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global community to be a warranty. that was part of the place is big. can you order but established the united niche one job would you want? right? did i believe so? you all want to see, i understand you're supposed to be a need for what are we africans have to do to see? what did we define home futile in do obviously, coming new window didn't continue to be please just a 2nd glass to close. a little closer. didn't seem to be done. you know, or like do the go evian torno to do? would you comes to name chunks and argentina? thousands of people filled the streets of the capital bono cyrus on saturday during independent stay celebrations, to protest their government's failure to curb the country's economic crisis. ah, the countries minister of economy resigned last week as concerns over the
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negotiation of an i m. f, bailout deal worth $44000000000.00 and soaring, inflation running at over 60 percent with rising dollar. prices have hit the country's population hard following the ministers resignation. president alberto fernandez, called for unity and criticized the country, is opposition for disintegrating the nation argentina, which has been struggling with economic crises for decades, made a $44000000000.00 debt restructuring deal with the i m f. earlier this year. many protesters now blamed the i m f for having to lot tightened their belts. that's all for this, our stay tuned for more world news and just about 30 minutes. ah ah
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ah ah ah. hello and welcome to cross top where all things considered. i'm peter lavelle. the collective west face is economic disaster, high debt, escalating inflation, diminished competitiveness, and a very serious energy crisis. much of this, not all of this have been self inflicted, but the worst crisis, the west spaces is the crisis of legitimacy and the failure of neo liberalism. ah,
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to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel leon budapest. he's a podcast, read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, and the mirror cache, re cross to martin j. he's an award winning journalist, and commentator, or a gentleman crossed out rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want . and i always appreciate it, right, start out with george in budapest. um. what do you think of my introduction? georgia now overdue. and m r m m m, i prone to hyperbole here. but again that i stress all the right points that you did there. it's a very succinct summary of where we are. i mean, when we think of legitimacy and what, what do we really mean? we mean political ruling elites that can actually deliver what their voters in a democracy and what you know, what they're populous generally once, which is peace, prosperity,
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and that the minimum security for food on the table and the protection from the elements. now the leaders of the west of signally failed to provide any of those things. and they've got themselves involved unnecessarily in a war, in which the west coast no discernable interests and, and they have done so for kind of bizarre, obscure, illogical reasons that they are failed to articulate when they talk about. but it's a new world order. busy the liberal world as a rule based, or they're not, it resonates with voters because they are rightly don't understand when any of these terms mean. and so, as we had towards staggering economic crisis with written will soon have a inflation rate of 11 percent. germany 8 percent where a few years ago,
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the idea of even one percent inflation from the germans. man, my god, it was on his way back and, and then the united states is clearly heading towards the speculation. so it really is a question of why have the ruling in lease lead their countries into this disaster . disaster of their own choosing was another lateral disaster was of their own choosing marginal everything that george said, it's completely obvious to all of us. but when we're asked, you know, how do you going to address these issues? and we're, we hear the response. ok, we're going to back ukrainians as long as it takes, i mean, but that does it answer the question again. and it's really quite insulting, because decision makers, leadership in the west, they're there, they don't, they're not that they don't have to deal with the consequences of their own decision. i've always said, i doubt any of these leaders in europe in north america. have a clue, would have
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a local broadcast marker. they don't know local broker also or lease, or jostling or even the panoramic cost. that's not really concerned. they're not attached to that economy, but it's very disturbing. what you summarize about this mansion we keep hearing from the west, the term ukraine must fight to the last man, you know, my god, how incredibly become listed to these people. think they are that, that if, when you look at the actual human collateral, you know how much value does the west put on one ukraine life will say nothing 1000000 to. it's almost as though there it is. and they're human rights who live in air brushed. now the whole equation. now george talks about, you know, well this is all heading and why we have got this from the western leaves. this new rationale is new. we keep hearing about the so called reset button. you know, what is to reset button? i don't know what it is, you know is i, i don't think i know what it is, but i think what the western lease have been doing for very long time. certainly in
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my life time is making this transition from being on the governing and touching problems. head on to actually not dealing with problems, a tool, but simply make themselves look busy. as if to get this idea, represent the interests of people who actually believe in, you know, the new world order based on, on free speech, on libertarian. ready values on human rights, etc. all that, all that nonsense, which we've been presented to for so long as being the, the foundations of western democracy, which we ask is really the, isn't really the true true, true story. i think what's happening now to, to explain what george touched on is, i think a certain sense of panic. haneke is setting in the western english. they don't know where they're going. that terrified of debate, debate is like the age of the new environment. you know, we don't want people actually talking and this is why i'm horrified to get on my
