energy, well, at the same time terrified moscow might terminate supplies altogether at any time. for the e. u. energy policy is an ideological struggle. oh, discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, george samuel in budapest. he's a pastor and the guy which will be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet bob and she's a political analyst and editor at you know me internet media. all right, gentlemen, crossed up rules and back. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i would appreciate it when i start out with george in budapest, george very simple question. does the you have a coherent energy policy because it seems like, you know, i don't want to use a heat metaphor, but i, well there their hair is on fire talking about how to deal with energy during the summer. in the upcoming winter. they want to cut so dependence on russia,

but they're terrified as i said in my introduction that it could be shut off. so i mean, what is it? go ahead. that's exactly right. and so we have on the one hand a n d u president of the commission, we said we are going to cut us off completely from russian fossil fuels and we will never be dependent on them again. and then the next day, she turns around and uses russia, although withholding energy supplies, you know, holding back gas, you know, and they using gas as a political weapon. so you awesome, well, do you want russian gas or don't you want russian? yes, you can get a straight answer. i mean, depends on what time of day you ask the question. and this is really why they have been using russia for months and months of using our gas as a weapon. when the only people would be using energy as a weapon, as in the,

you know, i mean the, you know, it was, well, they say a russian colon pause then they say we're not going to have any. 1 russian oil in both starting in december and then they close down the stream to before it even started a grain closing off one of its a due transport, russia, gas, europe. and then we have the, the sanctions coming from canada when a compressor that was needed repairing center, siemens and germany, germany center, canada, canada. so no, we're not returning it because it's sanctioned as well. all the issues being driven from the western end of the propaganda is the somehow in russia is using energy as a weapon. when, when did that happen? well, a demon. i mean, the real political weapon here has been sanctions. the only thing that really

changed with rush and energy policy bes, of europe, is that the russians that they gave us the base started charging in roubles, which it makes perfect sense because of the sanctions and the, and then those swift system, russia being shut out. i mean, if they continue paying in dollars or euro's it would just be froze, it encompass dated. so i mean, that's the only significant change. and we all of the upper or over north stream one. well it's, it's back in business. ok. most of the gas is flowing again. i mean, it doesn't really make any sense to me what they want to do, and there is no unity in the european union. so what is russia supposed to do? these are the, the, the, you have to deal with independent in the, in the, in the individual members of the you because the, you, as a whole, has no coherent policy. what say you the mom? well, i think sometimes you just plays all the stuff on just a very often they just use this phrase.

butcher is using a gas as a wiper. they don't even have the political. so people have these. oh, terrible images. oh wow. so this is a terrible chris, you said in your so these people i don't even in the way the express does not. but you are right about the what i would collect incentives you. the problem with you is that the song with members is a lot less ration than every member they need to get you. i mean, all the most tragic, more playful. just you don't. so the, you are taken collective. i mean, the situation with russia is just the latest example, the experts in germany, for example, the n e o and company. you know,

basically like a 100 percent dependence on russian guess. bulgaria is almost 100 percent event. this is india. it's damaged. so even if germany thinks that it can provide for itself who is thinking about the gary, this will make it right. the 2nd the 2nd such example is syria. i mean that's remember all the events develop. ok, there were disturbances, there are products in syria and, and do ever so instead, all either stay neutral or how been off of the need or the role solution the you can left to really support the position and we know the result. you know, the civil war and years, so all of them most painful. so the, you connect if you know, i'm terrified,

voice, there's no collective though there's no solidarity here. george is in the country right now in hungry. they basically will, i won't say it on this program bit. they went their own way. it was put it that way . george. yeah, no, that's right. last week, a foreign minister, a go, flew to moscow breaking ranks with the rest of the you and signed the agreement with russia for 700000000 metric tons of natural gas. did it? is that a hungry needs a gas as a well, we're not sharing any of those gas with anyone. with a day off, the european commission issued this new dig that are demanding the all you member

states reduce a gas consumption by 15 percent. and then that would be a process from a number of states including spain and portugal, and greece saying, well, why should we come back when our gas use? this is a german problem. it is very much a boss of the way the germans do this. i mean, the germans make these big decisions and then they force everyone else to live with a decision. i mean, case in point is of course the, the decision of i'm going to model 2015 to start bringing in immigrants into europe, which everyone else was on the under of an obligation to say, well, have a peculiar understanding of solidarity, don't they have it? we do it. everybody else that voluntarily. yes. that yeah, exactly. and in fact it was germany that has been very dependent on russian. yes.

