and others have had a concept of american exception with international law exist as long as it serves american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this danger is boy, man that wants to take over the world. that was a contract strategy. so some golf out of it on your own, i not leashed off tim zip on and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we moved east and the reason us, hey jim, it is so dangerous. is it deny the sovereignty of all the countries? the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. nature, what is founded? shareholders in united states and elsewhere in large obs companies would lose millions and millions or is business and business is good and that is the reality

of what we're facing, which is fashion with ah ah hello and welcome to cross not we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. what is the liberal world order? is it some kind of value we're supposed to believe in who benefits from the liberal order? and are you willing to sacrifice for such an order?

have you ever been asked to vote for the liberal order? it would seem the liberal order is an ideology of the leads by the elite for the leads cross sucking the liberal order. i'm joined by my guests, matthew eric in montreal. he's a senior fellow at the american university of moscow and director of rising tide foundation of canada in chicago. we have caleb mauppin. he is a journalist and political analyst, and in brittany we have job, rick mall. he is a political commentator. all right, gentlemen. crosstalk rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate kayla. let me go to you 1st in chicago. what, what do you understand by the term liberal order and considering your understanding of it? are you willing to sacrifice for it? go right ahead. well, they have a lot of different euphemisms they use. they talk about the rules based global order. they talk about the open the international system. i think that's how ann

marie slaughter, one of the ideologues hillary clinton's state department. but it, but essentially what they're referring to is a global financial system, a free trade neoliberalism, the domination of the world by a few banks and corporations based on wall street. and in alonda, and that is really what exists and what they are defending. i, in their wars around the planet lining imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism, capitalism in its monopoly stage, where a few banks and corporations keep themselves wealthy by making the world poor holding back economic development. and i think that's really what the issue here is . i mean, you recall it back in the 1990. when boris yeltsin was wrecking the economy at russia and russia was impoverished, the usa loved the russian government one. russia restored its economic strength and food came in and build up gas from ross. now, state run energy corporations rebooted, the russian economy. suddenly we started hearing about how russia is

a threat. russia is the problem. rush is a threat to the so called liberal order, you know, in china was the sick man of asia. they had no problem with it. but now china is building up and building better cell phones and the good states and we're, an american manufacturer is exporting more steel. and so suddenly now that's fine as a competitor, there, a threat to the so called liberal order. and i mean, this is really the domination of the world by banks and corporations done in the name of this open international system liberal order, open society of george soros refers to it. that's what we're dealing with here. ok, let's go to matthew. in montreal, we have obviously comes from the left to progressive left. he's a good friend of mine and a good friend of the program. but matthew year, not of the plan of the left. neither am i. how do you understand the liberal order? go ahead. well, i think that taylor did an excellent job. i mean, to add to that i, i, i think that one of the things that strikes me about the liberal world order is that it is rooted in a concept of anglo dash and liberalism,

philosophically. and there's the sort of idea that all opinions are accepted except of course, those opinions which challenge the governing class. those are not, but overall, everything is accepted. that's why britain was known, even in the 19th century as a zone of supporting international tara, tara fits, and many of the assassinations that began the late 1819th century were unleashed by various terrorist cells, anarchist groups that were cultivated from the things like the london conference 1971 that provided a home safe based operations for the assassination of various statesmen, all around the world. and the idea was always, you know, that if you have a problem with various anarchist groups in your country, that's your country's problem. weeks that everybody and even today you have things like when done a stan is a famous term given to london and various leaders over the past 30 years from various countries around the world have have written open complaints to britain for hosting headquarters of various international terrorist networks and groups that

