a with me, after the legendary pink floyd funder roger waters hits this spotlight after a recent interview to see an end where he accused the usaa fueling the conflict in your brain, made other statements contradicting the western narrative. we'll be hearing from the rock star live in just a few moments time, also ahead on the program. so this is a firing position. there are several basements all around the place with similar firing position. so what is this, if not, proof that ukrainians you civilian houses as that cover? nationalists forces are again accused of using civilians and done by us. human

shooting. as an rti cru visits the frontline with the wagner private military, with german officials, warren, about possible social unrest, which could be worse, they say than the protest over the cove. it says electricity prices are already 5 times higher than just a across the globe around the clock. this is our t pleasure that help you with us today for the news mark. my name's roger waters, the founder of the legendary rock group, pink roy made plenty of headlines this week. now after an interview he gave to cnn, where he rejected the u. s. narrative and some of the most pressing issues of the day, including the reasons for the conflict in ukraine and tensions over taiwan. well,

we've invited the legendary rock star to discuss freedom of the press and the u. s . along with the rule of the median covering modern conflicts, sanctions on russia, gas issues and more. besides with mr. water is you are very welcome to r t international. thank you for your time today. can we sit down in a moment or 2 on that recent interview, you granted to see and, and it got a huge reaction both from those agreeing and opposing your views. but did people watching it really see exactly what you said? it's been a lead, some of it was cut out. is that right? yeah, that is correct. and if you, if you wanted to see any more about that, i believe on youtube that they've still got the whole interview. ok. so you can see that it was heavily edited, which is a shame because the whole interview is only 18 minutes long. i think

a ed 7 minutes, 7 or 8 minutes. so the cut out about 10 minutes. i mean that a little bit of judicious editing is cool, but all the conversation i had for instance, about the grain was heavily edited. and so it didn't really represent my real views. i do have real views on the ukraine by the way. i sort of feel, i'm in a very privileged position here talking to you now because there are very few places where i can get any time to express my views and the views of all the other fighters, the piece, and there are millions of them. and the united states has, i'm sure there are in russia, and as i'm sure there are a new crane as well, probably more than anywhere else. and what we're fighting for is obviously in the short term piece in the ukraine, an end to the war, which i think could be achieved pretty easily. and beyond that, i have to say,

support for the universal declaration of human rights in paris, in 1948. that is the other platform on which i am. well, until the day i die, i mean, i could talk about michael smoke cornish em. who if you watch the whole interview, you'll see that it was quite a jovial affair. the end of it, we shake hands. and you know, we agreed to talk more at some point so if you want to talk about that we could, but i think there are far more important issues that we could address mainly mainly piece in the we have to pull together and join our voices. my side to demand that the parties come together and start to talk to one, and that means the united states of america and it's leaders agreeing to be

involved in talks to stop the war. but you're now, you're paying them too many innocent people are dying on both sides though we have time to delve into that. absolutely. but if i, if i might just stare, continue without into for just a little longer, as you say, it was a jovial afer after the view. indeed, the percentage joke, but you're a trouble maker, but behind the banter and he was a fan, you can see that it is that how any one is seen, who doesn't tow the mainstream lajna an an irritant for want of a police? of course it is. yeah, of course it is, but we'll know that that's true in almost every country in the world. anybody who doesn't tell the government line is a troublemaker. i bet you've got millions of troublemakers in the russian federation there. there are lots and lots of us in the united states, america and the u. k. and all over europe and all over the global south as well,

of course, and i'm proud to be a troublemaker, the troublemakers, the important people, the troublemakers took to the streets in 2003, on february, the 14th just before the u. k. and the united states of america invaded iraq had murdered about a 1000000 people said we were there and, and we weren't just in london and in madrid, we were all over the united states. we were all over the world. we were in the streets saying, this is a huge mistake. connect goes against everything that we believe in. but specifically it goes against the universal direct declaration of human rights. the iraqi people have rights to and you are not liberating them. you're murdering them . and we said that 25000000 people in the street. i'll stop hectoring you about that, but it's really important to know that we are a large community. so even though i don't know any of them personally,

i am now representing world without war coat paint and i won't go on mentioning their names because there are too many to mention. but we are a oval falls of we believe in love for our brothers and sisters, all of them, including the russians and the chinese, and the ukrainians, and the americans, and the french, and the germans, the ecuador ins and the peruvians. and that she lands on the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. ok, should that is our platform and where shake of watching lunatic leaders, including your lunatic liter banging heads. though though i do think in this case, well now i won't go you. if you're going to get to the ukraine at some, well, yeah, absolutely. but yeah, as you say you've, it's something very important to you. and unlike many that people criticizing, you've done the research over many years as well. it was question mister waters, why your views were being heard at all, but i would suggest artists,

