was true to putting people like scott ritter off and so on. so there's the traditional manufacturing of consent. and even more concerning is that there is an over simplification of very complex issues. one can, for instance, at a human level b of b against violence and against the invasion of ukraine by russia. but if you look at it at a geopolitical level, one can see that both russia and china being surrounded by american or nato military bases. and the assertion is that the nato is a defense of alliance, but i think a brown people like libyans or syrians or iraqis, we say that this is certainly not the case, and at least for the off on it. so, you know, the perspective from africa is that we want to be neutral, is of this war. it doesn't mean we don't have compassion with the ukrainians or the russians. or, you know, both people are dying on both sides at the geopolitical level. one can see that the

russians were backed into a corner and almost had no option. on the other hand, at the national level, one must respect the rights of ukrainians. like many africans who are struggling for self determination. you know, the colonization wasn't just the colonization or the process for self determination . so this struggle with the neocons is also at a civilizational level, you mentioned fukuyama, but you didn't mention samuel huntington in his clash of civilizations, you know, arguing that there is no prospect for you know, anything else about liberal internationalism. but in the entire book, he doesn't mention africa as if we don't exist. and this is a serious, serious problem because we are players in the world. we do contribute resources to the global economy and provide services and production to the international division of labor that exists. so this is real challenge for africa to maintain

neutrality. you mentioned the ukrainians try for self determination. i think it has to be respected. in fact, that russia made it flashed to respect this by freeing itself from russian political influence does not have to mean prostituting that land with americans. i mean, one of the things that is, i think a public records right now is the efforts by the west to expedite it's militarization of ukrainian territory. i wonder why do you think, what was the motivation behind it? because it's hard to understand, again, after having all those wars and how much they caused the american taxpayers. and how little they brought to the ordinary people in the united states and around the world. it's hard to understand why would be the so called neo con cabal. even though it was many representatives of the democratic party, why would it persist on doing the same thing over and over and over and over again?

well, i think if you listen to people i john mearsheimer, they say that america believes it's the shining city on the hill and have a responsibility to protect populations as well as the responsibility to promote democracy. unfortunately, the us of repeats this on this, this, i don't know, process in country after country because these people are simply not reflective of counties down the left with their tails between their legs and libya is a complete message was the best african country. it's an incredible catastrophe, and it's the same that's happening in ukraine. now. these were preventable chrisy crises, in 2000. i mean, last year, i mean, had the nato and the others chatted to russia and come to sort or some sort of agreement so that the russians in easton, ukraine could be protected. ukraine could have been as professor michael hudson,

who appears on your show, said it could have been a bridge and a buffer. you see zalinski now talking about neutrality. and if that proposition had been put forward between 2014 and now a lot of the problems would have been solved. so when we come to why the neocons do things neocons do things because they feel they have an obligation to the world. but they also are very, very bizarre, re, like the iranian, say they just doing do so that it works for their interests or what their perceived interests are. but i mean, if one just simply looks at a map of bases and massage stations, i mean that it's, or it's more than coincidental that russia is actually being surrounded and being targeted as an enemy. i'm in the ridiculous notion that muscle systems and ruin out there to protect europe from iran. iranian massage strikes. i mean, this is the level of deception that goes on. that said,

is race is constitutive in south africa, you know, politics, you're not going to get around the domination. you know, by the soviets of was opec countries like ukraine, entities formative. but the, at the end of the day, we know this invasion or whatever you from as him you want to use for it was for preventable. and this violence is only going to get worse. the position that puts africa in is that if this level of destabilization goes on africa is facing a crisis of enormous proportions. they're 300000000 people now at risk of hunger. i mean, this is incredible and we see the north of are us talking and europe talking about concern for africa and they want to alleviate the food crisis. but you know, it's like the rank hypocrisy of this people just does not arise because it's

a w t o ministerial conference in june in geneva recently. and the u. s. and e, you were blocking poor countries from public stockpiling or food so that they can cater for emergencies. and then when it comes into context of the ukrainian rule, they're all supportive of the african position. they block us from storing grain, you know, so that they can make profit from higher prices, yet they pretend to care for african countries. it's ridiculous. well, it's probably because they also want to keep it for themselves. there's green supplies, and i think this is one of the very unique features of the ukranian crisis. is that absolutely well, he can not only came home to roost, but it came home pretty soon and not only the poorest countries of the south that have to deal now when they arriving with fuel prices. but also the developing, the developed world has to deal with certain insecurity. shortage is energy high.

