context is lacking, even geographical knowledge is for the scant and, and there's reliance upon vogue magazine of photo shops of the ukrainian president and his wife. i mean, in that seat of my stressing how to feel, it is easier to get away without const contextualizing in an n, as a way to try to allay all the suffering that western publics are feeling. glen. well, what you're describing is a good description of propaganda because search have defined a just propaganda to large extent losing an audience by not relying on rational arguments. so if you play on stereotypes and feelings, and obviously there's this build up to the war, we're currently just russia games, which obviously was a great example of how feelings kinda blurred out all of the facts on the matter. now obviously, countries use propaganda to some extent during war,

especially that this is around this is because it's necessary to mobilize public consent for a conflict. so this is why we say this during this time. but this is what we got names to do is build up their stereotypes. of course what goes wrong, good versus evil. and if you accept this stereotype and all information comes through this, through this prism facts, as you said, it doesn't really matter anymore because you're guiding something even well, it was necessary and, and this is how you see it. again, it's a long history of there's a rush, it's always been seen as if you will the other and, you know, they've been buried store civilization, they've been the asians, saucier p unless you know, they're here and sort of liberal democracy. so this is how all information has to be filtered to making a big harry potter has story out of the news send. this is problematic because

people can accept those stereotypes and get stuck with those emotions. don't look at the facts anymore. and then in my argument, then one loses let me, which, what's interesting here, i'm calling this program the phony war. and of course, this is a reference to the time when it's the, during the 2nd world war, after the war started in, when nazi germany invaded bo and, and before the invasion of france was called the phony war. because there wasn't much going on, particularly on the french front, but this, there is a real war going on. but the, the propaganda that glen was referencing, and it's getting a bit sin because if the russian saw their bad guys, why are we in the west suffering? they're not making a very compelling argument louder here. well, i would say we have to look at who is the object of propaganda and it's clear that

ojo propaganda is much less ukrainians were actually and bear the bronsels a war and are being killed and suffering. so if they hear some reports from the ceo, if they look at the pictures and ski, if they're not effected by that, they know that they're brothers or sisters. i mean, you know, cause a wounded or killed a wound and so on. but though, of just as a gullible western public research to support this, a fraud that everything is united, everything's for is cool and be, is this kind of the, i desire to send money to give some kind of extra walk to me to the industrial company. it's clear that sooner or later these narrative will keep their here very hard to reality on the ground. because you know, every time they tell the west all levels help the brain is, i want to smash russia. you're great. i'm going to conquer this. and i says,

i running out of their last m all you know, and it sooner late than even less than public, not just a few green on the west of public will say, well, you tell us this. and now we hear that it ends out of the root is trying to get 70 old people in the army. now he says everyone from done by city just have to move away. something doesn't clique. and then, you know, a west propaganda and propaganda will end up with a big on their face. and they, i think they trying to push on it as long as they can. but you know, you can, us, we're out. you know, the glen, you know, you, that we were kind of nerdy all 3 of us on this program because we appreciate the history and geo politics. and we're from 3 different different different countries . but, you know, as an american, you know, the post mortem of the ending of the war in southeast asia. my goodness that south vietnam government was really, really corrupt then a year ago with the exit of afghanistan. my goodness, that was

a really corrupt to come from. and now before the conflict started of every 24th this year, ukraine was one of the most consider one of the most corrupt countries in the world . so, i mean, this is going to kind of come full circle as billions and billions of dollars are being forwarding to the country. money, military equipment, ammo. the whole works here. but this talk about corruption is, like i said in my introduction, almost treasonous. go ahead. ahead on this, before this war you had the, you know, a western you down the seal on making documentary, some in documentary about, you know, the horrible corruption in your credit, your documentary, some also what they were referred to us not c battalions, but now after the war began, and we now see that this all became suddenly russian propaganda and of hello to say it in the more also calling a proxy war was also enough to get your council. then of course,

the old american political issue began to refer to those who are in the media. somehow it's, it's ok, so it's difficult to follow. but again, this is the huge conformity. i mean, you have to choose between 2 positions, and this is often very artificial because of course, you can say you're opposed to the russian attack on the crane because they're, you know, supported by if you do it, that's your decision also have to conform to the whole narrative and big rivalry between democracy versus tier in this. and then that also makes china completed if you will. and then, but of course the facts in this market, it's kind of disappears because, you know, your government is supposed to be this near inspirational. beacon of democracy, you know, sometimes gets the new winston churchill. and of course, it becomes non official because you can, when, if you want to talk about comp, hawk, colfax, for example, the more strict corner laws against russia,

