russian, oil and gas, and i think you're going to see even even less interest in the european countries and kind of expanding this and making it worse when they're about to start suffering themselves again. nancy pelosi and the by did ministration to put the economic situation in the united states in dire consequences. creating more conflict between the us and russia is not going to help that will have to wait and see where the, the russia is labeled. terry stay by nancy pelosi in the us, steve gil radio host and political commentator. thanks. thanks for your comments today. great. have you on thanks beer. that's how the world's looking at the early hours this saturday morning. wherever you are, i hope your weekend is off to a good start. i'm peter scott. me back again in 30 ah ah.

hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle as a so called american century come to an end. if so, how did it come about? was it poor leadership or the mission to lead? the world itself was always destined to fail. and what follows the end of the american century? ah, crow, sucking the end of the american century, i'm joined by my guess. peter cousin, akin bethesda, he's a professor of history and director of the nuclear studies institute at american university as well as co author with oliver stone of the untold history of the united states in est. ample, we have pepe escobar, he's an independent geopolitical analyst and author specializing in eurasia and in color. we cross the jama baraka. he is a national organizer for the black alliance for peace or

a gentleman. crosstalk rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate pepe. let me go to you. i mean, this bait is program is kind of based on this article by david preston are in harper's magazine. and it was the title of the article was empire burlesque and it kind of said a lot of shockwave, lot of people really kind of surprised by it, but i don't think anybody on this panel would be surprised by it whatsoever. and i found it really quite amusing that this was such a bold article and you know, and you know, it, it, it, it is a and a critique of the, of the elite and all that. i thought it was a good chronology, but he didn't say anything that was particularly interesting or new. go ahead, pepe. now this a mediocre se, mediocre s. for mediocre readers in america, you know, the best writers in across erasure russians. chinese iranians, pakistan east indians, across latin america. the best brazilians, argentinian 0. bryan's across africa. well,

they have been writing about this in detail for over 10 years now. if not, since the mid to thousands at the height of the war on terror. basically, we all know that the free lunch that lasted for 75 years is over. so we are now discussing what's gonna happen next, of course. and you just need to take a look at what's happening at the s c o some. busy in september, in some arc on what happened at the brakes summit in beijing a few weeks ago. what happened at that there run 3 bar side summits here to the gun, right? easy and putting in that on this week. this is where are we going? the interaction of all these institutions across eurasia, towards what the russians themselves have called greater eurasia partnership. but it's bigger than erasure. it's, i would say it's you, you're rush rica, asia as well. let's bring africa and so it, and let's bring latin america. it is

a new world, it's a vin, if the absolutely i agree with it. peter. if the, if i could read a quick fragment from the article here, are we doomed to witness the return of great power rivalry in which the united states and china via for influence? or will that a decline of the u. s. p. a produced novel forms of international collaboration, kind of dumb tally on what peppy has to say. is it, is this even an important question? any more, i mean i, that's a, you know, because really the, the way the, this articles written about american leads, should we lament the end of the american centrally or not? i mean, i don't even think that's a question any more than if i think this is what this mindset is all about. the world is moving on and the u. s. has to find its place in it. that's probably a better way of putting it. go ahead, peter of biden came to power, saying that he was going to restore our american hegemony after the trump years. and he was going to unite the europeans behind the americans. united says is going

to provide leadership to the world. and we see how well that's worked out, situation internationally has only gotten worse in the past 2 years. and the reason why we can't allow this kind of bifurcation, this kind of division is because we're facing existential crises with dealing with the climate is the most obvious while now as the, as europe is burning, as the runways are melting in london, i as the fires be this, this, the heat wave. people are dying. it's only going to get worse, only going to get much, much worse. and we're facing an existential crisis because of the nuclear threat. the west is committed, europeans in the united states are committed to defeating russia. even though they themselves say, many leaders understand that if they succeeded and made potent desperate,

then russia would likely resort to nuclear weapons, which would again potentially precipitate the end of life on the planet. so we'd add a position where we have the luxury to sit back and allow the 2 sides with their insular views and backward notions to destroy our planet. so are facing a serious crisis right now. american hegemony isn't as, as already, and it even charles krauthammer in 1090 proud hammer. now this is america's unipolar moment, right in 2002. he says i was wrong. this is a unit poly iraq, 2nd last 30 or 40 years like i thought it's going to last indefinitely. but by 2006, even krauthammer, after the devil's in iraq and afghanistan, even krauthammer, had to admit that the american unipolar moment and unipolar erode, were a fantasy. so we've known this oliver stone and i wrote about this extensively and

