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. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest, glenn, these in oslo. he's a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as author of the book, phobia propaganda in international politics. and in america we crossed martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator, or a gentleman crossed out girls and the fact that means you can jump any time you want and i would appreciate it. or i would start, i was going in our slow, i'm you and i were in contact before we started this recording and you decide on the topic on the unit polar moment. well, how much to my surprise? well, tony blair, the former british prime minister, gave a big speech about dominance of the west is coming to an end. so what a interesting collision of perfect storms here for. so for our. busy our audience, what do you, what is meant by the unit polar moment you to pull out or what does that mean?

well again, this i think is major story of our time. because when the soviet union collapsed, the world became unipolar. this means that there was only one central power in the world because during the cold war you heard it was bipolar and 2 centers. now under the uniform order, you only have one center which is united states. it was organized as the west, a collective hedge money. so, and so this really immersed in 30 years ago as the soviet union collapsed and megan, preserving the unit polar distribution of power, became the foundation for your security strategy. for idea was that as long as the u. s. maintained its global hedge money, then there would be no rivalries between the great powers. and this was ever referred, rasa unit polar peace or hedge money is if you will. so the problem was, what many academics point out which of the uniform movement would unavoidably be temporary because 1st of all, it would exhaust us resources to dominate the world. but 2nd of all, because maintaining youth dominance would depend on preventing the rights of other

center. so our one would expect the country says different, thus russia, china, india, brazil, and others with increasingly corporate, with each other to bows off the united states because they see of united states trying to keep them down. well, as we see now, 30 years later, this predictions are coming to fruition that is the use of exhausting many of its resources under major powers are ready to create alternative security and economic infrastructure which is independent of the united states. and the question has always been, how would the u. s. respond? even brzezinski, remember who could not be more of a phobic yet? he also recognized there was a dilemma. the u. s. can either facilitate or support a transition to multiple or order when the youth has a privileged position, or alternatively, you can fight all his rivals in the ground, stand off to regain his former dominant position. though i think that because the west has linked the survival of liberalism and our values to hedge money, personal negotiation. so what we now see is that your assistant presume

confrontation with many, emily rush in europe, china and asia, and iran in the middle is a seeing that is used to fight to restore is global hedge money. even though this does not seem very likely at all, well, you bring up a really good point learn. i mean, one of the things that you know, in glenn gives a perfect explanation there. but is this an ideological thing? is it based on security? is it based on g o politics? because if it's ideological, then the west cannot lose, will that is, everything goes against everything in history. empires rise and fall centers of power move around. i mean, that is the nature of geo politics to all of time. and so the where seems because of its ideology, it is the end of history is cookie. i'm a said go ahead mar. yeah, i think come, tony, we're having a wine about some western, our weight is correct on it. you must be doing over to $1000000.00 and co go.

oh because you question about ideology. i don't know if that's the right word, isn't ideology, is it philosophy? it's the only model that the west hat so long was that the huge powers of a lease which controlled our politicians, you know, had a very singular view of the world which the petitions followed. you know, they look to poor countries and they said, are you pulling backward? i do have a huge democratic deficit. you know, are you in debt? um, do you need american aid and will you fall on the ground boots vocal, sam? and if countries around the world said yes to those 5, then they were welcomed and there was a huge body slam, you know, your, our kind of guy are kind of dictator or kind of leader. this is how americans thought and the west followed with this doctrine. but i think a lot of it was about, you know, what we got now as we saw, loses this is the problem. we're losing our power and we don't really know how to

deal with it. just just as a british empire, imploded to the end of the 2nd year, the americans don't really know how to deal with this new scenario that china, iran, russia, india, these companies already forming, they really get their act together and creating a real opposition to america. so you know, how do we cope with in the longer term it's going to be casualties. can be low chest, something winding. but some, i don't think most of it is genuine. i think a little bit is just just the west. don't really coping very well with this new world order. it's interesting that what martin just said there, on glen, because if we, we frame it in ideological terms. well, a lot of what the western liberalism and that's going to spread means today. well, 1st of all, very daily into most of the world, this woke isn't stuff and all about me, most of the world, scott, that is being just ridiculous. i mean, how do you build a coherent, prosperous society based on these ideas that the west is very unfortunately

