a lease by the elite for the lease with cross fucking the liberal order. i'm joined by my guest, matthew eric in montreal. he's a senior fellow at the american university of moscow and director of rising tide foundation of canada. in chicago. we have kayla mouth and he is a journalist and political analyst, and in brittany we have job, rick mall. he is a political commentator. all right, gentlemen. crosstalk rules and effect. that means you can jump in any time you want . and i always appreciate kayla. let me go to you 1st in chicago. what, what do you understand by the term liberal order and considering your understanding of it? are you willing to sacrifice for it? go right ahead. well they have a lot of different euphemisms they use. they talk about the rules based global order. they talk about the open, the international system. i think that's how ann marie slaughter, one of the ideologues hillary clinton's state department put it. but essentially

what they're referring to is a global financial system, a free trade neoliberalism. the domination of the world by a few banks and corporations based on wall street and in alonda. and that is really what exists and what they are defending and their wars around the planet lennon called it in korea was of the highest stage of capitalism, capitalism. and it's monopoly stage where a few bags and corporations keep themselves wealthy by making the world poor holding back in economic development. and i think that's really what the issue here . i mean, you recall the back in the 1990 s. when boris yeltsin was wracking, the economy of russia, russia was impoverished. usa loved the russian government, one, russia restored its economic strength, and bruton came in and built up gas. prom and ross now does state run energy corporations rebooted, the russian economy. suddenly, we started hearing about how russia is a threat. russia is a problem. rush is a threat to the so called liberal order, you know,

in china was the sick man of asia. they had no problem with it. now, china is building up and building better cell phones and united states and where american manufacturers explored more steel and so suddenly now that china's competitor are a threat to the so called liberal order. and i mean, this is really the domination of the world by banks and corporations done in the name of this open international system liberal order, open societies. george soros refers to and that's what we're dealing with here. ok, let's go to matthew. in montreal, we obviously comes from the left to progressive left. he's a good friend of mine and a good friend of the program. but matthew year, not of the man of the left. neither am i. how do you understand liberal order? go ahead. well, i think that taylor did an excellent job. i mean, to add to that i, i, i think that one of the things that strikes me about the liberal world order is that it is rooted in a concept of anglo dash and liberalism, philosophically. and there's the sort of idea that all opinions are accepted except of course, those opinions which challenge the governing class. those are not,

but overall, everything is accepted. that's why britain was known, even in the 19th century as a zone of supporting international tara, tara fits, and many of the assassinations that began the late 1819th century were unleashed by various terrorist cells, anarchist groups that were cultivated from the things like the london conference and 1871 that provided a home safe based operations for the sas nation of various statesmen, all around the world. and yet he was always, you know, that if you have a problem with various anarchist groups in your country, that your country's problem weeks, that everybody and even today you have things like when done a stan is a famous term given to london and various leaders over the past 30 years from various countries around the world have have written open complaints to britain for hosting headquarters of various international terrorist networks and groups that have conducted various d, stabilizing efforts in all sorts of countries from egypt,

nigeria, and, and pakistan, and beyond. so, so i think again, you have a masquerade of a pretense towards acceptance and accepting all opinions, you know, as being equal. and again, except the dominant opinion that which has the claim to truth is that which is wielded by those who have the power to impose your opinions. but that's that, that's it. and that's my point. and that's the point i tried to make an introduction because this is all about the leads ok, as long as they don't sacrifice, as long as they don't suffer good job and brittany, i mean, you know, are you willing to pay how much higher gas prices, energy prices for in ideology that doesn't necessarily and i would certainly say doesn't represent you go ahead. yes. but let me make a more general hallmark about liberalism. you see there is a big difference between ideologies bit when they are not in bell and where they are in power, whether it be communism of islam or in your hands,

et cetera. and as it's also true for liberalism, there are 3 characteristic of classical liberalism which at present the liberals of people who claim to be labors. don't defend the 1st one is freedom of speech. yep. that i said wasting among classical liberals with now. right. it's pretty obvious that they try to suppress, i don't have to explain it to after which has been cancelled in europe, and that is all the cancer grow children. i have been cut cancer than other people are. so kind of a speech in effect is good. and then of course the most extreme case being our sarge. this is the 2nd thing. his cousin aladin deliberates clear themself, us not being in the grape of an idea or g laker for communism crashes locally journalists. but in fact, when you see, for example, the sanctions against russia, how could anybody with any sense of reality thing that they could work sanctions? i've never work against cuba in july and all kinds of other countries and way with

