to talk about peace in their own neighborhood. and of course, the argument has been made and i'll be, it's the argument that the russians maybe is that at the very core of this is nate spencer. no addressing that issue whatsoever. i had a ration, but also when legal said i don't, i don't know is following. so allies again. so, i mean,

we may be some security, i just want, you know, i think you discussed it with joe, you know, this is a nato seems to, you know, come on, you know, a, well, if you're a woman, then you have to have your own military get you are fully invested in the army. army can draw you for its own purposes, a nurse. so this is women, peace and security. this is the symbol or no nature spreading. democracy, i think is george and i, we were, we did a long video on this on the gap, which i urge everyone to look at. i mean,

we were trying to figure out why those 3 words worked together. maybe like less than that. but i mean the, in general, correct me if i'm wrong, but there's something wrong with more than one. so like for women is united states, you know, you know, affordable kid. but it is a lie, a people at the battle field. this is all very important, right? but they always forget about to, because iraq, there's, you, people talk about, we was right, you know, you, companies, but we do have affordable expenses here. and this is the main point. maybe this is distribution. well, they're more you mentioned that real quickly here. i mean, this is one of the most irritating things in this document is the word values. give me 30 seconds where we go to the break,

but i think it's the actual document is 11 pages long, and the word values comes up of 75. so everything is really about it's bad news because it never really specifies what these values are. you know, so it's assume that there, you know, you know, god, mother, an apple pie and all and all those same because it could mean a all values off dropping women and sending them out. and it's like, it's like, well, it's very fluid. it values what we think at the time, lord ben, gentleman by company, we're going to go to restore break discussion will stay, ah, ah, and with

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welcome after all things are considered like labelle. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real ah was go back to here in moscow. demand, i guess what is it $803000000.00 more dollars that i losing out much money is being well over 50 percent of what russian spent on defense a year when it was a very you said some interesting stories coming out about something that we've projected here is some of the high tech stuff that pos in sending very expensive a missile defense related to missile defense and whatnot. there were some reports that it's landing, other hands,

it's being sold on the black market. i knew this was going to happen if that isn't true back to we need more cooperation. but the stories are beginning to circulate. so not only is the count taking me in ukraine, not winding down. and that's a craven choice on the side of the west. and lynn steve's backwards, but now we have barry and sophisticated bank spencer, a military hardware floating around in the 3rd parties. what could possibly go wrong demon ahead? well, the most part of it is that the s russian troops wish the korean troops away, you know, the distance from their rush and speak in the areas, you know, they're, they're mega audiences in the eastern countries such as, don't. yeah. and you saw so unfortunately, americans are supplying long distance. well, switch make it possible for the spring. and i mean to strike,

not all the at these sieges. also just, you know, on the, on saturday, the struck bill, the russian people in the center in the downtown. so in fact, these make this work more dangerous. you know, i have a friend ukrainian relief here. you know, he became a russian citizen. he always sympathize and he pro so he's family, they all of it for the russian citizenship where the russian, i'm asked him ok solace. probably want to become part of russian. does your family of one of the she said yes, but why don't you 7 for me don't like how some people say like dan there should know this is not going to work for us. we want the full protection and you know, want to situation ok. we want to be part of what it

means. security. ukrainian resume is terrible. we're ready to go down there for some time if there is whole but, but we don't want to leave like the people in don't during these 8 years when they were not just they were both playing on this situation between the 2. 5 is the worst. so this explains that rush of actions. and the problem with these american weapons is that they made these great zones within russia and ukraine. the song, of course, the threat was high, must strike at the distance of 300 kilowatts, which is about 200 miles more than 200 miles. this is a huge distance and you are right. some of these mobile do disappear. i change my american police, you know, the american just look at your own newspaper. look at that 900001000.

how maybe you bring in weapons off in, locally are in iraq. you know, i see the bill, lord of war and that's what it's all about. it's a great film, george, this is something you talked about and you're probably one of the 1st back need to talk about it. what is it doing? well, just to kind of tell us what dina was saying, this can't be any have measures at this point. it has to be a total inclusive deal and it will be dictated by. 5 the russian side at this point. ok. because the most after it, you know, this kind of 5050 gray area, but no, that's not acceptable too much. it's not been too much, has been spent too many people have died was too much, but this cannot happen again. that and that's what the solution of this conflict is going to be a total solution. thoughts yet a has to the total solution because whatever i was originally,

