ah, ah ah ah hello and welcome to cross not we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. what is the liberal world order? is it some kind of value we're supposed to believe in who benefits from the liberal order? and are you willing to sacrifice for such an order? have you ever been asked to vote for the liberal order? it would seem the liberal order is an ideology of the leads by the elite for the lease. i

cross sucking the liberal order. i'm joined by my guest, matthew eric in montreal. he's a senior fellow at the american university of moscow and director of rising tide foundation of canada in chicago. we have caleb mauppin. he is a journalist and political analyst, and in brittany we have job, rick mall. he is a political commentator. all right, gentlemen, crossed out girls and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate kayla. let me go to you 1st in chicago. what, what do you understand by the term liberal order and considering your understanding of it? are you willing to sacrifice for it? go right ahead. well they have a lot of different euphemisms they use. they talk about the rules based global order. they talk about the open, the international system. i think that's how ann marie slaughter, one of the ideologues, a hillary clinton state department. but it, but essentially what they're referring to is a global financial system, a free trade neoliberalism, the dom of the world by

a few banks and corporations based on wall street and in london. and that is really what exists and what they are defending and their war is around the planet lennon called in imperialism the highest stage of capitalism. capitalism in its monopoly stage, where a few banks and corporations keep themselves wealthy by making the world for holding back economic development. and i think that's really what the issue here. i mean, you recall the back in the 1990 s. when boris yeltsin was wrecking the economy of russia, russia was impoverished. the usa loved the russian government one. russia restored its economic strength and booth and came in and built up gas. prom and ross now does state run energy corporations rebooted, the russian economy. suddenly, we started hearing about how russia is a threat. russia is a problem. rush is a threat to the so called liberal order, you know, in china was the sick man of asia. they had no problem with it, but now china is building up and building better cell phones, the united states, and when american manufacturers explored more steel and so suddenly now that

china's competitor are a threat to the so called liberal order. and i mean, this is really the domination of the world by banks and corporations done in the name of this open international system liberal order, open societies. george soros refers to it. that's what we're dealing with here. ok, let's go to matthew. in montreal, we have of obviously comes from the left to progressive left. he's a good friend of mine and a good friend of the program. but matthew, you're not of the man of the left. neither am i. how do you understand the liberal order? go ahead. well, i think that taylor did an excellent job. i mean, to add to that i, i, i think that one of the things that strikes me about the liberal world order is that it is rooted in a concept of anglo dash liberalism, philosophically. and there's the sort of idea that all opinions are accepted except of course, those opinions which challenge the governing class. those are not, but overall everything is accepted and that's why britain was known, even in the 19th century as a zone of supporting international tara,

tara outfits. and many of the assassinations that began the late 1819th century were unleashed by various terrorist cells anarchist groups that were cultivated from the things like the london conference in 1871. that provided a home safe based operations for the cessation of various statesmen, all around the world. and yet he was always, you know, that if you have a problem with various anarchist groups in your country, that's your country's problem. weeks that everybody and even today you have things like when done a stan is a famous term given to london and various leaders over the past 30 years from various countries around the world have have written open complaints to britain for hosting headquarters of various international terrorist networks and groups that have conducted various d, stabilizing efforts in all sorts of countries from egypt, and they, jerry, and, and pakistan and beyond. so i think again, you have a masquerade of a pretense towards acceptance and accepting all opinions, you know,

as being equal. and again, except the dominant opinion that which has the claim to truth is that which is wielded by those who have the power to impose your opinions. but that's that, that's it. and that's my point. and that's the point i'd heard to make the only introduction because this was all about the leads ok, as long as they don't sacrifice, as long as they don't suffer was going to show and brittany, i mean, you know, are you willing to pay how much higher gas prices, energy prices for in ideology that doesn't necessarily and i would certainly say doesn't represent you go ahead. yes. but let me make a more general mark about liberalism. you see there is a big difference between ideologies. but when they are not in bower and where they are in bower, whether it be coming ism of islam or in your hand, et cetera. and as it's also true for liberalism, there are 3 characteristic of classical liberalism which present the liberals of

people who claim to be liberals don't defense. the 1st one is freedom of speech. yep. that was a weakening among classical liberals with now. right? pretty obvious that they try to suppress, i don't have to explain it to our fee, which has been cancelled in europe, and that is all to cancel gracen and i have been cut cancer than other people. so clinton was speech in effect is good. and then of course, the most extreme case being assert, this is the 2nd thing, his crushingly thing, the liberals praise themselves, us not being in the grape of an ideology, laker come in, his own crushes, mockery, journal, et cetera. but in fact, when you see, for example, the sanctions against russia, how could any with the, with any sense of reality thing that they could work sanctions. i've never work against cube in july and all kinds of other countries and way with they work on a galaxy, which is so well connected to the rest of the world and which is so self sufficient

