and is a beggar which said in front of at least 10 people that bill clinton told him that they needed a figure of 5000 victims before they can, big for nato could intervene. so, you know, they got to it and that they got it. they manufactured an even bigger number than that just to be able to off. as you said in your introduction, you are good to invite nato intervention and that's what they got. you know, so ever since then, you know, each year they buried what they, what they say are victims of genocide. but there's no independent verification of these bodies, or of their dna identification. nobody knows where these bodies really come from. and nobody knows the cause of their death. so this is just a narrative. that's part of this full western neo colonial policy. and just keeping the ball can subjugated out. having this aid go disarmed just like the russian and

learn now to just retain control over only this entire region. and what's the serbian government's official position on the events of for been? it's a and has that position been consistent over the years? yes it's been, it's been consistent in the sense that the serbian government has said that yes more crimes did happen in so it's a and those responsible should be punished. but kind of the serbian government does not recognize that there was a genocide committed. so, you know, that's been very consistent over the years. it's also the position of the government of the serbian entity in boston, just to go in a republic for some stuff. they have the same kind of attitude. they have the same kind of official position. the problem is in san diego, i mean with the muslim leadership in boston and their western sponsors, they insist on hat proclaiming what happens as genocide. as a result,

you know, there can be no real reconciliation in boston because of that staff. and also they refused to recognize all the, you know, old. well, over 3000 serb civilians were killed by muslim rating parties from 7072 in 1992 in 1995. so that's the biggest problem really well, to what extent do you think the west has been using controversies like this, among former nations of yugoslavia to promote its own interests in the region that's disturbing. it's as being abused, you know, they're, they're using acumen tragically to say mostly or cause themselves in order to come in as these great saviors of the regional day. as you said in your introduction, they used urban eats as a pretext to our bomb yugoslavia. in 1099, they said it was to prevent another strip any of from happening in kosovo. but you know, they've used, they've abused forever to need saw in other places as well. they've abused their,

you know, wherever they've case, claim they needed to engage in some kind of humanitarian intervention. you know, from the rock to syria, to libya. you know, we've, we've heard cries from the state department, all, we must prevent another sort of the needs of. so, you know, it's been very useful for them as a kind of intervention as tool not just in yugoslavia, but the world over serbian political analyst, alexander profits, thanks a lot for joining us on the program. thank you for having me. let's all for this our stick around for in another 30 minutes for more world news stories. oh, a

with hello and welcome to cross stock where all things considered. i'm peter lavelle. the collective west face is economic disaster, high debt escalating inflation, diminished competitiveness, and a very serious energy crisis. much of this, if not all of this have been self inflicted, but the worst crisis, the west spaces is the crisis of legitimacy and the failure of neil liberalism. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george m u l e. in budapest, he's a podcast, read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, and america recross 2 martin j. he's an award winning, journalist, and commentator,

or a gentleman crossed out rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want and i would appreciate it. right. start out with george in budapest. um, what do you think of my introduction? georgia now overdue, and m r m m m. i prone to hyperbole here. but again, that i stress all the right points that you did. it's a very succinct summary of where we are. i mean, when we think of legitimacy, and what do we really mean? we mean political ruling elites that can actually deliver what their voters in a democracy, in what you know, what they're populous generally once, which is peace, prosperity, and at the minimum security for food on the table and the protection from the elements. now the leaders of the west of signally failed to provide any of those things that they have got themselves involved unnecessarily in a war,

in which the west coast no discernable interests and, and they have done so full kind of bizarre, obscure, illogical reasons that they have failed to articulate when they talk about, but it's a new world order, the liberal world or the rules based, or they're not. it resonates with the voters because they are rightly don't understand what any of these terms mean. and so as we had towards staggering economic crisis, we're talking about written will soon have a inflation rate of 11 percent. germany 8 percent it where a few years ago, the idea of even one percent inflation from the germans. man, my god, hitler's on his way back and, and then the united states is clearly heading towards the stack patient. so it really is a question of why have the ruling in lease lead their countries into this disaster

