as things have substantially changed, ah, it has to do with geography. we're now was limited our horizon to don't boss the near it's can will guns. ah, we already ends up or should i a, in other parts of more western ukraine. and we're going to have to move our forward line still farther to the north and to the south, i had to the east, i mean, who, who asked? so what was he saying? he said, that's a wider war now. and he explains explicitly mentioning hi marsh, the high mobility or chill re rocket system or that the ukrainians are bragging about, that the u. s. has given them range of 50 miles mind you can do a lot of damage. so what's the reaction in washington? that same day or defense minister go up and said, wal, our hi, marsha, working all does,

the ukrainian leadership is happy about that and beller, they know how to work on them. now. hello, hear it. the rush is just up the ante and said, look, this is a wider war. we're going to go as high as we have to to get out of your high mars range. and the defense secretary is kind of what resigned to the fact us, that'd be a wider war, which raises the question of course, is that what the defense secretary? once he has already said that his aim or usa is to weaken russia? is that what this is all about to the last ukrainian has ukraine would be a test feel for us weaponry. it appears that that's the case, at least until the mid term elections in november. well, let's go to our guests in toronto. i mean, this is an unconscionable position to take, i mean, fighting the russians to the last ukranian because i have been saying ever since

the qu, in february of 2014, is it the more the west, the helps ukraine, the smaller the country gets? i'm being proven right every single day. go ahead in toronto. hello. yes. yes, thank you peter. i'm, well, i mean the, the situation is very clear and i think this is, this must be part of the goal in washington and european capitals because obviously they don't really care about ukraine if they did, they would have stopped this war from happening before it ever started and, and in fact, the opportunities for doing so were numerous starting from a, i mean the whole, the entire situation that started in 2014 was the set up. in fact, i think one of the reasons why the democrats were so upset that they lost the 2016 election was perhaps that they had this operation into plans already in

2016. and that was the end goal because of course victoria newland was part of the obama team and she was famously in t as in 2014. so i think the, the, the go from the also from the european perspective. what on earth are they doing for going along with this strategy when it is shooting on their own feet? and this was so clear, i, i struggle to understand there today what advantages europe is gaining from the continuation of this war. and we, it's clear that the more that the war continues and the more weapons that get ukraine and the more that they fight back, in this sense, the russians will have to expand their line. because that gives them something to negotiate with. and of course, the government and keith is going to, i think, is going to stay there. i don't think the russians have any plans to take over here

because they need the negotiating partner. but they're going to extend that line constantly. if you're playing chess, when you play, you, you, you, well, i'm sorry. who, i mean i, i think the, the u. s. is playing checkers. i think the russians are playing chess here. i garland, let me go to you here. i what, obviously, what are the, on a tenant consequences is the, the dramatic impact on the global economy. i mean, you know, article after article will europe freeze in the winter, you know, you know, will be herb bare shelves. i mean, this was this part of the plan. i don't think so. this is the law of unintended consequences for ukraine. and we, and it's not even democracy as they say, it's a military junta. go ahead. garland will a couple of things. i think number one, based on the history of the neocons and how many lives the needlessly wasted. i don't think they're concerned with unintended consequences of starvation or things like that around the world. that's not a concern of theirs. they could care less,

they just see all of those lives as collateral. damage to ultimately achieve their, you know, hedge a monic goals as far as europe. i would disagree with you that that's an unintended consequence on john bolton said or year to go in his book that the, the neocons in washington, particularly in the trump administration, viewed the e u as a, a tremendous economic threat. second only to china. sure. so i think the plan was to take out rushes economy and take out the used car economy and they're not taking out rushes economy, but i think they'll be happy to at least get well they won't, they won't be happy that they didn't get russia, but they will be happy that they subjugated the you and put them in their place and eliminated an industrial and financial compared. well, i guess so much for western solidarity. ok ray, would you want to react to that? because that's it. that's a very good point because there the, the, the washington is one in the senate has been able to corral europe, i mean,

even against its own best interest, european interest here. they've won there. but i, i always think i tend to think it is a, a pie rick victory if you have a, an economy and a, a continental economy that is not productive and competitive. what, what kind of trophy is that go ahead re, you know, i think your one has to always make room for stupidity. i agree. now also exceptionalism nice toxic mix. if you think you're exceptional and you're also not very smart, you may be have academic credentials, but it's not very smart. then you have the kind of economic and viruses that are just as, as stupid as his foreign policy advisors. now these are elite people who don't know anything about the world. and what economic advisors would have advised these sanctions knowing that russia has oil and gas,

it's beyond is beyond belief that they would have persuaded biting to do this, but they did. so i'm not sure everything was quite intended the way it was, but those that garland is completely right. that is the result. and as winter approaches, the hungarians, and many more than on gary. and as i come, i gotta say this is, this is a, this is a crock. this is crazy. let's make a deal with the russians before it's too late. before 0, before we are free said alice andrea and in toronto, i'm sure you've come across it as i have. and so for the last few months, coming out of europe, we have to stop taking russian energy. we must stop, we must stop. and then in the same breath, but they might turn it off. i mean, this is skit, so friendly. it's just bizarre to watch them at these con fab's, a g 7, you know, and madrid, nato. you know, we have to wean ourselves off, but they might turn it off. i mean, it's, it's like talking to a child, go ahead in toronto. well, it's worse than talking to a child,