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laptop every morning and look at my twitter timeline and discover one more western jan. this being charged by the traditional systems is a particular lady in germany. now who's report from us, she has faced a legal case in an absence and she's got this, this trial against, for just reporting reporting the truth and western the least don't really like. the truth is, as a commodity, they have control of the so called truth or perceived truth. so wrong. now, i think a panic is set again and i think that is linked to ukraine. i think it's very much, you know, that they need to be more and more creative to support the what i call the super release. we keep looking at the lease. we tend to think of the leads of people liked about it or johnson or emmanuel micron. but they're really the pump is really the sort of spokesperson of the release. the real leads people who control equities and start markets, the banks,
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a major military industrial complex. and even hollywood, this is really the real powers, the control people like to buy them. then we've been living under this good sense for so long in the west, particularly america, that hayes, okay. we have real democracy because we don't much about and we can vote him out. well, put him out. replacing with, with was, with whom, you know, another muffet wearing a cheap suit representing those super leaps. so i think to answer the question, to talk to you about what churches i think we're witnessing the state of panic from super niche now. and ukraine is part of the whole process of panic. m a church isn't ukraine. the deflection because of the panic that we've been martin, is just talked about. i mean, problems are easily recognized. but in when you live in their ideological bubble, they don't have any answers. they don't have any tools. ok, that's, that's the problem they have. and the problem is they only talk to themselves. and what our problems are, they either don't recognize or could care less. because our concerns are not their
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concerns and they are. busy more they were more important because they have the power george? yes sir, there was no question of that. and then we can see this even in the coverage in the media of the downfall of forest johnson in which the media obsess. you know, the devote hours and hours of coverage to all the gossip and trivia who said woman, who you, what about once and when, and none of it has any relevance. i mean, you just a 2nd who can run any of that way. it will britain facing 11 percent inflation when people are unable to afford the gas and electricity bills . and when you have essentially months of months of the month of negative growth, really, economy is, is stagnating. these are the issues that are roiling burton. and it's going to get
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even worse, we as, as we head into the windsor and it was the panic is also sitting in is the rest of the world isn't buying what the west is selling. and you know, whether it's india or china. there aren't interested in any of this liberal, illogical claptrap that blinking and by the level that the some of the great struggle going on in the world when democracy or journalism. there's no idea what lincoln is talking about. i, i have no, i was with you have, you know, the leaders of indian leaders of china because, you know, the national interest, you know, because they pose you, there, civilizational interest and russia does the same. they understand rushes point of view. they understand what russia is doing, but they have no understanding of what exactly the west is doing, what, what exactly the west is seeking to achieve in your grain. in fact,
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when we ask that question, what exactly is the west seeking to achieve a new credit? it's impossible to ask if we're just going to go on, you know, whatever zalinski ones were, you know, zalinski will get and we're just going to keep fighting and we're going to wait. we are trying to put the russians as much as possible. well, with a view to want, i mean, really where, where does this go? since you have no hope of winning and you have no hope of bringing the russian economy to sneeze. so the west is engaged in a war that the rest of the world has no interest and doesn't understand what the west is doing. a forest johnson was brought up because it got it correct me if i'm wrong, but he was headed to the conservative party. but in the last waning days of this agony of his a premiership, he was talking about that masculinity and the glasgow conference. you talk about,
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we need to be more feminine than what i think voters didn't expect that from a conservative leader. maybe i'm wrong. no. because he, he was a bit old in the respect that he came from that classic conservative background. the elite ism of being eaten. not many people in britain, even know the johnson isn't really even english. he's russian greek, turkish, and french. we rolled into one. so he's an old character, but he played up very much the lift and i think that's because really, if you look at the winning blow of his last election, where he had almost a landside was, was the huge contingent of old labor voters. the voted for him, the cross that line, you know, because they wanted to get breaks it, done. the tories, what have the next time around the next election they want to play, but the story about joseph is really interesting. we're going to talk about nita, because johnson is a product of the whole liters and sheen in the u. k. and the reason why he had to be pulled out when the reason why there was just minor coup d'etat in england was
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because the conservative party realized it wasn't playing by the rules. rules of keeping this pretense going, that we have a further democracy in the u. k, and that we really believe in freedom speech and human rights. and all this, he was going off the rails. he was going away from the plantation plantations, american say, and panic. the conservative will, will if you carried on doing that, it doesn't matter about the scandals. that you keep on, but if you carry on doing it, people will start realize that actually, this isn't a function, democracy anymore. and then there was a facade here, you know, where super leach in our country take the big decisions. and, you know, and i think a big part of george mentioned the, the, the unintended consequence of countries no longer buying a product that probably wasn't factored in to taking on russia in the u. k. you know, the fact that you have this acceleration now of bricks, countries you have this amalgamation of russia, india, china,
