ah ah ah hello and welcome to cross top where all things considered. i'm peter lavelle. the collective west face is economic disaster, high debt, escalating inflation, diminished competitiveness, and a very serious energy crisis. much of this, if not all of this have been self inflicted, but the worst crisis, the west spaces is the crisis of legitimacy and the failure of neal liberalism. ah,

to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel leon budapest. he's a podcast, read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, and the mirror cache recross to martin j. he's an award winning journalist, and commentator, or a gentleman crossed out rules. in fact, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it, right, start out with george in budapest. um. what do you think of my introduction, george in overdoing m r m m m i prone to hyperbole. here i get that i stress all the right points that you did there. it's a very succinct summary of where we are, and when we think of legitimacy, and what do we really mean? we mean political ruling elite that can actually deliver what their voters in a democracy or what you know, what their populace generally wants, which is peace, prosperity, and at the minimum security for food on the table and the protection from the

elements. now the leaders of the west of signally failed to provide any of those things that they got themselves involved unnecessarily in a war in which the west has no discernible interests and, and they have done so full kind of bizarre, obscure, illogical reasons that they have failed to articulate when they talk about, but it's a new world order, the liberal world, or the rules based on that. not only resonates with the voters because they are rightly don't understand what any of these terms means. and so as we had towards staggering economic crisis, we're talking about a written will soon have a inflation rate of 11 percent. germany 8 percent it where a few years ago, the idea of even one percent inflation from the germans. man, my god,

it was on his way back and, and the united states is clearly heading towards the speculation. so it really is a question of why have the ruling in lease lead their countries into this disaster disaster on their own choosing was another lateral disaster was of their own choosing marginal everything that george said, it's completely obvious to all of us. but when we're asked, you know, how do you going to address these issues? and we're, we hear the response. well, we're going to back ukrainians as long as it takes, i mean, but that doesn't answer the question again. and it's really quite insulting, because decision makers, leadership in the west, they're there, they don't, they're not that they don't have to deal with the consequences of their own decision. i've always said, i doubt any of these leaders in europe in north america. have a clue would have a local broadcast, margot, they don't know, laverne krause or lisa gasoline or,

or even the panoramic cost that's not really concerned. they're not attached to that economy, but it's very disturbing. what you summarize about this mansion we keep hearing from the west, the term ukraine must fight to the last man. you know, my god. how incredibly paternalistic who do these people think they are, that, that if, when you look at the actual human collateral, you know how much value does the west put on one ukraine life will say nothing 1000000 to. it's almost as though their ideas and their human rights completely been airbrushed. now, the whole equation. now george talks about, you know, well this is all heading and why we have got this from the western leaves, this new rationale on this new. we keep hearing about the so called reset button. you know, what is to reset button? i don't know what it is, you know is i, i don't think i know what it is, but i think what the western lives have been doing for very long time. certainly in

my life time is making this transition from being on the governing. i'm touching problems, head on to actually not dealing with problems, a tool, but simply make themselves look busy. as if to get this idea. they represent the interests of people who actually believe in, you know, the new world order based on the, on free speech, on libertarian values on human rights, except for all that nonsense, which we've been presented to for so long as being the, the foundations of western democracy which we ask is really the isn't really the true true, true story. i think what's happening now to, to explain what george touched on is i think a certain sense of panic. panic is setting in the western leash. they don't know where they're going. that terrified of debate, debate, it's like the age of the new environment. you know, we don't want people actually talking and this is why i'm horrified to get onto my laptop every morning and look at my twitter timeline and discover one more western

jan. this being charged by the judiciary systems as a particular lady in germany. now he's report to us. she has faced the legal case in an absence and she's got, this is trial against for just reporting reporting. the truth wasn't least, don't really like the truth as, as commodity. they've control the so called truth or perceived truth so wrong. now, i think a panic is set again and i think that is linked to ukraine. i think the panic is very much, you know, that they need to be more and more creative to support the what i call the super release. you know, we keep looking at the lease. we tend to think of the leads of people liked about it, or johnson or emmanuel macros, but they're really the pump is really the sort of spokesperson of the release. the real leads, people who control equities and start markets, the banks major military, industrial complex, and even hollywood. this is really this real palace,