cultural figures have always shared their views. so why are you being singled out? well, well, they haven't always unless it's a problem and they're not. now that's why i'm being singled out because i, i do feel somewhat of a loan boys within the context of the arena. the i work in, i'm a musician, professional musician. i'm on the road. i'm doing a tour at the moment. i'm doing 38 gigs. i think in the states and canada and few in mexico and, and we have a very powerful message in the show that i'm doing, which is the one that i described to you a few minutes ago. it's all about our belief that, that all our brothers and sisters all over the world deserve equal rights irrespective of their nicety or religion or nationality. and it's so it's a very, very simple message. but it's message that by and large, people in my industry are not purveying or spreading more, or they're not making

a loud enough noise about it. that is why i'm talking to you today on archie. cause you can, can you imagine in, in, in the united states america? oh, he's the traitor. speaking to archie. because we're not, we are discouraged from communicating one human being to another. and they're talking to you today is a conduit for me to speak to all my brothers and sisters in, in russia and in the ukraine. and i'm sorry to keep bringing up to ukraine, but it's, they're staring in the past and it's extremely dangerous. it could, the ukraine and taiwan, which was the other thing that we talked about with michael schmidt, cornish though those that those are the 2 points of potential white heat that could trigger the 3rd world war. and people take, don't take nuclear weapons nearly seriously enough nuclear weapons or are deadly

deadly threat as we all know. and yet somehow the treaties have fallen by the wayside. you know, partly because politics isn't taken or diplomacy in the art of diplomacy and leadership and state craft is not taken as seriously certainly in the west where i live. maybe it isn't in russia either. i don't speak russian, so i'm at a serious disadvantage. if i try to understand what's going on, well, it's not your country or from northern ireland, but in russia. so i, i don't claim to know a great deal about m internal russian politics. but i do, i have read all the speeches. i do understand, i do understand the history of the, of the recent history, certainly at 21st century history of ukraine and, and, and others and other things as well. and i take that global view and, and so and up because i'm interested in it a and because i have

a dog in the race. my father died in italy fighting the 3rd, right? you know, i, i, i have a deeply vested emotional interest in what happens to my brothers and sisters, including all the indigenous people who've been treated so appallingly for the last 500 years by we europeans, we said colonialists. and so i have dogs in that range as well, just to delve into different issues then if we can and, and just to widen it away from that interview, gave you told the presenter michael for college that he's believing his science propaganda. and he immediately refuted that, but why is propaganda always said to be just one way flowing and east to westerly direction? apparently never the other way around. it depends on your perspective,

doesn't it? unless you're a troublemaker like may, if you're a troublemaker living in the united states, you see the propaganda coming from the u. s. government. and it is a joke. i mean, it's extraordinary how they invent everything. if i spoke russian and i was living in moscow, it might, it, it's quite likely that i might look at what the russian government are putting out get. well, this is rubbish. this is an app. this is russian press. i don't now, i don't live there. i can't comment on it. that's why people may think that at that my comments are slanted against the american government of the u. k. government, western government western position. or maybe just because they're only hearing 11 way before that. well it rubbish. but they put out mainly the propaganda that they put out is, has nothing to do with the real issues because they suppressed the truce. and so to

find truth in, in the west, certainly, i don't about russia a bed. it's just as hard in russia to find real cruise is, is a huge task. you have to go on to the internet and then you have to sift your way through all the sites until you find an opportunity to perhaps discover what might be going on. and what the truth of something is, i know what those sites are on the internet in my english speaking. well, i don't know about russia. i hope the same thing exist. and that there are troublemakers in russia who are determined to learn the truth about things too. because i bet you're not going to say that just to me that you can find the truths in proctor, all or one of the other mainstream media. i don't know why it's about that. is it now? right. i understand, but it, i don't know, it's about 9 years, isn't it? it's about seeing a lot of different use and making your own mind up

r t has been banned across the u. britain. the u. s. is that not? and i know that yeah, in terms of how that's being seen or is that democracy in action or one? now of course isn't hey, don't cheat me like a child. of course not. yeah. we can, can we be grown up at least in having this conversation. now of course it's got nothing to do with democracy. it's nonsense. if you, if you just cut, it's like, for instance, in my world, the internet is becoming a smaller and smaller owners. more a platform as the government in the an essay, the f b i and the cia and mark zuckerberg and the whole of silicon valley on the whatever . and the google brothers schwartz slowly, but surely a cutting it making its morons moron. i am sure. i'm in their radar, i'm probably in the middle of the cross hairs at some point. they're gonna try and

shout me up for good. and they can, they will put, you will probably find it suddenly i'm not even speaking to you or anyone. they certainly nobody in the mainstream media, apart from micros mccoy nash, would speak to me. and it may be that that was only to now, not can oh, to his michael of connivance in it. but it, obviously it was to their advantage that my interview with michael was cut into little bits and stuck together to make me look like an idiot. i'm not making it. and that's why talking to you today or making absolutely sir, that people completely understand that my motivation is love for my brothers and sisters. all of you, every one, the chinese see, and yet i've done it before every one. but there's in the short term, which is why keep coming back to it because it was one of the things i talked to michael about. the ukraine is deeply important. let us not forget that zalinski was