exporting right now. and i, as a result of what we've seen the global south, not condemning russia for its military operation. ukraine. i think you can draw 2 conclusions. one, they don't take the west very seriously. any more. and number 2 and very importantly, they're not a rated bit anymore thoughts? no, i agree, no other way. and another thing i think when the rest keeps talking about, this is an attack on the rules based quarter. this becomes a role. this becomes a way of expressing, again, ideology as power. so they're saying, you know, we without western hedge money, you can't have the survival of example, liberalism. but i think it the rest of the world in their bit critical because they see this is mainly as the power line behind. because when the, with the soviet union began to pursue this hedge, a monic liberal order, what it was to find us was giving essentially the rest is going to give itself an

extension from international law. so keep in mind when it, when the rest brings up this principles of great principles, democracy, human rights is up to use to limit the, the power of the state. rather, it enables it. so for example, if almost this concert goes sovereign in a court in which it was referred to democracy, human rights, the rest can interfere in domestic affairs. we can po dobermans by calling them credit pollutions for calling acumen. terry interventions, even severing territories of other countries. so that there is this sense that liberalism has been so intertwined with their hedge among the concept that again when, when we do speak about the west leadership, we see it as the guarantee for liberal values of the rest of the world. increasingly see liberalism as simply being a logical, talking point to justify money. so again,

when can take both sides of his argument and it is quite interesting that these discussions aren't really being held in the west at the moment where the power of the west months disappearing. thus at the same time, the world is increasingly rejecting this liberal ideology which will justify the badge money. what me martin, or will under the current administration, the bite ministrations about democracy versus a ta chrissy or a real throw bag to the bass demising. it wouldn't really know um, no perspective on the realities on the ground around the world. but then you know, joe biden, he, if we, if he takes on board is democracy versus the tar chrissy. he vis bump the are the crown prince of stuffy rafia. i mean, what is there were other make of this year? i mean you were, where's the human rights? where is the democracy? where is the rules based. busy order, i mean it just, it is absurd in the whole world. sees this, okay. as

a glen glen touch on the point you said that these, these, these incredibly seismic issues, these qualities that we cling on to have done since the 1st part of the last 7 years are really just talking points as absolutely correct. use that phrase there. and the whole world is realized just now, before, perhaps if you go back and say only 15 or 20 years, you know, when the west meant huge decisions. it could, it could bank on a fair amount of his ex colonies in the global south, and to support un, to support his on those days gone. you know, now the west, the so called worse. what is the west to west is the you 2726 countries, and america and canada and the what, what is the west? what can it do now in with his huge subject, it's very much on his own. and it has to keep on banging the strum and going on about the liberal values. but the truth is, we don't even believe in the liberal values ourselves anymore. you know, democracy, free speech, human rights, just look at what we're doing to people look at the junior sam case. you know,

look at the number of journalists are being arrested in europe for reporting on the war and ukraine. but role to that, the january 6 rioters. yeah, yeah. so you know that this, this edge that we had is gone. you know, we're looking at a new recent new world order. and china and russia are actually beginning to make it very here to the whole world. there is an alternative out, you know, and i think the longer we go on though with these ideas, the more that the worse is exposed to being more corrupt than it ever was in a corruption is now really a huge factor. now when we look at ukraine, when we look at china, i mean, how can you mentioned china without bite and family relations with deals are going on? how can you talk about ukraine without looking at what biden's family are doing in the ukrainian is disgusting? and the only way that we read about these articles read about this graph is from foreign journalists from the other side of this new world order from the china,

from russia, from turkey, from wherever, you know, we don't, our journal is just, you know, forgotten how to do their job and so we all shipping up to something completely new . we don't really know what it's going to look like. but we are living a new reality that america and its allies in europe are no longer a dominant force anymore. they're gonna have to take a back seat to a new economy, a new set of rules, and we're not behaving really very well about it with our attitude towards china, which shocks me actually that the so much religion see the so much. hm. chest beating and talk is a war. how do you go to war with it? with one of your greatest training? honest, it doesn't make any sense in me. glen martin then brings up a great pointer and it goes back to my original question. here is that this is just ideologically driven, it's, it's not rationally, but it's not, it's not ok. this is not assessing your assets and your strength in your ability to get what you want to me. and then these rose tinted glasses is itself limiting and it's actually so humiliating. go ahead like 30 seconds. are we going to break?

i am good example. this is exactly the chinese issue because our hours with china could easily be resolved along this coast back to the one china policy like china has been very open if you will not intervene in pie one unless you have steps over the line. recognizing the end of the want us to use been good, gradually abandoning that one china policy, which on this intervention. and based on this, we're now making china and to me because is particularly responding to a publication as we have already expected. so it is no different than nato expansion propagation. and then you can reaction that we're going to get to what you're breaking up for that short break. we'll continue. our discussion will stay ah, ah

