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ah, [000:00:00;00] ah . hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered on peter labelle . kevin, it's western backers got some truly bad news. last week, amnesty international says ukraine's fighting tactics endanger civilians, zalinski and his gang are not the innocent victims media claim. plus, we hear

a lot about a big offensive soon. well, will it be ukrainian, or russian? ah, he's got these issues bad more. i'm joined by my guess, jordan some you only in budapest, he's a podcast or at the guy which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have to meet 3, bob and she's a political analyst and editor. and you know, it's me, internet media project or gentleman cross top rules. and that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it, right? start out as me can government was very disappointed with the international reports and claiming that the, the be grading, are you using violating the rules of law of war and, and could be potentially being is war crimes and then, and the fee international bought back and said you know, after all the criticism,

because if you criticize the government, it's a mirror i can to being an apologist the racist transpose just about anything you can imagine. oh, limits here. but if you've been borrowing independent media, the claims that the internet, maybe we've known this from day one, it's not a surprise whatsoever. what is a surprise? is that a western n g? i would have the courage to actually say the truth, your thoughts? oh, that's right, let me know if crane has been a liberals war, which means that not only do we have on one side and the it was a big thing when you have absolute evil on one side. absolutely good on the other. and of course, one side is the victim of and i'm just divided unprovoked. what was that to say a fact? and so when amnesty comes along, as you say,

the to stuff that we've known from stuff which is that you bring in forces have been using as military bases, schools and hospitals. then that of course, calls this whole equation to question. so that's why the most furious onslaught has come from liberal media outlets such as the guardian, which you naturally give highlight all the stories from ukrainian government official includes the american british government of it actually. now since this is a very poorly researched report, the am, is the people on the ground? no, absolutely nothing but a saying, well, we've known all along, they're using schools and hospitals for what reason, in order to draw retaliatory fire and why do they want to draw retaliatory fire so that they can then point to rushes, asking,

making all kinds of media. and the rest of the plate along the left repeating ad nauseam that the russians are committing walk crimes when and we know that they deliberately, i mean this is when they deliver to them plenty of other places where they could have had a military basis. instead, they went to school when that school was destroyed, they moved to another school to get when one hospital to just read them to another . and this is, these are the places where they want to look for. so naturally, when this equation russians are actually evil or absolute go is shatter, then all hell breaks loose. it with every passing day, the reality of infringing upon the propaganda. this is the most propagandistic war we've ever seen in our life. i thought you're right about this is much worse. and so just have been, you know, the when the curtains pulled back, you see

a very different reality. and that's why these people, their hair gets on fire because you're not supposed to say that you're not supposed to even think these kinds of things. but it's like i said with george and said here is that this has been very well documented if you really want to know and the international didn't just come across something unusual, came across something that's very common place. unfortunately, i had, well, this is the most frustrating thing about this, all the russian media and excuse me, the local media in us. they have been reporting about these thousands of thousands of times during the fight in, in march, during the fight. and in several years, they all was the ukrainian force us keep using came to god both and schools while they are military bases. and there was blank food each and there was 0 dash and back to that in the west. so the me of the more tried to be and is that if you want

to attract attention to your death, to the risks of your life, you will have to go to these people groups because i can see that these people, hypocrites, you know why i saw they are press one, for instance, in more school you the mind is thousands into 1000 times. to be frank with you, you know that the language used by amnesty international, a. baltimore and change not about the way it was very keep go. i mean, i don't like these people, i have heard of their egypt language that they use, but they are the only ones who can attract attention. the was just doesn't b a r they're going to say, well, don't believe it's a bonus. so the only way you can attract attention is by wanting to these people, and this is not the 1st time you know, human rights watch in 2014 report that the use of class can munitions by the

