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i hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm funeral about kevin, it's western bathroom. got some truly bad news. last week, amnesty international says ukraine's fighting tactics endanger civilians, zalinski and his gang are not the innocent victims media claim was. we hear a lot about a big offensive soon. well, will it be ukrainian or russian? oh, discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, george samuel in budapest. he's a pod counselor at the guy which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have to meet with bob and she's a political analyst and editor. and you know me, internet media project or gentleman crossed up rules and the fact that means you

can jump any time you want. and i would appreciate it. it's not good. that's good on the care of government. was very disappointed with the international report and claiming that the tactics that be great in using is violating the rules of law of war and could be potentially being there's more crimes and then the, the international pot back and said, you know, after all of the criticism because if you criticize a government, it's a here a can to being an apologist to racist transport. just about anything you can imagine. ok, just are limits here. but if you've been following independent media, the claims that embassy internet is made. we've known this from day one, that's not a surprise whatsoever. what is a surprise? is that a western n g o would have the courage to actually say the truth, your thoughts? oh, that's right. let me walk in. ukraine has been a liberals, a war,

which means that not only do we have on one side and the it was victims when you have absolute evil on one side. absolutely good on the other. and of course, one side is the victim of on just the quite an unprovoked. what was that to say? i always know about that. and so when and the state comes along, as you say, the stuff that we've known from which is that the ukrainian forces have been using as military bases, schools and hospitals. then that of course, calls the whole equation to question. so that's why the most furious onslaught has come from liberal media outlets such as the guardian, which you naturally give highlight all the stories from ukrainian government officials across america, american,

british government officials list actual nonsense. this is a very poorly researched report. the. the am, is the people on the ground? no, absolutely nothing, but a saying, well, we've known all along, they're using schools and hospitals for reason in order to draw retaliatory fire. and why do they want to draw, reject it, or if i so they can then point to rushes, asking, making all kinds of media and the western double play along the left repeating ad nauseum that live with the russians are committing walk right when and we know that they deliberately, i mean this is when they deliver to them plenty of other places where they could have had military bases. instead they went to school. when that school was destroyed, they moved to another school to get when one hospital just read them. and i, again, this is, these are places where they want to look for. so actually,

when this equation russians are actually evil, and your brain is, are absolutely go shatter, then all hell breaks loose. it with every passing day, the reality is, are infringing upon the propaganda. this is the most propagandistic war we've ever seen on our lifetime. i thought you're right about this is much worse. and so i just have been, you know, when the curtains pull back, you see a very different reality. and that's why these people, you know, their hair gets on fire because you're not supposed to say that you're not supposed to even think these kinds of things. but it's, like i said, with george and said here is that this has been very well documented. if you really want to know, and if the international didn't just come across, something unusual, came across something that's very common place. unfortunately, i had, well, this is the most frustrating thing about this, all the russian media and excuse me,

the local media in us then have been reporting about these thousands of thousands of times during the fight in, in march, or during the fight in the, in several years they all was the ukrainian force us keep using came to got off and schools while they are military basis. and there was blank for each and there was 0 dash and bait to that in the west. so the me of the more tried to is that if you want to attract attention to your death, to the risks for your life, you will have to go to these keeper groups because i can see that these people, hypocrites, you know why i saw they are press one, for instance, in more school you the mind is the thousands and thousands times. to be frank with you, you know that the language used by amnesty international or baltimore in change. not about the word. it was right. it was very keep go. i mean, i don't like these people, i have heard of their egypt language that they use,

but they are the only ones who can attract attention. the west just doesn't be a they're going to asians, the west. don't believe it's opponents. so the only way you can attract attention is by wanting to these people, and this is not the 1st time you know, human rights watch in 2014 report that the use of class can munitions by the gradient forces. i'm close to 2014 ukrainian government was use class to munitions . this is from human rights watch. this is again the was a war and may amount to crimes. this was documented at least 14 times in the nav. this was documented by the international committee there at ross who was killed in october, all the use of class to be sure. so i remember when this report came out, how the western media try to talk, you know, cause you know,