. he was elected as the president of the ukraine. after the coup in 2014 on a platform of solidifying and hearing to the minsk agreements to minsk too. and also agreeing to end the civil war that was already happening, had been happening since 2014 and the illegal co and, and give em self government and research it a way to the, to the dumbass and to lou bounced and done it. sorry. and labinski, and of course the minute he was elected, somebody put a gun to his head, i so many changed his mind and didn't do any of that. when the law of that 73 percent of ukrainians voted for him, presumably wanted those the agreements implemented. so that they didn't have to

have a wall and it could be stopped in my view to morrow. all it needs is for the americans to come to the table and say, okay, let's go with the men sc agreements and then it would be over. but do you think western officials actually want the conflict to end? no, of course not. no, they have no interest in n in the car. they will fight to the last ukranian. well, or if they do want it to end, why don't they end it because it's in their hands is always as big. it's in nato's hands. it's in jo biden's hands except it's not sin. his whoever pulls his strings hands, they don't want it to. it says, oh, huge fortunes to be made out betral fully enough just before i came on, they are really old. and because i've been reading a lot about all, well, recently, joe. well, who we all know about right hero of us because i couldn't remember who that

the factions were other states the countries in 1984. so i looked up this morning. oh, she ana, okay. which nominally is where big brother lives, which is america, eurasia, which is russia, and east asia, which is china. and i don't if you remember, but in the novel, they solve constantly changing their positions. the important thing is that they're always at war with one or the other and that they can make new alliances. but the important thing to maintain big brother in power is that they have to be constantly not war. does that remind you of anything contemporary that's going on now? the state of perpetual war? because if you ask anybody in co pink or any of the other, or all, well without war or any of the other anti war organizations and they,

they know what i'm talking about because we live in the state of perpetual war on why? because there's a huge amount of money to be made out of it. so that's what these was a for. it's about making money, a very rich people. so because, so why, why do we, the people allow it? why do we allow them to force the rest of us into these situations? bring pride miller. yeah. wrong. well, before we move on to other global issues, as profit for russian, for russian weapons manufacturers, as well as profit for a, you know, you know, you know, what's gonna happen is if i don't put that word in that go going to go, oh, he's a putin puppy, he's a russian no, no, no, no, no. i am a supporter of the universal declaration of human rights from parish at 1948. that is a, if we apply those 30 articles or have articles or are they won't be,

that cannot be another war, not even a single day of it anywhere in the world. ever again, if we apply those articles, you, you mentioned that the, the accusations, puppet of putin. it's interesting right now the last few weeks i've had lots of interviews about cases of russian artists sportsmen banned from competition. the works of russian or thirds prohibited at university soviet monuments demolished across europe. i would suggest the majority of people out there disagree with fear, mentally, but if they call it out, suddenly there a puppet of hus nuance itself, pink cancelled. and how can it return? if no one, sorry, i missed the last sentence. well, i'm just talking about nuance itself appears to have been cancelled. how can it return? nuance yet because when you talk to people discussions it seems to be your either

one or the other over the other you're, you're a potent puppet. yeah. we're one is constantly pointing out the the hypocrisy behind all of this nonsense sir. you know, the, i wrote a letter to the president of you for a couple of weeks ago for had it in front mount, rita, our is public made it public. i posted it. but basically i was saying, if you can a ban, you are in your godlike position as the president of you for a can, a ban all russian soccer teams and that national chain from competing in soccer football with the rest of us because of the invasion of ukraine, you have to banish rail as well because of the invasion of palestine in 1967. you can't have it both ways. but of course they can. they cherry pick human rights all the time, depending upon the political climate wherever they are based,

i suppose. but obviously the, it's ridiculous to ban russian teams but not banish religion or other teams. i mean, ausa pointed out some tongue in cheek cuz i know this ain't going nowhere. i said, oh, by the way, while you are on the subject, you might have a word with the president, a fee for your chum in the world organization football and ask him what their, what their position is on the fact that the united states of america going to be playing in the world cup. and oh wow. possible when they invaded to rock in 2003 contra painting everything in the united nations charter, the biggest war crime, any of us have ever since. what, what, why, why is that? all right. why is that of just total hypocrisy? obviously nothing is treated with them even the hand except it is by me and by all