their work on a council, which is so connected to the rest of the world and which is so self sufficient, as kosher. you will have to be completely in the 8th of an idea he to believe that that were. and the del characteristic of liberalism that doesn't hold when they're info is representative democracy. oh, because of all preventative democracy, shippers is that there is some lengthy of the people, some idea of a nation. and that's exactly what they don't want in the so called liberal order, where they want to impose what did their version of liberalism, which i just explained as a little to do classical liberalism to every county in the world. and of course, you know, that's what they're not accepting, they don't accept it to other people of the dumbass. i mean, the fact also that they never wanted to negotiate and they still not want to negotiate with the people or the dundas will abuse the want to be either fresh on so at the very least in the hand of mccain. this is something which we are,

is completely hashanah comp. totally contradictory with the legal principle. so acting crazy. i mean we get confused. made the fact that prison, the liberals, the because he beat and we've seen it with the 4th of july celebration yesterday. and they beat slogans going back to the $17.18 cent during which they have no intention whatsoever of applying to themselves what caleb only go back to you in chicago. i mean, i think it's fair to say and i am glad the child brought up cancel called and i'll mention woke ism and things like that. it's very totalitarian right now. i mean, it, it, it, it has a very narrow acceptance of other ideas because other ideas are morally unacceptable. if they're not, you know, they're not not misjudged or are misplaced, they're morally wrong, and they bring in a moral dimension to this year. they're in that's what makes it very totalitarian

because you can't negotiate with a totalitarian. caleb, go ahead in washington. sure, well, i mean, the dirty little secret of liberalism is that it's always propped up by your liberalism. you can't have a liberal society with a lot of without a lot of liberal institutions propping it out. the, as of the italian are not a group of liberals on the conference in central america that were backed by the united states, against the sandinista. they were not liberals the fallen gong religious called that is one of the main ante china and cities in the united states attacking china with their at bach times. they are not a liberal organization. i read what they say about homosexuals and other other kind of people. i mean, they're very vicious group, you know, and you go down the line. i mean, throughout the world, the united states, army trains props up all kinds of fanatical, illiberal organizations to do their dirty work to spread and defend is so called liberal order. and i mean, this applies even domestically within the united states. i mean,

go back to 1900 a's. you wouldn't have had the prosperous suburbs throughout the united states. if you didn't have, you know, a prison industrial complex and arise of police brutality in the urban centers against the african american community. and everywhere you see this, the liberal order existing, the dirty little secret is that behind closed doors, there are heavy illiberal institutions backing it up with brute force. and what's going on with julian assigned is a great example of that right now. and the, the rise of cancelled culture. it is also a reality of it. they don't really believe in this liberal self. they espouse, they like to have the veneer of that based on the prosperity that exists in certain stratum of their global financial empire to the end of the day. they want to contain their power, and that may require them to collapse into a fully illiberal system. and that was what the 2nd world war was all about. fascism was the collapse of liberalism into liberalism to say itself, you know, matthew, i mean, are you willing to sacrifice for this ideology? because that's what the, this, the current administration is saying. and i think that, you know, looking at the,

the g 7 that met just recently, they're saying the same thing, suck it up. you have to pick up the tab for our comfort and our in the maintenance of our power. that's what exactly what they're saying. they're not hiding it anymore. go ahead, matthew. yeah, it is completely devoid of substance. and i mean, people are willing to sacrifice for a lot of their culture, their, their civilization, their, their nations, their families. i mean, if you give people a reason to sacrifice they will, they will go above and beyond. but there is a complete, shallow and shallowness in all honesty to the neo liberal ethic. and the fact that you have people like brain d, source or against oldenburg, saying that we have to be prepared to suffer to pay indefinitely. high gas prices in food prices. when people are already living in the rent or living under water, they're suffering. and you're giving them nothing, you're demonstrating, matthew, let me ask you. it was over real quick question. before we go to the break, do you think all these people that tell us that we all have to sacrifice? do you think they know what a leader of gasoline costs you think they know what a loaf of bread costs?

do you think they have any idea what the average wages of a working people do you think they have any clue of that at all? go ahead real quick. no, they're all ivory tower. they've lived privilege. i've those silver lives. they have no clue about any of these. they don't care. even if they do have a conceptual idea. it doesn't matter because their hearts are so detached from their logic that it couldn't possibly act accordingly. but if acknowledge, and that's because they're better than us and they know better than us. that's why they have this attitude here. i gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break and out to lunch or break. we'll continue our discussion on the liberal order. stay with archy. ah need to come to the russian