disaster of their own choosing? was another natural disaster of their own choosing. marya but everything, the george said, it's completely obvious to all of us. but when we're asked, you know, how do you going to address these issues? and when we hear the response, we're going to back ukrainians as long as it takes, i mean, but that doesn't it, answer the question again. and it's really quite insulting, because decision makers, leadership in the west, they're there, they don't, they're not that they don't have to deal with the consequences of their own decision. i've always said, i doubt any of these leaders in europe in north america. have a clue would have a loaf of bread cause a loaf of bread, closer, or lease, or gasoline or, or even a pint of beer cause that's not really concerned. i'm not attached to that economy, but it's very disturbing. what you summarize about this mansion? we keep hearing from the west, the term ukraine must fight to the last man. you know, my god,

how incredibly paternalistic to these people think they are. that if, when you look at the actual human collateral, you know how much value does the west put on one ukraine life? i would say nothing really at all. it's almost the. busy there is and they're human rights who live been airbrushed now the whole equation. now george talks about, you know, well this is all heading and why we have got this from the western leaves, this new rationale on this new. we keep hearing about the so called reset button. you know, what is to reset button? i don't know what it is, you know is i, i don't think i know what it is, but i think what the western lease have been doing for very long time. certainly in my life time is making this transition from being power and the governing and touching problems head on to should not dealing with problems a tool, but simply make them look busy. as if to get this idea. there represent the interests of people who actually believe in, you know,

the new world order based on, on free speech, on libertarian. ready values on human rights, etc. all that, all that nonsense, which we've been presented to for so long as being the, the foundations of western democracy, which we ask is really the, isn't really the true true, true story. i think what's happening now to, to explain what george touched on is i think a certain sense of panic. panic is setting in the western english. they don't know where they're going. that terrified of debate, debate is like the age of, of the new environment. we don't want people actually talking, and this is why i'm horrified to get onto my laptop every morning and look at my twitter timeline and discover one more western jan. this being charged by the traditional systems as a particular lady and jeremy now who's report from us. she has faced a legal case in her absence and she's got this, this trial against. so we'll just reporting reporting the truth wasn't the least

don't really like the truth is as a commodity, they have control of the so called truth or seem truth to so wrong now. but i think a panic is set again, and i think that is linked to ukraine. i think the panic is very much, you know, that they need to be more and more creative to support the what i call the super release. you know, we keep looking at the lease, we tend to think of the leads of people like to about it all, or johnson or emmanuel micron, but they are really the puppets. really, this will dispose of the release, the real leads, people who control equities and the stock market's the banks, a major military industrial complex, and even hollywood, this is the really the real palace, the control people like to buy them and we've been living under this good sense for so long in the west particular america. that hayes. okay. and we have real democracy because we don't much of on we can vote him out. well, put him out repletion with, with whom, you know, another muffet wearing

a cheap suit representing those super lifts. so i think to answer the question and to talk to you about what churches, i think we're witnessing the state of panic from super kids now. and ukraine is part of the whole process of immature isn't ukraine. the deflection because of the panic that we've been, martin, is just talked about. i mean, they problems are easily recognized. but in when you live in their ideological bubble, they don't have any answers. they don't have any tools. ok, that's, that's the problem they have. and the problem is they only talk to themselves and what our problems are, they either don't recognize or could care less because our concerns are not their concerns and they are more. busy they were more important because they have the power, george. yes sir. well, there's no question of that. and then we can see this even in the coverage in the media of the downfall of forest johnson in which. 1 the media obsess,

you know, they devote hours and hours of coverage to all the gossip and trivia who said one and who you what about once and when, and none of it has any relevance. i mean, you just look at a, who cares when any, that way it will, britain facing 11 percent inflation when people are unable to afford the gas and electricity bills. and when you have essentially months, months of the month of negative growth, really, economy is stagnating. these are the issues that you know, are roiling burton and it's going to get even worse. we as, as we head into the windsor and it was a panic, is also sitting in is the rest of the world isn't buying what the west is selling. and you know, whether it's india or china, they aren't interested in any of this liberal media,

logical claptrap that blinking and by the level that the, some of the great struggle going on in the world when democracy or terrorism. there is no idea what lincoln is talking about. i have no idea to have, you know, the leaders of indian leaders of china think the national interest, you know, because they pose you, there, civilizational interest and russia does the same. they understand russia point of view, they understand what russia is doing, but they have no understanding of what exactly the west is doing. what, what exactly the west is seeking to achieve in ukraine. in fact, when we ask that question, what exactly is the west seeking to achieve a new credit? it's impossible to us that we're just going to go on, you know, whatever zelinski once we, you know, zalinski will get. and we're just going to keep fighting, and we're going to wait. we are trying to put the russians as much as possible.

