be against violence and against the invasion of ukraine by russia. but if you look at it at a geopolitical level, one can see that both russia and china being surrounded by americans, nato military bases. and the assertion is that the nato is a defense of alliance, but i think brown, people like libyans or syrians or iraqis, we say that this is certainly not the case. and at least for the connie's. so, you know, the perspective from africa is that we want to be neutral. these are the, this war doesn't mean we don't have compassion with the ukrainians or the russians . boat. people are dying on both sides at the geopolitical level. one can see that the russians were backed into a corner and almost had no option. on the other hand, at the national level, one must respect the rights of the ukrainians. like many africans struggling for self determination,

the colonization wasn't just the colonization or the process for self determination . so this struggle with the neo cons is also at the civilizational level, you mentioned for piano. but you didn't mentioned samuel huntington in his clash of civilizations, arguing that there is no prospect for you know, anything else but liberal internationalism. but in that entire book, he doesn't mention africa as if we don't exist. and this is a serious, serious problem because we are players in the world. we do contribute resources to the global economy and provide services and production to the international division of labor that exists. so this is real challenge for africa to maintain neutrality. you mentioned the ukrainians try for self determination. i think it has to be respected. in fact, that russia made it flashed to respected by freeing itself from russia. political

influence does not have to mean prostituting the land for the americans. i mean, one of the things that it is, i think a public records right now is the efforts by the west to ask that it's militarization of ukrainian territory. i wonder why do you think, what was the motivation behind it? because it's hard to understand, again, after having all those wars and how much they caused the american taxpayers. and how little they brought to the ordinary people in the united states and around the world. it's hard to understand why would be the so called neo con cabal. even though it was many representatives of the democratic party, why would it persist on doing the same thing over and over and over and over again? well, i think if you listen to people i john mearsheimer, they say that america believes it's the shining city on the hill and have a responsibility to protect populations as well as the responsibility to promote

democracy. unfortunately, on the us of repeats this on this, this, i don't know, process in country after country because these people are simply not reflective of counties down the left with their tails between the legs and libya is a complete message was the best african country. it's an incredible catastrophe, and it's the same that's happening in ukraine. now. these were preventable chrisy crises, in 2000. i mean, last year, i mean, had the nato and the others chatted to russia and come to sort or some sort of agreement so that the russians in easton, ukraine could be protected. ukraine could have been as professor michael hudson, who appears on your show, said it could have been a bridge and a buffer. you see zalinski now talking about neutrality. and is that proposition had been put forward between 2014 and now a lot of the problems would have been solved. so when we come to why the neocons do

things neocons do things because they feel they have an obligation to the world. but they also very, very bizarre re, like the iranian, say they just drink deals so that it works for the interests or what their perceived interests are. but i mean, if one just simply looks at a map of bases and massage stations, i mean that it's, or it's more than coincidental that russia is actually being surrounded and being targeted as an enemy. i mean, the ridiculous notion that muscle systems and ruin out there to protect europe from iran. iranian massage strikes. i mean, this is the level of deception that goes on. that said, is race is constitutive in south africa, you know, politics, you're not going to get around the domination, you know, by the soviets of warsaw back countries like ukraine, entities formative. but the, at the end of the day, we know this invasion,

or whatever you from ism you want to use for it was preventable. and this violence is only going to get worse. the position that puts africa in is that if this level of d stabilization goes on, africa is facing a crisis of enormous proportions. they're 300000000 people now at risk of hunger. i mean, this is incredible. and we see the north of the u. s. talking and europe talking about concern for africa and they want to alleviate the food crisis. but you know, it's like the rank hypocrisy of this people just does not arise because s a w t o ministerial conference in june in geneva recently. and the u. s. and e, you were blocking poor countries from public stockpiling or food so that they can cater for emergencies. and then when it comes into context of the ukrainian rule,

they're all supportive of the african position that block us from storing grain, you know, so that they can make profit from higher prices, yet they pretend to care for african countries. it's ridiculous. well, it's probably because they also want to keep it for themselves. there's green supplies, and i think this is one of the very unique features of the ukranian crisis. is that absolutely well, he can not only came home to roost, but it came home pretty soon, and it's not only the poorest countries of the south that have to deal now with the rising foot and fuel prices. but also the developing, the developed world has to deal with certain insecurity, shortage is energy hikes, political as it is in the united states. i had of the, i could only trim election i one day if you think that the west may have miscalculated what it was getting into when it got the size of russia. i think that this 5, this ration but also made the whole world software. the consequences of his decision

to penalize ration overall, i think, you know, are the african position on neutrality, south africa, which is pushing neutrality very strongly. so, rama post the brick said the same thing and it is, i'm a speculation on both parties parts. i think there was an under estimation where the europe could actually get united against russia under the nato bena. and we see that happening now, and i think it's a serious miscalculation from the u. s. side, but the u. s. can afford the miscalculation, simply because it is surrounded by 2 oceans and is relatively secure. and also the proportion of expenditure by its people on food as a proportion of the income is much lower. it's 10 to 20 percent. whereas in africa, the proportion of people's average expenditure and food is about 40 to 50 percent. so, you know,