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name of ukraine, and you can have your own opinion on the conflict and i've done. i think this is the 1st program i haven't done on it since the, in the military operations started on february 24th. but you know where we had that the g 7, we had nato meeting, and then we have jo, biding it as long as it takes. okay, enough obviously, so it's in reference to ukraine, shown that i mean, what i find very more curious than ever is that the regime in, in care is not liberal at all. okay. and it bands opposition parties, its main opposition leader is under house arrest, facing charges on the media sphere has been completely collapsed under a central control there that all of the television stations have been collapsed into there. there's one message, only one message at all, no descent is allowed, and this is what the or europeans are north americans and donate the don't even a mentioned the global south has to pay for this type of regime that will be,

we're going to be supporting as long as it takes go ahead your response. yes, but you're seeing how did it start? it started in 2013, with the proposal of free trade zone between ukraine and the european union. and the russians say, well, wait a minute, we have a free trade, we can work one, did you have been union? so we should discuss and then your opinion and say no, no, we don't discuss and then the look of it. well, wait a minute, i want to thing than the americans organize the maintenance on what is interesting, the sequence of events and then went on and on and the, on the train. and there was a war in the east and now just to the special needs variation. and at no point at no point in this whole story, was there any discussion, even an article or a newspaper discount or debating a parliament in india of european counties, which are now suffering in almost a you say, are you willing to suffer with asking me, i mean if a guess as to pay what the, why is the reason it is no choice?

what some of these no discussion is a religious code with we have to defend you and why and why? i mean, what does it mean? defend ukraine equals new negotiation, which is about this. i mean, we've been bumping yugoslavia food in forcing, you know, in boston, then in salvia for, for the termination of various people late because of the albanians, et cetera. but any says, determination of the b building, the dumbasses server, boot and well doesn't make any sense with these low discussion. no discussion. i mean, because you see the opposition party is our band, but the, the, to the band with them know position about this, about these issues. i mean with the, he's on that. so it's is that there is a and system, but these are softer than the day in system. the, the reason it's soft is because there is so little a position when it's a hero position, like i saw that while he was in j like a cancer society's. caleb,

it the more and more i look at it looking at western coverage of the conflict in you rain. it's a, it's a, for, in my mind it's very much a deflection for the liberal order to get its way went into the green, new deal irrespective how you might feel about it. people are not voting on it. ok . people don't vote on these things the that this, this, that the liberal world order doesn't trust democracy. it doesn't trust voters. and so it's very interesting how there's a, there's an agenda, davis agenda, and then you have the conflict and ukraine. they dovetail really well together because you know, if you don't support the ukrainian to somehow immoral you're totalitarian and all of these other bad thing that they'll call you. i mean it does dovetail really good to go right after cove it by the way that was very totalitarian itself. go ahead caleb. sure. well right now we're seeing very much powered, grabbed by the big monopolies, jeff days. those and amazon,

the walton family and walmart. the big for super major oil companies, they are trying to grab control of the market and just drive out any can editors and the domestic us economy. the same thing is happening in western europe. and the pandemic was a perfect storm for them. and these are the liberals and these, the ones that are in with joe biden is that old cold war, eastern establishment, the anglo american establishment. then they saw the pandemic as a great opportunity to just demolish their opposition. there was kind of an uprising against them from lower levels of capital. the fracking company is bessie to boston, black water, military contractors. those folks were in the trump and the and down and allowed them to just demolish their competitors, hobby lobby, big term support company. they shut down and so now they're trying to prolong this and the ride in oil prices and the, the huge gas prices that we're dealing with here in the state to cause like $87.00

to fill up your gas tank in the i'd say it's just ridiculous, this is a way to ensure that monopoly and just make sure that, that lower level of capital, that is the opposition, that's trump in the state. it's the new right in europe. it's the bread, good people, they are demolished and they don't have the financial capability to challenge the big dogs on the global over or national market. and i think that's what's going on here in order to, to pull this off, they need the government to be involved. these folks free 3 market data, they cetera. but they need the government to help secure their powered rabbit. and kind of put these lower levels of capital out of business. and i think that that's what's interesting about, you know, you hear a lot of these libertarian books, they are libertarian because they see that the state is heavily involved in securing the monopoly for the big dogs. matthew, again, you know, where do average working people fall in this here because they're the ones that pay . so the way i look at it is very bad decision making and when things go wrong,

well, everybody else picks up the tab and, and caleb's absolute right. you, we, we have, you know, we have socialism for the rich and capitalism for everybody else. okay. i mean, it, it just seems like an unfair playing field. i don't see how, what kind of power people have anymore under this system here. it's bankrupting people. growth is going down and it's still somehow you have to be morally behind this because it's for democracy. it's against the talk crises. i mean that this is a they, they're playing word salad with us. go ahead, matthew. yeah, they most certainly are. and i think that there is a deep miss entropy underlying this so called liberalism. when you listen to the remarks of people, i know you've already one of the group, the philosophical group trotted out by the world economic form, crowd and promoted as an ideologue group of what this you know, great post, great reset age. the great narrative is going to look like he's been a lot about the global,