well, with a view to want, i mean, really where, where does this go? since you have no hope of winning and you have no hope of bringing the russian economy to sneeze. so the west is engaged in a war that the rest of the world has no interest and doesn't understand what the west is doing. or is johnson was brought up because it got it correct me if i'm wrong, but he was headed to the conservative party. but in the last waning days of this agony of his premiership, he was talking about cops. it met masculinity and the glasgow coverage. it's like, but we need to be more feminine. what i think voters didn't expect that from a conservative leader. maybe i'm wrong. no because he, it was a bit old in the respect that he came from that classic conservative background. the elite of being eaten. not many people in britain, even know the johnson isn't really even english, these russian, greek,

turkish and french will rolled into one. so he's an old character, but he played up very much the lift. and i think that's because really, if you look at the winning blow of his last election, where he had almost a landside was, was the huge contingent of old labor voters voted for him. the cross that line, you know, because they wanted to get it done. the tories want to have the next time around the next election they want to play. but the story about joseph is really interesting. we're going to need to some because johnson is a product of the whole liters and sheen in the u. k. and the reason why he had to be pulled out the reason why there was just minor coup d'etat in england was because the conservative party realized he wasn't playing by the rules rules of keeping this pretense going, that we have a further democracy in the u. k. and that we really believe in freedom speech and human rights and an oldest, you know, he was going off the rails, he was going away from the plantation plantations, american say,

and panic. the conservators will, will, if you carry on doing that, it doesn't matter about the scandals that he problem. but if you carry on doing that, people will start realize that actually this isn't a functioning democracy anymore. and then there was a facade here, you know, where super leach in our country take the big decisions. and, you know, and i think a big part of george mentioned the, the, the unintended consequence of countries no longer buying a products that probably wasn't factored in to taking on russia in the u. k. you know, the fact that you have this acceleration now, the bricks, countries you have this amalgamation of russia, india, china, together looking to see how can we put around markets, you know, forget about the west. you know, let's look to forward. exciting, but i'm sure the super leads of these western countries didn't fact that in what they were thinking about. i think it was 2 fundamental things. first of all, how can we create a monumental distraction to all of our fil policies in the west?

you know, create a war somewhere that's a brilliant way of just hurting all your journalists, you know, taking them. all right. you said you have 2 points. if you said one, we're going to go to a quick break about that quick break. we'll get your number to ah ah ah. well, the magic cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah martin, get back to you and they're cashier, you mentioned your 1st point. what is your 2nd go ahead. the 2nd point is the seaward corruption. and corruption always plays a big role. i'm when they leave start to fail when they start to lose their grip on

countries that are controlling the super leads in western europe. i think our son to panic and i think they're starting to worry that they will not be able to support themselves in the longer term. how do you have you insure against that? you know, how do you back up your how do you create a backup plan? against that, you take 40 or $50000000000.00 on the table and you push it across the table to your buddy in an industrial miniature complex. you sent a you guys just take that, that should keep it going for promo. and by the way, there's more to come, you know, to, you know, you have these huge rounds which in european union and america about illegal state aid when it war comes. well, those say a lot of girl, the window you give as much money as you want to your own company. so i am, raphael lockheed martin. even worse, give huge sums of money to one of the most corrupt countries in the world, which before february 24th of this year, it was well known ukraine was

