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[000:00:00;00] ah, the ah ah hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered? i'm peter lavelle. the u. s. foreign policy had joseph burrell laments the west has failed to win the battle of narratives when it comes to ukraine. well, that's not the only battle of narratives. the west is losing. the entire neo liberal project is being called into question. it's legitimacy, quickly eroding,
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ah, cross sucking crisis of legitimacy. i'm joined by my guess, arthur clear o in toronto. he's a liberty advocate and a freelance editor in ossining, we have down to bar, he is a political commentator and analyst and obey route we cross tomorrow. osman she is a university lecture and a political commentator or a cross accruals. and the fact that means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciate it's going to be rude. first. i marveled at the blog the barrel likes to write every single day about his travails and foreign policy representing the e. u. and he lamented that the, you know, their narrative on ukraine, they can't get the global south on board. what's wrong with these people? and it is, it's really taught quite amazing how he is a prisoner of his own ideology and in the same applies to western elite. i mean the, the, the, the fort, the there former colonies won't get on board. and it's really truly extraordinary
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how out of touch these people are going to talk about domestic issues in the west. but i'm, i want to start out with foreign policy. why can't you people get on board with your old colonial masters? go ahead in big route. well, we are being bummed with the same weapons that they are sending to ukraine for its freedom and democracy based. they tried foreign policy of so called freedom on democracy is basically the foreign policy of hijacking resources from the global south of his since they took over from great britain ever since we moved on from being colonized by britain to colonized by the french and then colonized by and then i states of america so been bombed by them, sanctioned by them. they've been helping everyone. and anyone who can basically put a hand on us and may be a, steal our resources and prevent us from having a say and self determination in our own countries in the global south. so why should we trust their propaganda and their media machine against russia? when we have seen since 2014, how don bos, howell, the one sent, and i,
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and they did the rest of the eastern part of ukraine being bombed into oblivion. and children's being killed. families being torn apart by the same western machine that killed us before and colonized thus before. why should we believe them? i pretty much believe that their campaign has failed and there a contempt against the global south is funny, and at is it, is it? it's also to be honest with you, some sort of a, a project does against us, holds them in an exceptional or a self implemented exceptional position, which is the use of usual, maybe you less and, and western exceptionalism and hierarchy that they believe they have over the rest of the world, especially the global south, and we should just follow suit. i don't think that's the case and it will the south . we already have our own problems. but at the same time, we are very well aware that this campaign will not stop at ukraine or russia. it will move on. it will touch us again, but the sign will be well ready and prepared for it. yeah,
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basically the same question here. arthur, in toronto, i mean they do the at the g 20 well, which of the g 7 countries in the g? 20. what hijacked it and basically a paralyzed the torpedoed it's proceedings and saying, you know, they have to talk about ukraine sovereignty. but you know, they don't want to respect the sovereignty. the global south. i mean they have sovereign decisions to make her foreign policy. but they're saying no, you cannot do that. i mean, it's just rank epoxy and they can't even see it go ahead. arthur in toronto. well, it's a concept that some people have term, the vision of the in which it, right. they have this idea of where things should be and i know we've discussed this before on the show as well. and so disconnected from even their own populations that you have people here in the west who are waking up every single day and wondering what's going on because they're having the same exact, almost exact same policies directed towards them as well as top down kind of tyrannical. if you do this or else way of approaching policy. yeah. you know,
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done in the, in the same vein here. i mean, in browse famous blog. i mean i, i hear he can speak 5 languages, but every time i hear him speak, it's gibberish. he's blaming on russia for all of the, the problems with of food insecurity. but it's the sanctions, but he's a paragraph. have it. but it's not the same. it's not the same. it is, but it is the sanctions. why you talking about it so much? if it isn't western sanctions, i mean the sanction secondary sanctions, nobody was, you know, used to be the enemy was the department of defense. it's the u. s. department of treasury. it's the true enemy right now. so you know, why should anybody touch this? nobody wants to be punished for it. ok. and what did it end? because of this process here, people going to flee the dollars are going to flee all of this new trade relations . they, they, they don't need to put up with this nonsense, this lecturing from the g 7 within the g 20 go ahead. done. first of all to just get
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a little framing with reality around that issue. last year and $9000000.00 plus people died of starvation in the world. the year before, $9000000.00 plus people died of starvation in the world, the year before, et cetera, et cetera. largely, this is the result of u. s. foreign policy had nothing to do with russia. vladimir putin, a little ferry, thus the angels fly round or, or anything else. are this as a result of the united states, in essence, sucking the resources out of much of the world at gun points. if you take a look at germany, it's still occupied by the united states militarily. japan. ok? now we're still occupied korea still occupied under the original japanese occupation around the world. you have this, you have, it is a new occupation of africa, of the product of barack obama. joe biden has no re clinton with african south tom in latin america. and by the way, in terms of sovereignty, i don't know how blake and can utter these words,
