or miss rating western consumers in brussels refuses to acknowledge the europe, can replace russian energy imports. anytime soon, on top of this, nato doubles down on strategy. it is only yielded disaster. are there any adults in the room? ah, to discuss these issues and more of joined by mom, i guess george said well we in budapest, he's a part castro, the guy which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet the bob. she's a political analyst and editor, you know, us, me internet media for a gentleman, cross up rules. and that means has been just the time you want. and i was just kicking off with george and budapest. it's been a somewhat been a very exciting week. i would say george, to me, i'm titling was program e nato circus because that's what it was. a new strategy came out of nato,

which you and i discussed the venue would quite leg didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. but one thing that's very clear is that g 7, e, you, nato, they are essentially one. now there is been a complete fusion. and nato appears to be taking the lead, which of course is the back for, for the us to run all 3. and this is what i got from their new strategic concept, which has no original thinking and falls back on this gobbledygook. values on nonsense here. so it is a circus, it's, they're talking to themselves. they're not communicating. essentially what they claimed all the longest projects ability to map back doubling down what is already failed your thoughts. oh, absolutely. right. no summary. i mean they call it the new strategic concept. i mean there's nothing, nothing strategic, nothing conceptual about it. so since 1991,

we know that nato had no purpose for existing associate, constantly inventing new reasons to exist and you know, we had the humana in intervention, preventing massive processes. then we have the war on terror. and then we've had all sorts of other things like women and so on. so this is now they've invented a new concept which is indefinite expansion. because if you keep expanding in definitely, sooner or later, you are going to get into an awful lot of trouble with the move. a lot of states would look like you expanding into the neighborhood. and then of course, that cell becomes the reason for nato to go on the existing. so when they talk now is a civic. so even though pacific is that they use in the nato domain, we don't exactly know. one thing in the pacific really means it's, it's kind of

a concept that they invented like western bulk. you know, there's another thing that they're very preoccupied with. not really defining what easton ball consists because i guess western bolcom sounds a lot better. but what is it? well then, now that i mean it, it sounds like they want to persuade india to join nato against china. and the other is known as a pacific. is last to really the problem that here they do is create the enemy. and what does it know, but it keeps moving into the and in this neighborhood provoking and inevitable reaction. and then they do that. i know we look at how important we are for global stability. so give me your thoughts here because again, we, the mentors. nature is a defensive alliance, but why alliances? defensive, why does it need to expand it as it expands and creates animosity in the areas that is expanding to witness your brain demon? your thoughts?

oh, well let's, let's just remember how do bullets need leadership was and while this expansion about finland the, we didn't becoming members, you know, the plane and to become new members. but did you see turkey as usual? it's directions and remember how young stock number would you want me to, you know, get moral. nito will just destroy the disagreements inside nature. ok, just don't you which disagreements name? joe was nameless, you know, they can move to florida. they go was neighbors and destroy and maybe even the last number says it's wayne's

levy. i don't know why, you know, the result result was never for geez and the destruction of the country. you know, basically the civil war, they average april. so tell me, where is this huge green, you know, mr. mr. or been just objective. when you balance on the you're being union and he will do much. if you read the west press 100 boy bill to buy some very vicious, you know, almost alien which are holding. that is good. you are simply because these people objected 2 or 3 points that you nice to. so go to the right. they can express that. it also said, oh these any mean you so about our disagreements that crushed you. so you know that

the latest, the latest idea is that there should be no consensus, you know, immediately action, which i think is a very dangerous thing. because them, they to be moved. they can, anyone who is not to the why the states and all 8. so basically, you know, it's the same or story is the same evolution of the journey made between like and when does online to fort is getting more and more area kitchen, more and more aggressive and destroying disagreements inside it because they don't around. and so it's interesting the point that out, and i think there is a difference here. george is that until we we remember, you know, that, you know, we're not alliance, it's not directed against anyone. you all this nonsense? well, now it is ok, least taken the basketball, russia, china, and this is what, this is what they want to galvanized the entire alliance around,

which is, it's pretty bad. i mean, one of the things with these big compounds i've noticed is that this is an elite conversation that don't really see further down. you know, it's, it's, it's these people that they feel that they're the mandarins of the universe and that they're so very important. but i can tell you, looking at asian press ok, you know, the, the g 7 needs, so what the brussels makes it. so what i mean, they have an oversized sense of themselves on the world stage. and, and what did, what many people say is that, you know, they're isolating themselves by directing all of their, i'll focus on russia and we heard last week now, johnny george. that's exactly right. and that's very interesting of, during the, in the announcing the strategic process. they several times a repeated, oh, every country has the right to determine that. so you should,

i don't need to say no, no, no, some countries allow yeah. but the interesting thing is that everything that nato does is to close. so the countries, i mean, i spent all that time going around the world telling india, oh, you have to join us and demonizing and sanctioning russia, even though it has nothing to do with the goes against your, your foreign policy goes against your national interest. it goes against your tradition, but you have to join up and they were doing that even to china. the during the g 7, the last statement, they say, i have to join us. you have to start enabling russia. so here is a, yeah, i want to determine the future except those don't determine the future along. ok. so once again, it's like you're, you have a right to join us. you don't have a right not to join us. so, you know,

