ugh, i could talk about michael, smoke cornish em. who if you watch several interview, you'll see that it was quite a jovial affair. in fact, at the end of it, we shake hands and you know, we agreed to talk more on some of the point. and so if you want to talk about that, we could, but i think there are far, far more important issues that we could address mainly or it mainly piece in the ukraine. we have to all pulled together and join our voices to demand that the parties come together and start to talk to one another. that means the united states of america in its leaders agreeing to be involved in talks to stop the war. if i, if i might just stare, continue without injury for just a little longer. i, as you see there was a jovial afer after the view. indeed, the presenter joke, but you're a trouble maker but behind the banter and he was

a fan. you can see that it is that how any one is seen, who doesn't tow the mainstream liner and an irritant for want of a police. of course it is. yeah, of course it is. but will know that that's true in almost every country in the world. anybody who doesn't towed the government line as a troublemaker. i bet you've got millions of troublemakers in the russian federation. there. there are lots and lots of us in the united states, america and the u. k. and all over europe and all over the global south as well, of course, and i'm proud to be a troublemaker, the troublemakers, the important people, the troublemakers took to the streets in 2003, on february, the 14th just before the u. k. and the united states of america invaded iraq and murdered about a 1000000 people said we were there and, and we weren't just in london and in madrid, we were all over the united states. we were all over the world. we were in the

streets saying, this is a huge mistake and it goes against everything that we believe in. but specifically it goes against the universal director and declaration of human rights. the iraqi people have rights to and you are not liberating them. you're murdering them. and we said that 25000000 people in the street. i'll stop, hector knew about that, but it's really important to know that we are a large community. so even though i don't know any of them personally, i am now representing world without war coat paint and i won't go on mentioning their names because there are too many to mention. but we are a global force and we believe in love for our brothers and sisters, all of them, including the russians and the chinese and the ukrainians, and the americans, and the french, and the germans, the ecuador ins, and the peruvians, and the chill. i answered the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. okay,

so that is our platform. and we're sick of watching our lunatic leaders, including your lunatic liter banging heads. though though i do think in this case, well now i won't go there. you look, if you're gonna get to the ukraine at some, well yeah, absolutely. but yeah, as you say you've, it's something very important to you. and unlike many of the people criticizing, you've done the research over many years as well. it was question mister waters, why your views were being heard at all, but i would suggest artist, cultural figures have always shared their view. so why are you being singled out? well, well, they haven't always unless it's a problem and they're not. now that's why i'm being singled out because i, i do feel somewhat of a loan boys are within the context of the arena that i work in. i'm a musician, professional musician. i'm on the road. i'm doing a tour at the moment. i'm doing 38 gigs thank in the states and canada,

and few in mexico and, and, and we have a very powerful message in the show that under, which is the one that i described to you a few minutes ago. it's all about our belief that, that all our brothers and sisters all over the world deserve equal rights irrespective of their nicety or religion or nationality. and it's so it's a very, very simple message, but it's message that by and large and people in my industry are not purveying or spreading or, or they're not making a loud enough noise about it. that is why i'm talking to you today on archie. cause you can, can you imagine in, in, in, in the united states of america. oh, he is a traitor. speaking to archie, because we're not, we are discouraged from communicating one human being to another. and they're talking to you today as a conduit for me to speak to all my brothers and sisters in,

in russia and in the ukraine. and i'm sorry to keep bringing up the ukraine, but it's, they're staring in the face and it's extremely dangerous. it could, the ukraine and taiwan, which was the other thing that we talked about with michael schmidt, cornish though those that those are the 2 points of potential white heat that could trigger the 3rd world war. and people take, don't take nuclear weapons nearly seriously enough nuclear weapons or are deadly deadly threat as we all know. and yet somehow the treaties have fallen by the wayside. you know, partly because politics isn't taken or diplomacy in the art of diplomacy and leadership and state craft is not taken as seriously certainly in the west where i live. maybe it isn't in russia either. i don't speak russian, so i don't claim to know