people who don't yes, were very enthusiastic about it because of jesus. for the 1st time the western meet a stallion now and then the media. there was a lot of criticism. and as you know, human rights watch, just like amnesty international, try to balance it, you know, with a lot of reports on, you know, crimes committed by the other side. so, i mean for me, the most frustrating thing is that this is something, this is something obvious. something that you don't have to be a specialist. you see, you see everywhere in the grade and all the, when i'm going to national finally reports of the re some of the bait. and mr. lansky gets angry. and the head of that amnesty, international, ukrainian euro song because you suddenly leaves saying that her code them use right? correct up to be different from the amnesty international values. now,

you know, you need about themselves, and the mediately she has to resign because jesus, they don't know what is the software or russian speakers. all thing was, you know, you know, george, i mean, i guess it's kind of an interesting juxtaposition, you know, being on the cover of both magazine and amnesty international. i guess you kind of get your pick as it were here. but that's just the point. you know, isn't it, i mean, it's not, you know, the, the suffering of the p and it, all people suffer on the ground going wars. ok, let's be honest about that. ok. but i mean, this western media propaganda kids, you know, i mean, how many times if, you know, we've seen situations like this and they make it on the cover of both magazine. i mean, they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't of course, i didn't do the lensky any good at all because that was even too much for the lens

. is biggest fan. going to go back to the sea into these international humanitarian organizations. they are part of the western propaganda machine because they are there to demonize the foe of the day. you know, whether it's that i was saying in the ninety's it was a loss of h, a p a right? these are both of these people are actually months as they can make war. and if you look at how these organizations fund themselves, they are a lot of very wealthy people for some nation, georgia and i was, you know, give them huge amounts of money. i mean, these are lavishly funded organizations, the people who are on the boards of these organizations, all former politicians, for government officials, for intelligence agency and the, you know,

this is a reputation, but occasionally they want to balance things. and so let's say 10 reports that human rights watch publish is about the horrors the russians are treated. once they might say something about negative, about what the gradient just 10 versus one. but even that one publication. and that's all it all hell breaks loose. ready and then there's an immediate attack saying, you know what, this is, you know, you don't know what you're talking about. you're drawing equivalence between aggressive rules and victims and often happens. they need to have to start backing away now. so i'm listening to just run by this guy. a mug hasn't done so and she does have a certain reputation because she was the person who wrote that report about the assassination. oh, you're a general. so the money she said that was essentially a war crime. so she, she hasn't back to way is yet,

but i think that will be further repercussions with, well, keep an eye on it. and then it was a lonely call in the words about why don't we investigate ukraine's all the guards . again, everyone you know, runs in shivering. you know, you can't do that, you know? because, you know, we still have more and more money being bored in. we don't know where it's going. nobody really knows where it's going. we don't know who has all the codes and all of that, but it seems to be disappearing. i mean, but no investigation of people that have no criminal history. go ahead. well again, ok, here you have the if you believe this use of language, why don't we investigate ukrainian oligarchs? why don't you investigate american already got, you know, the one only got it is, you know, it's just, it became effective. if you don't like somebody who is rich, you go human or to go. right?

and this is the only way this machine can operate the way. i mean people are very rich and they're very unlike book they can work together. exactly. i mean each, i'm sorry, 2 minds meals starting soviet union. someone who yesterday was a respect the official like you guys are in tomorrow because the paper, school deviation, you know, and left just deviation for right is deviation. suddenly he becomes a criminal and anything can be used to get, you know, the same story here. and then when george said, you know, this is the one, it's not even going to one that's 100 to one and steel. these people cannot tolerate any criticism. again, it reminds me all of the times of the soviet union and not in favor of today's west, because look in macon, 62, a soviet magazine, molded me, or published these, are, these, gro was walked by alexander. so the one day the wife was denise it and immediately

you know, why did people believe people only then believe in status repressions? well the so you saw me magic in the song you stayed on us about it. i got to read it real estate. oh ah ah