have conducted various d, stabilizing efforts in all sorts of countries from egypt, nigeria, and, and pakistan, and beyond. so, so i think again, you have a masquerade of a pretence towards acceptance and accepting all opinions, you know, as being equal. and again, except the dominant opinion that which has the claim to truth is that which is wielded by those who have the power to impose your opinions. but that's that, that's it. and that's my point. and that's the point i tried to make an introduction because this is all about the leads ok, as long as they don't sacrifice, as long as they don't suffer good job and brittany, i mean, you know, are you willing to pay how much higher gas prices, energy prices for in ideology that doesn't necessarily and i would certainly say doesn't represent you go ahead. yes. but let me make a more general hallmark about liberalism. you see there is a big difference between ideologies. but when they are not in bower and where they

are in bower, whether it be communism of islam or in your hands, et cetera. and as it's also true for liberalism, there are 3 characteristic of classical liberalism which present the liberals of people who claim to be liberal, as don defends. the 1st one is freedom of speech. yep. that i said waiting among classical liberals with now. right. it's pretty obvious that they try to suppress. i don't have to explain it to our fee, which has been cancelled in europe in this old cancer. gotcha. and i have been cut cancer than other people. so kind of a speech in effect is gone. and of course, the most extreme case being assert, this is the 2nd thing, his cautionary thing, the liberals pray themselves as not being in the game of an ideology. laker come in his own trashes, locally journal, et cetera. but in fact, when you see, for example, the sanctions against russia, how could anybody with any sense of reality thing that they could work sanctions?

i've never work against cuba in the 0 hand and all kinds of other countries and way with the work on a country which is so well connected to the rest of the world and which is so self sufficient, as kosher. you will have to be completely in the 8th of an idea, he to believe that that were and the dirt characteristic of liberalism that god does on the hold when so daring bo is presented to the democracy. oh, because of all preventative democracy. she poses that there is a sub lengthy of the people, so lengthy of a nation, and that's exactly what they don't want in the so called liberal order, where they want to impose what did their version of liberalism, which i just explained as a little to do with liberalism to every county in the world. and of course, you know, that's what the doctor accept and they don't accept each other. people of the dumbass. i mean, the fact also that they never wanted to negotiate and they still not want to

negotiate with the people who done thus, will abuse the want to be either fresh and so at the very least in the hand of ukraine, this is something which we are is completely hashanah comp, totally contradictory with the liberal principles citing credit. i mean, we get confused, made the fact that prison the live was neighborhoods repeat and we've seen it with the 4th of july celebration yesterday. and they beat slogans. going back to the 17 and 18 centering was they have no intention whatsoever of applying to themselves. well, kayla only got, i think in chicago. i mean, i think it's fair to say and i am glad the gentleman brought up cancel called and i'll mention woke ism and things like that. it's very totalitarian right now. i mean, it, it, it, it has a very narrow acceptance of other ideas because other ideas are morally unacceptable. they're not, you know, they're not not misjudged or are misplaced,

they're morally wrong. and they bring in a moral dimension to this year. they're in that's what makes it very totalitarian because you can't negotiate with a totalitarian. kayla. go ahead in washington. sure, well, i mean, the dirty little secret of liberalism is that it's always prompted by ill liberalism. you can't have a liberal society with a lot of without a lot of liberal institutions propping it out. the, as of the italian are not a group of liberals on the conference in central america that were backed by the united states, against the sandinista. they were not liberals the fallen gong religious called that is one of the main ante china and cities in the united states attacking china with their at bach times. they are not a liberal organization. i read what they say about homosexuals and other other kind of people. i mean, they're very vicious groove, you know, and you go down the line. i mean, throughout the world, the united states, army trains props up all kinds of fanatical, illiberal organizations to do their dirty work to spread and defend is so called

liberal order. and i mean, this applies even domestically within the united states. i mean, go back to 1900 a's. you wouldn't have had the prosperous suburbs throughout the united states. if you didn't have, you know, a prison industrial complex and arise of police brutality in the urban centers against the african american community. and everywhere you see this, the liberal order existing, the dirty little secret is that behind closed doors, there are heavy illiberal institutions backing it up with brute force. and what's going on with julian assigned is a great example of that right now. and the, the rise of canceled culture, it is also a reality of it. they don't really believe in this liberal self they espouse though they like to have the veneer of that based on the prosperity that exists in certain stratum of their global financial empire. at the end of the day, they want to contain their power and that may require them to collapse into a fully illiberal system. and that was what the 2nd world war was all about. fascism was the collapse of liberalism into liberalism, to say itself. you know, matthew, i mean,