a great deal about m an internal russian politics. but i do, i have read all the speeches. i do understand, i do understand the history of the, of the recent history. certainly a 21st century history of ukraine and, and, and others and other things as well. and i take a global view and, and so and up because i'm interested it in it a. and because i have a dog in the race. my father died in italy fighting the 3rd, right? you know, i, i, i have a deeply invested emotional interest in what happens to my brothers and sisters, including all the indigenous people who have been treated so appallingly for the last 500 years by we europeans, we set colonialists. ah, so i have dogs in that race as well,

just to delve into different issues then if we can. and just to widen it away from that interview gave you told the presenter michael's for college that he's believing his science propaganda. and he immediately refuted that. but why is propaganda always said to be just one way flowing in east to westerly direction? apparently, never the other way around. it depends on your perspective, doesn't it? unless you're a troublemaker like may, if you're a troublemaker living in the united states, you see the propaganda coming from the u. s. government. and it is a joke. i mean, it's extraordinary how they invent everything. if i spoke russian and i was living in moscow, it might, it, it's quite likely that i might look at what the, the russian government are putting out and, or will, this is rubbish. this is an app. this is russian pra. i don't now, i don't live there a can't comment on it. that's why people may think that i'm at that my comments are

slanted, against the american government of the u. k. government, western government, western position are maybe just because they're only hearing 11 way before that bullet rubbish. but they put out mainly the propaganda that they put out is, has nothing to do with the real issues because they suppressed the truce. and so to find truth in, in the west, certainly, i don't about russia a bed. it's just as hard in russia to find real truce is, is a huge task. you have to go on to the internet and then you have to sift your way through all the sites until you find an opportunity to perhaps discover what might be going on and what the truth of something is. i know what those sites are on the internet in my english speaking. well, i don't know about russia. i hope the same thing exists and that there are

troublemakers in russia who are determined to learn the truth about things too. because i bet you're not in the suggest to me that you can find the truth in proctor. oh, or one of the other mainstream media. i don't know why it's a by that is it now? i understand, but it, i don't know. it's about an hour years, isn't it? it's about seeing a lot of different views and making your own mind up r t has been banned across the e u. britain. the u. s. is that not? i know that. yeah, in terms of how that's being seen or is that democracy in action or what? no, of course is, and hey, don't cheat me like a child. of course. now we can, can we be grown up at least in having this conversation. now of course it's got nothing to do with democracy. it's nonsense. if you, if you just cut is like, for instance, in my world, the internet is becoming

a smaller and smaller on has more a platform as the government than the an essay, the f b i and the cia, and mark zuckerberg and the whole of silicon valley and the whatever and the google brothers schwartz slowly but surely a cutting it making its mourns moron. i am sure. i'm in their radar. i'm probably in the middle of the crosshairs. at some point they're gonna try and shout me up for good. and they can a, they will put, you will probably find it suddenly, i'm not even speaking to you or anyone. they certainly nobody in the mainstream media, apart from michaels, mich cornish would speak to me. and it may be that that was only to a now not can oh to his michael of connivance in it. but it, obviously it was to their advantage that my interview with michael was cut into little bits and stuck together to make me look like an idiot. oh, i'm not an idiot. and asked why talking to you to day or making absolutely certain

that people completely understand that my motivation is love for my brothers and sisters. all of you, every one, the chinese see and yet i've done it before every one. but there's in the short term, which is why i keep coming back to it because it was one of the things i talked to michael bow. the ukraine is deeply important. let us not forget that zalinski was. he was elected as the president of the ukraine. after the coup in 2014 on a platform of solidifying and hearing to the minsk agreements to minsk 2 and also agreeing to end the civil war that was already happening had been happening since 2014 and the illegal co and and give em self government of her son, the way to the duct, to the dumbass and to lu,