gradient forces. i'm closure. 2014 ukrainian government was use class to munitions . this is from human rights watch. this is against the was a war and may amount to crimes. this was documented at least 14 times in the nav. this was documented by the international committee, their growth was killed in october, a use of cost of munitions. so i remember when this report came out, how the western media try to crash it up. you know, of course, you know, people who don't, yes, were very enthusiastic about it because of jesus for the 1st time, the less than a day stay, you know, and i was, i was out and, and the media, there was a lot of criticism. and as you know, human rights watch, just like amnesty international, had to balance it, you know, with a lot of reports on, you know, crimes committed by the other side. so, i mean for me,

the most frustrating thing is that this is something, this is something obvious. something that you don't have to be a specialist to see if you see them anywhere in the grade and all the international . finally, reports of the, the, some of the bait and mr. zelinski gets angry. and the head of the amnesty international, ukrainian euro ok song because you suddenly leaves saying that her code them use correct up to be different from the amnesty international values. now, you know, you need about themselves, and the mediately she has to resign because jesus, they don't know what is the software or russian speakers. all thing was, you know, you know that george, i mean, i guess it's kind of an interesting juxtaposition, you know, being on the cover of vogue magazine and amnesty international. i guess you kind of get your pick as it were here. but that's just the point. you know, isn't it,

i mean, it's not, you know, the, the suffering of the p and it, all people suffer on the ground going wars. ok, let's be honest about that. ok, but i mean, this western media propaganda page, you know, i mean, how many times if you know, we've seen situations like this that they make it on the cover of vogue magazine. i mean, they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't a of course, i didn't do zalinski any good at all because that was even too much for the biggest fan. but they're going to go back to the sea into these international humanitarian organizations. they are part of the western propaganda machine because they are there to demonize the foe of the day. you know, whether it's that i was saying in the ninety's it was a loss of h a r b a. it's only right. yes. the rest of the check is that right,

these are both of these people are actually most of the commit walker. and if you look at how these organizations fund themselves, they are a lot of very wealthy people for some nation, george soros and others, you know, give them huge amounts of money. i mean, these are lavishly funded organizations. the people who are on the boards of these organizations, all former politicians, for government officials, for intelligence agency. and i'm the, you know, this is part of the, you know, reputation. but occasionally they want to balance things. and so let's say 10 reports that human rights watch publish is about the horrors the russians are treated. once they might say something about negative, about what the gradient just 10 versus one. but even that one publication. and that's all it all hell breaks loose. ready and then there's an immediate attack

saying, you know what, this is, you know, you don't know what you're talking about. you're drawing equivalence between wrestles and victims and often happens. they need to have to start backing away now . so i'm listening to just run by this guy, a mug hasn't done so, and she does have a certain reputation because she was the person who wrote that report about the assassination of your a general. so the money and she said that was essentially a war crime. so she, she hasn't backed away as yet, but i think that would be further repercussions with, well, keep an eye on it. and then it was a lonely call in the words about why don't we investigate ukraine's all the guards again, everyone you know, runs in shivering. you know, you can't do that, you know? because, you know, we still have more and more money being bored in. we don't know where it's going, nobody really knows where it's going. we don't know who has all the codes and all

of that, but it seems to be disappearing. i mean, but no investigation of people that have no criminal history. go ahead. well again, ok, here you are, the, so you police it, this use of language. why don't we investigate ukrainian oligarchs? why don't you investigate american already got, you know what the, what all of our is it is. you know, it's just, it became effective if you don't like somebody who is rich, you human only got right. and this is the only way this machine can operate in the west. i mean, people are very rich and they're very unlike book they can work together. i mean, i'm sorry, 2 minds meals starting soviet union. someone who yesterday was a respect the official like you guys are in tomorrow because the paper, school deviation, you know, and left is deviation for right is deviation. suddenly he becomes a criminal and anything can be used to get, you know,

the same story here. and then when george said, you know, this is the one, it's not even 10 to one that's 100 to one and steel. these people cannot tolerate any criticism. again, it reminds me all of that times of the soviet union and the lord in favor of today's west, because look in 1962, a soviet magazine, more with me are published. these are these gro was walked by alexander silver newton, one day the wife was denise it, and immediately, you know, why did people believe people only then believe in started to repress us because the saw me, it's a saw me magazine. the song integrity stayed on us about it. i will continue our discussion on real estate. ah