and i actually have been falling this aspect considerably. and every day i look at the, the press throughout europe and worldwide. and in fact, it is exactly a skit. so frantic situation, 1st, they complain about russian energy and the fact that they supply all the energy and that they must cut themselves off from russia. and the fact that was part of the ideological drive for germany to participate. they are green for foreign minister. and elaine, of better bach, i don't know her credentials are not particularly good, but she's one of the big drivers. there's a big green ideology behind all of this. yeah. and there plan, i think she actually at the beginning a, she actually it the praise the fact that russia was going to cut off gas forcing germany to increase investment in so called clean energy. and of course,

clean energy requires gas to work because you know, you fill in the gaps of wind turbines and sort of panels with gas. and now i see a change of to even angelina burbock is complaining about russia cutting off the gas supply because of them. well, the reason we've been given is maintenance and the, and the delays with the turbine, the siemens turban that was being maintained in canada. but i believe has been chipped. so now there's another turbine that needs maintenance, and now they're panicking. and of course, one of the reasons for the panic is that some of the governments in europe are starting to fall. we've seen the train of demise. you know, the draggy micro and schultz went to key if a few weeks ago in the train. and now one of those 2 is out. yep. and to her, she'd have to jump in here. we're going to go to it, go to

a short break about about short break. we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. say with ah, i bought them was just given you guys, but i wanted to was all with, with you, i guess with you. i'm

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a with welcome back. across stock. were all things are considered? i'm peter belcher. mad you were discussing you crate. ah, a garland in the swamp in washington dc. i'm, you know, i'm re pointed out in the beginning of the program rushes of basic war aims ago. it was aimed sam for the conflict and,

and i agree with the grade that has changed because western strategy has changed as well. but, you know, garlan, the way i look at it here is that if someone was saying to me a few weeks ago, peter, what is a win win situation here? and i said there is no win win. there's a win lose. that's very simple right now. and the outcome of this war, it will be, it will be under russia's terms, and russia's time table. what are they gonna do? sanction russia, they've emptied out the tool box. they don't have much left. they can do all. we're going to sanction your gold now. wow, they're really digging deep. ok. so, i mean, that's why i find washington to be such a curious process. there is that there's no way that ukraine is going to win. and so, and the russians, you know, just to position cannot possibly lose. they wouldn't have started this thing if they knew that unless i knew they were going to win. so this is where the log jam is. go ahead, garland, i think what we're looking at was washington,

is all it's ever been a narrative war. i mean from the very beginning, if you look at the way i'm president zalinski came in, i mean, he came in as a, as a t v show star. and at a, a, basically there was a party that was named literally named after his t v show. so he's been playing a role the whole time. he surrounded himself with people who were involved in the entertainment industry and the entire time that this conflict has been going on. the focus of washington has been narrative control and you know, politics and narrative control. and the problem, i think they're there, they're looking at very soon, is that there will, they'll be able to control the narrative in europe. but as the people of europe are returned to the hunter gatherer on time, in prehistoric history, i don't think they're going to be very happy about it. and there have been some questions. could this be like serrato or i, lanka, sherlock, a, will people be wandering through the presidential palace and you know,

swimming in the pool. i think there is a, even, maybe even a probability that it could get are worse in europe, because the people in europe are accustomed to a very high standard of living, a lot of long ways to fall and sign it when they hit the ground. they're going to tear that place limb from limb. ray, if you've worked in government a long time, you're retired. now of course, i mean, how far will washington go to get its way in ukraine when it won't get its way? give us a prognosis if you will. the problem is peter, that the mid term elections are coming up in just a couple of months in november. now i agree, the russian military advance seems to be inexorable right now. it's going to get really bad by october and november. so what will the us be tempted to do so as not to look week in before the russian threat?

now we talk about the democrats who are really in danger of losing both houses of congress. so this is a big deal. okay. well, they do well. they'll be tempted to give still longer range missiles, the ones that even patrick, what's his name? the assistant to the precedent for national security affairs. a several, even even now we're not going to give them the longer range missiles that cannot cross that bridge between premier and russia proper. okay. well, you know, maybe they'll be tempted to do that then and we'll have a wider war. but the thing i fear most is what a lot of just a week ago, a very unusual article call and on a plan stage is the word you use a staged false flag or that it could be a murder of so then sky, that's well prepared, right? now blamed on russia, there could be the, the favored, the, the favor cause flag,

attack of choice, chemical weapons, whatever. however, there is look, choose to be used by the russian, and we're still sure. and many other places the crane have nuclear sites. they could be sabotaged and again blamed on russia where that would lead. i really hate to fathom because this has a existential threat only in the political sense, the democratic party. yeah, it's quite sickening that has to get down to domestic politics who's going to win and who's going to lose that whole country's whole continents are at stake. how sandra in, in, in toronto, it's, it's, it's continue with what ray had to say. a thought, you know, i've been saying this from the very beginning, these false flags, we've already had a number of them. they're all been dads. so they'll probably up the anti. but that's not going to change a rushes behavior on the battlefield. and that's another miscalculation in