the north and no europe in america can fool the people because they saying this is putin's inflation. but is it really because inflation was rising before the war? so even in very period 2020 to 2021. there was a 20 percent increase in the price of food and now it's 40 percent over the amount of money that will be you in the united states. trent, it's really clear that the inflation is driven by, you know, the printing machine that is turning out, turning out money like crazy with absolutely no consideration for what's going to happen. well, the one thing is, one can look at quantitative easing, which was necessary at the time. the problem is the distribution of the quantitative easing, which was pushed towards asset prices and the rich wrong. most of the stock market and bonds. it wasn't distributed to the people, i think q e was absolutely necessary to forestall or global crisis. that was

caused essentially by u. s. that of it, of products and practices. ah, but there is also significant market monopolization. and so you have a few u. s. and e, u companies dominating international trade in coffee and grains, you know, people like car deal and then you have others like monsanto and buy on fertilizers and so on. so they seemed rather the argument that we say it's money printing the scores, the inflation. no, it's also monopolization, as well as a ranch interests and people who are simply taking advantage of the crisis so that they can raise prices. and this is very indicative of the problem of rising inequality. i mean, it shows that the economic system pushed forward by the e u and the u. s. which is basically neoconservatism plus neoliberalism shows that they really don't care about their own people. actually, they could not care less about the impact on their people. and we wait for our

activists and progressive friends in the north to actually start having discussions in our inequality is called for class. but why can't we say that there's a class war going on here? well, well, we'll talk more about that after short break, but they can be, ah, we have to take it. we will be back in just a few moments session. ah . the 2nd world war affected millions of people. during the conflict, the balance of power was held by the leaders of 3 nations,

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institute react before the breaker. we were discussing the implications of the, of this conflict. the, as well as the globalized economic and political system for russia, for europe, for the united states. now let's turn our attention to africa and i recently came across a great quote from one of the major in play. right. and boys and the, the 1st off the harem recipient, they've been noble prized in literature. who said that a tiger does no child is tied to it act. i wonder if part of the problem or part of the nation with the math that the world is in right now, is it for you? long humane in countries pretended to act rather than absent. and whether it be the crisis as best as it is, would force governments around the world to actually take that own decisions in the best interest of that old people. rather than referring or diverting judgment to

the so called neil li borneo clinic. about that you mentioned before, for africans, the situation is such that we're in a position of great dependency. and i think russia needs to appreciate what great dependency we know. most of all countries to northern countries or western banks, private in the private sector on official loans. so the position of neutrality is very, very expensive for africa. and on a civilizational level, what we see is we see a doubling down or the u. s. in the u, pushing your liberal policies, you know, saying if you're boated, we will come an invest, you know, and none of that is really happening after flow is down. and even if we do get info so that we can benefit, you know, from trading. so finance and investment links, you know, it hardly ever happens because they monopolize the sector or the monopolized

investment. so i don't see a major change coming through. and even with the exception of president boot, and russia has followed a large linear liberal path, even though it has changed its position on having a weaker currency. so you can encourage manufacturers and we kind of forget that everyone literally copied the american system of manufacturer manufacturers by alexander hamilton, who was then followed by frederic list and then followed by pre bolshevik russia through saturday. and for example, linen did the trans siberian hiring. you know, railway which is actually one of the communication infrastructures recommended by saturday video. and i think we need to, we will move to something like that where countries focus on the actual gains afraid instead of making a country 60 enough for america to invest in well. but for sure, 1st of all,

i appreciate your deep knowledge of the russian history. but i would also add from my side that i think russian from african countries, especially resource rich countries, share certain similarities because russia sue was being used by the west point by allowing it to extract our natural resources in exchange for aid and developmental advice that seem to be benefactors more than the beneficiaries. and yet it is 7 point. the decision was made to cut down on external death and russia after the costs of the so we have enormous that it managed to paid all it also made certain moves in favor of self proficiency. so locating crucial industries within the country for the rainy day, which we see now have come. don't you think that that's all for some, you know, things to ponder about for some of the african countries at least as far as self sufficiency is concerned. because i know that many of the african countries

economically are very specialized soon. the global is the agenda, but that leaves them out in the old one that can damage or a major other disruption and supplies stripes. russia has done remarkably well after the magnetic sky act and the sanctions that were imposed. you know, after that as well. russia has certainly taken steps to improve it. resilience and its productive capacity. but what we have not seen is russia sterilizing. the inflows of rovers or, you know, foreign exchange coming in those that are allowed, like the norwegian sovereign wealth fund us because if you have too much appreciation of your currency, it's going to knock your productive capacity simply because you're exports are going to become too expensive and we haven't seen moves on that on russia proposal to the brakes and sharing of information like the need for tentative credit ratings agencies or the need for an alternative payment system. i think here african