are you willing to sacrifice for this ideology because that's what the, this, the current administration is saying. and i think that, you know, looking at the, the g 7 that met just recently, they're saying the same thing. suck it up. you have to pick up the tab for our comfort and our in the maintenance of our power. that's what exactly what they're saying. they're not hiding it anymore. go ahead, matthew. yeah, it is completely devoid of substance. and i mean, people are willing to sacrifice for a lot their culture, their, their civilization, their, their nations, their families. i mean, if you give people a reason to sacrifice they will, they will go above and beyond. but there is a complete, shallow and shallowness in all honesty to the neo liberal ethic. and the fact that you have people like brain be sort of or against oldenburg, saying that we have to be prepared to suffer to pay indefinitely. high gas prices in food prices, when people are already living in the rent or living under water, they're suffering. and you're giving them nothing. you're demonstrating a real quick question before we go to the break. do you think all these people that tell us that we all have to sacrifice?

do you think they know what a leader of gasoline costs you think they know what a loaf of bread costs? do you think they have any idea what the average wages of working people do you think they have any clue of that at all? go ahead real quick. no, they're all ivory tower. they've lived privilege. i've the silver spoon lives. they have no clue about any of these. they don't care, even if they do have a conceptual idea. it doesn't matter because their hearts are so detached from their logic that they couldn't possibly act accordingly. but if that knowledge, and that's because they're better than us and they know better than us, that's why they have this attitude here, right? gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break and out to lunch or break. we'll continue our discussion on the liberal order. stay with ah

the well done middle alex, she's just see nothing from nobody but i just want to let you know that it's real name is logical schools and oscar which grew up in range of federal ridge public is the number is big enough. okay. that makes it easier for me to do that season. now she did the work for really naziism or was, is it the way it was it just had like, i don't, i don't bus and deal this wouldn't have happened. nato advice didn't push this agenda. this was because i'm, you know this also silly to what about a get the other student isn't up at

this point. it's ok to film to stay with general. ah ah, welcome back to cross sack where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. dramatic . we're discussing the liberal order

with we as go back to a child in brittany. i find it really curious. all of this is being said in the name of ukraine, and you can have your own opinion on the conflict. and i've done that. i think this is the 1st program i haven't done on it since the military operations started on february 24th. but you know, where we had the, the g 7, we had nato meeting, and then we have jo, biding it as long as it takes. okay, enough, obviously it's, it's in reference to ukraine shall not, i mean, what i find very more curious than ever is that the regime in, in care is not liberal at all. okay. and it, it bands opposition parties, its main opposition leader is under house arrest facing charges. the media sphere has been completely collapsed under a central control there. that all of the television stations have been collapsed into that there's one message,

only one message at all. no descent is allowed. and this is what the or europeans, the north americans and no need to don't even a mentioned the global south has to pay for this type of regime. that will be, we're going to be supporting as long as it takes. go ahead your response. yes, but you're seeing how did it start? it started in 2013 with the proposal for free trade zone between ukraine and the european union and deficiency. wait, wait a minute. we have a free trade. we can work one would you have been union? so we should discuss and then your opinion and say no, no, we don't discuss. and then the unit of each are well, wait a minute, i want to thing. then the americans organize the maintenance on what is interesting, the sequence of events, and then went on and on and the, on the train. and there was a war in the ease. and now we'll get to the special needs variation. and at no point at no point in this whole story, was there any discussion, even an article,

