a lot of them sitting in nazi germany and after 945, they can start their own promo for all of them or faster than with those of party. so, so from the length of next month, we know one since i see we know what war is, we'd know what aggression use and, and, and therefore the news is we wanted to where we see everything they're supposed to do with the modern technologies of media. you know that from the very beginning there has been a disagreement. oh, who are the main protagonist? whether it is neighborly, tries between a russian ukraine for the independence of ukraine, or whether it involves some other actors as well. how do you see it? when i 1st started by expressing for my slides, you know, our sense of those, those very human beats, in our sense of the progress to see what i can see,

the brothers and sisters at war ross. well, this bible africa who have been my ukrainians and by us it was biggest audience mcdaniels do so. i mean it's all goes to form. this is the hot break, the seed grub. i insist i gave brother, sister, that's the 1st thing i want to say. we also believe because remember, we did not have a county public that didn't belong to us. it belongs to the washington than not just waiting to hear the last night. and many, many parts of the world give us the whole my says dogma, oh my, who is a part of that? i was to discuss the use of the soviet union. my own was moscow, and i said this my whole wasn't over. most of this one. it was what i find out for our audience, because in your younger years, you trained as

a military engineer in a lot of places around the soviet union. can i ask you this opportunity and ask you whether you saw any difference between the russians and the ukrainians? at that time, political, ethnic culture and do you think this war, this current conflict could have been avoided when that time the soviet union was not what difference is that would it be among the people who are being thought of info on what i was with received by one group of people we never had to finance. i lived in central for the not this is of us. i lived in, in linda after the time. so they, they quoted with it. but most of the time we lived in moscow, what are going on? maybe, but the way that it will not be a will of these things. but when you buy one people i think for, for that that's why it's a big when the country is broken up in 1991. there's nothing we can do. but when

this double quote is taking place, it affects us as well. and we'll hope and we have what suggestions about how this thing must come to an end. because all was at the end of the mouse come to an end. when, before we talk about how it may and do you think it could have been prevented? absolutely, absolutely. and i would say what are state that public? i'll state what is the said over in by mean other at the end of 1945. would it not change this thought is to all kate, we had to organizations when the cold war we got we had in the north atlantic gunners. and that also does the sound is from impala. these will have minutes out of the organization. is there not a bumping organization program? they pushed us for less than $45.00 until 1989 on with it,

whether the cold war ended. so when that was all for that other over little was kept the life mental is a war, again, is the issue. so the big so the progress of mental health care for life at no body can just do this and we're fight for this point. why the people with seeing that nobody can see that, but yes, we hear over and over again pro western politicians from nate officials that need harbors no malicious intent, that b. russia did what? sam? okay. c. as a little fight, the somebody who fought the strike use a party with nato kansas were helping him. what was natal doing that? but the government given them weapons has been given to the web once yet, because not quite the change you see, i know to this point, you know who greg to drop the go 5, i guess that is on the who scholarship been in 5 go go,

go fight against the attack was if it does become questionable by the full we made, made those that, that will be, was russia. when you do this, no right thing can be done. when i said that was stand up, this one to step was i'm going to didn't want that. i think about one hour for rev . this land terrorists will come from iraq. celia and other have now come after got you does come to so many of them come to laws. i'm be next to us and they started the war here. this current last year. me our so just because the danger is now next door, this time off of that is fully at war to why like use those. so not just are great and number of countries do what we call the software development for which we went there because the data is a bit because the thought affected,

nobody must lead to asking the words above what was done is to we can see therefore 2 things will have the reaction that reaction or roscoe to some people was your issue now or to some people in most what was the national security interests of russia didn't come. nobody must come with the story that there's no with picnic. we're coming to do both boys a. this is a 10, and now the shifting group will start with your list of your 2 of them. and it comes with 2. but it's all, you don't need to persuade me that you know, the russian security interest and both. i will, i agree with you totally here, but still this is, i think this is going to be one of the most painful conflicts for russian recent