the control people let your bud and we've been living under this pretence for so long in the west particular in america that i use. okay. we have real democracy because we don't let your body becomes a gym out. well, let him out and replace him with with was with whom, you know, another muffet wearing a cheap suit representing those beliefs. so i think to answer the question and to talk to you about what georgia i think we're witnessing the state of panic, super lifts. now and ukraine is part of the whole process of immature is ukraine, the deflection because of the panic it martin has just talked about. i mean, they problems are easily recognized. but in when you live in their ideological bubble, they don't have any answers. they don't have any tools. ok that's, that's the problem they have. and the problem is they only talk to themselves and what our problems are. they either don't recognize or could care less because our concerns are not their concerns. and they are. busy more they were more important

because they have the power george. yes. so there's no question of that. and then we can see this even in the coverage in the media of the downfall of bars. johnston in which the media obsess. you know, the devote hours and hours of coverage to all the gossip and trivia who said woman, who knew what about want and when, and none of it has any relevance. i mean, you just look at the one who can run any that way. it will britain facing 11 percent inflation when people are unable to afford the gas and electricity bills. and when you have essentially months, months of the month of negative growth economy is stagnating. these are the issues that are roiling out. and it's going to get even worse, we as,

as we head into the winter and it was a panic, is also sitting in is that the rest of the world isn't buying what the west is selling. and you know, whether it's india or china, they aren't interested in any of this liberal, illogical claptrap that blinking and by the little hole that the great struggle going on in the world when democracy in return isn't that? no, i didn't want. lincoln is talking about it, i have no idea. i was with the leaders of indian leaders of china. they pursue the national interest. you know, because they pose you, there, civilizational interest and russia, that's the same. they understand russia's point of view. they understand what russia is doing, but they have no understanding of what exactly the west is doing, what, what exactly the west is seeking to achieve in ukraine. in fact, when we asked that question, what exactly is the west seeking to achieve

a new credit? it's impossible to us if we're just, we're, we're just going to go on, you know, whatever lensky ones we, you know, zalinski will get. and we're just going to keep fighting. and we're going to wait. we are trying to put the russians as much as possible. well, with a view to want, i mean, where, where does this go? since you have no hope of winning and you have no hope of bringing the russian economy to sneeze. so the west is engaged in a war that the rest of the world has no interest and doesn't understand what the west is doing. a forest johnson was brought up because it good, correct me if i'm wrong, but he was headed to the conservative party. but in the last waning days of this agony of his premiership, he was talking about cox. it met masculinity and the glasgow comp time, but we need to be more feminine. what i think voters didn't expect that from

a conservative leader. maybe i'm wrong. no. because he was all in respect of, he came from that classic conservative background liter, some of being an eton, not many people in britain, even know that johnson and isn't really even english. he's russian greek, turkish and french rolled into one. so he's an old character but he played up very much the lift and i think that's because really if you look at the, the winning blow of his last election, where he had almost landslide was, was the huge contingent of old labor voters. the voted for him, the cross that line, you know, because they want to get breaks it, done. the tories one how the next time around the next election. they won't have that back is to play. but the story about johnson's really interesting for going to talk about it is because johnson is a product of the whole elite ism sheman, the u. k. and the reason why he had to be pulled out when the reason why there was this minor, could deter in england,

was because the conservative party realize he wasn't playing by the rules. the rules of keeping his pretense going that we have irma fervent democracy in the u. k . and that we believe in freedom speech and human rights. and all this, you know, he was going off the rails, he was going away from the plantation of the plantations. american say, and the panic, the conservatives were, well if you carry on doing that, it doesn't matter about the scandals that you keep on. but if you carry on doing that, people will start to realize. but actually this isn't a functioning democracy anymore. and then there is a facade here, you know, where super late in our country say, the big decisions. and, you know, and i think a big part of, you know, george mentioned, and the, the, the, the unintended consequence of countries no longer buying a product that probably wasn't factored in to taking on russia in the u. k. you know, the fact that you have this acceleration now of bricks, countries you have this amalgamation of russia, india, china together,

or looking to see how can we been around markets? no, forget about the west. you know, let's look to forward. that's really exciting, but i'm sure the super elite of these western countries didn't factor that in what they were thinking about. i think it were 2 fundamental things. first of all, how can we create a monumental distraction to all of our field policies in the west? you know, create a war somewhere that's a brilliant way of just hurting all your journalists, you know, taking them. all right. you said you have 2 points here. you said one. we're going to go to a quick break about their corporate. we're going to get your number 230. ah, i was just, i wanted to with this

with you, i guess with you, i am with full credit. it's going to be out of wood from beach, but still easier that efficient. but in the board

with a when it comes with russian relations and best friends. and i believe on and to team by literal, literally ship is very good to, to the extent that if most leaders are out of office, we can, you know, that's a picture. same level of engagement on with a welcome to cross stock where all things are considered.