unfold history and my other colleagues on the show been writing about this, talking about it for years. the question is, how do we prevent this from turning into the crisis that ends life on our planet? a jumbo. i think it's really interesting um, noting what peter and peppy have already said here is it can't, can the world survive america reckoning? that is a lot longer the hedge amount, i mean, this is what it really gets down to because it's so infested was the political leads in the united states. and the, the, it is so narrow the definition of how they see their place in the world. it's either all or, or they'll be chaos again. this article is very light headed in the way i look at it is because it doesn't look at the, the realities playing out on the ground and is peppy said here the world is moving on. and the u. s. s the find its place in it, and that's something that americans can't contemplate because of american exceptionalism, which we'll talk about later. go ahead and cali or, you know,

of heated you're absolutely right. the other commentaries are spot on the money. the basically what we have is at the u. s. the lead on able to, to excel the new political reality. they seem to be committed to their notion of full spectrum dominance no matter what the conditions are. and it seems that they are prepared to basically blow up the world in order to maintain the dominance of the, of the european project. and that's why we say to david this, this of this represents the existential threat to collective global. you manage that this a pathological commitment on the part of the, of the white west, if you will, or to maintain global hegemony is putting all of us a threat. and that basically, unless and until we able to ship power from the u. s. u natal project.

all of us are facing the possibility of a. ready global catastrophe. well, peppy, i mean what, what is driving this here? i mean, from the west, there is an ideological for you. is it just economic a gemini? because i always, i tend to fall back on the sense of american exceptionalism, that they, the american elite. and he talks about here, liberal intervention is versus restraints, which i think is a joke because both camps, it, if you want to say they believe in american exceptionalism. and that is the great barrier to accept the fact that we are a pre ordained to run the world. that is something that is part of the american dna . how do they deal with it? pepe. well, in continental europe, it's still the primacy of the ideas of the enlightenment. this is something that we see specially in france and new jersey. yeah. but don't you, don't you think they, i think they're actually in defiance of their own ideal. you know,

thank you probably to process freedom of speech. i'm still know they, it's all, it's all. rubbish. ok. i don't think they haven't been on the enlightenment. go ahead, pepe. yeah. but they don't see it. it's amazing. like i live between east and west as a lot of people know, i just came back from natal stand in trends for almost 3 months and i arrive in in the mood and i feel relieved. i can have an intellectual dialogue in you stumble, which i tried many times to have in paris and it's absolutely impossible. and these people do, you know, they are like men by heart, but they simply don't see how their own ideals are melting nowadays. in the u. k, it's different, it's still a little bit of a white man's burden less and of course in america is in every cielo, of intelligence, also called the data in us is about american exceptionalism. it's an extremely

america centric view of the world. and we don't need to go back to live east coast to once again state that the americas as a rule of thumb simply cannot understand the other. and the problem is the other, which is basically the global south, which is 88 percent of the world's population. now they are finding an alternative model or alternative converging models. and they are trying to build literally a new system of international relations for from the point of view. busy of from an a gym on a point of view, either continental europe, u. k, or america, and the collective west as oh, this is beyond, i'm not to my, this is the ultimate, but it's assumption that they will never happen. history. but peter, this, this mindset when they call it american exceptionalism, but, i mean, and it's eurocentric as well. and it's untenable. i mean,

it's really amazing. you know, you look at europe right now because of what's going on, the ukraine. they have an energy crisis, possible food crisis. they are food bags here, and they still hold these ideas that they're the center of the world. go ahead peter. well they, in some ways they are still very, very relevant and very important. you know, we can discount the west when we're looking at the future of humanity at this point . the problem is that they're so short sighted take the case of biden, yet biden wants to weaken russia. he wants to punish russia. and in order to do so, he is effectively creating conditions in the u. s. and in much of the rest of the world that are going especially in the us. now, the big issue on people's mind is inflation. the cost of living gas, housing, all these real concerns and what biden's policies are doing now in order to punish

russia, is exacerbating that making it worse. creating more suffering is approval ratings are in the low to mid thirty's right now. and what it is, effectively doing is saying he's willing to allow donald trump the republicans, the fascists, the climate and ires pete. apparently nobody had been here. i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on the end of the american century, staying with our team in i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people.