history. precisely because of what you said we have most of us have family members in ukraine. they have childhood memories in your brain. so even if they, you know, national security interests were involved, it was a, an extremely difficult decision. i will have to leave with the consequences of it for years and perhaps take it to come. now i want to turn to your own story because you have a very interesting story of fighting for what you believe to be your country's destiny, being an anti apartheid student leader joining the aren't organization of the african national congress. them being in south being in prison on the robin island, but nelson mandela, et cetera. in those times, did you ever doubt what was right and what was wrong? how did you arrive at your own conscience and your own piece of, you know, making those decisions because, you know, fighting against what you see as injustice. you can do that. you know,

in white glove. sometimes you take measures that you hate and still you have to take them. the 1st of the few people struggle off, what is the struggle for liberation for people. so the form of mother and 1st of them was underpinned by the chris justice for a quality. i danced the laces them and we'd play with the whole was our 1st american people supported us. mr. biden was one of the best up, want us associate in south africa. we were supported from in, bridget, so on. so, so we're given by the chris wade quality on non grayish anderson. and for justice when the police on comes all the go through that route where you're faced with the problem with we, we, we are a current issue with that kind of an i p live become that what they've done

it, we've lovely. so you have a question, sir. well, wasn't your gun? yes. and one friend of mine is them is often what we can never accept as people wrote when we did for social justice or human rights. is that hey, cliffs not he's been split in the world to be and will not be part of the he does not say it's a sport man. you must denounce to come to play tennis. no person would expect it. you could get an answer for the sake of playing tennis or football, it will never happen. so they have to be split must. so in any case, in all parts of the, of one of buying, it would've been russian people as well. your credit people, we try both with the security interests or prison would team will also try with the last to know if it is or isn't it for you,

you know, if i can, yes, we probably will see. you think sofi does all sorts of things, these are big to believe in this country. but one thing we must also be trying to use your crate and those i persons the lives you must be aware of that we are leaving for a voice on the u. s one and that is the day when i was going to go to point to be the president that respect what must come and then realize that these people want to fight until the last you go and you know, they want to put the weight weak is the last, when they use the new great as 10 am for the buck must come to an end. who was a brand new by model is a disaster. therefore they must come to an end to say the 3 b discussion dialog and

the base for now mrs. if, while we have to put an end table discussion dialogue and debate because we have to take a very short break, but we will be back in just a few moments state. ah mm mm. for look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such order that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. and the point obviously is to great trust, rather than fear. with the area with artificial intelligence, real summoning with

a robot must protect its own existence with a border with people you might look and you live muscles. if you look on the initial, you want to pull up a post on a b. i was getting used to put value a new one or 2, but you also still listed on those a what i see the student both used little to your license as decent. you do come

both ah a mm. mm. welcome back to wells appointment. okay. so while we employment in south africa, leticia and businessmen and ally of nelson mandela missus equality before the break

. you mentioned that in your anti apartheid struggle, you were supported by people from around the world in the americans. but i know for a fact that nelson mandela, what might some time, i mean, this person who is now considered to be one of the carriers greatest carriers of human conscience. he was considered a terrorist that he couldn't receive an american visa for whites on a time when in your own perception, when did that switch occur? when he saw was some being seen as a, as a terrorist and suddenly became one of the same. i got news for you until this dam classified as the drivers from we've got this case with nelson mandela went to the white house and miss pleasant, johns bush and other people counted his eyes. and so one of the things i was lazy and like i said, raise this question,

was this thing of been continued to be classified this? tell this, you know, that is possible. i but it's in my passport, i'm still restricted. i go to america. does that a switch? because we, we, we, we, we're having the cottage and the owner, austin, the are for the freedom of our people. now in america and other parts of the world to us all worlds apart like you'll see where some other people are supporting us. and some of the people are against us, but you know, it's lindy becoming president. people change. i became a prim. yeah. it does. the medulla became a president and told him that climb up with level $33.00 in america. but when i went and talked to one of the business, you start to stream up with the game. but this was so i kept on being stop at the airport and i guess i will give them because i know the current admin station, the time the best to change a lot. it was not that easy. so with us, if i did it, but because we had one, you know,