speakers on ethnic russians. how about binding the opposition party, about the resting? that's the main opposition, later or placing all neither control under the state. you know, these are objectively undemocratic and actions, but if you mention this fact, it becomes called russia propaganda. why she's not true or no, because now you're creating doubt about the korean government. so showing support is necessary and that's why it's very dangerous, because because he makes all our journalists in the west into soldiers in this information war and strong our own trust me that we're trying to destroy our own institutions. and it's one of enter this conflict. we should be able to say on the things such as, you know, if you want to convert the ukraine into frontline against russia, this is not compatible with democracy. and this is why we see that you created the

marks. it's a large extent was snapped out after 2014 when you made demand into this new line. but again, we will, we don't talk about the facts and then we have this book articles, you know, you have this. yeah. yeah, always this emotional appeal would have been landscape versus put in which has become the embodiment of evil. and then we don't have to discuss security interest . we don't have to discuss that because there's a good versus evil now. and if you're sign it and i'm glad of it, when it is when glen was describing how the goal posts as it were with this change in this is there's a guy, amazing similarity to cove. it only when you can say something, when you can say something like you can say something at one point. you can cancel the months later. it's common parlance. i mean, it's a, it's very interesting the kind of a, a trajectory both covered and the way we were allowed to talk about ukraine. i think, you know, what americans are good, it is a,

each of the masses are manipulation masses and maybe learn from this experience. what i, he and all this is like a mock use them all over again. and i was using work for quite some time on until sound very. she is honest voice is in united states, arose and say there's a lot of you know, exchange you described and you are, you're creating a rec, less dangerous situation, which destroys our democracy, destroys our country. the same thing is happening here. i don't think if americans want to help ukraine, this is not the way to help grain by allowing one person than all the parties that have been all employees. and this is that the help a great, this is doesn't help anyone. a contact you through, you know, dialectics through kind of challenges, throat. so trying to improve and just here in this, my kind of mccarthy methods it works for a while and americans know it and they use it and they use it on germany. they use

it on t lines and sweden as a manipulated, but it's people, common sensical, people should, should realize that this is not a fair description of the story. and the, because it's false, he does help. well, in flat, on top of them, with something called for an investigation of ukrainian oligarchy, which is very interesting because that would encompass the narrative before february 24th. there's corruption in ukraine and a lot of money in western money in goodwill. i think that, you know, you can say that for at least in the, in the part of some people, but that, you know, that is the day again, that kind of creeping narrative. yeah. it is. yeah. i remember the corruption maybe because of so much money. we should have some oversight here around paul and he was, he was attacked mercilessly. he's like, well vote for the money but can weeks by now where it's going and where would it? and i mean, he was just absolutely destroyed in the media. but now there's more and more talk.

yeah, maybe we should have some kind of oversight here. you just have to know how to play the cues. i suppose glen real quick before we go to the break here. it would be there's going to be a major offensive most likely in ukraine, but it's going to be a russian one, not a ukrainian one. i don't know if western media is prepared to deal with that. i don't know. i, i don't because i, well, let me go some point that out correctly before the main people were trying to commence is the western audience assist classifying the money and the weapons? i think about, for this reason, do you need to keep the momentum going to keep the support going out? or the core of this is to say, you know, the ukrainians are winning thrushes or losing those who i'm kind of seeing over the 5 months this perpetual claim after a year gland. we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion some real new, stay with our g. ah ah,

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me, oh, we raised a corn and soybeans here. so some issues that are different this year, the in years past is that i was all the things going on the world. the day are input costs. have all w a is going to be really hard for everybody to keep go and some will make it so i want our current late president is blaming russia for that. your gas company is, are going to explain for the problem. but they are not the problem. so biden really chan blame food for causing the problem because he himself caused the problem in but the price is already gone up. fertilizer and chemicals have dramatically risen