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let's go back to martin then america's one of the interesting things about this unipolar moment coming to an end, it has come to an end. and well, one of the big differences in looking at european politics and the crisis in ukraine is that it seems to me that that germany has finally completely abandon asked politic um billy brant. mama, the current government in germany no longer. i think it was a really broad talk about 2 different legs. one be able to stand on our stay in the west, but be able at the same time to reach out to the east. it seems like those days are over, and that is one of the accomplishments of washington in london. i mean, to finally break the relationship potent wanted since he came to power of having a good, vibrant relationship with germany. that seems to have come to an end, and i would say as a result, it is isolated europe because there's not

a major power in europe. now, there wants to reach out and out, some kind of detente. we haven't used that word in a long time with russia. go ahead, mark. no, i think we're a long way from it at all. unfortunately, because um, when you get into the heads of some of these western elise, you still believe they can play the war of attrition with russia. you see that they're not, they're not interested in any long term friendship or, or deal with russia. you know, we like russia during johnson's period because it was poor and backward and nothing seemed to work. and they needed the help of them. america, at certain point, it was a little tiny window where yeltsin seem to be our guy. you know, soon student came in, so the build the economy, something going on like rushing rushes problem versus the threat rushes, creating all these problems for us. you know, and what comes from that. what i noticed as a journalist is this package fear mongering, which is delivered through the media. you know, we go this fear mongering go now sir. memory is nothing new in the west. we've been

doing it. you know, even go back to the days when russell was young, man and nixon went to russia. the soviet union matching 60 and came back with the so called deal rum sold. and cheney, we're looking at him say, now we've got these new russian submarines which are non acoustic, that hundreds of them just parked off the coast of america. and we couldn't, they couldn't get to get into their heads. that because we couldn't detect the us and russian submarines newsome reins. that doesn't mean that and all they're in reality they didn't exist. they won fair. but did it is always great inflation. yeah. the cleaner the power of nightmares, the power of that fear mongering, huge about didn't stop the next administration for the ministration somewhat correctly from wrong investing in today's and billions of dollars in more military industrial compet kit to try and detect the so called non acoustic russian mac submarines which didn't exist the same things going on today. we've got more fear mongering over china. i know where it's heading. it's heading towards more military

spending. that's the number one thing and it's, we've seen it in ukraine and i'm beginning to wonder, you know, as a skeptical journalist that's covered graft for the best part over 30 years. i'm beginning to wonder whether big international, matthew style and corruption is taking over here are these leads to we elected as so called democratic leaders of our values of our beliefs in this, in this neoliberalism, are they actually pocketing huge amounts of money from these obstacles? we don't know where these arms go. we don't know even we don't even see the receipts from lockheed martin and rape him. you know, we don't even know they get delivered. you know, if you're as old as i am, you can probably remember reagan coming to power on the arms, the arm scandal with the conscious. you know, reagan use the fog of war to cover up all this secrecy. to create secrecy over basically selling arms, iranians, which is a legal taking $30000000.00 off iran and taking $18000000.00 of that and giving it

to the counters to $5.00 to $7.00 inches in the graduate. all course from the illegal he got off the hook. he was never known for that because he used the fog of war to actually move dirty money around people in the worst of very, very naive. they don't understand it. and the money, the people that did take the hall for it were pardoned of yes, i am the president of the an are a the and so we're going to quite good job now also, i mean we, i hate in booking tony blair's name again, sorry, but i mean, to knock about the, you know, the, the, the, the dominance of the west coming to an end. i mean, he, he was part of the, the tipping point. he was very much with agreeing to the legal war in iraq to the point is, isn't one thing going, is that the point about ukraine and the point about iraq and the point about afghanistan is dirty money. you don't keep money is all about these games. you, how do you move money around? how do you store dirty money? how do you save that money and you cream dirty? my of huge arms contracts. a son said pretty much the same thing about afghanistan

. he said, the point of us get guns done was not to finish a war winter war. it was create a sort of black zone where you could keep a little dirty money and keep everybody in check. you know, i was afghanistan, 2000 something. i, british soldiers and one of the biggest frustrations they had was that was show me the head come video of while they were fighting taliban once on field. other people were collecting a heroine, morphine on the other side and packing it away in it. and, you know, so there was a little corruption there and i think all i see in ukraine now is 30 money. i see dirty money in china now, who's getting this money? who's actually profiteering going well to room? nobody rolling around contract 1st. we still don't know today how those american arms companies got paid the $30000000.00. how they get paid. i think they will end up calling it the 100 by model. ok. glen. you're going back to the big picture of the end of the unit polar moment. i mean,