because we had prevails. it was no good music for america to punch in recording us . there was, but i'm saying that i'm good people in the united states than anywhere else in the world. are good people in russia. what we have to do through and bates, good dan route through to promote discussions. we stand to make sure that this war comes to an end affecting ascii is affecting the world economy yesterday. only the international monetary fund, whether right is, was, has downgrade the growth of the world. you know, because of what is everything, not the oil but the sanctions because the both weights the last been but we did it and it's wrong for any group of countries to dig it up. one of them sells to put a gun on right. it's if you play because your grandfather is do the simplest point, but i sure when trouble, so everybody is despite. so when you talk about the russian, you end up being terrorized also proposed to certain people and that will not

accept because there are also people in this world. but we believe that it would like the week there is a need for people to sit down. and unfortunately, the talk to, to have any bells have looked like see, they put in the bid and, but i want you as somebody i know that will present with try again. i know you said the did, and i give me this meant zillow. you almost baby to see him, but and then we've got the discussion inside. listen to the fold up question or questions. my party is not an easy thing to take the 1st step. but somehow people have got to find it a little bit because i have been calling for data for quite some time. and i know you've been following these calls like from it's very beginning, and i think it was in 2015 when you published an open letter to present to 10. and

a president obama only knows, overcome the hubris and come to the negotiating table. and to some extent, this call was heated because president put in and present guided math in geneva last year. and they talked about the origins of that disagreements. but the united states continued militarize in ukraine and continued using its land to present the military french. russia, isn't there a certain point when the dial needs to stop so that the other side, you know, understands that then, you know, so using that dialogue to, to deliver harm to its adversary. not a home are so that i know was going to be the soldier, goodbye. i'm our come to us or to price more than 300 years. so i understand this thing and whether another thing i feel we can even play a role and plug with, you know, the about 2 months and the prison on both sides. we have been in prison for more

than 15 years. so i wanted to say that the time of value is always an opportunity to be seized. those who have not know what is that opening a life. i'll leave with all the leaders and i'm not talking 4 in the organization. i don't a lot of organizations business and so well as an international citizen. and as somebody will do this that we might not be that clever already. but we'll, why we've domains that we've seen this thing before because it will end up in dire list. keep the door open and i'll leave our brother in law school and open your heart. don't lease it did and yourself. i understand what you said by this time for it to just sit down, find a way even, you know, just to meet face to face. i know it's not easy to take the 1st step lead us was

going to give up hope for me. i live in that hope the knows whether we, we negotiate. we started talking with the enemy of that. wish it was. we were still inside it, and this is a while i, if the russian, any ukrainian people and they russia and ukraine leaders indeed decide to do things within the capacity of the ukrainian government of the ukrainian leadership to put on not only to put an end to that war, but to implement the commencement that they may take upon themselves among which is for example, making ukraine neutral. i, from what i hear of the russian official saying they don't want the ukrainian sovereignty, they don't want to decide anything from the ukrainians. what they want is new credit. you're going to try and stop presenting a strategic threat to russian militarily. as long as that is taken care of ukrainians are free to receive whatever they see for themselves. but do you think this decision rather within key key capacity or that it perhaps needs to

be taken, taken elsewhere, and how would you persuade those powers elsewhere? to commit to that? i know you're busy. this person please probably, but that's the essence of negotiation and deliberations. and guy look to promote discussion. those points are easy and the point is ought to be handled as the discussion because the 1st thing is decision of all these all since they don't get no more book fellow who kind of and then talk about the d. p august. government was also once those up questions for the debate. you can say do this before we go, then it's something that mug negative that we're going to meet about uses. of course, those things like that. but the subject of the discussions is, so the only thing i'm saying, let the brother or sister come to themselves discuss people don't come from outside and call more fuel into the situation. rubens, the lives that are supposed to go to spend about as the president with the strength