this new useless class that he perceived as being an inevitable consequence of the 4th industrial revolution. and the type of social and economic changes they wish to bring about in the global order using the excuse of the current on coming or the notting on coming to current financial collapse of the trans atlantic system now under way. so they don't see a role for many of the people, i would say the majority of the people living on the planet today. they don't see a role for them in the type of ivory tower order, the technocratic feudal order that they want to bring into being as an, as a means to win. and another thing is that they, the overall system, this, this bubble that is blowing up in, happen into because of co it or something like that. it happened because of could be a time that i think of it that happened in the late sixty's with the murders of j. k. bobby kennedy, martin luther king. and the transformation of a was viable industrial economic system into a post industrial speculative basket case driven by myopia. and my money worked in the early seventy's when the dollar was,

was dissociated with the fixed exchange rate of gold system. and since then, it's been 50 years of atrophy of our infrastructure outsourcing, of, or, or, or heavy industry and inability to sustain the lives of people. and a giant bubble upon bubble on people desk that is waiting to default and pick the whole thing down. so i think there's a time bomb, not a banking system which is collapsing, and that time bomb was set to create the effects of chaos like in $923.00 by mar. and i think if you recognize that you can act and, and mitigate that in a way that allows the to be to fail base to take to know either the welfare recipients as they are today. but instead, take the case, take date, they can suffer and we can protect the viable part of the really colonies of the west. but it, that requires leadership and i don't see a lot of that now. well matthew, at the same time to very high inflation is very beneficial for the very, very rich because they can pay off their debts. ok, with the devalued currency works very well for them. ok, shell, let me go back to you. i mean, when i'm in american, i've been living in russia a long time,

and i used to be an academic historian in the united states. and you know, europe for me and the post more era was, you know, conferred in defined by democracy by prosperity and by security. it seems the europe is losing all 3 of them very, very quickly because of neoliberalism. go ahead or yes, yes, but also the, the crazy policy of sanctions against russia has this effect, amina, germany is now having a trade deficits was the 1st time in 30 years, 1st time in 30 years, a trade deficit keep going. but you see that the world is changing very rapidly with this war because the most hallmark of voting is that even though most countries in the world condemn washington, eventually they couldn't do less than that. because of course, that was a violation of international law. and the most countries defend international law. they did another bray sanctions. in fact, the benefit on the trade, they buy more home material senior buy more materials from russia,

china. there's 2 so that nobody cares about these western sanctions. and i think this is hailey, he'll hear the end if you wish, of liberalism, the prices of liberalism neoliberalism, where the west has decided that they can print them on there. that's why. so america, for putting that in st. peter's book that the west prints monega fed and robin central bank and then the use that money to buy goods in the used to be cool, the turn world in the rest of the world. but of course, this is a complete scam because the, the, the, you can't buy these things. anything with this printed money that accept temporarily, as long as people trust the dollar, it's at her that is going to come to an end. and i think the shock with the devastating i asked them, 0 one more minute caleb oil let you finish off here, but i think i shall brings up a really good point. you know why the global south is not on board with the west when it comes to ukraine because neoliberalism, just as an attractive model for them. and you know,

and they're not afraid of the west any more. because you know what the global south has power and it's growing. go ahead one minute to you, go ahead walking while the defining. believe this liberal order is that growth must have they believe that there's just too many people in the world really standards are rising to and because of climate change or what other whatever other excuses they want and yeah, growth must ad. but people around the world are saying, we want to grow, we want our economies to get stronger. we want to team up with russia and china belton road initiative, the rage and economic union. we want growth. we're going to have more than we had, but we're going to have a better life for our kids. and that is ultimately the real threat of the liberal order is that human beings continue to grow and expand and, and that new technology and raise people out of poverty. that's what the liberal order is really afraid out, the world is not going to stop. so they can stay on top. very well said thank you. that's all the time we have gentlemen. i want to thank my guess in montreal, chicago and, and brittany, and i want to thank my viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember,

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we choose to look for common ground. a ah, 3 children reported killed and several other people wounded in the latest showing attack, allegedly committed by ukrainian forces in the don. yes, republic. bottom left behind like premium troops. they were treated all of this fluid in the united states, a huge amount of power. the charges all full of corresponding discovers an abundance of us and supplied weaponry hastily, abandoned by ukrainian troops on the front line. as russian led forces to control the biggest for europe for 8 years who i just responsible just to,