a lot of goddesses, a kaleidoscope on foreign, georgia is a great talk to you. thank you very much for time, and congratulations on this amazing book. thank you very much. thank you. now, as i said, you're joining us for a little bit here in russia. it is a subject of many lower than politically incorrect jokes about the hot finished man coupled with the data. you're citing your book that 9 out of 10 finish man, up consumers a for and i one day if there's something in the health and air that not only spark your interest, but also gave you the sort of design courage to explore a property like that. no, i don't think it would be my even examine the i am from the i don't usually and i'm here to have seen key on the 13 years ago. actually the interesting such as don't be any writing something started long ago and they started reading many books about format that i could find. and then i came to the conclusion that leasing

the union and there was nothing recent about it. and generally in the 2nd environment or in is always a rescue, logical sides. and i thought it was missing a kind of exploration of the old form itself. and what about the parent site? like you said? so this started long before my coming to seeing him. and by the way, yes, in the book i mention this data about consumers. this very interesting research because it was a very long research. you started 1970 and they were wiring many dimensions. i'm trying to be off to the present time, but i know that other research is in different countries in the west that they said, basically this one results. so it's not only seen the thoughts are actually

everywhere in western countries. there is this kind of resolves like 9 man on 10 and maybe nowadays 767 women, all over town. you go home consumer. so i don't know all the hawks ladies disrespected as many jokes about the temperament of the spanish people here in russia. in your book, you show very elegantly how for one from an obscure, somewhat the least fascinations to a mass phenomena. and i think found with 50 years for starting with legalize ation in denmark and them in the united states in the 1970s. and i was surprised to learn that the collapse of the soviet union be in the country where i was born and also needed a major contribution to the industries in what way. well formed, developed for many or let's say for a 100 years probably in

a very nice style for just the accessible by few people in the taking the western countries. like you mentioned that by the end of the sixties and the beginning of the seventy's born or production and distribution was allowed just by goals in some countries starting with denmark in the us down francy to the and many other countries. so my book is about mass form, so it's mostly to the period of the last few years and especially dedicated to 24 men, the sexual men. this is important to say is the phenomenon to say why nowadays? so i tried to focus on what is still the mainstream for an hour and during the seventy's and the former was a kind of side, the industry to industry. and actually there were unions in many countries and actors is they were trying to structure their work as any other work.

but when so with the union collapsed, there was a massive amounts of women most of all years. and women basically we need to do anything in order to earn some money which poured into the western world. so to say, and these change completely the landscaper for an industry because it went towards a more, i'm not sure anybody with their camera could feel my new something and the, and then the internet also during the ninety's. so basically, these 2 factors together created a new landscape where all the unions and also the rules of the previous to see were swept away by using, you know, so yes, the coming from, especially you playing bellows on the and russia actress. so to say

change the landscape, correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i heard you say in other engineers, it's not just about the the nature of oregon, how actress is paid and how they're protected. but also about the style should have been the aim of the product itself because i heard you say before the back in the seventy's and eighty's. it was much more about the neutral pleasure, but damage shifted to formal violence and dominating kind of genre g. you attribute that to a cultural influx of women from before somebody union or is it just the, the nature of time itself, or the nature of male sexuality that has changed the word farm? this is a very interesting question. i would say that the the availability of women willing to do anything went well together with the,

with the increasing you're going to want the stream was already present in the seventy's and made his body was more regulated, especially in the seventy's since the previous decade. the 60 in the west would be changes, so from changes there was family history, movements and movements. so in that moment the fact that was representing female sexuality as a joy, fool, and disconnected from procreation. as a pleasure for women, it was a new thing. adamant in that moment. so it was already extreme during the seventy's name. i mean we can find the extreme back to them too. but that fear was much different from the current form, which has been much about using a woman for me,

a pleasure. i wouldn't dare to say that there was a cultural contribution from the side of the women. i think patriot was already there. and the idea that actually we could exploit all these. we're going to do anything just was your markets advantage. so now one of the essential ideas in your book is that technological inventions, in your demonstrate, how important is a logical invention. i'm not national tools, they don't just satisfy me when they form and shave them some times with pretty malicious, insidious motives. i wonder how do you yourself try to maintain it's not an autonomy you've done some degree of dependency on on those technological tools, forums and anything out. yeah, also this is very wide and interesting question. in

a way human beings have always be technology goes on the very 1st time when somebody created the container to bring the water from the river to the cavern, which already baffled the technology convention, something out of the nature. but definitely the last 100 years saw a dramatic change in our landscape to the point that they knology according to the feel on prevention and us that there was a lot in the book became the subject of history and actually premium we as human beings are on the co, historical to technology. so definitely will even if acknowledged a word that is just one of the manual objects technology. but all of this objects that surround us. and that is not only a tool in our hands and depends on how we use bad. this is a kind of a nice position for me to anders. he's claims that actually we should be worried about how technology uses us. which is the reverse perspective,

