ah, hello, welcome to wells apart. historically, here has been the center stage for humanities longest and bloodiest wars. and judging by the recent events in and around your brain that evolved may not be fully over asia. on the other hand, despite its enormous diversity, has been relatively few ras with conflicts. much of this trice with weakness was inflamed or fueled from the outside. but as the east continues to gain strength and the west continues to flounder, can be asian tigers heaved themselves from becoming too territorial to discuss it. and now joined by the poly professor of chinese studies at the job for a long narrow university in your delhi. this is great to see a great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. thank you will turn up on the right. now, let's start with something that is very close to home. my home. that is, i, that,

i mean, because you're trying to reach soon is to, it's 6 months you wrote before the, despite it's remote, as it has many implications for countries around the world. what would you say is its main effect on asia and specifically on the political and power dynamics within the continent. i can go full factor so we can learn from the conflict on in the last 131 days. one is the leadership stringent rules and responsibilities. there is a lot of title walking here by all the leaderships. the address lines are clear or, or the or suit of these are and the result of these hasn't become problematic in the past 6 months since february 24. the title walking is done by russia,

ukraine, euro united states, china, india. ah, every other country is doing this tightrope. box number one. number 2 is the water preparation. i won't be heard about the song, the russian jungle thing, by march. 5th, to beverly lined up, be all operations special operations. however, we are still looking at those in our military campaigns, and there is a huge logistics that isn't necessary. national mobilization is necessary for any kind of company. and we also seen the router to success of grown warfare in this conflict. i inter here here for a 2nd because i know you have 2 other points to mention, but on this point of,

you know, russian generals supposedly mentioning some deadline ways you hear that because i'm a russian, i follow the local media very, very attentively. and i think one of the specific features of this operation is that both the government, you know, i'm in the kremlin, the leadership of letting them put in, as well as his army circles. they didn't send any deadlines from the south ridge for this specific reason of not limiting themselves. so where is this idea of them on the operation being too long comes from i'm well, i read this read your saw this review in kilogram by russian gender. and the quick outcome of the wall. and of course there was a mention of our b, a minimum possible agenda that he's the ukrainian neutrality that

go expansion and the know ballistic decided deployments by the nato in the russian borders. and he was just one of the generals because we can take it as his expert or private opinion because as i'm sure you would agree that nobody can predict the outcome of the war or the ration over over a military operation at the, at the side. and we seem it's trajectory change a couple of times because there was initially a move towards peace talks in turkey. and then the strategy on the western part seemed to have changed with more and more ours being santia crane. so if i were to ask you, how long do you think it's going to go for russia, he's the one of the best military forces in the or

it used to be a 100 to so we tune them. and it has a lot of just armed forces and military operations have been 100. yes. if you have to trace back from does our discussions who have built the napoleon in the french war? and so then you can relate to lead to call this russia. he's image of military power and we have already spent about 6 months, and ukraine is a very small country. also the kind of found forces they have could have been wizard of in the missions cases it. so it is surprising for me the war dragged on for a long time. i can't put it on point figure for the the deadline or a specific time frame. because as you mentioned,

the weapons are coming from right. and the united states commented or are $2000000000.00 for this. and natal are commercial also supply material, so it looks like it more for long. what i was trying to see is that the, the kind of logistics been necessary for this car. long ball fish is a nightmare. they ammunition the full, the weapons, spare parts of teens. water, no required for this kind of small fish. d, r, 30. credible conventional and city torrance, capabilities and bill for the day. this is another factor in any future off including the current one of course. and the 3rd lesson from this conflict i would

imagine is the economic preparedness especially in terms of comprehensive national power. this concept came up during the soviet times, the americans copied it and everybody else today is copying this concept of comprehensive national power. this need to be built up before anybody is willing to go for a conflict. that's why russia is concerned, it see self sufficiency as a mass not only for war times, but also for the times of peace. because especially when you look the at the full back from this war and the disruption in production change sanctions that affect not only russia, but many countries that have absolutely nothing to do with the conflict in your brain. isn't that actually one of the silver linings of this bloody and horrible conflict that more and more countries are sort of looking into how to

leave by their own means. and by that own wisdom and logic, rather than taking ready solutions and advice from the powers that be in the powers that be, that change the rules of the game as they go, as we have seen. because, you know, the rules of free trade and all those international agreements that are supposed to safeguard international trade, they're not functioning anymore. yes, i agree to position work i was trying to enlist is one of the lessons that we learned so far. as the economic preparedness in the light of day energy crisis, the full price is on the sanctions becoming their target wars and inflation. in much of the rest of the or india is reading tourist 7.8 percent inflation and many other countries are actually both b b,