a newspaper, discuss or debating a parliament in india, european counties, which are now suffering in almost a you say, are you willing to suffer with asking me, i mean, if a guess as to pay what the why is the reason it is not chose what some of these no discussion is a religious code with we have to defend you and why and why? i mean, what does he do defend you? k, any will new negotiation this about this? i mean we have been bumping yugoslavia food in forcing you 9 bush, 10 in sylvia for, for the termination of various people late because of the are being and sent her. but any said that the nation of the beginning, the dumbasses server, boot and well doesn't make any sense with these no discussion, no discussion. i mean, because you see the opposition about is our band but the, the, to the band with them. no position parties about these issues. i mean with the, he's on that. so it's is that every day and system,

but these are softer than the day and system the, the reason it's soft is because there is so little a position. when is he in a position like i saw that while he was in jail like a cancer society's? caleb, it, the more and more i look at it, looking at western coverage of the conflict in ukraine. it's a, it's a, for in my mind it's very much a deflection for the liberal order to get its way went into the green, new deal in respect of how you might feel about it. people are not voting on it. ok . people don't vote on these things the that this, this, that the liberal world order doesn't trust democracy. it doesn't trust voters. and so it's very interesting how there's that there's an agenda, davos agenda, and then you have the conflict and ukraine. they dovetail really well together because you know, if you don't support the ukrainian to somehow your moral you're totalitarian and all of these other bad thing that they'll call you. i mean it does dovetail really good to go right after cove it by the way that was very totalitarian itself. go

ahead caleb. sure. well right now we're seeing very much powered, grabbed by the big monopolies, jeff days. those and amazon, the walton family and walmart. the big for super major oil companies, they are trying to grab control of the market and just drive out any competitors and the domestic us economy. the same thing is happening in western europe, and the pandemic was a perfect storm for them. and these are the liberals, and these, the ones that are in with joe biden is that old cold war, eastern establishment, the anglo american establishment. then they saw the pandemic as a great opportunity to just demolish their opposition. and there was kind of an uprising against them from lower levels of capital, the fracking companies, that's the device, them lack water, military contractors, those folks were in the trump and the pan down that allowed them to just demolish their competitors, hobby lobby, big term support, company they shut down and so now they're trying to prolong this and the ride in

oil prices and the huge gas prices that we're dealing with here in the state, cause like $87.00 to fill up your gas tank in the united states. i mean, just ridiculous, this is a way to ensure that monopoly and just make sure that, that lower level of capital, that is the opposition, that's trump in the state. it's the new right in europe. it's the breaking people. they are in economically demolished and they don't have the financial capability to challenge the big dogs on the global international market. and i think that's what's going on here in order to pull this off, they need the government to be involved. these folks free 3 market data, they cetera, but they need the government to help secure their powered rabbit and kind of put these lower levels of capital out of business. and i think that, that what's interesting about, you know, you hear a lot of the libertarian books, they are libertarian because they see that the state is heavily involved in securing the monopoly for the big dogs. matthew, again, you know,

where do average working people fall in this here because they're the ones that pay . so the way i look at it is very bad decision making. and when things go wrong, well, everybody else picks up the tab and, and caleb's absolute right. you, we, we have, you know, we have socialism for the rich and capitalism for everybody else. okay. i mean, it, it just seems like an unfair playing field. i don't see how, what kind of power people have anymore under this system here. it's bankrupting people. growth is going down and it's still somehow you have to be morally behind this because it's for democracy, it's against the talk receives. i mean that this is a they, they're playing word salad with us go head matthew. yeah. they most certainly are. and i think that there is a deep miss entropy underlying this so called liberalism, when you listen to the remarks of people, i know you've already one of the group, the philosophical group, try it out by the world economic form,