. what we need to do is make the what united states needs to do is start in real world well and we get, we can drill for oil. and for some reason, our government thinks that we shouldn't be using our own oil, which is crazy with welcome back across stock where all things are considered. i get a little this is the home addition to remind you, we're discussing some real news. the, the minutes go back to glen glen, you thought we had to go to the break. you were trying to make a point,

please finish up. you know, sort of thing that the continued support by the western public requires this promise victory. especially with this kind of self sacrifice. so every week, you know, we have this new story about ukraine, launching a spectacular context and you know, some kind of going to over the meet the reports that nothing comes out of this except for 2 years losses. and i also say that process losing their last week and the rush us losing in running out every week. soldiers in russia, lost their morales and putting it sit here putting it's almost about to be toppled the russian economy imploding. i mean it's, it plays out all over again and again that number, anything comes out of it. so what i'm gonna say with the story that you know, your grand st under dog, destroying the russian military brushes simply only targeting civilians of course. so, and this is where the emotional aspect comes in as well because me only phone that's

on one side, but on the other side it can be mentioned. and it goes back to the idea that if you, if you have some sympathy for an opposing side, then like around paul, you might be a traitor because now you're spreading propaganda veto. these are the facts that matter is whether or not you can draw up enough sympathy for the right side. the real tragedy is that there isn't been a call or to go stations in peace instead of taking a side people, but will empower so that we have that discount, but you're not getting that. but what we're doing, you know, all of the things that we're told to believe the russian economy is failing. ms. sick, a low morale in the military, when things are going to last, governments are balling in the west, the inflation is ripping energy crisis food banks and the u. k. all the things

they're projecting on what's happening in russia is actually happening in real time in the west. and you can't cover that because that is the lived experience of people. when you got to get bill up, you're not taking your cards. no profit is going to be one way or another. it's just expensive. go ahead. yeah, the same thing applies to the price of gasoline, driving the cars and you know, heating and cooling. so i think it is, you know, i think the rest and propaganda, they can lie about decent places like, you know, ukraine 90 percent of the people. jennifer burns, a blue child or is it so it sounds all kind of music strange by the lesson. but if you go to your own store and see the prices it is, it's collapsing and i think it's, it's an actually, it's a, it's a mistake of a weston estimation or what there was

a weakness in saying in russia because they know i see it in be she said, well, we will kind of wrong about the strength over us and the guy, you know what made it. just think of a, have you up ro, american gun hor, you want your 160 to succeed. you have to know your enemy. if you don't know your enemy, how can you do anything if you're just life is don't tell lies that chinese a giant on legs of clay in the rushes or the collapse. and then what will happen when you know, joe's what hitler was and why it was his own people? well, well, much the russian in today's and then what, you know, they just throw the you, they just throw themselves. so i think it really people and she, and as a result of this lies and inner life to themselves, that's a bit of a dangerous thing. you know, plan and not only lines that i think become a great deal of arrogance in play as well. because i'm there with the russians for pushback, from care. that's the story here. well i,

i don't know what the military planning ones, i don't know what that was all about. but there is this impression that these armchair generals that were in general's in wars that were lost by the way, by the west in the middle east, primarily. but they're, they're kind of trying to convince maybe themselves and the audience that the russians fight the same way as we do destroy all the infrastructure, lose something about the iraqi and destroy the water and destroying the electric, to destroy everything. and then you go in, that's not the case of the, again, this kind of arrogant projection of how they fight a war. everybody else does, which is not the case. if you are familiar with the facts on the ground glen. yeah, well, you mentioned how important because that's what you're kinda stuck on stuck kept for so long because in the beginning of the order, of course, russia, we're still in the troops outskirts, i'm hoping to get the concessions they wanted. and again, this was done by the weekend, however, dismissed in the work, but of course,

the problem for the russians where they had this long, unprotected supply lines, which made them very well. so this position and this was at the starting point, everything especially there a different strategy. but again, the narrative snail reflects kimura, which say, you know, ukrainian talks are starting to see things. there are some time and you know, so, you know, the mighty russian military machine has been destroyed by the cranium. also have this story amongst mattress. you know, there goes the key will remember airplane or just shut down all the russians. guy. yeah. make island, you know this way, you know, russians, you know, for the rest and or worship also to be sent. it doesn't matter because the narrative still still stays there. still having the science show to the western, you know, it also say so is this need to hold onto the narrative and this is also problematic