political as it in the united states had of the i could only trim election i one day if you think that the west may have miscalculated what it was getting itself into when it, because the size of russia is 5 this ration, but also made the whole world suffer the consequences of his decision to penalize ration overall. i think, you know, are the african position on neutrality, south africa, which is pushing neutrality very strongly. so rama post brick said the same thing. it is, i'm a speculation on both parties parts. i think there was an under estimation where the europe could actually get united against russia under the nato bena. and we see that happening now. and i think it's a serious miscalculation from the u. s. side, but the u. s. can afford. busy the miscalculation simply because it is surrounded by 2 oceans and is relatively secure,

and also the proportion of expenditure by its people on food as a proportion of the income is much lower. it's 10 to 20 percent. whereas in africa, the proportion of people's average expenditure and food is about 40 to 50 percent. so, you know, the north and no europe in america can fool the people because they saying this is putin's inflation. but is it really because inflation was rising before the war? so even in very period 2020 to 2021. there was a 20 percent increase in the price of food and now it's 40 percent over the amount of money that will be you in the united states. trent, it's really clear that that the inflation is driven by, you know, the printing machine that is turning out, turning out money like crazy with absolutely no consideration for what's going to happen. well, one thing is, one can look at quantitative easing,

which was necessary at the time. the problem is the distribution of the quantitative easing, which was pushed towards asset prices and the rich wrong. most of the stock market and bonds. it wasn't distributed to the people. i think q e was absolutely necessary to forestall or global crisis. that was caused essentially by us that of it, of products and practices. but there is also significant market monopolization. and so you have a few u. s. and e. u companies dominating international trade in coffee and grains. you know, people like car deal and then you have others like monsanto and buy on fertilizers and so on. so they seemed rather the argument that we say it's money printing the scores, the inflation. no, it's also monopolization, as well as ranch interests, and people who are simply taking advantage of the crisis so that they can raise prices. and this is very indicative of the problem of rising inequality. i mean,

it shows that the economic system pushed forward by the e u and the u. s. which is basically neoconservatism plus neoliberalism shows that they really don't care about their own people. actually, they could not care less about the impact on their people. and we wait for our activists and progressive friends in the north to actually start having discussions . you know, inequality is cold for class, but why can't we say that there's a class war going on here? well, well, we'll talk more about that after short break, but the can be we have to take it. we'll be back in just a few moments session. ah for. ah,

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chapter on the southern african trade institute. before the break, we were discussing the implications of the, of this conflict, the, as well as the globalized economic and political system for russia, for europe, for the united states. now let's turn our attention to africa and i recently came across a great quote from a q one this year in play, right. and boys and the, the 1st off the heroine recipient. they've been noble prize in literature. who said that a tiger does? no child is tied to it act. i wonder if part of the problem or part of the nation with the math that the world is in right now, is it for you? long, humane in countries pretended to act rather than active and whether it be the crisis as best as it is, would force governments around the world to actually take the own decisions in the

best interest of that old people. rather than referring out or discerning jasmine to the so called neo lee when you opened about that, you mentioned before, i think for africans the situation is such that we're in a position of great dependency. and i think russia needs to appreciate what great dependency we are in. now, most of our countries i needed to northern countries or western banks, private in the private sector on official loan. so the position of neutrality is very, very expensive for africa. and on a civilizational level, what we see is we see a doubling down or the u. s. in the u, pushing your liberal policies, you know, saying if you build it, we will come and invest, you know, and none of that has, is really happening. capital flows are down and even if we do get info so that we can benefit, you know, from trade links or finance and investment links. you know,

