in budapest, he's a pastor at the god which will be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have to meet bob and she's a political analyst and editor at you know me internet media project or a gentleman crossed up rules. in fact, that means you can jump anytime you want, and i would appreciate it when i start out with george in budapest, georgia, very simple question. does the you have a coherent energy policy because it seems like, you know, i don't want to use a heat metaphor, but i, well there their hair is on fire talking about how to deal with energy during the summer. in the upcoming winter. they want to cut so dependence on russia, but they're terrified as i said in my introduction that it could be shut off. i mean, what is it? go ahead. that's exactly right. and so we have on the one hand or a and e u, a president of the commission was that we are going to cut us off completely from russian fossil fuels. and we will never be dependent on them again. and then the

next thing she does around the uses russia, although withholding energy supplies, you know, holding back gas, you know, and they using gas as a political weapon. so you awesome, well, do you want russian gas or don't you want russian? yes, you can get a straight answer. i mean, depends on what time of day you ask the question and this is really low point. they have been using russia for months and months of using gas as a weapon. when the only people would be using energy as a weapon, as in the, you know, i mean the, you know, that was what they say they bad russian colon bose. then they say we're not going to have any a. 1 russian oil in both starting in december and then they closed down the street to before even start the operating. and then because we had brain closing off one,

i do transpose russian gas into europe. and then we have the, you know, the sanction is coming from canada when a compressor that was needed repairing center, siemens in germany, germany sent it to canada, canada. so no, we're not returning it because it's sanctioned, as of all the issues being driven from the western end of the propaganda is that somehow russia is using energy as a weapon. when, when did that happen? well, a demon, i mean, the real political weapon here has been sanctions. the only thing that's really changed with russian energy policy. visa, the europe is that the russian said this, the base of started charging in rubles, which it makes perfect sense because of the sanctions and the, and then those swift system, russia being shut out. i mean if they, if they continue paying in dollars or euro's, it would just be froze, it encompass dated. so i mean, that's the only significant change. and we all of the upper or over north stream

one. well it's, it's back in business. ok. most of the gas is flowing again. i mean, it doesn't really make any sense to me what they want to do, and there is no unity in the european union. so what russia is supposed to do, these are the, the, the, you have to deal with independent in the, in the, of the individual members of the you. because the, you, as a whole, has no coherent policy. what say you, lima? well, i think sometimes you just place all the stuff on just a very often they just use this phrase. fortune is using gas as a wiper. they don't even add that political. so people have these. oh, terrible images. oh wow. so this is a terrible phrase. you have to say in your, you know, so these people, i deeply desire even in the way the express does not. but you are able to write

about the collective incentives. the problem with you is that the sum of its members is a lot less ration then. busy every member they can need to get your, i mean, all of the most tragic, most plateful just you don't. so the you are going to i mean, the situation with russia is just the way, just example, the experts in germany, for example, that add on conference. you know, he says basically like a is always 100 percent dependent on the russian guess. bulgaria is almost 100 percent event. this is in the magazine dungeon. so even in germany thinks that it can provide for itself. who is thinking about we'll get back at

the 2nd the 2nd such example is, is syria. i'm in the and that's remember all the events develop or key. there were disturbances, there are products in syria and, and do ever so instead, all either stay in europe or helping off that vision for find some need or the road solution. the you can left, you really support the position and we know the result. you know, the civil war that can do so all of them most painful. so they, you connect to, you know, i'm terrified when voice. there's no collective though there's no solidarity here. george is in the country right now in hungry. they basically won't say it on this program bit. they went their own way. we put it that way, george. yeah, no, that's right. the early last week the hungarian foreign minister b c. r. hello to moscow. breaking ranks with the rest of the you and

signed the agreement with russia for 700000000 metric tons of natural gas. did it? is that a hungry needs a gas as a well, we're not sharing any of those gas with anyone. with a day off, the european commission issued this new dig that of demanding the all you member states to reduce the gas consumption by 15 percent. and then that would be a protest from a number of states including spain and portugal, and greece saying, well, why should we come back when our gas use? this is a german problem. it is very much a part of the way the germans do this. i mean,

the germans make these big decisions and then they force everyone else to live with a decision. i mean, casing point is of course the, the decision of i'm going to model 2015 to start bringing in immigrants into europe, which everyone else was on the under of an obligation to say, well, have a peculiar understanding of solidarity, don't they have it? we do it. everybody else that voluntarily. yes. that yeah, exactly. and in fact it was germany that has been very dependent on russian. yes. and then he was germany that made these extraordinary decisions like counseling those stream to at the very last moment. and so, and this is why the europeans allow, say, you know, a well, where was germany when we needed them after the 2008 crisis. and we need a bailout, something to john and say, well, sorry, we don't have the money to bail,

went out. so now is that the europeans are supposed to bail germany as well. and also we had, over the last few days, we had threatening to shut pipeline that was supplying europe that you know, that we've been agreed to. and so, you know, it again, just adds to the quandary here. i mean, russia threatened to cut off energy, but it's ukraine. that is reckoning the cut off russian energy customers in europe . so i mean when, where's the, where's the anger towards the ukrainians, per threatening juris energy security? go ahead d, but doesn't make any sense. well, it makes sense, but i was logically, there you go. that's made. but it may sound well for the story. it was what was the was just all state's opposing north gym. bon and north seem to be said that these russian get has to go. so the grain will

get russia said, all you know, we are going to continue to supply through the brain, but doesn't make sense to have a bad another you know, no way to deal with. now that there is basically this terrible confrontation within russia and ukraine. your brain is charging some of these by saying that that's why and what they call the occupied. so i mean, rush to gain weight even though it was the united states and it was the you that said the usual all rely but you bring bolts to do. is eunice dim explained to our audience, your, what does the united states happen to be in energy? can you explain me? why do they poking their beak into something that is so important?