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what's the monroe doctrine as he repudiating that? i think if i could well it, arthur, you know, the, the whole issue of sovereignty in the, in the rules based or did it just as an aside, you know, what rules based order means i'm, i almost every single program i have i, i do this really quick quiz. what is the rules based order? because i can't find any coherent definition for it. arthur, do you have one? i don't, i don't have one. i love to hear one. i'm are willing to sense what will go wrong make you know what the rules base order is. i think it's the cia guidelines that they put for, for all the colonies that they think that they run and were supposed to just abide by them and say yes master. yes, but this is not happening any time soon. i mean the u. s. has been going on for 7 illegal wars all across the world since 2011 and no one has said anything about it . they've been bombing them and they have clicks on it, put on the ground in syria and the eastern part of the freight,
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us looting syrian what we are looking mar what mara, toil just to get real quick, quick check here. i mean, in saudi arabia's attacking one of the poorest countries world. that's where the, where the any sanctions i, if there were, i didn't hear about it. he gave them the highest position in the human rights council. they are audacious that no self respect, nor dignity. while they were bombing weddings and funeral processions in some art and elsewhere in yemen, the 2nd m of stutter india was given on it silver. later, you highest a position in human rights council. what human rights have they figured out lately that they have killed more than $52.00 under aged personnel who they are rested with, with their in, within the age of 9 years old to 15 years old. they stayed more than 10 years in prison and then they were executed for no reason other than having a political voice. other than that incremental genocide in yemen,
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killing people without any a self defense, people having bomb school on their hats, bombing the same areas more than 15 times in less than 2 a year. it's crazy and i know what people know, nothing about it. how the, i'll tell you how they're going to be rewarded because by the ministration is going to drop any kind of arms embargo against study, right? that's their reward here. don, i don't want to leave you out in the cold here rules vase order because when blake and says that i always ask for a translator because i don't know what he's talking about. done. the rules are based on our orders. that's what it means. i've never had such shorthand this for a blanket affair or i will go back to the arthur. i mean, one of the things i would posit isn't the global south, not only do they not respect the west anymore because of its ridiculous ideological pronouncements, but they're not afraid of the west anymore. this is a tipping point. go ahead in toronto and there are a few reasons for that. one of them is that the west has spent the last decade or so undermining itself to itself. yeah. that can help anyone spacing it much less. i mean, not, not its own people,
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not the people they're trying to impress around the world of the west has an issue of not creating win win situations where the people they work with. that's all, that's always me come back and buy and then secondly, they have this hubris under which they act where they, they find that agenda that they feel is important and they pushed towards it, almost blind to any other option, option or, or anything out there. and on the way towards the sorts of things now it seems to be the climate crisis thing, whether it's crane climate, whatever it is. all of these things are important. really destructive policies that are causing food shortages around the world or causing prices to rise over here in the last big problems in a day in town, you know, when in it one of the things in the g 7 met before the g 20. and i've always done a very curious that the, the problems that they want to discuss and solve come from the g 7 itself. ok,
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that is the thing that, you know, no one wants to point that out. it's an inconvenient truth, but it's really true. go ahead, done. it is true. take a look at once a small slice that actually is kind of fundamental to the economies in general. and that is the price of petrol in west right now. it's clear with the removal of russian oil and gas from the markets here that the entire western economy has been subsidized by russia for quite some time since that condition came into being because the removal of that subsidy has created a serious problem for every market that rests on top of it and the fundamental one itself. so what we're looking at here, i mean, of adolph hitler, 924 and his little jail house, home writing about the pathway to empire for germany. you know, was a ruminating over the fact that all the other colonies had been taken in the place
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to germany needed for raw materials. and the slave labor force was the soviet union particularly rushed. and the plan was to incite internal ethnic differences, whatever contradictions they could find, to excite them, incite warfare inside, basically a split it up into multiple well done. i have to jump in and we have to go to a break here, but it's amazing how bad ideas have an echo through history. in 2022 or i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break will, can you in your discussion on the crisis of legitimacy, stay with our team. ah ah ah ah
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ah ah ah ah, ah, i do you mind shooting me eyes and then who's scared to let me look on your bill says that it did not fit them but sat and what's the other one 0 order. what is the minimum stokeland on?
