ah. ready ah, a believe me, i want turn begins with me, but it does not in there. it will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found. stopped and defeated. ah . i think we've lost more in the warranty. so you know, comparison to con, resort to torture,

and i think it gives them the illusion of mastery and dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves. but we could in fact, create a democratic society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror. the fact that we don't is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears were so called an interrogation techniques used by us. officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected and leave note physical traces. it's an extremely the destructive practice

torture on, of course, on those who receive this pain and suffering. but also on the sidey that becomes a society of cruelty. what we've done is we've not so much lost the war on torture as we've won the war on democracy, and that through terrorizing a population over a period of decades. so that there's nobody in this country who didn't grow up with some booky man, some danger. first, it was communism, then it was terrorist for obviously engaged in many facets of what is generally called the cold war. rich the communists policies force no

doubt as the engage in any political activity or any intelligence. there was not approved. at the highest level, there was a concern that emerged in the 1st article in the late 194 is that the soviets had the code of human consciousness. that they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break the human mind. and it was that, that set off this whole pursuit that laid ultimately to the creation of the she eyes, doctrine of psychological torture. this was a time of the brain washing scare. there were show trials in eastern europe made hungary and poland, which aroused

a lot of concern in the west because people seem to be confessing to crimes that they hadn't committed or mm hm. most importantly was the trial of cardinal mines and ski and hungry. and jessica was already and after world war 2, quite famous because she was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of hunger. and then after the war, he became the cardinal, and the primary of the church. they arrested him. they can find him. those choose of being an aristocrat, it became a kind of target of that regime. and then he was put on trial, were publicly he confessed to the charges against him. and there was this fear in washington, the prince of the church. a man known for his courage under not to pressure that if

he could be broken clearly, the soviets were possession of techniques. mm. the cia reaction was primarily around what they thought was brainwashing the concerns with communist brainwashing. what they never seemed to realize was that these communist techniques were actually borrowed originally from earlier american techniques in the 1920s in 1900 ten's, using sleep deprivation, exhaustion exercises. all these other techniques were standard domestic policing tortures. and they were also driven by 2nd concern. there was a moral panic in the 1950s that an american p o w is in korea. they confess to things that were completely untrue. and it didn't look like they had been talking during the korean more. what happened was that there were

captain down american aviators, and there were around 30 pilots, a testimonies. there were 4 pilots that broadcast on radio bear june, alleging that the united states was using bacteriological warfare against the korean people after the armistice. when these pilots were released or brought back and they were put through court martials and they realized that they had been put through what was then called brain wash. could you describe the method used by the communists? interrogated oh yes, i would put these methods into to categorize physical torture of a start and mental torture. it consisted mainly of standing at attention, having my face flap once in awhile and i did fail to respond as they wanted me to it consistent of being confined in a very close area. the mental treatment which they gave was

a start day designed to try to wear down my resistance to their interrogation to break my willpower to force me in some manner to confess. a mind control project starts in 1950. this was a project that involved a $1000000000.00 a year. there was a, a formal creation, a british american operation at the highest levels in order to mobilize behavioral scientists. so these 3 countries are to kind of crack the code of human consciousness of medical doctors for cornell university medical school in new york city. they got access to some of them are classified material

on people that escaped from the soviet union and have been tortured in the service in wolf was a very well known neurologist. he had a personal relationship with alan dell as the head of the cia. and with the human ecology of fun, wolf offered to who does ca, essentially a friends in order to study questions of brainwashing what they discovered was 11 of the 2 foundational techniques and the ca, doctrine of psychological torture. they discovered a self inflicted pain. what they described in that, in their, in their co author article was that the most devastating technique that the k g, b, a k v d practice was not crude physical beatings. but simply making subjects stand immobile

for hours and days at a time. if you force a human being to stay in a certain position, especially a position that puts a little stress on ligaments or muscles or bones, joints. it doesn't take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating. but nobody's lane figure finger on you. you are doing it to yourself. ah, that was one of the techniques of technique they discovered was from the a, the biomedical research. there was dr. haves work. it was the chair of the psychology department at mcgill university in canada. students volunteered to participate in the study of human behavior under extreme and prolong monotony. their hands and arms were softly covered to muffle a sense of touch,

all harsh lights subdued by a mass comfortable bell choir. and yet it was impossible for most of these students to take it for more than $24.00 or 48 hours. center deprivation really is way of producing 3 monotony. it's a horrible experience getting worse and worse somewhere. somebody talked about cruelty. what they said was that the degree of boredom became intolerable and was one subject said as bad as anything to hitler had ever done to any of his son due to his victims. as we know from almost any basic medical understanding human contact is what makes us human. and a let enables a person to have a sense of normalcy in their lives. and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation. you will literally

easily become severely mentally impaired, or that they came up a consult with the cia continued to work for them. is really the progenitor, modern psychological torture that is project funded. another guy mcgill named doctor in cameron. what erin cameron did at elena moreland city was, was close to monstrous, a payment for psycho therapy. i was just crying, crying cry was hopeless. i didn't know what to expect. they said i was going to the psychiatric ward. ah, you meant that that, that cameron, that's you and cameron?