are we in that vicinity is trap right now. i mean, because, because i think we're all in agreement. yeah. it's a, is a combination of ideological possession and greed. okay. i mean, again, the snow was a rift, i mean, it wasn't when it was the keep it going though. the whole thing is that keep it going. it looks like that's something they may try in ukraine. i don't think they're going to be nearly as successful. that's why i think the pumping so much money in their big hub, it now argue care, okay. and they'll be no accounting for it later. just like in afghanistan. so, so glen, i mean, are we in a trap right now with the westbound enough to, to maintain its ideological predominance because it's messianic b or turn to pours because everything's well loss of base. they've created a situation where either you win completely or you lose completely, but world history is everything's in the middle. it doesn't usually get the extremes. go ahead one. no, i agree,

but it also depends on what defined objectives. i mean, if you look at ukraine and russia, they were actually moving towards a little diplomacy. we're moving forward towards disagreements as we know in march . and again, what's not the student is that the ukrainians walked away from it because the united states and the u. k. person to do so, arguing that you know, you can, we will give you all the work and of course there's no, no one of the things today that you came across about. still, the strategy is give you credit weapons, but their weapons for what the process is simply to continue their going and they get it from the us. congress no, and the media. you comparing this idea over and over again. you know, this is an opportunity as well. to bleed ross to try and take nomic and military power. so i think this idea of dragging out to the war is, is part of the part of the goal. and it's also good for lines building because what

the state of the key military power is, a lot of influence comes from having this enduring complex. i mean, and you might have been trying to get the economic and political influence over the years for years. only now with this war ongoing or europe bending over and doing what the americans want to do. and i think you can also see the same possibly in asia, military conflict begins to intensify or escalate some pressure on with china. maybe it can mobilize some of the neighbors of china with united states. and obviously, the reason i'm saying it's because he's seeing this on the list as well. there's agreement now which made in israel and then going to saudi arabia. this is to build up the rhetoric against iran. now, why would united states do this?

well obviously this can open up for this rarely touch on the waiver it, but also be simply the shore abuse leadership and includes in the middle east by having this conflict there, they have to look towards us for leadership. that's the source of influence in the region. so again, i'm not sure what else to explanation to be pursuing a counseling thing as russia in europe, china and asia and iran. now in the middle east, a major war there, if you could possibly title 3 from. so i think this having this slow burning conflict is might be a strategic objective. yeah. well martin, exactly. in the, the 3 regions that i had mentioned in my introduction, i mean, if you have come, you have risk inflation crisis inflation. it is itself the justification to do to be involved in these,

in these areas here. because i have always said like in the middle east of the us, in the, in the west got out of the middle east, they would make their peace. it might be very turbulent and might be very violent, but they would come to terms ok, the same thing in asia. but when you have the western powers, primarily the united states, that it creates a slippery slope not to make hard decisions. ok. and on top of it, i mean, you know what glen was saying here. i mean, you know, the year again, the west has dominance in europe, but it's a pretty hollow prize, isn't it? i mean, the germans are going to be freezing in the winter. what kind of prize is that? we did. we did the marshall plan, need americans to fly in d. c. threes, and dropped through days over city europe. that's where we're heading. i mean, the germans now have to rush and the whole water, but it cannot. you have to boss a week or something, the richest countries in the world for the 1st time and said he has tried to sit, you know, so this is worrying and when you can see the, germany's,

the us. but the european union will the power is, you know, i think when we look at the west in general, and we talk about middle eastern button in saudi arabia the last couple of days. and the 1st punch is punch, whatever you call it. there's a lot of smoke and mirrors the love b s up there, frankly. and this idea that america is going to stand by israel and we're going to defeat iran. i mean, for god's sake, what planet are you on, man, who is going to take on iran in their right mind? and when it is really journalist push bite of each is shrunken seat, and he just kept saying, well, your as a loft or maybe would well probably what joe knows, absolute nonsense. and the interesting thing is, is that we in the west of this, this, this, this, this, this fear mongering going in the middle east for a long time now because his great business for us is great business for arms countries. some companies, you know, and, but the, it's fake, it's completely fake and you only have to look very closely at the relationship between saudi arabia and around how it's becoming slightly cooler. and, you know,

these 2 neighbors are actually starting to open up by chance towards each other. you know, they're both lining up to join bricks. how can they be enemies? they're both going to be in a new train or a saying here, it's one big rift here. okay. all right gentlemen would run out of and i think my guess and i'll slow and america, and i think our viewers for watching us here are you next time remember? ah ah ah

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