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ah, welcome back to cross stock where all things are considered on peter la built to mind you were discussing the end of the american century. ah. go back to peter in bethesda, i'm sorry, had to cut you off. we had to go to a hard break. go ahead, finish your thought, peter. let me quote, physically, chest. he said in individuals, insanity is rare. but in groups, parties, nations, and ethics. it is the rule. up to this point, i leased to 77 years ago with the atomic bombs at hiroshima and nagasaki. we did not have the power to and life on the planet the way we do now. so i, you see in the united states democracy is very, very fragile. right now, you've got one party committed to destroying american democracy, the little bit democracy. it is still remains in the united states and biden,

in his policy, and his efforts sued to weaken punish russia is bringing about the collapse, the further destruction of american democracy. bringing to trumpets back into power takes no rational sense. and what we're seeing on a global scale right now also makes no rational sense. so, i mean, i think we're at it at a crucial turning point. because the united states, while it might not have the moral authority and might not have the economic power that at once did still has the power to bring the world down. and so that's what makes us so dangerous. and others recognize at the meeting in anchorage between lincoln a sullivan and a 2 chub top chinese foreign policy officials back in march of last year when, why and he says to blanket to sullivan. he says, you don't have the authority to talk to us like this anymore. you can't talk to us when position of strength. well, that's true,

but there is nobody providing international leisure pepe is more optimistic, but he looks at the global south than i am right now. because i see a struggle that is much more dangerous and much more unresolved. i see some positive development. i also see negative ones. i see yoon winning in south korea. i see japan moving sharply to the right. i see a lot of very dangerous trends as well. as some positive ones. ok, let's go to back to cali here. one of the things that i bit of observed here on how the global south is reacted to the situation in ukraine. and i think it's important to state here is that the global south no longer the 1st of all doesn't respect the west any more because of its hypocrisy. but it doesn't fear it is much either. and that is a significant paradigm shift right now, because we see the global south is basically saying, you know, we don't want to get involved in a conflict that you generated. then we can talk about the origins while we want.

but they're saying it's not our fight and why should and then if it, when the idea of sovereignty or you want to protect ukraine sovereignty. but the global south is saying, we're going to protect our sovereignty to by not getting involved in your fight. and i think this is a paradigm shift there, there is no longer respect or fear the west go ahead in cali. but you know what, you know, peter, you, you're right. oh, but i think that what we single this out to is an understanding that in fact power is shifting to, to the non european world if you will. and so there's always been a understanding of the potential power here in the global. so we understood the, the parasitic relationship between the development of the north and the on the development of the south. but now the conditions are, starts to basically there's the possibility of more effective resistance. as to what we see in the globe of are the experiments taken place of the reconstruction of societies along a new past of development and new lines of values. and that is something i think

is very, very positive. one of the things that we have to understand is that what makes the north so incredibly dangerous? is that this, this, this inflated sense over so, you know, but believe that without a leadership globally, be sure that the, that the world can no longer exist, as we know, it goes back to your point about about us exceptionalism. you have your opinion exceptionalism, the psychopath. biology, white supremacists, white supremacist, etiology has to be addressed front and center. the europeans have to understand that they're no longer the center of the world. and again, when they understand that, and we able to, to make that reflect a material reality, that is shifting power from the europeans, that we have the possibility of developing and constructing a new world. ok pepe in this article here by this david bresner a essentially is asking, what is the world like after the american century?

is it a good thing should be we'd be afraid of because i think i think you're right, peter is a little bit more pessimistic. you're a little bit more optimistic where the, where does it go from here? because the global system ever since 945 has been centered on the west, specifically the united states that is slowly drifting away. is that a good thing? a bad thing, a dangerous thing. go ahead, pepe. well, if i was really a passive nihilist not an active night list as nature. i would give up completely in isolate myself, one of volcanic island, somewhere. i still, i still, i still, i'm a writer in writers as you all know the di writing. so i will die writing and at least trying to find a rate of lights into, into this mile strong. edgar alone polls miles from inside. and that's why these

past few years, i have been focusing on what's happening across the region, the development slowly, but surely of all these organizations, this young guy, corporation, organization, eurasia, economic union, now bricks plus, which is something that the chinese and the russians have been pushing for quite a while now, the c s t o o, the projects of the new will so groves and merging with the russian concept of greater ration partnership and how all of these organizations and this, a framework across eurasia is spilling over towards africa, latin america. but to be share here, to be fair here, you know, this is one of the origins of the crisis in ukraine because, you know, ukraine has to be part of the west. because if you have to separate it from russia to weaken russia, the reason why i bring this up, i go to peter right now,