yes, i met him and we were all was terrified of him. why? we also fear we all had a fear of him. and we didn't want him to notice us because whatever he did, it would never, there was a patient with them. the patient was always screaming. a look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such order that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about personal intelligence at the point, obviously is too great trust, rather than fear. i would like to take on various jobs with artificial intelligence . real, somebody with a

robot most protective phone existence with with ah, mouse mother while you while you easy while furnace us. ah, yes. do you said one sly yet if south. yeah. thrashing south

with stepping a duck. awesome voice now watch. done up all me. double up, my pizza is emiliano full of goody, of whom shall i be? schemes room should thoughtfully assist the y fi. ela a bill? yes. my thought or janine the again the audio fortune. pretty up my bill at about this morning. esther search financially ah who these are the days and hours. ah, the occasion professor un cameron was a very famous psychiatrist. he was head of the american psychiatric association and

the world psychiatric association. he was the top of the field. at the same time, he seemed pretty much willing to do anything. and the for the cia to find a doctor who didn't have limits in a nearby cap. but oh, with lots of patients to work with last as subs that subjects with somebody they were interested in supporting patients would come in ah, with ordinary psychological emotional problems, they sign their waivers and they would be subjected to this bizarre urging of extreme sensory deprivation, isolation for, for up to a month, one of his favorite things was he had a sort of a football helmet with a tape recorder in it would play a tape and look up to 500000 times, say things like my mother, it's me. and he would blit the brain with low center deprivation and kind of

psychological, emotional so, well, what's working? i mean it's garbage blue. ah, what he did was he would put people under massive electro shock and he would give it to the banner prolong basis along with what he called sleep therapy. his idea was, once you wipe the brain clean, you could wipe out the side of the a buried behavior. the bad ideas, the ideas that were missing up people's minds. and you could program in other ideas . electrical vasa therapy picked up and was widely used in germany before it went anywhere else as a way of returning soldiers to war. the german army wasn't going to spend tons of money on psychotherapy for regular soldiers,

so they were looking for cheap and effective ways to send soldiers back to war. it then moves into united states in the clinical note of march 23rd 1962 confirmed a 129. e. c. t 's cameron's clinical notice september 12th recommend patterning and sleep. the clinical notes of october, 19th, november, 1st november, 3rd, november 8th, november 15, all confirmed the patterning and various stages. my sister knows that was supposed to be acting strange, right. my mother decided to have, i decided to have the bill to the and find out what was wrong. so i went to the on a couple of months later and bathroom have they for the shock group was on me. i was in now on for 6 months and this would repeat yeah,

over days and days and weeks and yeah. is it what you feel you have been through being the background? yes, i guess and i say you in mariah and are different we're older a race somehow could be yeah, well. 1 they didn't finish the treatments with me. so when i came out, i was still active and so on. but they did. you went through 3 sessions of d patterning treatments. and when i asked you about things before you don't, you don't remember like i say if i ask you what were you, what stuff for you typing for the national defense, for instance. oh, on that now, are there certain things in your memory that you just don't remember? oh, this 1st hospital life i was about 1616 and a half. the doctors pushed me into sleep therapy. and that was it for about 3 weeks

in sort of a deep sleep. but i don't remember getting up to go to the washroom. i don't, i just remember that the doctor came in occasionally to feed me, and that was it. and then shortly after a while there was another patient that came in and she was an older one and she slept in the other bed. when i started to wake up, i've saw these patients and these patients were in tube, some of them they had earphones and headphones. i dont know if they did any of that to me because when i with the 1st 3 weeks, i don't know what happened. but this was d patterning. ah, the, she has doctrine of psychological torture. that they develop through research in the decade, the 1950s. and was codified in the bar counterintelligence interrogation manual. oh hm.