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if you wanna propose which your constitution dishonest so on, you'd use the williams. sure. it's in units. minnows are 9000, but i'm not sure about this person, but most people are meaningless to pursue. miss eleanor green sprinklers clung bowlers within a certain length of ocean. you wings, me check litzy valencia reason joining your call now to bison. with them we did say a storage form which non carsuella obtained the bumps gram should it should say ah ah, welcome back to cross hock, where all things are considered on peter level. to remind you we're discussing the
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crisis of legitimacy. ah, we can go back to beirut mara, one of the things i find really disturbing and really quite dangerous in our times is that these global leads, primarily the western elites here. they feel that they still have the right to decide the, the global agenda. now it, you know, their portion of the economy is freight shrinking with every passing year with being the most the most important growth areas are in the east in the global south right now. but they still, you know, they're at the adult table and everybody else is at the children's table. and that's turning into a real problem here because what we see now and in ukraine has put a focus on it. but in a well now we're seeing is we're seeing um huge populations in the world saying, no, no, we're not going to do it that way anymore. the problem with that is, is it the, the west with its ideology because i believe they are so masonic, and then their belief in themselves. they can be very dangerous. as i'm one of my
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guest side of my program recently. they're in panic mode. you don't trust people that are panicking? go ahead. marla. yes, and specially that are countries are suffering as it is from either financial crisis or economic crisis or what not. but what struck astronomy any, it was treated striking to me. oh, it happened less than a week ago when i read the transcript of my campaign with a former secretary of state and most probably than the upcoming, a presidential candidate. and, and the us, when his speech at huston at the, at the hudson institute, where he called it the global alliance were freedom and said that we should be defending 3 lighthouses of liberty. and these 3 lighthouses are none other than ukraine. israel anti one. they are still building grounds for attack and aggression against both russia and the global south added to that china. so are they are building grounds for a very, very serious world war 3 that will, we have never seen something like this because it's not only with weapons, it's with the economy and it's with cyber attacks as well. so what we are looking
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upon is people who are not only cut out from reality on the ground, especially in the global south end with the problems that we have in the global sound. they are still adamant on going forth with whatever evil aggressive land that they have for us in the upcoming and couple of years less than 10 years at a time. so i think that they are just basically crumbling one piece at a time. but this plan, if they put it into actual implementation, it will definitely be the last rest for the empire and it's western allies anywhere to work, not only in the global south. well, if the past is any kind of preface for the future morrow they're going to fail because he can think of that success for a very long time ago. and depending on how we define it or arthur or, you know, we could focus in a little bit on domestic politics or in canada, in north america, in general. what i found really remarkable in looking at public opinion polls when you asked the lead, what's important to them, you know,
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i woke isn't the environment, climate change, and i, which i'm, i'm not getting completely dismiss all of them out of hand. but if you ask average people, they have a totally different list of things that are, they're interested in the lead. want to drive something, you know, it's like, you know, you know, get an electric car. well, you know, what, if you're a wait, you know, an hourly wage earner. i mean, what is an electric car costs like $6080000.00? i mean, they, these people don't know what the price of a, of a leader of gasoline is. they don't know what the price of bread is and, but they're the ones to decide what the agenda is and i, and, and, you know, when we look, when you have inflation, that's the one thing that everybody feels, even if you're rich, because actually inflation is a really good for rich people because you can pay your debt, caesar. yeah, that's how they know inflation is there, but it's a good thing for them for the rest of it. us. it's awful. go ahead, arthur. yeah, well it's funny cuz it's like you said, there's this, there's