tension may have been on february the 24, which was essentially just to liberate a and then you know, just leave it, leave it there. i don't think that's the solution now because the americans specially but also the british and the rest of nature. they want to keep boring in ever more sophisticated and dangerous weapons. you brent, they're going to encourage zaleski and his gang to gong fighting this war. so there's no point, i just have to say that we've done, we've achieved our objectives because i won't have it because as long as they keep loving these mist and you know, the yeah. 1 on saturday they are they hit targets inside russia when they specifically promised the americans and the americans told the public, oh no, no the we haven't a,

they were going to do this and we know that they have to target crime. yeah, i mean, i'm already said that they go to target crimea a going to keep doing this and the americans are going to another, they going to keep doing this. and they think that this is the way to bring russia down by essentially keeping this will going and humiliating and eventually be russia. so i just thought a rush of them has so essentially take over the rest of the country and remove the people from power. you know, whoever they bring somebody else in a really bad, you know, which allow these people to say, oh, it's interesting to say that because there was a western and i went to western poll opinion, will conduct the inside of your grade last few days. and i sent you a 50 percent of the premiums when they're their own government,

as well as russia be fair, but claimed their own government for the fact that they did the following them. it's very interesting, i can remember places like responsible state crowns and all that say your grade is one of the world that your grades are completely, you know. and you know, i think that will have to be scrub some point because it's so embarrassing because the problem so much in the western coverage of your grade, even before the conflict that it's a very complicated and on united country. and we're seeing this here. i have called what's going on in ukraine, also a civil war. and i think a lot of people you've already looted to help people in different cities of your grade, not only ukrainian but when something like this happens, they want a total solution. they don't want to have this kind of growing floor that ukraine has been sent to independence. go ahead and just for. and mary goes,

understand what's going on. imagine that some kind of a very american gama tape all in canada and with all the u. s. news in canada. yeah. i'm french watch them. you know, of course there will be a lot of people who if will happen. so if there is a chance, because we'll look for that. because this is, there is more freedom. you know, the same story with christina and books right now in odessa. it is refusing to give children russian education, which is why he became english in your case, educational english in your range. you know, i guess these are you worries and this has been going on for 8 years and the weight of these has been going on for 30 years. and you're absolutely right. and you spoke to ations all there. well, i mean the, the west and probably has been saying, oh,

what is plans have with all of the american day right here was that there will be a good read all i mean the last, but there will be a good one instructional that not all the saw the you bringing armies resisting. right. that's true. bob therapy is which russian army, if you could, there is no group, sometimes the keel, the russian official, you know that the ukrainian groups, special forces groups the ball cause, you know, usually there is, there is no very war. why? because people on wall a and maybe to the, to the new are just, are ready to start the war a, the people on the ground. that's one thing. but george president by said, you know,

when asked that, you know about high energy prices against me and you know, and of course, you know what the western publics are going to have to suffer. and he says it is long as it takes. well, i think that you know, that time frame all of the, all of the nato combat, i think it was a, it was ray mcgovern at 330 blind mice, which i think even it was a really good way to put it here. i don't think they how they actually speak for people on the ground that have to pay such high energy prices. and i think they're all going to read the day for their bombastic emotional on expo say when they go in completely disregarding the interests of their own. people go ahead. yes, completely. and some of the other day they had this, why house official was interviewed on cnn. and he was off this very question,

what price we were meant to pay a we have to pay, you know, whatever price it pays for the liberal liberal. well, no, no. so we got, we, i mean, it doesn't matter. you don't have any food on the table. you don't have any gas when you're trying to get to work. the live room won't order. and actually, you know, he blotted out the true, which is that this isn't the least war, is all about, they go, they use you great, very cynically. you know, essentially destroy russia. now eventually, destroy china has to dominate well, they don't count as well about it. but they're always the lead. this policy is a leading to disaster. you know, the germans of screening. you know, a, well, you know,

a moment ago you was saying that you were going to basically talk them all, you know, i want my pointing to hear it all ended. i went to say to both you and you are, you are the people that want to defend the liberal world order. they don't know what a loaf of bread. they don't know what a leader of gasoline. they don't know how much electricity they don't care because it doesn't affect them that they knew the water. ok in the protection at the expense of everyone else. that's the end of my speech and then to barbara a one. thank you for watching us here. oh ah, a

oh in terms of much of a school in relation to the population size. so the key to be a vice, these little values when i talk about little values i'm talking about she's of tolerance and acceptance off e t m a. i think what you need to have this economic revolution which empowers the course of the pool so that they can so share in this vision. ah ah

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