we always have the case with in bytes, russian foreign minister to come and visit a guy over our space. so with, so the a so rigid west of is right. do it. so you just so that again, you know, the nature of which is we know we creating these enemies. and that's interesting is not nothing in the strategic concept about cooperation. and that's exactly what to do on this. you know exactly where i want to go. you know, you look at this strategic concept that big, i think was last, it was in 2000 and we haven't been playing out on the european content right now. of course reference. great. not one word of how to resolve. and in that conflict, not one word. ok. so what is the, what is this the defensive military alliance all about. ok, they're not going to talk about peace in their own neighborhood. and of course,

the argument has been made and i'll be, it's the argument that the russians maybe at the very core of this problem is nate spencer. no addressing that issue whatsoever. i had a ration, but also when legal says i don't, i don't know just following. so allies again. so, i mean, we may be some security, i just want, you know, i think you discussed it with joe, you know, this is a nato seems to be, you know, come on, you know, a, well, if you're a woman, then you have to have your own military to get you are listed in the army, army can draw you for its own purposes,

a nurse. so this is women, peace and security. this is the symbol or no nature spreading. i think is george and i, we were, we did a long video on this on the guy which i urge everyone to look at. i mean, we were trying to figure out why those 3 words worked together. maybe like less than that. but i mean the, in general, correct me if i'm wrong, but there's something wrong with more than one. so like for women is united states, you know, you know, affordable kid. but it is a lie, a people at the battle field. this is all very important, right? but they always forget about to, because iraq, there's, you, people talk about,

we was right, you know, you, companies, but we do have affordable expenses here. and this is the main point. maybe this is distribution. well, they're more you mentioned that real quickly here. i mean, this is one of the most irritating things in this document is the word values. give me 30 seconds. we got a break, but i think it's the actual document is 11 pages long and the word values comes up of $75.00. so everything is really about it's bad news because it never really specify what these values are. you know. so it's assume that there, you know, you know, god, mother, an apple pie and all, and all those things. i mean, you know, all sorts of other things as being pointed out, it's about your all values are dropping women and sending them out on it. it's like, it's like, well, it's very fluid, it values what we think at the time, laurie ben,

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oh yeah ha. oh i welcome. as were all things are considered id labelle. this is the home addition to remind you, we're discussing some real ah was go back to here in moscow demand, i guess what is it $803000000.00 more dollars that i losing out how much money is being sent there. i went well over 50 percent of what russian spent on defense a year when it was very you said some interesting stories coming out about

something that we've predicted here is some of the high tech stuff that the u. s. and sending very expensive, a missile defense related to missile defense and whatnot. there are some reports that it's landing, other hands, it's being sold on the black market. i knew this was going to happen if that isn't true back to we need more cooperation. but the stories are beginning to circulate. so not only is the conflict in the, in ukraine, not winding down. and that's a craven choice on the side of the west and lynn steve's backwards. but now we have barriers sophisticated, very expensive military hardware floating around in the 3rd parties. what could possibly go wrong the month ahead? well, the most challenging part of it is that the s, russian troops, bush, are you creating groups a way you know, the distance from their russian speaking areas in, on that mega,

on assess the east of the countries such as going. yeah. and and you, the song song, unfortunately, americans are supplying long distance wells which make it possible for you. and i mean to strike, not only at the sieges also just i, you know, on saturday, the struck a rush and see 5 people in the center in the downtown. so in fact, that these battles make this work more dangerous. you know, i have a friend who's ukranian beliefs here, you know, he became a russian citizen, but he will with great and he's wrong council. so he's family. they all applied for the russian citizenship when the russian and ask him ok parasol is probably going to become a russian. does your family wasn't? she said, yes, i said,

but why don't you settle for amino solution like personal people should pony like there should know this is not going to work for us. we want to full protection. i mean, goodness, you know, and situation ok. we want to be able to rush because it means security for you. great resume is terrible. we are ready to put up with that for some time if there is whole, but that, but we don't want to leave like the people in dos during these 8 years when they were not russian teachers. they were born by the brain on this situation between the 2 fires is the worst. so this explains the rush of actions. and the problem with these american weapons is that they make these grey zone been russia and ukraine. the zone, of course, the threat was high, must strike at the distance of 300 kilowatts,

which is about 200 miles more than 200 miles. this is a huge distance and you are right. some of these mountains do disappear. i change my american police, you know, in america, just look at your own use. the range in mind is to $14000.00 how maybe you bring in weapons off in, locally or in iraq. you know, i mean, so see the bill, lord of war and that's what it's all about. it's a great film, george, this is something you talked about and you're probably one of the 1st actually to talk about it. what is it? what does the kind of tell us what dinner was saying? this good can't be any, have measures at this point. it has to be a total inclusive deal and it will be dictated. 5 the russian side at this point. ok. because the most after it, you know, this kind of 5050 gray area. no, that's not acceptable too much. it's not been too much,