of your own people. and that's what it is very passionate about it. but be careful that you play would not be controlled by others on those that you are with. so these you have to do by doing, you know, is a little bigger, and it's going to take a little bit of work. but let me give him and not up you behind this. i'll think this is the problem, this, but tell us, and of course we broke all the weapons from outside, not be in the situation. we need more as to see more jaw, not wall. so the people who are bringing weapons, you know, maybe time for the warehouse all the way with that is what we are but this most but definitely in this part of the world, we are not food with the best things for that to go to them. but at the end of the day, because the questions and comments as the end of the day,

you are left on your own rico who when people are, what is better? can i ask him very quickly about something that you mentioned before? the fact that this counseling is having on the rest of the world and there are many express how warning about the growing danger of not hunger in developing countries because of the rising fuel. and food prices prompted by the, by the sections western sanctions against russia is and then also to some extent, a sign of supremacy when a 2nd part of the world can decide that everybody else can suffer because of his decision to penalize, let's say russia or somebody else isn't that the very essence, if you will, of apartheid or fashion and how as the international community, we can deal with that so that you, in south africa don't have to pay, let's say, for our russian mistake. because at this point of time, the most vulnerable countries are not even forced to carry the burden of the of the

western sanctions. because it was like something about russia. the group is a group of it is a limited works. remember when in the, in the solar system, where does this book take? notice? communication photos, please. therapy is never such a high state. that's what i have been on. the thought part of the world says this focus is immediate in record time. the point of a form of war when you impose sanctions ready, clearly warfare gives other people is affecting us. now what is the bed of beats? we feed into the pencil bombs, which we did with ministers with almost every way. we're not part of this. that's why we have got the right. i would say, why does this blackman's talking? who he's right to the end of the web in sub i will the right to the 2nd of the world to point a finger at the wrong thing about his deputy. we can kill the

bidding of the sanction. good day the go, the sanctions, the unilateral, they're not united nation. we in south america. so the live intent for 30 years. we asked from 1960 to 9090. we had asked for counters to impose sanctions on south africa. they play jokes with us, deadly dogs with us. the sanctions don't last have i had mouth where there was in one day. we understand the games are going to be all real things that we're asking for people to recognize the 48. and i went to say this for the last time, the danger of what is happening in that part of the world. you can have this wall breaking out into something else because of mistakes. incompetence, like less ness or a miscalculation you see, we're not the leader of the world in this part, one of the world nation. everybody including prison,

putting i in danger because other people may take advantage of the situation and throw him you flat on top of the clearly lead us the white house lead us the claim, lin, lead us prison. zelinski. people have got to sit down and by the week is the model . if you don't, there was she was friends of the checks nipple sheet with you. and then you see that in with you see done, it may well get how the world war one more to ended, you know, what did it. but today we can talk with jamie people. but when you get on, you know, you, do you think you something but he's been gone for a buy a car for the children on both sides of the fence. these are all the children of the don does the book called and quite close the door by shallow, the dawn with shades, if ever, by both washing any painting people, you all belong. well mister separately, i called dad, so not only our past but also our future, but we have to leave it there. thank you very much for your wisdom. i hope i have

a stamp on this. but for the children live to school. there just conflict country. thank here, it's our viewers for watching home this year again next week with me. ah. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on of very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i'll see how that strategy will be successful,

very critical time time to sit down and talk with ah ah, ah, need to come to the russian state will never b as tight as on the north landscape with

will ban in the european union. the kremlin machine, the state on russia today, and our t sport now, given our video agency, roughly all band on youtube. a with me ah

ah. a teeth virus breach between israel in the islamic. you had broken garza with rockets, fire, just minutes after i went into effect. men additionally slightly bent at him and any point a correspondent is targeted and shot out by israeli military as firing intensifies at the israel palestine border. multiple victims and buildings of blades as ukraine continues its relentless attack on the don. yes, republic with more than 400.