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ok, go back to change gears a little bit here. we've heard through official media, corporate media that the trainings and they're getting a 1000000 man army together and there's going to be a big fan. so i think there may be in a pen. so this month i can do that. it's going to be the ukranian one, but i have the theory about it and it's kind of going to tell us what we said in the 1st part of the program. this is actually a fundraising event. this is the, you know, their fund raising. you know, we're going to get it offensive to get there. you know, we need support, we need money more, more money, more money. that's what it, it seems to me that's kind of like a powerpoint presentation. you know, there's a pencil because from what i can tell me if i'm wrong, they haven't really had one significant strategic, tactical, big 3 in all of this. go ahead. yeah, i completely. i mean,

i think that the ukrainians, a government essentially trying to get more money out of the united states and, and they're doing it by going on about how they get amount this huge offensive. and, and, and it's something that works because, right away the media report, the upcoming events, that if you really are planning and offensive, the one thing you don't do is, you don't publicize it, you know, you don't tell your opponents, you're about to attack them. and then get them to move them horses and be ready for your offensive. i mean, that makes absolutely no military sense whatsoever. yeah, the media report series. yes. and then hope campaign will be actors. and yes, and sure enough,

by just announced another $1000000000.00 worth of emulation to be offensive. and that's the way they need to maintain the stance that they're somehow on the brink of winning this war. because otherwise, leave americans and everyone else are going to stop the question. where's this going, how can we go on, essentially depleting our own cameras and sending them weapons? we don't know where, what's happening to these weapons. they don't seem to be any good because you know, the moment we send you 1000000000 dollars worth of weapons from somebody, we need another 1000000000 dollars for what is happening. so i have to keep doing this in order to keep this channel going indefinitely. it giving money seems to be an excuse for everything. ok, good money will solve everything. but considering over the past few months,

the amount of western arms in monetary it hasn't had any impact whatsoever. so throw more money at it. i get, you know, this is something that is really hard to comprehend. i personally think this is my personal opinion. is that the campers in there, they're just trying to see if they can get as much as they possibly can before they have their moment of reckoning. ok, and so we, i make reference to the afghan president with his helicopters leaving the country. you get my point as well. i think this is a disaster situation where we are now control for money, corrupt officials in your grade. and we have people in the united states who basically failed with all of their predictors. but of course you would charge single weapons and money. it was just last week, the german press reminded us, or mark me, you know, they handle the joint chiefs of staff just 2 weeks before the russian special

operation began, he predicted that there will be a war. it would last for 72 hours. the russians would take even 72 hours and then there would be a long, protracted grima fight. you know, everything happened bank 100 percent different. you know, the ukranian army was not able to get paid, but i get, it continues to fight. but there is no good re, we're all on the 30 of the project control for a very simple reason. the ukrainian army is fighting so well precisely because of the crew to the regime. if you don't go to the army, you get arrested. you go to prison, if you say something against the government. now, you know, look, a member of the shaking chemo your crate was, was a basically assassinated. you shot dead by the great insecurity force on the suspicion on the suspicion on the trail. so basically these are very poorly,

the army fights on the terrace to switch this regime controls when this really leaves, like on the 3rd, you're going boss on that there are some people leave completely different life and try to forget, you know, about this regime. they won't be afraid that they would come back. that's true. they're freight. they will come back, but there is no good. reasonable. it's not, again, it's that, you know, the problem with the united states is that it fights was, it starts worse in so many parts of the world. but finally, these people get confused. you know, they confuse against them from. ready green yugoslavia, vietnam and the other things. so about answering your coverage on the plan, all these more awards from the same air condition office in the suburb a that's a sad reality. yes. about basically what is really dangerous. it's not just the loss of money. it's that danger, always glacial. and in that sense, there was