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with ah welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some realtors. i ok, go back to go to change gears a little bit here. we've heard through official media, corporate media that the trainings came in. they're getting a $1000000.00 man army together and there's going to be

a big fan. so i think there may be in a pen, so this mom, i tend to doubt it's going to be the ukranian one, but i have the theory about it and it's kind of going to tell us what we said in the 1st part of the program. this is actually a fundraising event. this is that, you know, their fund raising, you know, we're going to get it offensive to get there. you know, if we need support, we need money more, more money, more money. and that's what it, it seems to me that's kind of like a powerpoint presentation. you know, there's a band because from what i can tell me if i'm wrong, they haven't really had one significant strategic, tactical, big 3 in all of this. go ahead. yeah, i completely, i mean i think that the ukrainians a. ready government essentially trying to get more money out of the united states and, and they're doing it by going on about how they get amount this huge offensive. and, and,

and it's something that works because right away the media report this on the upcoming events. that if you really are planning and offensive, the one thing you don't do is you don't publicize it, you know, you don't tell your opponents, you're about to attack them and then get them to move their forces and be ready for your offensive. i mean, that makes absolutely no military sense whatsoever. yeah. the media report series. yes. upcoming events. and then once the russians defeated, then hope campaign will be after. and yes, and sure enough by just another $1000000000.00 worth of and i'm you offensive and that's the way they need to maintain the stance that they're somehow on the brink of winning this war. because otherwise, leave americans and everyone else are going to solve the question,

where's this going? how can we go on essentially depleting our own cameras on sending them weapons? we don't know where, what's happening to these weapons. they don't seem to be any good because you know, the moment we sent you 1000000000 dollars worth of weapons from somebody, we need another 1000000000 dollars for what is happening. so they have to keep doing this in order to keep those channels going indefinitely. if the giving money seems to be an excuse for everything, ok, money will solve everything. but considering over the past few months, the amount of western arms in monetary it hasn't had any impact whatsoever. so throw more money at it. you know, this is something that is really hard to comprehend. i personally think most of my personal opinion is that the campers in there, they're just trying to see if they get as much as they possibly can before they

have their moment of reckoning. ok. and so we, i make reference to the afghan president with his helicopters leaving the country. you get my point as well. i think this is a disaster situation where we are now control for money, corrupt officials in your grade. and we have people in the united states who basically failed with all of their predictors. but of course you in charge of saying and weapons and money. you know, just last week the drum press reminded us, or mark me, you know, the joint chiefs of staff just 2 weeks before there are some special reason to begin. he predicted that there be a war, it would last for 72 hours. the russians would take even 72 hours and then there would be a long, protracted gorilla fight. you know, everything happened bank 100 percent different. you know,

the ukranian army was not able to get paid, but i get, it continues to fight. but there is no good re, we're all on the 3rd to the pressure control for a very simple reason. the ukrainian army is fine so well precisely because of the crew to the regime. if you don't go to the army, you get arrested. you go to prison, if you say something against the government. now, you know, look, a member of the shaking chemo your crate was, was a, basically a session, a video shot dead by the great insecurity force on the suspicion on the suspicion or the trail. so basically these are very poorly, the army fights on the terror to switch this regime controls when this really leaves, like on the 3rd, you're going boss of that. there are some people leave completely different life and try to forget, you know, about this regime. they won't be afraid to come back. that's true. they're freight