and then he was germany that made these extraordinary decisions like counseling, those for him too. at the very last moment. and so, and this is why the europeans are now saying, you know, a well, where was germany when we needed them out of the 2008 crisis, and we need a bailout. and suddenly the gentleman say, well, sorry, we don't have the money to bail anyone out. so now is that the europeans off the bus. ready to bail germany as well. and also we had, over the last few days, we had threatening to shut up pipeline that was supplying europe that you know, that there's been agreed to. and so, you know, it again, just adds to the quandary here. i mean, russia threatened to cut off energy, but it's ukraine. that is reckoning the cut off russian energy customers in europe . so, i mean, where's the, where's the angered towards the ukrainians for threatening europe's energy security?

go ahead, doesn't make any sense. well, it makes sense, but logically, there you go. that's made, but it may sound well for the i'm sorry, it was what was the was just all state's upholding jim bon unrolled student to they said that these rush and get has to grow. so the grain will get russia said, all you know, we are wanting to continue to supply through the brain, but that just makes sense to me now that you can so i guess no, no, no way to go through. now that is basically a terrible confrontation with russia and ukraine. your brain is charging some of these. i stay in the line what they call the occupied. so

i mean, roughly to gain weight, even though it was the united states and it was the you that said the usual all rely but green goals to do is this dim explained to our audience, what does the united states happen to be in energy? can you like me? why did they put poking their beak into something that is so important? we're not talking about, you know, the size of our because here we're talking about people going to be warm in the winter. you're absolutely right. united states not. and you know, with this russian drummond pipeline, i mean, what we'll do, i'd say you said oh, with the pose a pipeline from canada, united states. but we in fact go buy them doing this for us. brilliant. you know, you create the programs in america had to do supplies, but we never even thought about raising any questions about pipelines in mexico and

canada. and do most of these things the least has the right to, you know, to pronounce judgment. one, russia, russian government project to impose sanctions, all the companies participate in it. and before that, the noted states savage and worked against policy brought, which was basically an air supply and cheap gas to gratify, read, and agreed to do well. in fact, part of the problem, the breezeway breeze had this crisis is going to be a voice if they had the rush or it would be so. but it was the, you know, your pin commission and great a stand tonight, a speech that basically did everything. but be solid, the project never comes to the door. but i guess my question is, when rhetorical is the united states have to do with your energy security? well, it's all about money. they want them to buy american energy when she is being fossil

fuels are being attacked in the us. so there's only one outcome here, a higher. right. so the europeans, but get up and cheat russian energy and paper. very expensive gulf in america. wow, that's a brilliant move business. go ahead. no, it is. of course, it makes the europeans very uncompetitive. i mean, you're already has problems with keeping up with east asia. but now the one thing that they had, which was very reliable sheet of energy, russia, now they've given that up and they've done it on the american pressure. the ukraine has come under american pressure with the americans who are great membership in the americans continue to provoke and to provoke. and basically if you're just a little hard breaking up on some real

estate market, ah, ah, ah, with a in a oh, the more so we're show you the most all who are so full is you do with russia is

the aggression? no. if answered much about or by munich, was for the teaching was you should slow border worse. you, we have any quality for russians. can all we gotta do is just read them over the head and just tell them the right way to live. there is going to do with this show more models which is around the was like, no, we did it on these. clear the with a boy with the boy you 2 weeks you're a supporter. i'm with a lot of nice gloves with the new sure wouldn't juniors, they don't care about the get the friends with

when you are season at the washer. who works with to watch with with welcome back to cross were all things are considered. i'm your labelle, this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some realtors. oh, let me go back to d. m a here in moscow from centrally when we look at a conflict in ukraine, at least for the west. um they, they won't say it out loud, but you know, it's not about freedom. it's not about the mob not about territorial. that's all you know, that's what we keep hearing on the airways. but it's really about energy here and not fossil fuel energy. it's all about green energy, and ukraine is being used as