is that i agree with what peppy. have been talking about all these organizations, but the us is not very happy about it because it wants to maintain jeopardy, and that's what makes it a very dangerous country. go ahead, peter. no question about that. you know, at least we see some interesting trends and some hopeful trends. latin america, a lot of progressives are winning elections now and lula hopefully will come back to power. in brazil there are some good things happening. but then we also see this august deal. i, india is a very important player, is the biggest, the 2nd biggest country in the world, and will soon be the, the largest country in the world. and is trying to, like many countries that people don't want to choose sides. the u. s. is trying to force, that's right, countries to choose sides again. and people are resisting. and that's a positive part of the positive trend of puppies. i correctly identifying. but we

have such big problems that we need to somehow figure out a way for the u. s. in the europeans to get back in the game in a positive sense. because even if we talk look about global warming. if the that what, what one of the consequences of what this war that the russian invasion of ukraine is setting back the need for boot dealing aggressively with global warming setting this back potentially for years is and so yeah, but, but peter did say no, and you try to convince me that these people actually believe this about climate change. i mean, if it is so existential, so dire, and they flip on it on a dime. no, we have to go after russia 1st. i mean, are they sincere people? are they just buffoons? well then up the phones that's, that's part of the problem and they can be dangerous it because of their ideology, because the way they view the world and this goes back to the start of the cold war

. you know, i, it, ronald, this started found most important document for me as a memo. they've george kennan rotan, 948. when he says the u. s. has 6.3 percent of the world's population, but controls 50 percent of the world health. in our how we can to maintain this position of disparity. we live in a world that where the richest 8 people have more wealth than the pores for 1000000000 people. more and more people are falling into poverty, you know, and so we have serious, serious, crazy, and that, that, that we've got that's what neoliberalism is created for all of us. ok. let's go back to cali because when i think is really interesting, is it with the rise of the global? so it doesn't seem to be very ideological to me. i mean, i, i look at, you know, sovereignty prosperity. i mean, those are simple ideas to understand and not all this garbage that's coming out of the west rules based order. whatever that means. ok, i mean, i think what we need is more pragmatism. unless ideology,

go ahead and cali will. you know, we need that and we also need to chose to include in the picture, the parasitic relationship, the non exportation is, was driving much politics here. and so also that they understand that we can no longer continue in a relationship of dependency with the global north with of the, the global capital, a system that is dependent on the continuation of the oppression exportation of people around the world. so that's why people don't want to be pulled into this conflict in europe, even though they are being detrimentally impacted by this conflict. there's also why the u. s. as unable us in europe is unable to, to bring people long, politically, an ideologically, to go to south. because people sock, remember that job was zalinski, and ukraine are tempted to try to re negotiate the dead dead payments with europe. we remember that most of the global south nations failed to get any kind of relief

are from, from debt payments at the height of the pandemic. so these kinds of relationships are fresh in our minds and therefore these moral appeals to join them in there are glorious struggle against the rushes fall on death is we recognize again that until there is a, until we undermine be the prestige of the west. this notion of the, of the west, of being the leaders of humanity and that we all should be striving to, to, to, to, to be a part of that. and to see that as a model and so on. the west understands average the people, the west understand that they no longer be the sensor that we're going to continue with this, these appeals to exceptionalism. and for that, for that to well, i guess the big question is, can we survive the, the period after the american center? we're all going to find out because it's not happening right now gentlemen, that's all the time we have here. i want to thank my guests in college,

but that's that and assemble and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c a next time. remember, cross with the so called enhanced interrogation techniques used by us officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind. if you force a human being to stay in a certain position, you can take very long to the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating. nobody clean things around you. you want to doing it to. now we started adopting those techniques when i was station and mosul among them were stress positions, sleep deprivation and usually type of therm. yeah. there's already beginning to be

evidence that these old techniques are now being used on immigrants and children, whatever you do or more comes home. nobody has been held accountable for the torture that happened in the past. and the moral authority that made america with the shimmer of effective interrogation ah, the was so it's a union go out losing massive amounts of re medical or years. and then basically we need to do anything to earn some money. we should or a to western word some to say, and these change completes the landscape or for you to see because it went towards or more. i'm not, you know, anybody with

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