i'm peter labelle. this is the home edition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah martin, get back to you america. sure. you mentioned your 1st point. what is your 2nd go ahead. the 2nd point is the seaward corruption. and corruption always plays a big role. i'm, when they leave start to fail when they start to lose their grip on the countries that are controlling the super leads in western europe. i think our son to panic and i think they're starting to worry that they will not be able to support themselves in the longer term. how do you have you insure against that? you know, how do you back up your, how do you create backup plan against that? you take 40 or $50000000000.00 on the table and you push it across the table to your buddy isn't an industrial miniature complex. you sent a you guys just take that, that should keep it going for promo. and by the way, it is more to come, you know, to, you know,

you have these huge rounds which in european union and america about illegal state aid. the when it war comes, well there's slay a last girl window. you give as much money as you want to your own company. so i am, raphael lockheed martin. even worse, give huge sums of money to $1.00 of the most corrupt countries in the world, which before february 24th of this year, it was well known ukraine was a victory correctly. i want to change gears a little bit. george, it's very interesting to me. we had a number of contacts we had, you know, were brussels, you know, the use always and permanent, a meeting. and we had the g 7 that we had nato. but the most important meeting was the g 20, which the u. s. and it's a g 7 now ice armor basically disrupted and made it into a non event. they obstructed it for reasons that you and martin of already talked about here is that they want the,

the g 7 element of the g 20. if i can put it that way, they want to make sure their agenda is pursued and everybody are saying, no, we're not on board. i mean, you don't want to solve the world's problems that you actually have created your sanctions, your secondary sanctions. we don't want to be part of that. we want to solve problems. we all know about growing of food insecurity, sanctions and secondary sanctions. and again, obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, i would pause and george the, the global south is no longer with number one, not interested in what the west asked to say, but more importantly, it doesn't fear it anymore. go ahead, george. this is ex excellent points and with so problems aspect of it is very interesting because as you say, the g 7 crowd, they attended and they wanted to make it all about russia and. ready not to come up with any kinds of solutions, which is what the others said. okay,

well let's you know, here we all are. 1 let's see if we can discuss this and come up with a plan to resolve this problem. no, no, no. we just want to make the symbolic gestures, which is that i will not meet sir kayla wrong. i will not shake his dirty hand and i will not pose in a collective photograph afterwards, and i will not take part in any joint communicate. so how does that solve the problem? how do we move forward from that? and then i think is really beginning to define the difference between the west and the rest of the world because the rest does thing. ok, well we've, we've set up these organizations and how do we try to resolve problems? and i think there really is something to do. i really love wrong emphasizes this all the time, which is when we set up these organizations, whether it breaks the shanghai cooperation, organizational the c, s t o r or the, the, the eurasian, the economic area we're doing with

a view to solving problems. we don't do it in order to direct and again, someone else say right now we're all together. you know, let's see how much we can hate the other. but as well as the whizzes as any always ideologically driven, they, they get together, the g 7 get together, and nato, and the e. u. and all i do is to shake their fist at either russia or china, or anyone else who's not on board with the other west agenda. so really, i mean, this is more becoming a kind of an angry uncle. anyway, he's having to just ignore that. you know, what do they have to say to us? i was thinking with angry uncle, but i think the west is the global care. it right now is like, oh, there they go. and they're going out the handle, you know, they're very rational. you know, don't talk, never say calm down because that makes them really more angry here. but it's very to martin, you know, i'm looking at in the west. they don't give a whole lot of coverage because they're, you know, they're not up in front and center. and they will be in 2008. the g 20,

i would say, did play a positive role. least getting a global consensus to deal with the economic crisis at the time. but that's sort of the purposes of the west. economic crisis came out of the west. ok. and then you know, we have this situation meeting this year and the west doesn't want to participate in having global solutions get maybe you don't like what's going on in ukraine, but i think everybody is concerned. we don't want to have famine in africa. i mean, i think it shows the lock maturity coming from the west because it's ideologically possess. yeah, it's, i'd love to be possessed with his own narrative, which i think is straight to the fraud. you know, they're, they're, they're obsessed with having their own agenda and their own identity, their own role. but it's interesting and the role of africa could be critical in an end game in ukraine because what's gonna happen the next few weeks, a couple of months. this is some of these are countries in africa, northeast are suffering. and the 1st person they're going to turn to the