. as kosher. you will have to be completely in the 8th of an idea, he to believe that that works. and the dog, characteristic of liberalism, that god does on the hold when to their info is representative democracy. oh, because of all preventative democracy, she poses that there is 70 of the people 70 of a nation. and that's exactly what they don't want in the so called liberal order, where they want to impose what they did, their version of liberalism, which i just explained as a little to do, pleasantly liberalism to every county in the world. and of course, you know, that's what they're not accepting, they don't accept it to other people of the dumbass. i mean, the fact also that they never wanted to negotiate and they still not want to negotiate with the people of the dundas, will abuse the want to be either russian. so at the very least in the hand of mccain. this is something which we are, is completely hashanah comp. totally contradictory with

a liberal principle. so acting crazy. i mean we get confused. made the fact that christian really was the because he beat and we've seen it with the 4th of july celebration yesterday. and then he beat slogans going back to the $17.18 cent during which they have no intention whatsoever of applying to themselves. what, caleb, i think i think in chicago, i mean, i think it's fair to say and i'm glad the child brought up cancel called and i'll mention woke ism and things like that. it's very totalitarian right now. i mean, it, it, it, it has a very narrow acceptance of other ideas because other ideas are morally unacceptable. they're not, you know, they're not not misjudged or are misplaced, they're morally wrong. and they bring in a moral dimension to this year. they're in that's what makes it very totalitarian because you can't negotiate with a totalitarian. kayla. go ahead in washington. sure, well, i mean, the dirty little secret of liberalism is that it's always propped up by your

liberalism. you can't have a liberal society with a lot of without a lot of liberal institutions propping it out. the, as of the italian are not a group of liberals on the conference in central america that were backed by the united states, against the sandinista. they were not liberals the fallen gong religious called that is one of the main antique china and cities in the united states attacking china with their at bach times. they are not a liberal organization. i read what they say about homosexuals and other other kind of people. i mean, they're very vicious groove, you know, and you go down the line. i mean, throughout the world, the united states, army trains props up all kinds of fanatical, illiberal organizations to do their dirty work, to spread and defend the so called liberal order. and i mean, this applies even domestically within the united states. i mean, go back to 1980. you wouldn't have had the prosperous suburbs throughout the united states if you didn't have you know, of prison, industrial complex and arise of police brutality in the urban centers against the

african american community. and everywhere you see this, the liberal order existing, the dirty little secret is that behind closed doors, there are heavy liberal institutions backing it up with brute force. and what's going on with julian assigned is a great example of that right now. and the, the rise of cancel culture, it is also a reality of it. they don't really believe in this liberal self. they espouse, they like to have the veneer of that based on the prosperity that exists in certain stratum of their global financial empire to the end of the day. they want to contain their power and that may require them to collapse into a fully liberal system. and that was what the 2nd world war was all about. fascism was the collapse of liberalism into ill liberalism to say, well, you know, matthew, i mean, are you willing to sacrifice for this ideology? because that's what the, this, the current administration is saying. and i think that, you know, looking at the, the g 7 that met just recently, they're saying the same thing, suck it up. you have to pick up the tab for our comfort and our in the maintenance

of our power. that's what exactly what they're saying. they're not hiding it anymore. go ahead, matthew. yeah, it is completely devoid of substance. and i mean, people are willing to sacrifice for a lot their culture, their, their civilization, their, their nations, their families. i mean, if you give people a reason to sacrifice they will, they will go above and beyond. but there is a complete, shallow and shallowness in all honesty to the neo liberal ethic. and the fact that you have people like brain e, sort or against oldenburg saying that we have to be prepared to suffer to pay indefinitely. high gas prices in food prices. when people are already living in the render living under water, they're suffering and you're giving them nothing. you're demonstrating, matthew, let me ask you real quick question before we go to the bag. do you think all these people that tell us that we all have to sacrifice? do you think they know what a leader of gasoline costs? you think they know what a loaf of bread costs? do you think they have any idea what the average wages of a working people do you think they have any clue of that at all? go ahead real quick. no, they're all ivory tower. they've lived privilege. i've the silver spoon lives. they

have no clue about any of these. they don't care, even if they did have a conceptual idea. it doesn't matter because their hearts are so detached from their logic that they couldn't possibly act accordingly. but if that knowledge, and that's because they're better than us and they know better than us. that's why they have this attitude here. i gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after lunch break, we'll continue our discussion on the liberal order. stay with our team. ah, ah, ah