a segue to push the transition. this is something that, you know, this is a gleeful about it. they're gleeful about because they don't have to bring it to their people and vote on it. they'll say it just because, you know, rules based order and all of this type of stuff here. but at the same time, and this is what i need to explain, they're opening up whole mines again and are well made natural gas maybe isn't so dirty here. i mean, what are their priorities here? because if they, on the one hand, you know, it's, you know, territorial integrity. on the other hand, it's renewed deal. but they keep interweaving in clashing with each other. and they can't make up their mind. what is their priority? uh huh. well i have, i would say not the privilege but the duty to read the war, drum brass and i'm just read it. we don't have to thank you deem that well, the beat side. you know, they the right that 62 percent of the germans for the government's advice and now the work themselves a few times a week and or less. ok,

how does 162 percent of people already believe these crap and you know, the way the government is dealing with people in terms of why you have to read, you know that the temperature in your boss or you have to watch. i mean that these people who use the russian channel story period, but we know what he told you the difference between authoritarian and to put it there in the sheets. 30 gmc ok. don't publish guarantee. just on the president the 20 day. let him say, how often wash yourself, which theatre waste you could go which books you should read, you know how with educate your children. so in this situation, during our walks su with military and state, they tell their people call home wash. what is wood for their house? there is a very, very strange theory. now the washing machine makes is bad for you. right?

and it's just the plain. and the problem with the italian states is that they use ideology, engaged mass against mathematics. i mean, in gear force, which is a huge or berry what management model, their best deployment of garbage time warmer had of hundreds he just gave a mathematical analysis or what we're not germany has 40 median cow holds 20000000 of them. i heated by guess, rational gas eco sport, 55 percent is how we're going to do without ok. so this is a mathematical question. then i know what the answer, what ran it. worse for short periods of time, you know, don't use your car, don't use your i don't know what else go microwave. i mean, it smacks all the sudden even worse. well, i mean it, george, i mean a,

is this going back to the 1840s? i mean, i'm trying to understand what's going on in the world is a super competitive police. but, and, and then we look at the europeans, you know, i mean, what is it, you know, pragmatism isn't ideology. can they marry the 2? it seems that they, they're, they're, they're, they're pushing things that are just diametrically opposed to each other and the result is cold and lack of productivity and, you know, the world passes them by and some kind of back water. and this is all done intentionally. go ahead. yes, it is a short reason. there's been the seamless transition from lee cove is area now to the the energy steering. i mean, it's just you, you always don't even notice it. so we was screaming at the anti back says the non mosque, whereas the people who were protesting against the lock down, you know,

they were terrible people because they refused to express social solidarity. they were entirely selfish, and we were supposed to hate them. so now we're rapidly going to be moving into a new era with don't want to share out the energy. i mean, i'm going to, is going to really in the cross, as you know, they don't want to share out a gap and that they have to sign their own deals with russia. and so this is now everyone who is going to be taking showers of the to long, you know, they're going to be the is, i guess that's a new thing. shower shaming. is that the shower, jamie, exactly, you know, people, you know what they cost, you know, more than once a month. so, you know, if you ever is not only going to be a fall in be insufficiently for expressing solidarity and of course will be put in this, this is the how the, you know, this as the said,

this kind of a no one ever really for the barrel with it is the same, no one really kind of they, you know, to the, from the mental questions about a mental question to what end is all this? why are we making the sacrifice? no, you just don't get a shop and just get with the program or else you know a y hope they can shop too long in the shower. we had 0 with 0 cove and now we have 0 fossil fuel. ok, niema. let me go to you. i mean, usually when these unusual and very strident on demands of people, it's during a momentary crisis. ok moment case. you know, what i mean by that is that, you know, when the crisis will come to an end and you go back to not, this is completely open ended. you start saving 15. you're, you're told to save 50 percent on energy towards what end. i mean it will that make