. i've pointed out it's got forced to take this position and you know, so for example, i'm personally horrified by what's happening in ukraine is devastating, but you're saying listen, we should push towards political settlement, talk to the russians, at least, even if it doesn't start to dialogue, now to see where the possibility is for making peace, well, that would be anti ukraine. and now i'm curious the pro ration because now i'm unethical. it's saying, well, if i wanted to make peace now with the credit, if that means, well, i have to make some confession. so not being asking for an ukraine is to surrender . so you're not allowed to call for peace that is treating this as well. so and, and so you have, you have to take one of the fish, which is the pro esther on and with all the strange and efficient switch that doesn't necessarily make sense. so it's,

it's very confusing and just one final notice it goes beyond the narrative. it's george all pointed out that also implies manipulating the language. so what thinks met before? it's not even more so what's happening with the sanctions? what are the economic recession now hitting across the west? well, us or so with the, by the administration is simply changed the meaning of recession. there's nothing recession. this is what we saw. a mother was wrong, and the oldest soldier surrendered, who also surrendered. it was an evacuation, as it turned out when they put down their weapons and surrendered, and then the russian captivity, this was an evacuation that was repeated across the western media. so we just changed the language instead of you know, to fit with american it's is quite extraordinary and it's, it's not good for us either. pro russian on thought western argue is bad for us in the us as well. you know, vitamin with one of the things i find very interesting is that because there is no dialogue, ok, lincoln in lab ross did speak but

a verb. the readouts is talking about this prisoner exchange, which i'm for the interested parties. i'm sure it's very, very important, but in the, in the, in the scheme of things, you know, it is, it doesn't bode well for any time soon. the conflict, the in ukraine to come to an end, and i would, i would pause it because, you know, zalinski is not interested in the, the europeans have been cowed into silence from the, the russians. will they, they would, they'll say we don't have a partner. there's nobody competent to talk to in washington. they're all the phones, they don't really understand what they're doing. i'm the secretary of defense is we want our plan is to leak and russia, i guess that's sending the signal to the kremlin. what do you know? what kind of been a locker they have, and i would, i would closet then this conflict will come to an end. we'll come to an end when russians are ready for it to end. and i'd like to point out to everyone. this conflict will come to an end under russia's terms in time table when russia is come

to the conclusion. i'm thinking about the 2 letters that were sent in december on december 17th. when the nato went to the united states about russia, security guarantees, russia will determinant unilaterally, and they'll say they're done thoughts. yeah, i agree with you, and i think that's, that's the damage on the ground. and there weston denied by in our separation. i was the owner of speech by, you know, or use in or all those things, but the sooner or later that's how it will and what is said about that to, to, to get there. a lot of people will be killed in an tremendous damage to the most basic democratic principles will be done. because basically, the behavior all blink blink. shannon bided. this is childish behavior. united states, nate, are they were talking to sonya to russia. they were talking to, sorry, the lesser and invaded project. i guess they were talking to some of us are they, when you were she, they were concerned with these they were concerned with the freedom of speech. they

were now all of a sudden, you know, over this conflict they just suppressed the basic principles of us. and if you try to write something on facebook, which goes against the narrative, bam, you know, type of counseling, one of the most popular a, to me for some of his 70000000 people listen to him or know he's a declared russian is this child is behavior which is it, in other words, u. s. children themselves, not only just, you know, fortune, you know, make millions of people in the slavic lands, but you know, they go to themselves. but that's what disturbing, you know, glenna and on i, in mentioned in my introduction about with a, the risk of cancellation. in this, there has been an asserted attempt to count, so all of russia russians, russian culture, russian history, the works ok, but i would pause in the west is self cancelling itself in many ways because the, the global south in china, they just, they, they're not on board, they will not get on board at the west,

finds itself isolated. something that we're talking about language rush is isolated at the same time. putting in lab robert, traveling a busy schedule. there's no global consensus against russia miss. and i would posit the west is isolating himself the global cell no longer fears the west and doesn't respect the west anymore. luck last word goes to you. but i agree. and i think that this has been one of the major shocks here in the west. this, you know, again, this is a narrative, not the whole world is united behind you in behind the west a, not that many in the countries and all that. so according to the west, instead, it doesn't mean that they're supporting russia. just mean stuff. this is a proxy war between nato and russia for the cost, the cost of ukrainian sunday. they didn't want to pick aside in this. i mean, everyone's around probably going to say this will stephen argument of the po for

that. obviously a hole in the category of the system. so it is a shame because this has been the strength of the west, is being able to have this open discourse and challenge, established ideas and a thing like, it's no way someone watching us here. are you see you next time? remember? oh ah ah, is it on you being a no, no, no, no, but they did a mapping by

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