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together looking to see how can we put around markets, you know, forget about the west. you know, let's look to forward. exciting, but i'm sure the super leads of these western countries didn't fact that in what they were thinking about. i think it was 2 fundamental things. first of all, how can we create a monumental distraction to all of our fil policies in the west? you know, create a war somewhere that's a brilliant way of just hurting all your journalists, you know, taking them. all right. you said you have 2 points here. you said one. we're going to go to a quick break about to that quick break. we're going to get your number to ah ah, with
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welcome to cross dock. were all things are considered? i'm peter labelle. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah martin, get back to you and eric asher. you mentioned your 1st point, what is your 2nd go ahead. the 2nd point is the seaward corruption. and corruption always plays a big role. i'm when they leave start to fail when they start to lose their grip on the countries that are controlling the super leads in western europe. i think our son to panic and i think they're starting to worry that they will not be able to support themselves in the longer term. how do you have you insure against that? you know, how do you back up your how do you create a backup plan? against that, you take 40 or $50000000000.00 on the table and you push it across the table to your buddy is in an industrial miniature complex. you sent a you guys just take that, that should keep it going for promo. and by the way,
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there's more to come, you know, to, you know, you have these huge rounds, which in european union and america about illegal state aid. when it war comes, well there's slay a lost girl, the window you give as much money as you want to your own company. so i am, raphael lockheed martin. even worse, give huge sums of money to $1.00 of the most corrupt countries in the world, which before february 24th of this year, it was well known ukraine was a victory correctly. i wanna change gears a little bit. george, it's very interesting to me. we had a number of contacts we had, you know, were brussels. you know, the use always in permanent, a meeting and we had the g 7. we had nato, but the most important meeting was the g. 20, which the u. s. and it's a g 7. now, ice armor basically disrupted and made it into a non event. they obstructed it for reasons that you and martin of already talked
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about here is that they want the, the g 7 element of the g 20. if i can put it that way, they want to make sure their agenda is pursued and everybody else saying, no, we're not on board. i mean, you don't want to solve the world's problems that you actually have created your sanctions, your secondary sanctions. we don't want to be part of that. we want to solve problems. we all know about growing of food insecurity. sanctions in secondary sanctions and again, obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, i would pause and george the, the global south is no longer with number one, not interested in what the west asked to say, but more importantly, it doesn't fear it anymore. go ahead, george. just as exce. excellent point it with so problems aspect of it is very interesting because as you say, the g 7 crowd, they attended and they wanted to make it all about russia and. ready not to come
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up with any kinds of solutions, which is what the hours said. okay, well let's, you know, here we all are. let's see if we can discuss this and come up with a plan to resolve this problem. no, no, no, we just want to make the symbolic gestures, which is that i will not meet sir kayla wrong. i will not shake his dirty hand and i will not pros, in a collective photograph afterwards, and i will not take part in any joint communicate. so how does that, you know, solve the problem? how do we move forward from that? and then i think is really beginning to define the difference between the west and the rest of the world because the rest does thing. ok, well we've, we've set up these organizations or how do we try to resolve problems? and i think there really is something to do. i really love wrong. emphasizes this all the time, which is when we set up these organizations, whether it breaks the shanghai cooperation, organizational the c, s t o r or the,
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the, the eurasian, the economic area we're doing with a view to solving problems. we don't do it in order to direct and again, someone else a right now we're all together. you know, let's see how much we can hate the other. but as far as the ways this doesn't always ideologically driven, the, they get together, the g 7 get together and nato, and the e. u. and all i know is to shake their fist at either russia or china, or anyone else who's not on board with the other west agenda. so really, i mean, this is more becoming a kind of an angry uncle. anyway, he's having to just ignore that. you know, what do they have to say to us? i was thinking with angry uncle, but i think the west is the global. karen right now is like, oh, there they go. and they're going out the handle, you know, they're very rational. you know, don't talk, never say calm down because that makes them really more angry here. but it's very to martin, you know, i'm looking at in the, in the west. they don't give
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a whole lot of coverage because they're, you know, they're not up in front and center and they will be in 2008. the g 20, i would say, did play a positive role. least getting a global consensus to deal with the economic crisis at the time. but that's sort of the purposes of the western economic crisis came out of the west. ok. and then, you know, we have this situation meeting this year and the west doesn't want to participate in having global solutions get maybe you don't like what's going on in ukraine, but i think everybody is concerned. we don't want to have family in africa. i mean, i think it shows the lock maturity coming from the west because it's ideologically possess. yeah, it's, i'd like to be possessed with his own narrative, which i think has straightened the fraud. you know, they're, they're, they're obsessed with having their own agenda and their own identity, their own role. but it's interesting and the role of africa could be critical in an end game in ukraine because what's gonna happen the next few weeks, a couple of months. this is some,