it hardly ever happens because they monopolize the sector or them and monopolize the investment. so i don't see a major change coming through. and even with the exception of president putin, russia has followed a largely new liberal path. even though it has changed its position on a, you know, having a weaker currency. so it can encourage manufacturers. and we kind of forget that everyone literally copied the american system of manufacturer manufacturers by alexander hamilton, who was then followed by frederick list and then followed by pre bolshevik russia for through sarah gave it. and for example, linen did the trans siberian hiring. no railway, which was actually one of the communication infrastructures recommended by survey of it. and i think we need to, we will move to something like that where countries focus on the actual gains of trade instead of making a country sexy enough for america, invest in, well,

but for sure, 1st of all, i appreciate your deep knowledge of the russian history but i would also add from my side that i think russia and some african countries, especially resource rich countries, share certain similarities because russia to was being used by the west point by allowing it to extract our natural resources in exchange for aid and developmental advice that seem to be benefactors more than the beneficiary. and the other point decision was made to cut down on external death and russia after the costs of the. so if you have enormous that is managed to paid all, it also may certain moves in favor of self proficiency. so locating crucial industries within the country for the rainy, they reach everything. now, half. com, don't you think that that's all for some, you know, things to at least ponder about for some of the african countries,

at least as far as self sufficiency is concerned. because i know that many of the african countries economically are very specialized. susie global with the agenda, but that leaves them out in the old one that can damage or a major other disruption and supplies stripes. russia has done remarkably well after the magnet ski act and the sanctions that were imposed, you know, after that as well. russia has certainly taken steps to improve its resilience and its productive capacity. but what we have not seen is russia sterilizing. the inflows of rovers or you know, foreign exchange coming in those that are allowed like the norwegian sovereign wealth fund does. because if you have too much appreciation of your currency, it's going to not your productive capacity simply because your exports are going to become too expensive. and we haven't seen moves on that on russia proposal to the brakes and sharing of information like the need for alternate of credit ratings

agencies or the it for an alternate of payment system. i think here african countries in learn enormous and you know, most amount from russia, particularly on credit ratings agencies. and as well. i think russia to step up, it's support to african countries, particularly on the payment system. because this is where african countries are most vulnerable. you will see african countries changing tech, not because, you know, the soviet union didn't support african countries, you know, in the colonial straw and to colonial struggles and all that. but because african countries are very dependent, a key thing here was the control the u. s. and e, you have over the w h o, the russian sputnik vaccine was not approved. so it undermined africans ability to get the technology transfer that russia offered so freely. and practically anyone who said that they dealt with the russians on this was that they were off fingering

real hands on capacity building. and it was bo gates who stood up and said, no, we won't need to have this control. you know, we're not going to approve it at w h o re not going to get funds for this kind of medicine. and this was a shortage. and they left the africans with 17 percent of their vaccine coverage. and then they go to the w. and so we're concerned about you and they block, you know, steps that we can take to be self reliant in vaccines. the situation is really, really incredulous. i mean, they left us hanging and the russians were there, but we were constrained. he seemed to be using a lot of pacify language here they left us hanging. we weren't able to act. but i like to go this statement from one of the indian national movement that freedom is not given it's taken. don't you think that the have the time has come and is it time of case that time when many governments are working very tight roads,

but when they have me decisions for that population to perhaps disobey some of these global wisdom delivering consorts. so, you know, make decisions that few people do that. yes, that is true. but you know, like the people say, we talk about ukrainian sovereignty and it's, you know, nato's open doors suffering for your brain to enter. you know, it's a complete life. and you can say about that because they undermine african and other people sovereignty all the time. the reaction of the u. s. 2 african neutrality on the un security council decisions and in the general assembly has been to pass and act that will monitor russian activities in africa as if they had a school teacher who can walk around with a cane, teaching african countries. so this scope for action for african countries is very limited. african countries need to take a position that's more coming focusing on the interest,

but they need to be coming to do that because they will be put and i am, if you are not have access to medicines or have the funding cut for a lot of things so that's, i was saying that russia needs to understand the very precarious nature of african african countries. and i think that if russia and china can offer meaningful alternatives to african countries, we will be able to step out of the dependency, but without the u. s. but with the us pushing very strongly against africans now, it's going to get harder and harder. and you will see some defections, for example, kenya stoking a strong game against russia when it's dependent on beller roost and russia for so much of its fertilizer. it's going to face fertilizer crisis because it's simply won't be able to get them on the market. europe is going to take a 1st preference and kenya is going to be left behind. so you see this happening already, but yes, we do hope our countries will focus on national. i mean,