bounced and done it sorry. and labinski. and of course the minute he was elected, somebody put a gun to his head. i had so many changed his mind and didn't do any of that. well, a lot of that 73 percent of ukrainians who voted for him presumably wanted those the agreements implemented so that they didn't have to have a wall. and it could be stopped in my view to morrow. all it needs is for the americans to come to the table and say, okay, let's go with the men sc agreements and then it would be over. but do you think western officials actually want the conflict to end? no, of course not. no, they have no interest in in the car. they will fight to the last ukrainian. well, or if they do want it to end, why don't they end it? because it's in their hands has always, has been. it's in nato's hands. it's in job bargains,

hands except it's not sin. his whoever pulls his strings, hands, they don't want it to where it says for huge fortunes to be made out battle fully enough just before i came on the air with you. and because i've been reading a lot about all, well, recently georgia, well, who we all know that great hero of us because i couldn't remember who m that the sections were ordered states the countries in 1984. so our look to up this morning. oh, she ana, okay, which nominally is where big brother lives, which is america, eurasia, which is russia and east asia, which is china. and i don't if you remember, but in the novel they, so of constantly changing their positions. the important thing is that they're always at war with one or the other and that they can make new alliances. but

important things to maintain. big brother in power is that they have to be constantly at war. does that remind you of anything contemporary that's going on now? the state of perpetual war because you ask anybody in co pink or any of the other, or all, well without war or any of the other and anti war organizations. and they that they know what i'm talking about because we live in the state of perpetual war on why, because there's a huge amount of money to be made out of it. so that's what these wars are for. it's about making money for a very rich people. so because this is so why, why do we the people allow it? why don't we allow them to force the rest of us into these situations? bring product, littler. yeah, and robert. well, it, before we move on to other global issues, as profit for russian, for, for russian weapons manufacturers as well as profit for my a, you know, you know,

you know, what's gonna happen is if i don't put that word in there, go, going to go, oh, he's a putin puppy. he's a russian. no, no, no, no, no. i am a supporter of the universal declaration of human rights from paris at 1948. that is a, if we apply those 30 articles or other articles there are, there won't be that cannot be another war, not even a single day of it anywhere in the world ever again, if we apply those articles you, you mentioned there, they are, the accusations, puppet of putin, it's interesting right now the last few weeks i've had lots of interviews about cases of russian artists sportsmen banned from competition. the works of russian authors prohibited at university soviet monuments demolished across europe. i would suggest the majority of people out there disagree with unfair mentally,

but if they call it out, suddenly they're a puppet of putin has nuance itself, pink cancelled. and how can it return yet when one is constantly pointing out the the hypocrisy behind all of this nonsense, sir? you know, the, i wrote a letter to the president of you for couple weeks ago for had it in front. mount rita, our is public, made it public, i posted it. but basically i was saying, if you can a ban, you am in your god like position as the president of you for again, a ban all russian soccer teams. and that national team from are competing in soccer football with the rest of us because of the invasion of ukraine. you have to banish rail as well because of the invasion of palestine in 1967. you can't have it both ways, but of course they can,

they cherry pick human rights all the time, depending upon the political climate wherever they are based, i suppose. but obviously the, it's ridiculous to ban russian teams but not banish religion or, or other teams. i mean, ausa pointed out as some a tongue in cheek cause i know this ain't going nowhere. i said, oh, by the way, while you're on the subject, you might have a word with the president, a fee for your chum in the world organization. vogel, and ask him what their, what their position is on the fact that the united states of america gonna be playing in the world cup and cooks are well possible when they invaded iraq in 2003, contravene in everything in the united nations charter, the biggest war crime, any of us have ever since and what, what, why, why is that? all right. why is that of just total hypocrisy?