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a crisis where the urgent know is, is wonderful for them. it's almost the worst thing possible for everyone else where where else it's high prices, food, high prices for gas high prices for, for property, for everything. and this has been going on for about 20 years. it's not a our, yet. it's not a new thing, although it has escalated by leaps and bounds in the last 2. and that again goes back to their, their policy making ability and their decision making, which again is very ideologically possessed. it's, it's almost like a new form of life sank hoisin, where it's like, i have this, this, this ideology, this needs to be implemented everywhere. and no matter what the consequences come to the good and if you don't think it's good or if it hurts you well that sucks you keep your mouth shut because it's going to be good regardless. don't that mccleary, but they done that dovetails very well. i'm really glad that arthur said that because that really dovetail into this cancelled culture thing. i mean the 1st of
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all these leads push policies that do not negatively impact them in negative impacts us. and if you complain about it, then you get cancelled for it. ok, i mean, not only do these people not believe in democracy do not believe in freedom of speech. ok, and this is what makes them very dangerous and it's turned them, i think this neoliberalism into a dangerous cult. done, you know, gives the lie. the idea that you can reform the system, 1st of where you go look at the tax rate for eisenhower period. you know, from f d r a, down to j f k, a number of markers you how many union members there were wages, you know, against the total economy, et cetera. how much had been won. but power wasn't take it. power remained in the hands of the people who hold it now in essence. and as soon as they decided now, we don't want that any more was gone on. the problem now with we're looking at it immediately is 40 or 45 or 50 years was therapy program,
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really ronald reagan. so 42 years at least, and a quarter before that, the catastrophe of that economy. you know, we've seen people rising up 1st in seattle and 1999 and then in 2011 with the occupy wall street. and then in the 2016 election with the rise of both trump and bernie sanders. you know, these were all marked also with polling data that showed a loss legitimacy of the institutional structure of the, of this country. and consequently, since, you know, much of the rest of the west rests upon this structure here of those, the entire empire. and we saw that with brags it, and there's a movement for friends in the yellow vest across europe. and also in japan and korea, that there's a deep dissatisfaction with the existing situation. and rather than try to address the needs and do something in a keynesian fashion or some other way of buying some piece, they think that with censorship and with more and more aggressive social,
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which is castle culture and even a military activity, for example, ukraine, that they can force a continuing increase of resources into their hands against the compliant population and it's not going to work. it explodes every time has been tried in human history. you know, morrow and the thank you. we couldn't agree more because you have been going to have the same thing that, that your guest was saying, look at lebanon, and now the dispute between lebanon in israel, over our territorial waters, and our gas and oil in kat, each offshore oil field where the americans are supposedly the mediators between us and our zionist enemy, and they wanted to rip us off from the resources that could and was probably will, and the financial crisis and lebanon. look what they did to libya by taking out gadhafi the moment he suggested that there will be an african union. it's something that similar to united states of africa, they took him out because of all the gold that he has because of the all the,
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all the oil, libya has look at syria. they began all this global war against 0, bringing 82 countries for some sort of a global coalition against vash, which they created. and they are still funding specially in unbar province now in iraq. look what they did to syria. and now when everyone is in crumbles economically, they cannot continue imposing their foreign policy on us because we have nothing else to lose. we have lost everything, went by them, is coming to the region any as a plan to promote what heat at a things mess. so which is the middle east alliance which at the middle east strategic alliance led by israel in a world that is now turning around against the u. s. and israel itself because of all the atrocities it's committing in palestine. and it's attempt to steal our war resources, other water from jordan oil from syria, and oil and gas from them and on. it's not working or it's their own benefit right now. and we, the people have nothing else to lose. and we will stand by this and we will not allow them to keep on stealing our lifeline. yes, here,