countries can learn enormous enormous amounts from russia, particularly on credit ratings. agencies and as well, i think rush as to step up its support to african countries, particularly on the payment system. because this is where african countries are most vulnerable. you will see african countries changing tech, not because, you know, the soviet union didn't support african countries. you know, in the colonial straw and to colonial struggles and all that. but because african countries are very dependent. a key thing here was the control the u. s. and you have over the w h o, the russian sport next, next scene was not approved to eat. and mind africans ability to get the technology transfer that russia offered so freely. and practically anyone who said that they dealt with the russians on this was that they were all fingering real hands on capacity building. and it was bo gates who stood up and said, no,

we won't need to have this controlled. you know, we're not gonna approve it. at w h o re not going to get funds for this kind of medicine and this was a shortage. and they left the africans with 17 percent very vaccine coverage. and then they go to the w. and so we're concerned about you and the block, you know, steps that we can take to be self reliant in vaccines. the situation is really, really incredulous. i mean, they left us hanging and the russians were there, but we were constrained. he seemed to be using a lot of pacify language here they left us hanging. we weren't able to act. but i like to call this statement from one of the heroes of the indian national movement. that freedom is not given it's taken. don't you think that perhaps the time has come, and it's a time of case that time when many governments are working very tight roads. but when they have to me decisions for that population to perhaps disobey some of these

global wisdom delivering consorts so and you know, make decisions that see that people do that. yes, that is true. but, you know, like the people say, we talk about ukrainian sovereignty and it's, you know, nato's open door is sovereign for ukraine to enter. you know, it's a complete life. you're new york on say about that because they undermine african and other people. serenity all the time. the reaction of the u. s. 2 african neutrality on the un security council decisions and in the general assembly has been to pass and act that will monitor russian activities in africa as if they are a school teacher can walk around with cane, eating african countries. so the scope for action for african countries is very limited. african countries need to take a position that's more cunning focusing on the interest, but they need to be coming to do that because they will be put and i am if you live

or not have access to medicines or have the funding cut for a lot of things, so that's why i was saying that russia needs to understand the very precarious nature of african african countries. and i think that if russia and china can offer meaningful alternatives to african countries, we will be able to step out of the dependency. but without the u. s, but with the u. s. pushing very strongly against africans. now, it's going to get harder and harder and you will see some defections, for example, kenya stoking a strong game against russia when it's dependent on beller roost and russia for so much of it's fertilized. it's going to face fertilizer crisis because it's simply won't be able to get them on the market. europe is going to take a 1st preference and kenya is going to be left behind. so you see this happening already, but yes, we do hope our countries will focus on national interest. i mean, put in stepped up and replaced shock therapy with nationalist interests. sometimes

we get worried about alexandra jogan and those kinds of folks that are referred to . but we have not had our national this moment or put in moment way after liberation of freedom from colonial domination where we could act in the interest of all people. while the picture you're reading is really in depressive. so perhaps let me ask you 11 more question that is quite concerning, but maybe it has some hope in it as well. many economists are warning about famine in northern and central africa because of the arising fuel and rain prices. and i know that russia, for example, takes it seriously. they had of the african union visited this country just a few weeks ago, and he got reassurances from the kremlin that russia would do everything possible not to subject those countries to the negative implications of the ukrainian

conflict. but there are real concerns here that the west may intervene or interfere with the logistics for the sake of presenting, rushing and accurate supplies. i want want to ask you about that specifically, do you think there's anything that the african countries can do to make sure that these 2 opposing camps rush on one side in the west, the other side could be brought to that humanity in delivering something as basic and something as necessary, as grants to africa. do you think there's any hope of finding a compromise? they are not in the ukraine because it's too hard, but at least far away in africa? well, i like i said, the hip f christy of the north knows no bounds. they are shameless. when you come on, we are, we are the largest country up in the world and we, we care about humanity, not only our managed,

but everybody else has to am entered in the dialectic of north and south, no geographic. but okay, i'll say the west because because of the silent century rushes position in the west is questionable as the europeans like to keep reminding us. no, i think there's a lot of hope because i'm lucky. so from senegal is meeting with president putin, i think right now, and you know, when you speak to diplomats coming out of meetings with the russians over the kremlin, you know, they say they treated us with respect. they listened attentively. they asked pertinent questions and they provided solutions and told us where the difficulties are. the primary cause of the of the shortages is basically the shipping routes and the, you know, the insurance and i'm not sure the u. s. or the e u is going to, is going to move on this. so this crisis is going to continue. but what i think the africans do appreciate is the very attentive nature and the concern outlook that

the kremlin is giving. and you know, it's so simple. you know, the africans are saying, you know, the russians treated as decently and with respect. i mean, you know, if you go to the w t o, africans try and get some correction on the destructive subsidies, the subsidies that the you and the us give, it's about $631000000.00 a year. that basically allows european pharmacy to sell a product at the, at a price that is lower than what africans can produce. so i think on the food level and on the health level, the relations between africa and russia can be improved. but i am worried about the african countries bending to the u. s. u. s. because of the pressure of hunger and it's going to be devastating for people. but i think what's coming out of the kremlin in cooperation with the african union is a remarkable we just need to you and the u. s. to stop there nonsense on sanctions

and allowing shipping and insurance so that people don't die area on this very sobering node. we have to be there. thank you very much for your thoughts today. much obliged and thank you for watching you hope to searing down all the parts and with mm oh, i

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