the situation better? how li alleviated they don't have any answers. there's no, there's no exit from this. it just seems it's going to be a, came latoria, they're going to me and then the 40 percent and 60 percent. and the results will be the same. i don't understand what, what they're driving, what their goal is. go ahead, my lease. i'm sorry, ease. i want to go to the area. i mean, if i use rights, something like this. ok, our people are terrified about get, you know, just 90 percent. so since inside their own, the suite, while people with russia have been through so many difficult just them much more like sustainable. so i mean, this is difficult that they didn't look that amy is so strong and you mean i can make any sacrifice. that means that you should be made in 2nd crisis. ok. 15 percent less. today's 20 percent less tomorrow. don't ask why. well,

if you asked us why it was a, you know, if you asked us, why did we support when you greenwich started before being in 2014? don't expect us from austin for these were, are the people, you know, we have to see places change. so we're not responsible with these people, did. they didn't their band so in, on their own say some of their old age and nice, nice, nice groups. you know, i don't ask any questions that ask a question and you know, via and also what is very important that there is, you always require crisis. and 2nd at that, that it is, you always intimidate, you will all die from point. there will be a climate if you don't listen to us and if you don't wash with cold water line that will collapse. you know?

so basically let me remind you how people are basically broaden germans into into was you said that we have not enough space off. let us wrong. if we don't expand into years, we're all going to die from that was a lie because germans on a much more energy after the world war 2 created a sustainable economy, which is not one of them, but a segue is perfectly the last question i have for george, here you're right, we have the german economic miracle because there was cheap soviet then that later, russian gas. so, george, you know, on a global scale here, the global south is saying, you know, the europeans got really rich because they had access to very cheap fossil fuels, primarily oil and gas. so now they're looking, they're stepping up and say, our turn we would like that energy to do exactly what the europeans had and what they are they willing to give up?

but we'll take it in line. we'll take it. that's exactly what's happening. yes, yes. but the strange thing is that the european does that extent the americans are weighted to an e. ology that is propagated by the world economic forum and cloud swab and they were, and it's not entirely clear what the deal is other than they want to reduce the population of the world. i mean, i back their agenda and green energy, somehow gold in with that of the gender as was the, the fear of them. and you know, a people having children or anything like that. so it's kind of, it's a part of the same things. are they using this crisis of ukraine, essentially to call or use the use of the move to the renewable? they know perfectly well there is no way in the world that germany can continue to be in economic out relying on solar panels and,

and when they're pushing it. and you have to think that based on how don't want europe and the united states to be kind of the engine will grow. i mean, they want to continue to be prosperous themselves. they don't really want to extend this barrett, they do it. it seems, you know, it's the europeans want to set an example for the world, but that's something that we see here. and, you know, eventually, you know, they'll be carbon changing in this country uses too much carbon. you know that, that will be, you know, it will be another reason for nato to be, are they think they're great to be ok. but i mean, but it doesn't work logically because then they become less competitive. they become already come more irrelevant. and so everyone, they the learning i think that will be don't do what drives you with the grow. go ahead the last 30 seconds, but you want to get figure magazines will radius all in europe,

extremist, all the groups, not only about which are concerned about it, but also about energy crisis. so they're all extreme. it's now people out and there was one person who said that basically by these already see europe is destroying european main capitalism, therefore are sentient. yeah. i'm just go get him. i look, i'm not saying it on my own, but as i said it would be go, madison. this is all it's teams. this is all, it's going to back the whole conspiracy theories. right now it will have as well. and you're at least in the winter coming up, we'll have cold capitalism. ok. see how that feels? ok. go out. ok. i'm watching themselves a. digging further in to their problems. it's extraordinary to witness gentlemen. that's all the time we have. i want to think, my guess in budapest and here in math, i want to thank our viewers from watching us. here are the, remember,

rules. ah, ah, mm mm. a little was recently merchandise to move center of chicago. lots of them will. we company out the show piece to some west ashley with me off and yeah, you national and i don't but i

was i would put on some with, oh no, but i live on doin laney job will look and he's the yes go shit on when you hit the my old will be my auto bought. yeah. which in that usually a score to us? no, i wouldn't get crushingly. oh, no. oh, oh, yes. oh, yeah. ah, oh, ah, ah,

ah, russia is the aggression. if injured much about we have inequality for russians. we have actual racism, bigotry, against russians. it's now dangerous to be russian than europe. for our pool, fortune with possible is a safety and a nation suddenly disliked full worth the hotel. it he always there and only now come to the for.