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that is how my family's happening. it's asking them to pull social, connect them to the door. what of some of the social class that, that one, thousands of people took to the streets. and this is just the beginning. a similar scenario could unfold in bangladesh. no. oh, like it's done. and other asian countries in africa is nino medical clinic over freeman. the indians took young, splendid some 30000000, which was put in your experience with welcome at the cross walk where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle

dramatically. we're discussing bill liberal order. ah, ah, let's go back to y'all in brittany. i find it really curious, all of this is being said in the name of ukraine, and you can have your own opinion on the conflict and i've done. i think this is the 1st program i haven't done on it since the in the military operations started on february 24th. but you know where we had that the g 7, we had nato meeting, and then we have jo, biding it, as long as it takes. okay, enough. obviously it's, it's in reference to ukraine. so that, i mean, what i find very more curious than ever is that the regime in, in care is not liberal at all. okay. and it bands opposition parties. its main opposition leader is under house arrest facing charges on the media sphere has been completely collapsed under a central control there that all of the television stations have been collapsed

into that there's one message, only one message at all, no descent is allowed and this is what the or europeans are north americans and known that they are even a mentioned the global south has to pay for this type of regime that will be, we're going to be supporting as long as it takes go ahead. your response is that you're seeing how did it start. it started in 2013 with the proposal for he pays on between ukraine and the european union and efficiency. wait, wait a minute. we have a free trade would you can rob one would you have been union so we should discuss and then your opinion is, you know, we don't discuss and then look of it where we're doing. they want to think americans organize the maintenance on what is interesting to sequence of event. and then it went down and down and down train. and there was a war in the east and now just to the especially generation and at no point at no point in this whole story. was there any discussion even now to go to a newspaper,

this girl who debating parliament in india of been counties, which i know sitting in almost these, are you willing to suffer? well, nobody's asking me. i mean, if a guess as 2 people are there, why is there isn't, there is no choice what some of these, no discussion, it's a religious code to 0. we have to defend you and why? and why? i mean, what does it mean? defend u. k. any rules, no negotiation, just about this. i mean we have been bumping yugoslavia food in 1st thing in the in bush and then in salvia for a determination of various people late because of the are being and so center. but any says that there mediation of the people in the dumbasses service book or doesn't make any sense with these little discussion, no discussion. i mean, because you see the opposition party is out by the, the children of band with them. no position about this, about these issues. i mean her with the he's on that. so it's is that there is

a hand system, but these are softer than the day. and system. the, the reason a soft is because they sold it to the position when it's a hero position like a sergeant where he goes in jail against societies and can came of it. the more and more i look at it looking at western coverage of the conflict in ukraine it's, it's a, for, in my mind it's very much a deflection for the liberal order to get its way, way into the green new deal. irrespective how you might feel about it, people not voting on it. ok. people don't vote on these things the that this, that the liberal world order doesn't trust a democracy. it doesn't trust voters. and so it's very interesting how there's a, there's an agenda dabbles agenda and then you have the conflict in ukraine. they dovetail really well together because you know, if you don't support a ukrainian to somehow immoral your totalitarian and all these other bad things that they'll call you. i mean, it does dovetail really good to go right after kobe by the way,

that was very totalitarian itself. go ahead, caleb. sure. well right now, we're seeing very much powered, grabbed by the big monopolies, jeff days, those and amazon, the walton family and walmart the big for super major oil companies. they are trying to grab control of the market and just drive out any can ketter's and the domestic us economy. the same thing is happening in western europe. and the pandemic was a perfect storm for them. and these are the liberals and these, the ones that are in with jo, bye. and it's that old cold war, eastern establishment, the anglo american establishment. then they saw the pandemic as a great opportunity to just demolish their opposition. and there was kind of an uprising against them from lower levels of capital. the fracking company is bessie device and lack water, military contractors. those folks were in the trump, and the, and meg allowed them to just demolish their competitors, hobby lobby,

big term support company. they shut down and so now they're trying to prolong this and the ride in oil prices and the huge gas prices that we're dealing with here in the state, cause like $87.00 to fill up your gas tank in the united states. i mean, just ridiculous, this is a way to ensure that monopoly and just make sure that, that lower level of capital, that is the opposition, that's trump in the state. it's the new right in europe. it's the brakes that people and they are to economically demolished. and they don't have the financial capability to challenge the big dogs on the global over the national market. and i think that what's going on here in order to, to pull this off, they need the government to be involved. these folks free 3 market data, they cetera, but they need the government to help us secure their powered rabbit and kind of put these lower levels of capital out of business. and i think that that's what's interesting about, you know, you hear a lot of the libertarian books, they are libertarian because they see that the state is heavily involved in