has been spent too many people have died too much, but this cannot happen again. and that's what the solution of this conflict is going to be a total solution, thoughts? yeah, a half of the total solution because whatever i was originally dentures may have been on february the 24, which was essentially just to liberate a little guy. and then, you know, just leave it, leave it there. i don't think that's the solution now because the americans specially but also the british and the rest of the day. so they want to keep boring in ever more sophisticated and dangerous weapons. you've got to encourage zalinski and his gang to dawn fighting this war. so there's no point. and just to say that we've done, we've achieved our objectives because i won't have it because as long as they keep

loading these mist and you know what the deal is maybe on saturday, they are the head targets inside russia when they specifically promised the americans and the american sold the public. oh no, no the we have it on the what are you crazy? i'm not going to talk a little that we're going to do this and we know that they can to target crimea. i mean, i'm already said that they go to target crimea a going to keep doing this in the americans, like, i'm not really going to keep doing this. and they think that this is the way to bring russia down by essentially keeping this will going and humiliating and eventually to be here. just a rush of them has to take over the rest of the country and remove the people from power, you know, whoever they bring somebody else. and with bringing back, you know, which they can allow these people to say it's,

it's interesting to say that because there was a western and i want to just western poll opinion, conduct the inside of your grade last few days and a 50 percent of the paintings when they're their own government, as well as russia be fair, but claimed their own government for the state that in the fall in them. it's very interesting. i can remember places like responsible state grounds and all that say your grade is one of the world that your grades are completely, you know. and you know, i think that will have to be scrub at some point because it's so embarrassing because the problem so much with western coverage of your grade, even before the conflict that it's a very complicated and very fun united country. and we're seeing this here. i have called what's going on in ukraine, also a civil war, and i think a lot of people you've already alluded to how people in different cities of your

grade, only gradient. but when something like this happens, they want to total solution. they don't want to have this kind of growing floor that ukraine has been said since independence go ahead. no, i mean just for mary goes from the standpoint all imagine that some kind of very american gama k bought in canada and it received all the u. s. news in canada and french and watch them. you know, of course there will be a lot of people in walker and so if there is a chance to become us, teach them, we'll look for that. mostly because there is more freedom, you know, the same story with christina and books right now in odessa, it is refusing to give children russian education, which is why keep it in english, in your case,

educational english in your range. are you worries and this has been going on for 8 years and the late of these has been the one all well, 3rd years. and you're absolutely right. and you spoke to ations all there? well, i mean, the western probably has been saying, oh goodness plans have with all of the american day right here was that there will be a good read all i mean the last, but there will be agree want instructional that nothing. all the saw, the ukrainian army is resisting, right? that's true. bar therapist with russian army, if you could, there is no group. sometimes the keel, a russian official, you know that the ukrainian groups, special forces groups, the book calls you know, usually there is, there is no very war. why? because people on the wall

a and maybe to the, to the new or just are ready to start the war to the people on the ground. that's one thing. but george president by said, you know, when asked about a high energy prices against me. and of course, you know what the western publics are going to have to suffer, and he says it is long as it takes. well, i think that you know, that time frame all of the, all of the nato combat, i think it was a, was ray mcgovern at 330 blind mice, which i think even it was a really good way to put it here. i don't think they have, they actually speak for people on the ground that have to pay such high energy prices. and i think they're all read the day for their bombastic emotional on expos . say,

when i go in completely disregarding the interest of their own people go ahead completely and some of the other day they had this, why house official i interviewed on cnn. and it was off this very question, what price we were meant to pay a we have to pay, you know, whatever price it takes for the liberal, liberal loaner. so we gotta, i mean, it doesn't matter. you don't have any food on the table. you don't have any gas tanks to get to work. the living room won't order. and that's really, you know, yesterday about the true, which is that this isn't the least war. it's all about, they go, they use you great, very cynically. you know, essentially destroy russia eventually destroy china, has to dominate the, well,

they don't go about it. the one they say, they're always the lead this, this is a leading to disaster. you know, the germans a screening, you know, a well, you know, a moment ago you would say that you were going to basically got them on a 2nd here. and i'll, and at the side, i want to say to both you and who are you are the people that want to defend the liberal world, or they don't know what a loaf of bread. they don't know what the leader of gasoline, they don't know how much electricity they don't care because it doesn't affect them . that is the water ok, in the protection at the expense of everyone else. that's the end of my speech and then to barbara with bank, i guess in budapest here in moscow and thank you for watching us here. oh,

ah, a problem in terms of much of well, i mean if he's in relation to the population size. so the key to real nice, these liberal values, and when i talk about liberal values, i'm talking about the she's of tolerance and acceptance off he could teach relative dissidence. i think what you need to have this economic revolution which empowers the tories of the pool. so that they can so share in this issue with a,

with a narrative, both both models, you need to do both with a, a, a, a, a, with a personal number here with

a, a, with 3 civilians are killed and $27.00 injured in the latest ukrainian shelling of the republic with keep using nato weapons to target civilian areas. earlier, a chemical warehouse little gun republic was targeted by ukraine using american how it all crew visited the location. in almost 10 years. as a war correspondent, i have never seen how create the swath of 130 meters across them.