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but more way it's all for it's all for democracy. remember that? don't forget, it's all about democracy, but that's what that's it. and that's why i think i, that's one of the signing by a believe that we have democracy. so you're here in the shambles. country of lebanon, more than the u. s. will ever have on its slanting, you know, arthur, you know, it's a free issue that we have already brought up here. but one of the big don gave us a good timeline about how things have changed. power relation wise. but it's the media is one of the most disgraceful institutions that we have right now. the program you're on right now with completely deleted from youtube. ok. no reason given. i don't know why. i don't know what rules. ok. their rules based order. but this is the, it's the sphere of media that there are so terrified because they talk about misinformation. but really what they're afraid of arthur is information they're in the right of people giving others information. go ahead. well,
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that's because if you have the accurate information you need, if you have the whole picture, you're going to make the right decision regardless. and the only way you can hurt people into supporting bad decisions is by picking and choosing and giving out of context information are just not allowing the for the full range to be to be shown . this is the complaint so many have here in canada when archie was, was banned here. and really what we see, there's a, there's a candidate for, for conservative party leaders here in canada who came from the former soviet union . and he's explicitly called canadian media new prouder. he's just, it's, and this is the case kind of across the west where you have these agendas pushed and the media just runs interference for, for power. essentially, they are basically tools the power down. same question to you about media, go ahead one minute left. well, last 2 weeks ago now, i guess i had an immediate experience with the state department, the in the c a c,
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e, the commercial and security corporation in europe. where the discussion centered are sponsored by the state departments, the so called de colonization of russia. i saw that i saw that there was the russian federation is actually not a nation state, but rather a collection of occupied countries that need to be liberated. this is the u. s. or a government policy and we just approve the same thing about you wednesday. we've got martin. go ahead. jump in real quick. good. go ahead. marla. i could say the same thing about the u. s. army got a level of, of incompetence and ignorance, that the media and the west is stooping to his unprecedented. i mean, he had called me, you, ron, you affiliated commune. i affiliated media and i knew being except talk about them is that they bring out, i just bring up the light. what happens on the ground in my region i'm than i witnessed for it. and they still labeled me as someone who was affiliated to rod or how can we get to the center. oh,
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those are called all of us are called names. we're, we're all called names because we speak the truth. that's the problem here. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests in toronto, are selling and in bay road. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r t c, you next time. remember cross top roles. ah ah, need to come to the russian state. little narrative. i've stivers, i'm phoning north lansky davis, michigan american house southland i mean we could be in the fifty's that will be speedo. cancel 9 is 25 and speed you want to call about this even with we will van in the european union,
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the kremlin jeff machine, the state aunt, rush up to date and support r t spoke next. even our video agency, roughly all planned on youtube with common question, did you think it was with oh, during the 2nd world war in nazi occupied poland valencia was a farming region. today. it's part of ukraine. between 19431945 members of the ukrainian insurgent army led by step on bendara. nasa could thousands of polls and valeria in a diabolical ethnic cleansing process. the mergers were particularly horrific and brutal villages were burned and property looted. valinda masika is without doubt
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one of the bloodiest episodes in polish ukrainian history. why are ukrainian politicians still reluctant to talk about these events? how to modern day ukraine and poland view this tragedy of the past? and why does the memory of aline still divide people ah, the, for the rules, the business. and you can create a daily shoes and you made it comes. graham, when you wrote, you just got to really just touch and i can also provide you with just options for him. what's the difference with him for which helped him get you thrown with them the problem and you're still not sure if you're here are sick. if you brought in that the study skills on that was the cleaning of waste coming to
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enough on ok, which which longer it was just pushed in just a moment because i knew a partial useful code and you don't know which guy? no, i don't know if i should just to do giving me that you're going to do use just opinion enough is come on you can you can you mean are you not from me on you feel that it's not for them that was the one

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