put in stepped up and replaced shock therapy with nationalist interests. sometimes we get worried about alexandra jogan and those kinds of folks that are referred to . but we have not had our national this moment or put in moment way after liberation of freedom from colonial domination where we could act in the interest of all people. while the picture, your branding is really depressed. perhaps let me ask you 1. 1 more question that is quite concerning, but maybe it has some hope in it as well. many economists are warning about famine in northern and central africa because of the arising fuel and grain prices. and i know that russia, for example, takes it seriously. they had of the african union visited this country just a few weeks ago, and he got reassurances from the kremlin that russia would do everything possible

not to subject those countries to the negative implications of the ukrainian conflict. but there are real concerns here that the west may intervene or interfere with the logistics for the sake of presenting, rushing and negative life. and i want want to ask you about that specifically, do you think there's anything that the african countries can do to make sure that these 2 opposing camps rush on one side. and there wasn't the other side, could be brought to that humanity in delivering something as basic and something as necessary as grange to africa. do you think there's any hope of finding a compromise? they are not in the ukraine because it's too hard, but at least far away in africa. well, i, like i said, the hip f chrissy of the north knows no bounds there, shameless oh, come on. we are the largest country up in the world. we care about

humanity, not only our humanity, but everybody else has to. am entered in the dialectic of north and south. no geographic, but okay, i'll say the west because because of the silent century rushes position in the west is questionable as the europeans like to keep reminding us. no, i think there's a lot of hope because i'm lucky. so from senegal is meeting with president putin, i think right now, and you know, when you speak to diplomats coming out of meetings with the russians over the kremlin, you know, they say they treated us with respect. they listened attentively. they asked pertinent questions and they provided solutions and told us where the difficulties are. the primary cause of the of the shortages is basically the shipping route and the, you know, the insurance and i'm not sure the u. s. or the e u is going to, is going to move on this. so this crisis is going to continue. but what i think the

africans do appreciate is the very attentive nature and the concern outlook that the kremlin is giving. and you know, it's so simple. you know, the africans are saying, you know, the russians treated as decently and with respect. i mean, you know, if you go to the w t o, africans try and get some correction on the destructive subsidies, the subsidies that the you and the us give, it's about $631000000.00 a year. that basically allows european pharmacy to sell a product at the, at a price that is lower than what africans can produce. so i think on the food level and on the health level, the relations between africa and russia can be improved. but i am worried about the african countries bending to the u. s. u. s. because of the pressure of hunger and it's going to be devastating for people. but i think what's coming out of the kremlin in cooperation with the african union is

a remarkable we just need the you and the u. s. to stop there, nonsense on sanctions and allowing shipping and insurance so that people don't die area on this very. so bring those, we have to be there. thank you very much for your thoughts today. much obliged and thank you for watching and hope to hear again, all the parts and with mm ah. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy,

even foundation, let it be an arms race is on offensive, very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult. time. time to sit down and talk ah, during the 2nd world war in nazi occupied, poland, virginia was a farming region today. it's part of ukraine. between 19431945 members of the ukrainian insurgent army led by step on bendara. nasa could thousands of poles and valeria in a diabolical ethnic cleansing process. the murders were particularly horrific and brutal villages were burned and property looted. of aline, a massacre is without doubt, one of the bloodiest episodes in polish ukrainian history. why are ukrainian politicians still reluctant to talk about these events? how to modern day ukraine and poland view this tragedy of the past?

and why does the memory of belinda still divide people i united states has always had a variety of tools, news, and tax on other countries. economic sanctions are, are often just a beginning. another thing you like to do is place some military pressure on the countries that you're talking about. and there has to be an effort to demonize that country and the leader of that country. the ha, we have a responsibility for the whole world. and we need to make room for the rest because without us there will be k, a y,

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