a person to marks. and so there is a possibility for recession along the session. so i was just on routing to this economic consequences that the global community has to face. and this also suggest the disruptions in supply chain mechanisms all across. and obviously it will have an impact on it is already in this. ready i also wanted to say that this conflict, the special operation, has also deserted in the matter to wall order of the kind of a city that is. so one cannot simply say one this game at the moment that not or to a war is also very important. and this is where the conversations like this are

important for us. so i was just saying to this concert conflict, i agree with you, hopefully that it is important to have those conversations and it's becoming i have to tell you increasingly more difficult because a china like mine is blocked in on many west in less social media. when you think about it, it's not just, you know, the workforce, it's in russia and the west, as you pointed out, the consequences of this crisis effect. everybody around the world. not only because of rashes, actions, but also because of the western sanctions. now, can i ask you, you know, in a situation like this, there is always a question about who is to blame or who is to be held responsible. and the americans, as an administration, is blaming the russians, not only for the warning ukraine, but also for their own inflation. but it is really clear to anyone who is educated

that americans, at some point, decided that the rest of the world can bear the consequences of them. punishing russia. do you think that's something that the world is ready to accept? do you see any changes in how the global politics, how the global economy will be around in the future as a result of the americans and the west, in general, making a decision, a conscious decision to penalize everybody in the world because they want to punish russia if you're speaking of aren't the majority of the countries, then there is a neutral or have been in the bank of the consequences of the contract. for example, the global so much of the fuel prices is impacting on them. i would also say the vaccine distribution not related to this company because of the call they kind of make,

that is the united nations near to maxing distribution for the global salt. developing countries, even that has been affected. partly because of this conflict. as the many western countries are holding the vaccines, they want to double vaccinate, triple vaccinate, or do vaccines a 5 times or 10 times until there's been a holding of these vaccines by the not the global lot. diversity is packaging this as a, a kind of a existential right to them. but the majority of the countries are a basically looking at the impact of the energy prices, the food prices, inflation and you know, many of the issues, for instance, the, the middle east conflict, the city and conflict,

the under development in africa, or in south america and asia interestingly, none of these are being raised in the past 6 months. yeah. so, so that indicates that the whole narrative has been shifted to conflict in ukraine. and so that is more of the global. so as we not hearing that, please listen to us. you know, we also exist, we have no problems that need to be resort. and especially in terms of the enemy, the vaccine just nobody is talking about the so i think that he's if you're asking for the majority of the countries concerned about daily bread and butter related issues rather than the yeah, the conflict. so as such, i said we have to take a short break for the time being, but we will be back to this discussion in

a few minutes station. ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms. race is often very dramatic. development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time to sit down and talk with

. mm. welcome back to well, to part with street. come, come to poly professor of chinese site is at the age of a hello. mary university, in your daily professor before the break, we were talking about the impact of this conflict on many countries. but you specialize in chinese affairs and i want to ask you specifically about china and india because as much as the countries treat each other with dish and i think they reactive to at this price isn't in a pretty similar way. both governments, as you said, what type type role, both governments benefited greatly from buying oil from russia, the discounted prices. i think it benefited much more than china. i think your

supplies of russian oil increased more than 8 times as since the beginning of, of the year. how do you think this whole conundrum will influence the dynamic bit been this to asian giants i you began with some of it to be shipped from iraq to us to, to asia in the case of china and india. although we began almost at the same level, china in the growth rates as part of the form organizations program in 1978 till recently have been growing at a 10 percent growth rate. now it has come down less than 3 percent, 4 percent, roughly. i want to call as medium high growth rates. in the case of in your we just began with the growth rate and we are expected to florida on 8 percent of it is hard for

a country like india to clock back much of growth rates. but we are doing the new schemes that are being proposed by the government of the day. the current aspect he's you mention china. i mean there is a lot of conflict going on between the tool, especially july, june, 15 night 2020. we had about 20 indian soldiers killed, an estimated on accounting for chinese war killed in this. the chinese government after 8 months declared about 4 people. in this conflict bart dos, new agency mentioned 45 people in china. so maybe somewhere between $4.00 to $45.00 or even beyond what is important is that be signed a lot of agreements. asana you mentioned about the russian agreements that the u. s