a very correctly i wanna change gears a little bit. george, it's very interesting to me. we had a number of contacts we had, you know, were brussels, you know, the use always in permanent, a meeting and we had the g 7. we had nato, but the most important meeting was the g 20, which the u. s. net a g 7. now, ice armor basically disrupted, it made it into a non event. they obstructed it for reasons that you and martin have already talked about here is that they want the, the g 7 element of the g 20. if i can put it that way, they want to make sure their agenda is pursued and everybody are saying, no, we're not on board. i mean, you don't want to solve the world's problems that you actually have created your sanctions, your secondary sanctions. we don't want to be part of that. we want to solve problems. we all know about growing of food insecurity. sanctions in secondary sanctions and again, obstruction, obstruction, obstruction,

i would pause and george the, the global south is no longer with number one, not interested in what the west asked to say, but more importantly, it doesn't fear it any more. go ahead, george. this is exce. excellent. point and it with so problems aspect of it is very interesting because as you say, the g 7 crowd, they attended and they wanted to make it all about russia and. ready not to come up with any kinds of solutions, which is what the hours said. okay, well let's, you know, here we all are. let's see if we can discuss this and come up with a, a plan to resolve this problem. no, no, no, we just want to make the symbolic gestures, which is that i will not meet sir kayla wrong. i will not shake his dirty hand and i will not close in a collective photograph afterwards and i will not take part in any joint communicate. so how does that solve the problem? how do we move forward from that?

and then i think is really beginning to define the difference between the west and the rest of the world because there as well does thing, okay. well, with, with set up these organizations or how do we try to resolve problems? and i think it really is something that do i really love wrong. emphasizes this all the time, which is when we set up these organizations, whether it breaks the shanghai cooperation, organizational the c s t o r or the, the, the, you're asian, the economic area we're doing with a view to solving problems. we don't do it in order to direct and again, someone else is right now we're all together. you know, let's see how much we can hate this out the other. but as far as the wizard does any, always ideologically driven, the they get together, the g 7 get together and nato, and the e. u. and all i do is to, you know, they shake their fist at either russia or china or anybody else who's not on board

with the other west agenda. so really, i mean, this is very more becoming a kind of an angry uncle. anyway, he's having to just ignore that. you know, what do they have to say to us? i was thinking, characterization get angry, uncle, but i think the west is the global care. it right now is like, oh, there they go. and they're going out the handle. you know, they're very rational, you know, don't talk, never say calm down because that makes them really more angry here. but it's very good martin, you know, i'm looking at in the, in the west. they don't give a whole lot of coverage because they're, you know, they're not up in front and center and they will be in 2008. the g 20, i would say, did play a positive role. least getting a global consensus to deal with the economic crisis that the time. but that's sort of the purposes of the west. economic crisis came out of the west. ok. and then you know, we have this situation meeting this year. the west doesn't want to participate in having global solutions, or maybe you don't like what's going on in ukraine,

but i think everybody is concerned. we don't want to have them in africa. i mean, i think in that shows a lot maturity coming from the west because it's ideologically possess. yeah, it's, i'd love to be possessed with his own narrative, which i think is fair to the fraud. you know, they're, they're, they're obsessed with having their own agenda and their own identity, their own role. but it's interesting and the role of africa could be critical in an end game in ukraine because what's gonna happen the next few weeks, a couple months. this is some of these are countries in africa are suffering, and the 1st person is going to turn to as an institution. they returned to europe in unit brussels, which has been bang on a drum for so long. now, you know, we can help you with trade and a, you could reform with human rights. there was a conference very recently in brussels with all the heads of african states. and the message from the africans were sick and tired of you preaching to us about human rights. you know what? we want much more european union. what's happening is the old relationships between the law is african countries. i'm the cleaning of masters is falling up. just

recently. last few days. the french pulled out the last troops from molly, which was an absolute catastrophe for macro, you know, to, to fly the, for a french flag. and molly, and to dish out the moral tutelage about human rights and fighting terrorism. when in reality, all that was bullshit, actually the french will protect big contracts for huge french multi nationals and to protect french citizens were working for them, the parenthesis to that was that the margins were hoping that we could get some kind of deal with the french whereby they would protect us if we have some civil political uprising now. the old deal with colonial powers will the unwritten g was what will help you with that, you know, for most of the sixties and seventies and eighties, but that's over now. you know, we can't do that anymore just as the, the saudis, and most of the state is discovered junior spring when they look to the americans. when they start to get worried about the disco insurgency. you know, that's why these companies are looking more and more to russia because we've lost