institutional level centers, european union, brussels, which has been bang on a trauma so long now. you know, we can help you with trade and a, you can reform with human rights. there was a conference very recently in brussels with all the heads of african states. and the message from the africans were, are sick and tired of you preaching to us about human rights. you know what, we want much more european union. what's happening is the old relationships between the law is african countries and the cleaning of masters is falling up. just recently, last few days, the french pulled out their last troops promoted, which was an absolute catastrophe for macro, you know, to, to fly the, for the french flag and molly, and to dish out the moral tutelage about human rights and fighting terrorism. when in reality, all that was bullshit, actually the french will protect so big contracts for huge french multi nationals and to protect french citizens are working for them, the parenthesis to that was the money. and we're hoping that we could get some kind of deal with the french, whereby they would protect us if we had some civil political uprising now. the old

deal with colonial powers. well, the unwritten deal was, well, we'll help you with that. you know, for most of the sixties and seventies and eighties, but that's over now. you know, we can't do that anymore just as the, the saudis and most of the state is discover junior spring when they look to the americans. when they start to get worried about political incentives, see, you know, that's why he's come to looking more and more to russia because we've lost more was huge list that moral high ground, you know, in the west we don't out that influences more so you know, the role of africans is going to be very interesting if they decide they've had enough of this relationship, this nonsense. and they turn to the former clean power. it's brittany from to say, you need to help us out. we need hundreds of millions of dollars now and food date and people in britain or from say, well actually that's quite difficult because we've got people here. actually solving lines of food banks are getting longer and longer. gasoline is getting out of control in britain. people are actually leaving the jobs because they can't

afford to drive to work. that is how crazy it is. you know, there is going to be a tipping point at a certain point where the entropy is going to say to the africans, i'm sorry, we can't help when that happens. everything changes. because what, where to the african son, they turn to russia. that's such an interesting point. george air is already mentioned, or i think mark mentioned earlier, ok the fall of of forest johnson. ok. i'm in the british press. it was, it was just kind of a national enquirer stuff, you know, who said was, who was at that party, which is, why should any of us care about it? he's gone now. joe biden is going to get us so shall, lacking in november in some, you know, there'll be a new speaker of the house in all these things here. but george and martin here, things are not coy, he did change. okay. and this is what the panic that i think martin will quite happily is mentioned here because none of these people have any solutions to these problems. you know, you want to change people on a chess board and things like that. but it's not fundamentally because neo

liberalism is the problem in this political class. so i think the panic. is this going to continue and continue? because the status quo simply is not tenable. yes, a silly right. i mean, you have one of the leading candidates to take over from bars. johnson is re, she's soon act a billionaire hedge fund manager investment banker. how well we know, you know where what his agenda is. and we've seen the in the united states recently, we had mike from delivering an important address of the hudson institute in which is as belligerent, if not more belligerent than the biden administration. if, in fact, is in visiting war with russia and china at the same time. and so, and one bell is at the very least a candidate to be vice president. do you know whoever is the republican nominee?

so we don't have a system in which some new leader could emerge. the sale of, we're going completely wrong. i mean, look at germany and i all, i've sold, the social democrats are doing or any dismal. ok. but the people whose number one, number 2 christian democrats and the greens, them all religion shortens. i mean then bad beef with shoals is that he's not doing enough for ukraine. and again, we have the, the case of the united states. it's quite possible that donald trump will return to power in 2025, but truck will be in the same position as he was in 2017. i mean, if you really tries to affect some major change in u. s. foreign policy. that you know, the deep state or whatever you call it is going to come off. i mean, you know, they will, they've already got the plan in place as to what it will be that we some very, and he's working for, you know, he's, he's got

a plan to destroy the west and whatever. we can be sure that there's a plan already in place to destroy him before he becomes president to be the 3rd impeachment trial. you know that? yes. know that. okay, absolutely. you know, you brought up democracy here. what i've it, what i'm really quite pathetic is they like to mount the word democracy. but they don't want any real democracy to be in play because their priorities, the average citizen has no idea as we point out in the spring, have no idea why you say this is important for me because it's not ok. and they always can find the limit that the overton window is that we're about what you can actually talk about. because if you're not talking about their priorities, then somehow and we've gotten to this in 2022, you're unpatriotic. you're a toady of someone you're misinformation. or if i wrote martin, go ahead. yeah, i agree or not. so the whole point about debating is it's, it's, it's any kind of any kind of debate. it's been shut down,

good team and i used to get smidge, get sued, or taking the course if you even want to look at new ideas and ask, you know, what's the bigger picture? it's worrying. i think it's really worrying that we've come to the stage. what worries me more is that some of these countries are going to include politically. we don't have a subway yet. you know, so many people learn. that's all the time we have here. i want to think, my guess in budapest, america want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are the see you next time? remember? ah, a

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