. and the nato countries, china and india have signed several agreements. 1993, the sent tranquillity, 1996 trans building measures in rehab for also the 2003. i'm not in the petrol agreement because bcm border defense ball person. i'm several of the protocols. i'm a bar to on june 15th to none of these matters really and the killing spree rental on for a whole night that night. and we were actually because if they sign an agreement with china in future, what would be the consequence of this, like water, it happened on june 15th, i'd like to try to charge a lot of lot of, lot going on. but i think you would agree that the amount of blood is i'm

comparable to what we have now. it's in the russians and the ukranian, they extend of the cranium. conflict is far more terrifying. horrible. i mean, i say that as a russian though with ukraine origins and i still have relatives in, in that country, is it, it's a huge pain and i think we will bear the consequences of both economic, social and human consequences, moral consequences of it for they get to come, having said that, i think it's pretty clear that the americans are trying to utilize india in dire rivalry with china through or through some other measures to sort of bring an indian more forcefully into the western camp. having seen how the americans can keep their promises being in afghanistan or even

in ukraine, do you think india can rely, safely rely on the americans in maritime affairs and security issues, etc. well, in the target choir meeting, communist, i'm one of the tor president biden. darn the ukraine and crisis is continental. and so it's not part of the quite agenda. so weren't he was trying to mention is bifurcated both of these and the indian foreign policy. we have what we mention as strategic are calling me. and as you know, we follow the non alignment moment before and recently we insist on the independent foreign policy and strategy and, and so i don't think the u. s. in get a nation should not be kind of exaggerated like everybody is previously in

russia. absolutely. even know china is heavily dependent on the american sci, the stock exchanges. moments. the multi national corporations that have invested in these countries is following the same path as the russians did since 91 and the chinese. and since 1978. i'm shopping anywhere. well, at least in anywhere in a good place, at least in the case of russian increasingly in the case of china. so do you think it's really worthwhile for india to follow in these 2 countries? i know, basically i was trying to say that at any country which wants to modernize specially an infrastructure, they need a lot of capital and need a lot of technology and, and need a lot of, you know, the,

the stock exchange is a symbolic gestures. and these are necessary for any country which are modernizing and china exploited this substantially since 1978. and so i was just mentioning that any country which wants to have these mortem gadgets, et cetera, we have to open up as this a part of the globalization. the larger picture i was trying to suggest that there is a conflict between china and india and then the defense minister of india, rental muscle, in september of 2018. the received 2 or 3 wanted in order to conduct china, india already us. so what i was trying to see is that shane get relations, did a lot of dept previously. i know that now and when that is

a conflict with china, the know where to will fall for the sustenance, military sustenance and so on. our time is running out. i want to try to squeeze in one more question about the tigers. i am, i want to close chairman now the founder of the people's republic of china, who said was that when someone is trying to wake a tiger a he or she needs to make sure that it has a long and i see now clearly the washington is now trying to contain what they call containing china. do you think they use the speakers in metaphor for the american strategy? do you think it's 4 sided and i do think it's long enough. oh, trust. i don't think the americans are contained in china. both china and america haven't g tool, as obama mentioned once in 2009. i think this is a misnomer that they are containing china, china contacting us. they have

a $780000000000.00 trade in their share trade is $8000000000.00. china, us trade is $780000000000.00. and every day prior to the time to make 6000 people cross off from the u. s, which kind of, i said was so, and so there is no containment. the soviet union was contained by the u. s, there, there was no trade, no investment, no market, no contract. that doesn't exist between us and china. i don't think there is any containment. the chinese keep flagging this just as a part of their defensive mechanism. bart, this is to put the americans in place by flagging containment pieces all the time. i don't think, in fact, china u. s. relations are more stable and more having more stir digit depth than us into relations or to us and i showed earlier. so i do that because,

i mean it's not just the chinese for using it. it's also it's in all american strategic documents that china is a major rival for them that needs to be that are also put in place. why do you think that americans continue with this pretty and friendly just for us? and it went on not only under the trumpet, ministration is continues out under the biden administration. in the recent times since leg trump, we have seen that kind of language. but even the chinese use the same language chinese or did you get sports use the same language as the u. s. dark doesn't really disturb their trade investment people to contact. so what i was trying to say this is not between china and less heavily dependent on each other. and of course they can say anything longer, telegram ought to be white house national security guard that you don't print

or other. nevertheless, work is important to have more depth in the us state is $100000000000.00. china us state, i've just mentioned 708 and there is more chinese investment in the us. the total chinese investment in india is $8000000000.00 for a 16 trillion dollar economy just about a $1000000000.00 in india. but chinese investment outside is $1.00 trillion dollars . majority of dark or a large part of it is in the us. i'm canada and europe. so what i was trying to say is funny about the, the statements given by the chinese ministers and digital exports of the day in the steady depth between them. china, your trade is over $600000000000.00. and i know the investment in c, c,

17 countries is quite huge. italy, spain want to go all those big countries or to illegally reason in spain. rural investment in these big chunk already is now functioning in any of the countries with infrastructure projects and others. i just wondered that all is no much we have to see hard facts before we say that containment, the professor, before we have to leave it, there was one last thing that i would add is that there was also a lot of interdependent in russia. western europe fortunate they did not because you know, these 2 powers from, you know, going into a direct conflict in your brain. so, but i quote that these experience will serve as a, as a warning to other international players. anyway, we have to leave it there. thank you very much for your insights today. thank you.

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