where technology actually can change deeply our human, our emotions and the way we are in the world. it's a fact that technology is the current word, so i don't think that we can, we can imagine a word without it. it's a very, very difficult processed balance. our relationship with technology within that there knology or we're. i think that the starting point is to question seriously our technology, the landscape. and i, i mean, i try to do is even though the topic is much wider than or your mentor under the german industrial, a lot of our who in many ways was ahead of his time for telling the dangers of being inflamed by technology so much so that his 2nd book of athletes was titled the lesson man. i know that you don't like judging or moralizing in any way,

but do you think by and large, 40 years after the publication of this book we have come to just don't be in for kind of being proven that people are not all of them, but by and large losing touch not only with the free period in them or but also the bodies because when you look at hornets, both the fear this just embodied in the same time as a trans union of offers is a union without a union. yes, yes, you're right. yeah, i personally, i think the word is 5 by now present. i really wonder how he would have to see the current needs and then more for example there on because many sections were based on radio g spectrum. anything

she was foreseen talking to are really much more talking about the current. although he died i think he, agents so before the ancient. yeah, i do believe that she is the soap in word is, is present in this moment. i know that there are many other seems, there's much more positive about ecology and they just say the normal development. so human consciousness are going toward that i am closer to this worries, so to say and the responsibility to discuss. i am worried that the more well interestingly that despite human beings so much ahead of his time, he is not widely published in english. you know that, that is, you know, we usually think of the western world as the,

and the driver of both the 3rd and the 4th industrial revolution. and yet, they are very few translations of his work that mostly on an amateur in nature. i wonder if that is just an unfortunate happenstance to you, or if the thing is that are a form of deliberate and intellectual ostracizing. yeah, well as an analyst it's hard enough to think of that. those of me use regression on this work issue. sure. but now will be finally published in english. i found out this year there is a big work. i think it's published in america about around this works in general is some 500 pages book. so they have now finally translated to something and spoken to him. it's interesting because his 1st born was published, the end of the 2nd world war 248, i think. and the 2nd one, the eighty's or 1988. and i could find

a translation and it was already existing since the sixty's, but in the world. so to say it's funny, last year maybe august, so i see it as a little bit of a regression because it was a very voice, especially for him. and he was also contemporary of young. and i think union ideas are also seeing a bit of a revival, so maybe it's a synchronistic around it in a way that we're coming back to prominence anyway, you're do we have to take a very short break right now. we'll be back in just a few moments. they can a ah, ah, ah,

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yes. oh yeah. ah oh ah ah ah, ah ah, welcome back to wells the parts at georgia, mechanical, the psychologist, and also lost god assist a kaleidoscope on foreign georgia before the brief it touched on this very central idea in your book as well as in the work of good there on there's that now logical

inventions are not natural tools. they not only satisfy our needs but also shape and foster them. and sometimes they even create our needs. and you provide a very interesting example of coca cola as something that for many people essentially managed to hijack that basic need for 30 stand by claiming to satisfy and it actually increases it. and i think that's a very sort of common thing within the big food industry as well as within the big pharma industry because they're very lot of very obnoxious images there. if you look at the most prevalent disease is metabolic diseases, right now be diabetes, dementia, a, b, c. many of them would be trace to people being hooked on certain foods or uncertain habits. and i think one is a perhaps, to read, recreating the same dynamic and certain populations. it could be very helpful to

some very imaginative to some but in many people, it also creates a dixon and i understand it's a very complex question. i had to send you don't like passing judgments, but where do you think we should start in terms of both assigning responsibility? because you know how budgets are something that we are all concerned about? it is a public good and also helping people develop a helpful and sort of mutually respectful relationship with technology and the new inventions and the industries that produce them. yes. yeah, your questions are always there. they will require a lot of time for you to reflect on where she's ok. well, i would say that taking the example corner the aim of my book was to show different sides of it, which is something that i didn't find in many books. i called the book

a kaleidoscope for dia, that every chapter should have been a color and all the colors together. they were for me to come to school so that the reader can turn the book. so do say, and see maybe some configurations or others. i saw from these in order to by the question mean that normally is a complex form is having to see many colors and, and embrace this complexity is this 1st step we have to do before doing what you are asking. the same about technology technologies are very complex. why is lots of reflections and so just say deepening here many aspects before we, we can decide something about what can we do in order not to be just addicted. so i thought it was me too many books or was this

complexity. they were only focusing on some, for example, addiction or a logical version. but form is, is a very complex object that actually is just a good seymour, many other phenomena of our work. so what you asked requires 1st of all to know much better, so much a deeper level a and then we can try to understand what can we do about it. well, we can invite out here to get your book and reflect on it, but i can tell you from a personal perspective, that one of the very simple but for some reason, very insightful idea for me. it was that, that, that mean not just leave it in our bodies, but we are the body and the desiring bodies and your book demonstrates in