mm mm. mm. as to basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedures to run one is sensory deprivation and the other is self inflicted pain. ah, the cia trained allied agencies in the techniques. so in effect, you know, knowing about dissemination about abuse, send these techniques to other armies. could you take an ordinary individual, like a resty or recruit and make a person become an effective interrogator? and it seems that mill gms experiment was a liking part of this project. when

i learned of incidents such as the destruction of millions of men, women and children, perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2. how is it possible? i asked myself that ordinary people were courteous and decent in everyday life. can i callously in you mainly without any limitations of conscience? under what conditions, when a person obey authority, who commanded actions and went against conscience? these are exactly the questions that i wanted to investigate at yale university. the motor experiment very simply, was a simulated torture. this was one, not all the research we've been describing is the impact of interrogation upon the subject. milgar had another agenda, the impact of interrogation upon the interrogator. if he were to indicate the wrong answer, you would say wrong. then tell him the number of rolls you're going to give him. then give him the punishment and read the correct word pair. once he got an

ordinary people who fit by all the regular scales, very normal americans. and then he subjected them under false color to just to doing what he called an educational experiment. in tried to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages. as a false patient kept on getting, making mistakes. in fact, milgar was able to encourage, at least in his 1st experiments, i think close to 70 percent, to go on to apply highly dangerous and sometimes fatal shocks. i'm not going to get that man. i mean, there, i mean i want to learn who likes it or not. we must go on until he's done wrong. i refuse to take the responsibility and get her. that means under. all right, let me,

it's absolutely essential. as you continue teacher, there are still many left here. i mean, ged going get wrong, good as to learn in last. i mean i'm going to pay to responsibility. if i only have was it? i don't, i'm responsible for anything that happens here. continue with i national slow. wow . dance truck. music answer plays wrong. ah 95 volts dance. yes, you did this simply with a very simple thing. putting the person behind the wall and having a person with a white lab coat, telling them that they needed to continue. very ordinary people can be influenced by situations. and it's one of the implications of both the milligram experiment is embargo.

the stanford prison experiment was i think, a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people behave in good way. but what makes some people behave in a bad way. and so the idea was let's, let's find an evil place and prisons everywhere in the world are evil places. and let's fill this evil place with only good people. to get the students involved, i had convinced the palo alto police department to make mach arrest of all the students who got a president. and then they came down to the basement of at stanford psychology department. the place where the prison study was done.

the idea is prison is made to feel inferior, insignificant, worthless. the most important thing is you take away their name, they become a number. and of course, given they have smocks it with no underpants that behind is showing like my 1st hour in there. it was humiliating. that was also abrupt, was quick. it was just, you know, take them off, put this on. and then i got dusted with baking soda, which was supposed to be the d. lauser. and i was led by the cell. what some barto did was a very cheap knock off of the kind of thing that milligram was doing not always embargo, but i think, you know, the guard called john wayne believed that ethics don't matter if the environment is

artificial and that's not true. all life is real life we needed to get tougher with the prisoners and it could well be that we were instructed by the experimenters to get tougher. in fact, i don't think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment. were merely a tool of the researchers to get the results they wanted from the real subjects, which we thought were the prisoners. and i decided to become the nastiest prison guard that i could make myself. or what i was responsible for coming up with all of these routines that i would put the prisoners through where i'd have them stand and align, recite their numbers, do push up to do jumping jacks. i had never once stop to think

that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage. we're not, we're not beating anybody. we're just sort of applying psychological pressure on them. oh wow. yeah. a yeah, harms me. how did it? how does it hard? just to claim that people can be like, yeah, it, let me in on some knowledge that, that i've never experienced firsthand. i read about it. i read a lot about it, but i've never experienced it. and i've never seen someone turn that way. i know you're a nice guy. you know, well, you an additional how would your dad i don't know. ah, ah,

with a loan that paid for the summer. like be up to the was then. yeah. like i'm, i'm not finished. i don't wanna look at it now, so important edition full and i would at last, but i had on that machine with a couple to see. did you mother study and what i did, what i did? well, that's edible. up here. let me look it up. let me ask with a little, immediately you live up, upgrade your bathroom, like i lose the bull supposedly when

you get a little bit, you mentioned with them. oh great on your go run it. that is almost i so called american century come to an end. if so, how did he come about was in poor leadership or the mission can lead the world, the felt was always destined to fail. and what follows the end of the american center? when i was sure thing wrong. when old rules just don't hold any world yet to see how this thing becomes an advocate and engagement equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart,

we choose to look for common ground. with both that you're a poll and interpol ring the alarm over the possible influx of weapons from ukraine, making their way to terrorist and criminal groups all over the world in an attempt to turn it back on russian gas that you looked to africa urging states. there are to produce more fossil field that's the spike years of refusing to offer any help or money to the industry, their over carbon emissions concerns. it's not only ukrainian or me that they're fighting against as positions very close to here are full of for you.