the other people who want peace on earth and good will to man but all our brothers and sisters. so you know, vega i'm, i mean i don't want to be all ranty because you know it's, it's always interesting avenue in the program. i'll tell i just pivot maybe to more global issues while we have you on the program. roger taiwan, cn claim that the timing for nancy pelosi is vis a could not have been worse leading to the taiwanese people, feeling the aftermath of her pilgrimage as has been called. but yet, beijing, as seen as the aggressor. how do you see the situation where she's an old lady? it you know, nancy pelosi is a joke. i she is. she just is. and yet they are repaired. they are revered in the united states, america, but the u. s. congress is to slice nothing. really. it doesn't seem to have any power, or if it does have power, it won't look squarely, it seems like i am,

like you are today on tv. and i hope some of the people watching this interview as well going, you know, what is right? why are we in a state of perpetual war because nancy pelosi wants us to pay and she wanted to apply and posturing, taking huge risks, completely ignoring the agreements that were made. the one china re agreements made in 19711972 after the nixon busy in 72. it was absolutely great that there's only one china and it's the people's republic and, and it's the whole of china. and so the chinese have held off on formosa as it was cold in 1949 at the end of the revolutionary war in china. where it, where shanker shack settled with his cue to preach, it follows and was supported pens and billions of dollars poured in by the

americans. because of, oh, we're worried about communism spreading. well, listen, if the chinese people want to live under a communist regime or the russians or anyone else in the world, let that why shouldn't they be allowed? self determination. self determination is one of the human rights that is described in, in the paras document. why should you decide you is a colonial settlement in north america? why should you get to decide how the everybody else in the world behaves? they want to rule the world. that is what is so dangerous about american foreign policy. you know, now you've got me on to that subject comes, if russia had a thout, or china had a 1000 military bases, or is it all over the world and were in tend to plants surrounding, oh, she honor and eurasia, oh, vice versa. or if east asia had a 1000 military bases and was surrounding oceana,

it would be justice malevolent and wrong, as it is to the united states step a 1000. but i'm thinking now we know best and we will tell we will rule the world. you can't go well show. i mean you can't do it, brother. if it's a fools, aaron, and look what it's doing right now. look at the ukraine and all those poor people being slaughtered russians and ukrainians. while you say in washington, dc in a checking out your shares in race here. i mean it's just despicable. so i don't know what's gonna happen. i can nudge any of them towards me. what's wrong with minsk to you know now why isn't it in the news every time i apply it, every newspaper in russia and united states for hey,

why don't we just implement the minsk agreements. the ukranian people voted 73 percent of the ukranian people voted from minsk to and for the end of the civil war in the dumbass. that's what they voted for or what and then on getting you. you mentioned joe biden, the the also as you're in the middle of a north american tour, by the way, it's very good of you to speak to us during it as well. i'm sure a lot of people relieve to get back out and start rocking again after 2 years of coven, et cetera. but there is one part of your, your concert job biden's image. when it comes up on stage during your performance. i think it was your anti worse on the bravery of being out of range in does that come in your head because there's a line there, old timer, who you're gonna kill next. it's a, it's a great song. but it's not how you see him as direct as that. well,

joe biden, let's not forget was the democratic whip in the senate whipping up the senate in 2003 in support of the invasion of iraq. so it did joe biden commit war crime to day? almost certainly. i mean, who did they kill the other day with the extra traditional assassination zab. dia is that his name who was supposed to lead the 2nd in command to a summer, been large. they claim nevertheless, you're saying we have the right to fly round the world and murder any one we want. we're using drone attacks and using our surveillance and satellite imaging and blah, blah, blah, you know, they killed our, our walk, his son. i believe you whether her was he, i can't even remember, but it was sitting in a cafe that's after they'd killed al wacky who was a u. s. citizen living in some other country. he was a muslim though and and, and,

and so, so, and he had different ideas about it. so they just kill him. it juice those tuesday meetings under obama. every single one of those meetings was a war crime. everyone but and yet it still goes on and the drone attacks have gone on through trump and through and now through pike. and they go on, you know, they kill silly man and they kill this and that, and the other and, and it's always wrong. it's always walk wrong, always with the way it hasn't changed, the law hasn't changed. so i biden. poor old chap. no, i don't feel sorry for him because he's made his bed and he has to lie annette. this is the man who wrote the patriot act, a no, that's not a walk run. it was a crime, but it wasn't a walk on so that he's committed and thousands of crimes job play and will

continue to do so. his lack of interest in speaking to the russians and the ukrainians. ok, is a walker in my view and you can, people can take that away if they want and tear it to shreds and go, oh no, i've looked in the dictionary. it's not roger's wrong about this. well, it is, it is, he could stop the war. i think it's a crime if you're in a position of power and as a horrific war going on. and people are dying. in a thousands, thousands and thousands of people die and you're doing nothing but all ordinance into it. give them, give them the weapons to keep the thinker, instead of acting diplomatically and stopping it, which you could do in a heartbeat. no, i mean i'm not i'm, i'm not, i'm not gonna sit here and so start taking sides.