. they will come back, but there is no reasonable. it's not again, it's that, you know, the problem with the united states is that it fights was, it starts in so many parts of the world. but finally these people get confused, you know, they confuse against them from. ready green yugoslavia, vietnam and the other things. so about answering your question because they plan on these words from the same air condition office in a suburb a that's a sad reality. yes. but basically what is really dangerous, it's not just the loss of money. it's that danger or escalation and in that sense, there was a pretty interesting article in the economist last week, which was headline, what would push the way russia to nuclear war. and basically, the goal is that he saw the change in a few years of the states. you know, when all of the predictions failed and will be, became

a war of 2 armies. suddenly the united states review its position and starting from april, they started sending very dangerous weapons right in since june, the position is not to not to let you grade loops, we're not going to it. ok, you know, like we don't want to bring to win because obviously the goals which as you know, they don't really, you want all the time to back. and she speaks about a striking at russia. the less the says, oh, we don't support that, but we don't want to grade to those. that's a very broad definition. i mean, they use a military strategy. that's a, it's not a political strategy neither. so is there an article and they want to just answer with a very good quote that i would use here on the quote to shannon, an economist who sent that blonde into what is not a shop agent leave. but one can stand firmly look down and decide whether or not to punch or rather it's

a slippery slope. and no one can be sure when the risk is the greatest, you just slide down without notice. and how it looks like a basically a wall between russian april. ok. well that's a really modern milli. has some other issues. ok, i suppose you would want to fight. you know, george, everyone knows that ukraine for a while has been wishing to get into nato. it's part of their constitution after all. and then, you know, after the conflict started, they made a desperate attempt to get into the you. but on both accounts, you know, the respective of the conflict. you know, the biggest strike against ukraine was corruption, but suddenly that strike is, is not meaningful. ok. and then that's what it seems to me. this is an amazing risk to con job. that the, the west is more than willing to go along with at the expense of their own people. you cannot, if you go in mainstream, if you cannot get you with

a base energy security in europe for those security around the globe. and because they, this is this kind of a mirage of what, what they want to have that it's literally a mirage in it's going to, it's going to be so many people around the world, particularly in europe and energy in a very, very sober, hard way. and very, very soon, george, you know, it is a remarkable fact. it's, as you said at the expense of their own people, because nowhere in europe or in the united states has a people spoken out in favor of getting involved in ukraine. there's absolutely no support for this or don't these poles and the none of the poles. is there any interest at all in getting involved in your brain? so this is entirely war, waged by a lease whose lives are very comfortably. they were very well remunerated. they go

to very nice parties and conferences with a lavish lee i entertain. they want to continue. and when you ask them, yes, but what about shorter just what about energy shortage is what's going to happen this winter? wow. you know, the price of freedom, you know, is something that we have to pay, you know, freedom is a free of buying. so they're happy to sacrifice others just as they're having a sacrifice the ukrainians for a war that they kind of went so happy to sacrifice their own public for a protracted conflict in which the public is impoverished. and when somebody comes along to challenge this, where they go or by again, it is the only challenge in the very mild way along with nato and the sanctions on condemnation, russia. but he does say, hey, we've got to think about also a little bit more immediately on the reject. and you know, we will wait for what's going to happen in italy because i think it's quite likely

that kind of italian populace right will come to power sometime in september and it will come on the a hearing will elicit payments and all the stuff that we know how day you break the consensus that this war has to be full in. definitely a want to turkey. he's the one that says, you know he's, he's 30 comes up into the king maker. i mean, everyone is going to air on right now because he's a member of nato and aspirin for the you. and he's just wanting all of his quote unquote, hours. so he spent a very likely trip, and so she came out smiling and making himself a broker here. and so again, challenging the united consensus against russia. again, it's propaganda. finish up the 45. 0 yes,

i mean the air go morally. ready is not a very good character, certainly as long as we say, rush a hero my role, but that he's a great magic person in the world. the ruled by a lady. all that is ready to sacrifice europeans lock on it. the people who are areas of the world, but you are being so software from there for it now. and they, these people are ready to sacrifice them in this world as a bread. me just saw them, it stands out was if you really, he's better than these so called moral people in the, you know, and that's what it takes these kind of complex here you see who's ideological, who's not, who's pragmatic and what policies work and policies that don't work and i, but when it gets a year or a gentleman, that's all the time we want to think we get some good here in moscow. and i want to make our viewers were watching us here are the, remember,

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