washington. you can, it is a garland put and they all they have is propaganda. all they have is spreadsheets and videos and stuff like that. they don't, they, they can't win on the battlefield and they know it. so it worked for me is that they'll throw everything they can at it with this, this thing about pilots, recruiting pilots, the steel plains and things like bella, cat, you know, the, they're in the game again. but it's not going to deter russian. that's what's really sad about it because we had an opportunity a month in a, in san bowl to somehow come to have a ceasefire or some kind of coming to terms. but the west is determined not to let that happen. and that's why i'm assuming that zalinski has no agency whatsoever, as garland is pointed out. he's an actor and all of this go ahead in toronto. well, i mean the, i actually watched a few episodes of the show in which zalinski was the actor. i think he's speaking russian in the l, which very interesting, he's a russian speaker. and i think his intentions on upon coming in to power were

genuine in as far as pushing for some kind of a piece and the following through on the minsk agreement, which of course, this entire war is about the midst minutes agreements because the war started in 2014 and those agreements were the tool to end it. and now we have the advance is the extension of that. the diplomacy to put it in a glass of its terms. i'm but i'm afraid of the false flag events because to me the, the test or shall we say the test run for this war. it was syria where you had a number of false flag attacks starting from 2013. and by the way, naively i was speaking to the u. s. military or conference about syria in 2013. and i remember saying to the not understanding what the plan was for

syria. i pointed to a map and i said, you know, don't bother with syria, don't get involved because the russians are going to handle it. look at the map, syria is only 1000 kilometers, right? south of russia and their ethnic relations as well. dissertations in there. so don't get involved and i was looked at very strangely by everyone present because of course that was the goal is to increase the chances and opportunities for western involvement, which is what i fear in ukraine. and i think the, the way to stop it apart from the congressional elections. hopefully some something will come out is europe. that's the last hope we are seeing governments and i agree . all my god, who will europe is our last you heard of here on cross sa go. my good with was sorry with sergeant schultz in berlin. that's our green last, you know, liz, you know, they know they're pushing, they're there. they know that they're stopping on their own feet. it's about time

that european voters and citizens start rebelling if that happens, at least we start to see some erosion in the coalition and, and also i'm, i feel sorry for the people of ukraine that have to suffer. absolutely. absolutely . yeah, absolutely not useful. you know, a good girl and you know, one of the things i, i think i need to every once in a while kind of get to the big, big picture of all of this here. why did this all start? because rushes security, your security needs were being ignored, scoffed at ok. and the russian said, don't test out, don't push us and they did. and this is what we have here. this conflict is going to come in to an end. when russia's security goals have been met. that's what this is all about. and when that when they say we, we, we've gotten what we've wanted from this and it's over and they don't need zelinski signature or any kind of any kind of outcome. let's,

he's going to get out an airplane. if he's lucky to fly out because the inner circle people around him, um they use him as a puppet. ok. and most of these people have the most odious ideology and you know what i'm talking about? go ahead. garland. well, i would agree with you and your, your implication in that zalinski will be very fortunate if he walks out of this one, you know, unscathed, shall we say, i'll just leave it at that. because i think what ultimately happens. and this is the problem that the neocons are going to have the need at least a semblance of a governing body. um for ukraine in order to argue that there's some legitimacy, the way things are going, i would predict a sudden collapse of some type, either a sudden collapse of the military of political collapse, some type of a qu, etc, is going to happen maybe after the don boss, ah, you know, the eastern ukrainian military part of the, of this particular conflict is over,

but at some point there's going to be some kind of collapse and it's going to be very difficult for the west to a, you know, depending on who wins in the far right wins. well you certainly can work with them or bargain with them and they will embarrass. i think they've been working with them since 2014. they're very comfortable with these ultra nationalists and neo nazis. they know who their re, we have one minute left. i'm going to give it to you. your thoughts, please there, heard me say before, nobody mentions china. now this week, the chinese foreign ministry spokesman is the strongest endorsement of what russia is doing than ever before. he said, look, you west u. u. s u, you started it, you inflamed it, you're trying to create a 3rd world war. you gotta stop it by facilitating negotiations. in addition, iran, it's foreign minister himself said look, we appreciate and weeks of court,

russian name senior crane. this is a big deal, whether you as think it can win in ukraine or not. the world is dow divided between a lily white west and the rest of the world. most of all piece of most of them are people of color, china, india, pocky, stand iran, and of course russia. it's a bipolar world again. and we're on the short end of the stick. thanks, jake sullivan. thanks, anthony blanket, you've really done a bang up job. okay. divided the world and a good part of the world. no longer likes or dis, respects the united states. as a result, that's all the time we have gentlemen, i want to think my guess and watch it in raleigh and in toronto. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. you next time remember crossed out ah ah

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