securing the monopoly for the big dogs. matthew, again, you know, where do average working people fall in this here because they're the ones that pay . so the way i look at it is very bad decision making and when things go wrong, well, everybody else picks up the tab and, and caleb's absolute right. you, we, we have, you know, we have socialism for the rich and capitalism for everybody else. okay. i mean, it, it just seems like an unfair playing field. i don't see how, what kind of power people have anymore under this system here. it's bankrupting people. growth is going down and it's still somehow you have to be morally behind this because it's for democracy, it's against the talk receives. i mean that this is a they, they're playing word salad with us. go ahead matthew. yeah, they most certainly are. and i think that there is a deep miss entropy underlying this so called liberalism. when you listen to the remarks of people, i know you've already one of the group,

the philosophical group trotted out by the world economic form, crowd and promoted as an ideologue group of what this you know, great post, great reset age. the great narrative is going to look like he's been a lot about the global, this new useless class that he perceives as being an inevitable consequence of the 4th industrial revolution. and the type of social and economic changes they wish to bring about in the global order using the excuse of the current on coming or the notting on coming to current financial collapse of the trans atlantic system now under way. so they don't see a role for many of the people, i would say the majority of the people living on the planet today. they don't see a role for them in the type of ivory tower order, the technocratic feudal order that they want to bring into being as an, as a means to win. and another thing is that they, the overall system, this, this bubble that is blowing up in, happen into because of co it or something like that. it happened because of could be a time that i think of it that happened in the late sixty's with the murders of j.

k. bobby kennedy, martin luther king. and the transformation of a wants buyable industrial economic system into a post industrial speculative basket case driven by myopia and much money worship in the early seventy's when the dollar was, was dissociated with the fixed exchange rate of gold system. and since then, it's been 50 years of atrophy of our infrastructure outsourcing, of, or, or, or heavy industry and inability to sustain the lives of people. and a giant bubble upon bubble on people desk that is waiting to default and pick the whole thing down. so i think there's a time bomb, not a banking system which is collapsing, and that time was set to create effects of chaos like in $923.00 by mar. and i think if you recognize that you can act and, and mitigate that in a way that allows the to be to fail base to take to know either the welfare recipients as they are today. but instead, take the case, take date, they can suffering, we can protect the viable part of the really colonies of the west. but it, that requires leadership. and i don't see a lot of that now. will matthew at the same time to very high inflation is very

beneficial for the very, very rich because they can pay off their debts. ok, with a devalued currency. works very well for them. ok, shell, let me go back to you. i mean, when i'm in american, i've been living in russia a long time, and i used to be an academic historian in the united states. and, you know, europe for me in the post, more era was, you know, confronted, defined by democracy, by prosperity and by security. it seems the europe is losing all 3 of them very, very quickly because of neo liberalism. go ahead. oh yes, yes. but also the, the crazy policy of sanctions against russia has this effect. i mean, germany is now having a trade deficits was the 1st time in 30 years 1st time in 30 years, a trade deficit keep going. but you see that the world is changing very rapidly. with this war because the most hallmark about things that even do most countries in the world come them hush and intervention. they couldn't do less than that because

of course that was a violation of international law. and the most countries defend international law. they did another bray sanctions. in fact, the benefit on the trade, they buy more home materials, india buy more of materials from russia, china. there's 2 so that nobody cares about these western sanctions. and i think this is haley a, he'll hear the end if you wish. of liberalism, the cases of liberalism, neoliberalism, where the west has decided that they can print them on there. that's why. so hallmark of putting that in st. peter's book that the west prince monega fed and you have been central bank and then they use that money to buy goods in the used to be cool, the turn world in the rest of the world. but of course, this is a complete scam because the, you can't buy these things. anything with the sprinted money that accept temporarily, as long as people trust the dollar, etc. that is going to come to an end. and i think the shock with the devastating i

asked them, 0 one more minute kayla boy let you finish off here, but i think i shall brings up a really good point. you know why the global south is not on board with the west when it comes to ukraine because neoliberalism, just as an attractive model for them. and you know, and they're not afraid of the west any more. because you know what the global south has power and it's growing. go ahead one minute to you, go ahead working. well, the defining believe this liberal orders that growth must and how they believe that there's just too many people in the world that the standards are rising to. and because of climate change or what other, whatever other excuses they want to give, growth must end with people around the world are saying, we want to grow, we want our economies to get stronger. we want to team up with russia and china, the belton road initiative, the rage and economic union. we want growth. we're going to have more than we had before. going to have a better life for our kids. and that is ultimately the real threat to the liberal order is that human beings continue to grow and expand, and that new technology and raise people out of poverty. that's what the liberal

order is really afraid out. the world is not going to stop so they can stay on top . very well said thank you. that's all the time we have gentlemen. i want to thank my guess in montreal, chicago and, and brittany, and i want to thank my viewers for watching us here to see you next time. remember, cross talk with ah ah, need to come to the russian state to never. i've side as i phone and the most. i'm skiing with house lamps end up with 55 with. okay, so mine is professional speaking with we

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