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these are countries in africa are suffering. and the 1st person they're going to turn to as an institution. they return to your opinion, brussels which has been bang on a drum for so long. now, you know, we can help you with trade in a, you could reform with human rights. there was a conference very recently in brussels with all the heads of african states. and the message from the africans were sick and tired of you preaching to us about human rights. you know what? we want much more european union. what's happening is the old relationships between the law is african countries and the cleaning of masters is falling up. just recently, last few days. the french pulled out their last troops for monday, which was an absolute catastrophe for macro. and you know, to, to fly the, for the french flag and molly, and to dish out the moral tutelage about human rights and fighting terrorism. when in reality, all that was bullshit, actually the french will protect big contracts for huge french multi nationals and protect french citizens. are working for them, the parenthesis to that was the margins were hoping that we could get some kind of
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deal with the french, whereby they would protect us if we had some civil political uprising now, the old deal with colonial powers will the written jail was what will help you with that, you know, for most of the sixties and seventies and eighties, but that's over now. you know, we can't do that anymore just as the, the saudis, and most of the state is discovered junior spring when they look to the americans. when they start to get worried about the disco insurgency. you know, that's why these countries are looking more and more to russia because we've lost more. what's huge list moral high ground, you know, in the west, we don't house up infants anymore. so, you know, the role of africans is going to be very interesting if they decide they've had enough of this relationship, this nonsense. and they turn to the former clean power sprint from to say you need to help us out. we need hundreds of millions of dollars now and food date and people in britain or from say, well actually that's quite difficult because we've got people here. actually solving lines of food banks are getting longer and longer. gasoline is getting out
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of control in britain and people are actually leaving the jobs because they can't afford to drive to work. that is how crazy it is. you know, there is going to be a tipping point at a certain point where the entropy is going to say to the africans, i'm sorry, we can't help when that happens, everything changes. because what, where to the african shove, they turn to russia. that's such an interesting point. georgia was already mentioned, or i think mark mentioned earlier, ok the fall of forest johnson. ok. i'm in the british press. it was, it was just kind of a national enquirer stuff, you know, who said what, who was at that party, which is, why should any of us care about it? he's gone now. joe biden is going to get us so shall, lacking in november in some, you know, there'll be a new speaker of the house in all these things here. but george and martin year things are not going to change. okay. and this is what the panic that i think martin quite happily is mentioned here because none of these people have any solutions to these problems. you know, you want to change people on
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a chessboard and things like that. but it's not fundamentally because neo liberalism is the problem in this political class. so i think the panic. is this going to continue and continue? because the status quo simply is not tenable. yes, absolutely. right. i mean, you have one of the leading candidates to take over from bars. johnson is richie soon act was a billionaire hedge fund manager investment banker. well, we know where what his agenda is. and we've seen the in the united states recently, we had mike from delivering an important address of the hudson institute in which is as belligerent, if not more belligerent than the biden administration. if, in fact, this is in visiting with russia and china at the same time. and so, and one bell is at the very least a candidate to be vice president. do you know whoever is the republican nominee?
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so we don't have a system in which some the new leader could emerge, the sale of what we're going completely wrong. i mean, look at germany and i, all that shows the social democrats are doing terribly. there are any dismal bird on, but the people whose number one, number 2 christian democrats in greece, them, all religions shouted. i mean, then, bad beef with shoals is that he's not doing enough for ukraine. and again, we have the, the case of the united states. it's quite possible that donald trump will return to power in 2025, but trump will be in the same position as he was in 2017. i mean, if you really tries to affect some major change in u. s. foreign policy that, you know, the deep state or whatever you call it, is going to come off. i mean, you know, they will, they've already got the plan in place as to what it will be that we some very,
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and he's working for putin know he's, he's got a plan to destroy the west and whatever. we can be sure that there's a plan already in place to destroy him before he becomes president. be the 3rd impeachment trial. you know that? yes. know that. ok, absolutely. you brought up democracy here. when i, when i'm really quite pathetic because they like to mount the word democracy, but they don't want any real democracy to be in play because their priorities, the average citizen has no idea as we point. i'm going to have no idea why you say this is important for me because it's not ok and they always can find the limit the overton window as it were about what you can actually talk about. because if you're not talking about their priorities, then somehow and we've gotten to this in 2022, you're unpatriotic. you're a toady of someone. you're misinformation or spiral martin, go ahead. yeah, i agree, not so the whole point about debating is it's, it's,
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it's any kind of any kind of debate. it's been shut down, good team and i as you get smidge, get suit or taking the course if you even want to look at new ideas and asked, you know, what's the bigger picture? it's worth. i think it's really worrying that we've come to the stage. what worries me more is that some of these countries are going to include politically. we don't have a subway yet. you know, so many people learn. that's all the time we have here. i want to thank my guess, budapest americans want to make our viewers are watching us here are. see you next . i'm remember. ah ah, ah ah
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