talking about, you know, the size of a condo here, we're talking about people going to be warm in the winter. you're absolutely right . united space. not and you know, but this russian drummond pipeline. i mean, what we'll do, i'd say that, oh, with oppose a pipeline from canada, united states, but in fact, why they're doing these for us. brilliant, you know, and he created all the programs in american, had supplied. but we never even thought about raising any questions about pipelines in mexico and neither these candidates do most of these things. so he has the right to, you know, to pronounce judgment. one rus russell. the project to impose sanctions on the company to participate in it. and before that stage savaged and worked against sol screen, which was basically an air supply and chief gas country for

a reason recently. well, in fact, part of the problem, the reason why i read crisis is going to be a voice. if they had the rush or it would be so, but it was the you, the, you were paying commission and great a stand tonight, the speech that basically did everything, but be solid in order never comes to the door. but i guess my question is, what a rhetorical in the united states have to do with european energy security? well, it's all about money. they want them to buy american energy when you know is being fossil fuels are being attacked in the us. so there's only one outcome here, a higher, right, so the europeans. but to get up and cheat russian energy and paper very expensive gulf in american in. wow, that's a brilliant move, isn't it? go ahead. no, it is. and of course, it makes the europeans very competitive. you're already has problems with keeping

up with east asia. but now the one thing that they had, which was very reliable source of energy, russia, now they've given that out and they've done it on the american pressure. they call they can grade as under american, russian americans who press are great membership and they, those, the americans continue to provoke them to provoke and basically a little hard on some real estate with our ah, ah, a

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ah, welcome back to cross but we're all things are considered ib labelle. this is the home edition to remind you were discussing some realtors. oh well he was go back to de la, here it in moscow. from centrally, when we look at just a conflict in ukraine, at least for the west, a, they, they won't say it out loud, but you know, it's not about freedom. it's not about to mocks, not about territorial. that's all that we keep hearing on the airways. but it's really about energy here and not fossil fuel energy. it's all about green energy. and ukraine is being used as a segue to push the transition. this is something that, you know, this is

a gleeful about it. they're gleeful about because they don't have to bring it to their people and vote on it. they'll say it just because you know, rules based order and all of this type of stuff here. but at the same time, and this is what i need to explain, they're opening up whole mines again and we'll make natural gas, maybe isn't so dirty here. i mean, what are their priorities here? because if they on one hand, you know, it's, you know, territorial integrity. on the other hand, it's re new deal. but they keep interweaving in clashing with each other and they can't make up their mind. what is their priority thema? well i have, i would say not the privilege but the duty. ready to read the warning german press and i'm just read it. we don't have to thank you. a side, you know, they the right that 62 percent of the germans for the government's advice. and now the work themselves a few times a week and a for alissa. ok. 162 percent of people already believe this crap.

and you know, the way that the government is dealing with people in terms of why you have to read, you know, that the temperature, you know, possible you have to watch. i mean that these people who use russian channel there you but we know what he told you the difference between authoritarian and to put it there in the jeeps. florida gmc okay, dont probably security just on your presence by the 20 days. you say, how often wash yourself which theater ways you could go to which books you should read, you know how to educate your children. so in this situation, during our walks su with terry and stated, they tell their people how to wash, what is what for their house. there is a very, very strange theory. now that washing very often makes is bad for power, right? and it's just the plain,

and the problem with that in states is that they use ideology, engaged mass against mathematics. i mean in gear force, which is a huge or berry what management model, their best interest, robert. all the handle on the spot. he just gave a mathematical analysis or what's, what's it? germany has 14000000 households. 20000000 of them are heated by guess. rational gas, it calls for 55 percent. how are going to do without ok? so this is a mathematical question. then i know what you could answer. what ran it. worse for short periods of time. you know, don't use your car, don't use your i don't know what else i can wait. i mean, it smacks all the sudden even worse. well, i mean it, it, george, i mean a, is this, i think going back to the 1840s. i mean,

i'm trying to understand what's going on in the world is a super competitive police. but and, and then we look at the europeans, you know, i mean, what, what is it, you know, pragmatism isn't ideology. can they marry the 2? it seems that they, they're, they're, they're, they're pushing thing that are dis, diametrically opposed to each other. and the result is cold and lack of productivity and you know, the world passes them by and some kind of backwater and this is all done intentionally. go ahead. yes, it is a short reason. there's been this seamless transition from lee cove is area now to the the energy standard. i mean, it's just you, you don't even notice it. so we was screaming at the anti back says the non mosque, whereas the people who were protesting against the lock down, you know, they were with them because they refused to express social solidarity. they were