a very interesting way. and there is, i think, a huge difference in perceiving yourself as living in the body. and actually imagining your sound that same body i can you, can you speak about that a little bit? yes, this is, this is an important point. because for example, and experience technology can get to a screen basically where speaking nowadays or videos or features. how technology invites kind of splits with the bobby. because we look at some checks and sex performance. and the only senses that we are using in that moment are basically sides and hearing because there is but actually sex as a real experience as an important experience. so it would be much more involving the others, like a smell. and parchments tool is very interesting how,

like you said before, these are kind of mutation of opposites. like why is a sexual thing, but actually doesn't have anything to do with the sexual, embody experience because we're just sitting in front of the screen. there's nothing a physical, there are some people, there are some physical things. i mean, my only physical people, not just watch they, i think use that imagination. and sometimes that happens to all of that. i mean, there is not the an embodied experience with the people are shouts, but it's not, it's not the same thing as a real sexual support. you can actually ask you about them because i think this is a fascinating question on sexuality is one of the sort of 5 basic things that's calling an identified. and i think more than others, it requires the presence of the other, you know. yeah. and you unions like to talk about the the benefits

of living and imagination. but i perhaps a downside to that. as a clinical psychologist. what are some of the dangers of living out too much of your sexuality in this imaginary re out? yes, this is also very important to i believe that the union, but all of the 2nd i need to work. let's say it's very much leaning on the variables side and we can to not to get too much attention to the body, but there are movements. so to say in the 2nd world that are trying to improve the body level much more. and there are very interesting crossovers between, for example, you theory and authentic move manager or dance therapy and other teams that more than body. so yeah, me,

there is always nice to disconnect from the girl and body experience. there is the need to keep a lot of these together like the imagination, but also the, the body lever. so important just technology object, the vice discrete from the body experience in a way. and this is one example. i mean this is happening a lot with ecology that we can disconnect from the body. we can disconnect from the emotions. we can disconnect even from ethics because we just watch a video with our responsibility and what's going on and that maybe some violence video or something at the speaker will that we wouldn't, we would never do reality. still, we are enjoying something which is violent. so there's a lot of questions that are poor by these things, and definitely try to reconnect the body and mind of much more also in the union. the theory put out the wrong because if we look at the data,

despite these very wide availability of the people around the developed world, having less tax their having, it's later in life. it's also less creative, not only because of their birth control, but also because of the precipitous balling prone cones in many of the one man. if you step outside the corn for a while, what do you think is happening with human sexuality in general? within the larger view of technology and the 4th industrial revolution that we're about to enter. yeah, well, on one hand, there are many signs of crisis like you were mentioning on the other. i'm reading so many interesting books that are address and sexuality in new ways and they're interested in ways. i her mind the book a speech, the authors fema authors. but i am reading

a lot of books about sexuality and couple relationship and already emory. and many you say developments also relate sex. so like you said in the beginning, there are always some opposite phenomena happening at the same time. there is a crisis of the previous way, maybe sexuality, the patriot prizes, investing. also, the way to try to get has always be tended and hopefully you know you elements and circulate, you will change the landscape in the future. so i hope that we will have all better sex and better relationship. i'm yeah, well, and have a better relationship with reality, which i think is the goal of any psychological school, but especially in psychology, seen as one of the allow me out reality to really real gone like

magic to mere mortals. since you have the goddesses in the title, what do they have to do with i can base activity as well. yeah, i know we have a very short time left to so i just tried to make a huge about maybe, maybe the listener will be curious to see in the, in the more extensive way. and i had the say, the hypotheses that a factor of fascination for form should be found also outside the usual logical explanations is definitely fascinating for the majority of men and women around the world, including one of the genders. and i believe that's a reducing everything to a to narrowing. so my hypothesis is that actually a corner, it's possible to find some sheens to walking on the ear as was connected to the

sake of a big topic or you know, the years to say there was a place, a place beyond the bad a place or place of the got the place of the human beings. so in a very strange way, or somehow something has to do with her and she did that and i explain it in the book, but it's really along their topic now. and so the reason i say that the form that there is some hint to the secret that actually is fascinating because believe that the sucker eyes were a statement that is dead. we can say that the secret has disappeared as a you know, any union of what they have replied to you that but canada, and there is

a whether he is called the not the, the guys are still present it. it's a matter of seeing and perceiving them and having a right relationship with them to, to have to leave it there. i wish i could have more time to discuss fascinating book, and i invite our readers to, to get it that you have an advantage over russians. i think it's still available around the world on amazon. so to take a chance on that. thank you very much. or stand up with this possibility to talk think and thank you. what you hope to hear again next week, all the part ah with . mm

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