a pretty interesting article in the economist last week, which was headline, what would push the western russia to nuclear war. and basically, the jonas that he saw the change in a few years of the states. you know, when all of the predictions failed and will be, became a war of 2 armies. suddenly the united states review its position and starting from april, they started sending very dangerous weapons right. in since june, the position is not to not to let you grade loops, we're not going to it. ok. you know what, we don't want to bring to win. because obviously the goals which as you know, just they don't really, you want all the time to back. and she speaks about a striking of russia, the less the says, oh, we don't support that, but we don't want to create a that's a very broad definition. i mean, they use then that's not a military strategy. that's a, it's not

a political strategy need that. so as an article and they want to just answer with a very good book that i will use here are the quote to shannon and economist will set that up launching into what is not a shop agent leave. but one can stand termed it down and decide whether or not the punch or rather it's a slippery slope. and no one can be sure when the risk is the greatest, you just slide down without notice. and how it looks like a basically a war between russian. ok, well that's a really modern mili has some other issues. ok, i suppose you would want to fight a well, you know, george, everyone knows that ukraine awhile has been wishing to get into nato. it's part of their constitution after all. and then, you know, after the conflict started, they made a desperate attempt to get into the you. but on both accounts, you know, respect about the conflict. you know,

the biggest strike against ukraine was corruption, but suddenly that strike is, is not a meaningful ok. and that's what it seems to me. this is an amazing risk to con job . that the, the west is more than willing to go along with at the expense of their own people. you cannot, if you go in mainstream, you cannot get you in the base energy security in europe for good security around the globe. and because they, this is this kind of a mirage of what, what they want to have that it's literally a mirage in it's going to, it's going to be so many people around the world, particularly in europe and energy in a very, very sober, hard way. and very, very soon, george. yeah, no, it is a remarkable fact. it's, as you said at the expense of their own people, because nowhere in europe or in the united states has the people spoken out in

favor of getting involved in ukraine. there's absolutely no support for the lead on these poles. and in the none of the polls is there any interest at all in getting involved in your brain? so this is entirely war, waged by a lease whose lives are very comfortably. they were very well remunerated. they go to very nice parties and conferences with a lavish lee i entertain. they want to continue this. and when you ask them, yes, but what about shorter just what about energy shortage is what's going to happen this winter? wow. you know, the price of freedom, you know, is something that we have to pay, you know, freedom is a free of the buying. so they're happy to sacrifice all those just as they're having a sacrifice, a wall that they can rent so happy sacrifice their own public for a protracted conflict in which the public is impoverished. and when somebody comes

along to challenge this, where they go or by again, he's only challenged in a very mild way. he's gone along with nato and the sanctions and condemnations of russia. but he does say, hey, we've got to think about also a little bit more immediately on the reject. and you know, we will wait. what's going to happen in italy? because i think it's quite likely that kind of italian populace right will come to power sometime in september and it will come on who wrote a hearing will elicit payments a years ago. exactly. all the stuff that we know how day you break the consensus that this war has to be full in. definitely a want of turkey. he's the one that says, you know, he's, he's 30 comes up into the king maker. i mean, everyone is going to air on right now because he's a member of nato and aspirin for the you. and he's just wanting all of his quote

unquote out. so he spent a very lengthy trip in so j came out, smiling and making himself a broker here. and so again, challenging the united consensus against russia. it's again, propaganda. finish up the 45. 0 yes, i mean the erica morally is not a very good character. certainly he is not, as we say, rush a hero, my role. but he's a great magic person and in the world ruled by a good way to do that is ready to sacrifice europeans. not only the people who are areas of the world, but european, so suffering from their politics now. and they, these people are ready to sacrifice them in this world as a let me just suddenly stands out for you. really. he's better than these so called moral people with them and that's what it takes these kind of complex here you see

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