entirely selfish, and we were supposed to hate them. so now we're rapidly going to be moving into a new era with don't want to share out the energy. i mean, i'm going to live really in the process. you know, they don't want to share out a gas, and they can design their own deals with russia. and so this is now everyone who is going to be taking showers of a to long, you know, they're, they're going to be the, it, i guess that's a new thing. shower shaming. is that, i mean, exactly, you know, people, you know, watch the car, you know, more than once a month. so if you ever, now somebody going to be a to fall in be insufficiently expressing solidarity and of course will be good. so this, this isn't the how you know this as a no one ever really

for the barrel with it is the same. no one really kind of a, you know, to the, from the mental questions about the go with no one will on the mental question to what end is old is, why are we making the sacrifice? no, you're just going to shop and just get with the program or else, you know, we're going to publish it. like go big shot too long in the shower. we had 0 with 0 cobra. now we have 0 fossil fuel. ok. niema. let me go to you. i mean, usually when these unusual and very strident demands of people, it's during a momentary crisis. ok, momentary. so, you know, what i mean by that is that, you know, when the crisis will come to an end and you know, back not, this is completely open ended. i'll get you started saving, 15 years. you're told to say 15 percent on energy towards what end. i mean it will that make the situation better? how alleviated they don't have any answers. there's no,

there's no exit from this. it just seems it's going to be a cumulative. are they going to never 40 percent, then 60 percent. and the results will be the same. i don't understand what, what they're driving at what their goal is. go ahead. logical this, i'm sorry, is i want to go to write something like this. oh, our people are paid by about 19 percent celsius inside the ohms, least while people with russia have been through so many difficult just that much more like sustainable. so i mean this is difficult that they will, they need it. so call me ok. make any sense of prices. that means that you should be making sacrifices. ok, 15 percent less. today's 20 percent less tomorrow. don't ask why. well, if you ask us why?

because, you know, if you ask us, why did we support your greenwich in 2014, don't expect us from all these other people. you know, we have to see places change. so we're not responsible with these people. did they take their, i mean, on their own the, they're all gauge and nice, nice, nice groups. you know, i don't ask any questions that ask a question and you know, via and also what is very important is you always required isis. and 2nd at that is you always intimidates, you will all die from point. there will be a climate if you don't listen to us and if you don't course with cold water glam, it will collapse. you know. so basically let me remind your heater basically broaden germans into into was you said that we have not enough space off. let us

wrong. if we don't expand into years, we're all going to die. and that was a lie because germans on a much more energy off of the world war to create a sustainable economy which fed not only them, but a segue is perfectly the last question i have for george here, you're right. we have the german economic miracle because there was cheap soviet then that later, russian gas. so, george, you know, on a global scale here, the global south is saying, you know, the europeans got really rich because they had access to very cheap fossil fuels, primarily oil and gas. so now they're looking, they're stepping up and say, our turn we would like that energy to do exactly what the europeans had and what they are they willing to give up? but we'll make it in line. we'll take it. that's exactly what's happening. yes,

yes. but the strange thing is that the europeans and the extent the americans are weighted to an e. ology that is propagated by the world economic forum and, and they were and it's not entirely clear what the deal is other than they want to reduce the population of the world. i mean, i back their agenda and green energy somehow sold in with that of the gender as was the, the fear of pandemic. and, and of course, you know, a people having children or anything like that. so it's, it's a part of the same things. are they using this crisis of ukraine, essentially to use the fossil fuels or the move to the renewable? they know perfectly well there is no way in the world that germany can continue to be an economic powerhouse relying on solar panels and when

they're pushing it. and you have to think that based on how don't want europe in the united states to be got the engine for growth. i mean, they want to continue to be prosperous themselves. they don't really want to extend this prosperity to others. it seems, you know, the europeans want to set an example for the world, but that's something that we see here. and, you know, you know, eventually, you know, they'll be carbon changing in this country uses too much carbon. you know that, that will be, you know, it will be another reason for nato or to be, are they think they're ready to be ok, but i mean, but it doesn't work logically because then they become less competitive. they become, or they come more irrelevant. and so everyone, the learning i think that will be don't do what drives you with the grow the last 30 seconds. are you wanting to get speaker magazines? will radius all in europe? extreme is all the groups not only about which are concerned about it,

but also about energy crisis. so they're all extreme is now people out and there was one person who said that basically by these already see europe is destroying european main campus that was sent that title. yeah, i'm just going to chill. ah, so i look at and i'm not saying it on my own, but as i said, it would be your magazine. this is all, it seems, this is all extreme to back these whole conspiracy theories. right? well, it will have is, will any, or at least in the winter coming up will have cold capitalism. ok to see how that feels. ok, feel out. ok. i'm watching themselves a, digging further in into their problems. it's extraordinary to witness gentlemen. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests in budapest and here in moscow, i want to thank our viewers from watching us. here are t, remember across up rules. ah

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