crowd and promoted as an ideologue group. of what this, you know, great post, great reset age. the great narrative is going to look like he's been a lot about the global, this new useless class. that he perceived as being an inevitable consequence of the 4th industrial revolution and the type of social and economic changes they wish to bring about in the global order using the excuse of the current on coming or the notting on coming to current financial collapse of the trans atlantic system now under way. so they don't see a role for many of the people. i would say the majority of the people living on the planet today. they don't see a role for them in the type of ivory tower order, the technocratic feudal order that they want to bring into being as an, as a means to win. and another thing is that they, the overall system, this, this bubble that is blowing up in, happen into because of colgate or something like that. it happened because of the time that i think of it that happened in the late sixty's with the murders of j. k . bobby kennedy, martin luther king and the transformation of

a was viable industrial economic system into a post industrial speculative basket case driven by myopia. and my money worked in the early seventy's when the dollar was, was dissociated with the fixed exchange rate of gold system. and since then, it's been 50 years of atrophy of our infrastructure outsourcing, of our, our heavy industry and inability to sustain the lives of people. and a giant bubble upon bubble on people desk that is waiting to default and pick the whole thing down. so i think there's a time bomb, not a banking system which is collapsing, and that time bomb was set to create the effects of chaos like in $923.00 by mar. and i think if you recognize that you can act and, and mitigate that in a way that allows the to be to fail base to take to know either the welfare recipients as they are today. but instead, take the case, take date, they can suffering, we can protect the viable part of the really colonies of the west. but it, that requires leadership and i don't see a lot of that now. well matthew, at the same time to very high inflation is very beneficial for the very,

very rich because they can pay off their debts. ok, with a devalued currency. works very well for them. ok, shell, let me go back to you. i mean, when i'm in american, i've been living in russia a long time, and i used to be an academic historian in the united states. and you know, europe for me and the post more era was, you know, confronted, defined by democracy by prosperity and by security. it seems the europe is losing all 3 of them very, very quickly because of neoliberalism. go ahead or yes, yes, but also the, the crazy policy of sanctions against russia has this effect. amina, germany is now having a trade deficits was the 1st time in 30 years, 1st time in 30 years, a trade deficit. keep going. what would you see that the world is changing very rapidly with this war? because the most hallmark about things that even do most countries in the world condemn washington eventually they couldn't do less than that because of course, that was a violation of international law. and the most countries defend international law.

they did another bray sanctions. in fact, the benefit on the trade that by more all materials injured by more materials from russia, china, this to so that nobody cares about these western sanctions. and i think this is haley a, he'll hear the end if you wish, of liberalism the praises of liberalism, neoliberalism where the west has decided that they can print them on there. that's why. so america for putting that in st bit there to that the west prince monet, the fed and you hobby in central bank. and then the use that money to buy goods in the used to be cool, the turn world in the rest of the world. but of course, this is a complete scam because the, the, the, you can't buy these things. anything with the sprinted money that accept temporarily, as long as people trust the dollar, it's at her with this is going to come to an end. and i think the shock with the devastating i asked them,

0 one more minute kayla boy of it let you finish off here, but i think i shall brings up a really good point. you know why the global south is not on board with the west when it comes to ukraine because neoliberalism, just as an attractive model for them. and you know, and they're not afraid of the west any more. because you know what the global south has power and it's growing. go ahead one minute to you, go ahead walking while the defining. believe this liberal order is that growth must have they believe that there's just too many people in the world. the li standards are rising to because of climate change or what other, whatever other excuses they want to give growth. montana with people around the world are saying, we want to grow. we want our economies to get stronger. we want to team up with russia and china belton road initiative, the rage and economic union. we want growth. we're going to have more than we had, but we're going to have a better life for our kids. and that is ultimately the real threat of the liberal order is that human beings continue to grow and expand and, and that new technology and raise people out of poverty. that's what the liberal

order is really afraid out, the world is not going to stop. so they can stay on top. very well said thank you. that's all the time we have gentlemen. i want to thank my guess in montreal, chicago and, and brittany, and i want to thank my viewers for watching us here at ortiz. so you next time, remember? ah ah a ah, with 6 i was showing

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