more. what's huge list that moral high ground, you know, in the west, we don't have that influence anymore. so, you know, the role of africans is going to be very interesting. if they decide they've had enough of this relationship, this nonsense and they turn to the former clean power sprint from to say you need to help us out. we need hundreds of millions of dollars now and food date and people in britain or from say, well actually that's quite difficult because we've got people here. actually solving lines of food banks are getting longer and longer gasoline is getting out of control in britain and people are actually leaving the jobs because they can't afford to drive to work. that is how crazy it is. you know, there is going to be a tipping point at a certain point where the europe is going to say to the africans, i'm sorry, we can't help when that happens. everything changes. because what, where did the african shove? they turn to russia. that's such an interesting point. georgia was already mentioned, or i think mark mentioned earlier, ok the fall of forest johnson. ok. in the british press, it was,

it was just kind of a national enquirer stuff, you know, who said what, who was at that party, which is, why should any of us care about it? he's gone now. joe biden is going to get us so shall, lacking in november in some, you know, there'll be a new speaker of the house in all these things here. but george and martin year things are not going to change. okay. and this is what the panic that i think martin quite happily is mentioned here because none of these people have any solutions to these problems. you know, you want to change people on a chessboard and things like that. but it's not fundamentally because neo liberalism is the problem in this political class. so i think the panic. is this going to continue and continue? because the status quo simply is not tenable. yes, a silly right. i mean, you have one of the leading candidates to take over from bars. johnson is richie soon act was a billionaire hedge fund manager investment banker. how well we know,

you know where what his agenda is. and we've seen the in the united states recently, we had mike from delivering an important address of the hudson institute, which is as belligerent, if not more belligerent than the biden administration. if, in fact, this is in visiting with russia and china at the same time. and so, and one bell is at the very least a candidate to be vice president. do you know whoever is the republican nominee? so we don't have a system in which some the new leader could emerge, the sale of what we're going completely wrong. i mean, look at germany and i all actual social democrats are doing. are there any dismal? ok, but the people who is number one, number 2 christian democrats and the greens, them all religions shortage. i mean then bad beef with shoals is that he's not doing enough for ukraine. and again,

we have the case of the united states. it's quite possible that donald trump will return to power in 2025, but trump will be in the same position as he was in 2017. i mean, if you really tries to affect some major change in u. s. foreign policy that, you know, the deep state or whatever you call it is going to come off. i mean, you know, they will, they've already got the plan in place as to what it will be that we some very, and he's working for, you know, he's, he's got a plan to destroy the west and whatever. we can be sure that there's a plan already in place to destroy him before he becomes president to be the 3rd impeachment trial. you know that? yes. know that. okay, absolutely. well, you know, you brought up democracy here. what i think, what i'm really quite pathetic because they like to mount the word democracy, but they don't want any real democracy to be in play because their priorities,

the average citizen has no idea as we point out in the spring, have no idea why you say this is important for me because it's not ok and they always can find the limit that the overton window as it were about what you can actually talk about. because if you're not talking about their priorities, then somehow and we've gotten to this in 2022, you're unpatriotic, you're a toady of someone, you're misinformation or federal martin go ahead. yeah, i agree. and not so the whole point about debating is it's, it's, it's any kind of any kind of debate. it's been shut down, good team and i used to get smidge, get sued, or taking the course. if you even want to look at new ideas and ask, you know, what's the bigger picture, it's worth. i think it's really worrying, but we've come to the stage. what worries me more is that some of these countries are going to include politically. we don't have a subway yet. you know, so many people learn. that's all the time we have here. i want to think,

my guess in budapest, america want to make our viewers are watching us here. see you next time. remember? ah, ah ah, russian gas is no longer flowing to germany through the north stream one pipeline due to the start of scheduled maintenance. that's a made a spiraling energy crisis in europe with officials blaming moscow instead of their own sanctions. also this our get another far addiction where americans and 777 houses will base. here you have a number of shows these a powder charge. this is all burned by almost direct impact to investigate hastily abandoned ukrainian army position where you estimate heavy weapons were apparently being.