obviously nothing is treated with them even han, except it is by me. and by all the other people who want peace on earth and good will to man for all our brothers and sisters. so you know, god, vega, i'm, i mean, and i wanna be all ranty because you know, it's, it's always interesting avenue in the program. and can i just pivot maybe to more global issues while we have you on the program? roger taiwan, cn claim that the timing for nancy pelosi, his visit, could not have been worse leading to the taiwanese people, feeling the aftermath of her pilgrimage as has been called. but yet, beijing, as seen as the aggressor. how do you see the situation where she's an old idiot? you know, nancy pelosi is a joke. i she is. she just is. and yet they're revered. they are revered in the united states, america. but the u. s. congress is a toothless. nothing really. it doesn't seem to have any power or if it does have

power, it won't look squarely, it seems like i am like you are to day on t v. and i hope some of the people watching this interview as well going, you know, what is right. why are we in a state of perpetual war won't because nancy pelosi wants us to pay and she want it to apply and posturing, taking huge risks, completely ignoring the agreements that were made. the one china rom agreements made in 19711972 after the nixon busy in 72, it was absolutely agreed that there's only one china and it's the people's republic and, and it's the whole of china. and so the chinese have held off on for mauser as it was called in 1949 at the end of the revolutionary war in china. out where it, where jenko shack settled with his pew defeated followers and was supported

pens and billions of dollars poured in by the americans. because of, oh, we're worried about communism spreading. well, listen, if the chinese people want to live under a communist regime or the russians or anyone else in the world, let that why shouldn't they be allowed? self determination. self determination is one of the human riots that is described in, in the paris document. why should you decide you? is the colonial settlement in north america? why should you get to decide how the, everybody else in the world behaves, they wanna rule the world? that is what is so dangerous about american foreign policy. you know, now you've got me on to that subject. ams know if russia had a thout, or china had a 1000 military bases or to it all over the world, and we're in tend to ponce surrounding, oh, she honor and eurasia. oh,

vice versa. or if east asia had a 1000 military bases and was surrounding oceana, it would be just as malevolent and wrong as it is to the united states step a 1000, but i'm thinking now we know best and we will tell we will rule the world. you can't though, the world show brighten. you can't do it, brother. it's, it's a bowls, aaron, and look what it's doing right now. look at the ukraine and all those poor people being slaughtered russians and ukrainians. while you say in washington, dc in a checking out your shares in grace here. i mean it's just despicable. so i don't know what's gonna happen by if i can nudge any of them towards me. what's wrong with minsk to you know now why isn't it in the news every

day? why it wasn't every newspaper in russia and united states very, hey, why don't we just implement the minsk agreements? the ukranian people voted 73 percent of the ukranian people voted from minsk to and for the end of the civil war in the dumbass. that's what they voted for you. you mentioned joe biden, is he also a, you're in the middle of a north american tour? by the way. it's very good of you to speak to us during it as well. i'm sure a lot of people relieved to get back. i'd and start rocking again after 2 years of coven, et cetera. but there is one part of your, your concert, ju biden's image when it comes up on stage during your performance. i think it was your anti war song. the bravery of being out of range in does that come in your head because there's a line there, old timer, who you gonna kill next. it's a, it's a great song, but it's not how you see him as direct as that. well,

joe biden, let's not forget was the democratic whip in the senate whipping up the senate in 2003 in support of the invasion of iraq. so it did joe biden commit a war crime to day? almost certainly. i mean, who did they kill the other day with the extra traditional assassination zab. dia is that his name, who was supposed to lead the 2nd in command to a sum of bin laden, they claim nevertheless, your sang, we have the right to ply round the world and murder any one we want. we're using drone attacks and using our surveillance and satellite imaging and blah, blah, you know, they killed our, our walk, his son. i believe you. well, how was he? i can't even remember, but it was sitting in a cafe that's after they had killed our wacky who was a u. s. citizen living in some other country. he was a muslim though and, and, and,

and so, so, and he had different ideas about it. so they just kill him. it used those tuesday meetings under obama. every single one of those meetings was a war crime. every one but, and yet it still goes on and the drone attacks have gone on through trump and through and now through biden. and they go on, you know, they killed suli man and they kill this and that in the other and, and it's always wrong. it's always walk wrong, always with the way it hasn't changed. the law hasn't changed. so you're biden. and poor old chap. no, i don't feel sorry for him because he's made his bed and he has to lion it. but this is the man who wrote the patriot act. i know that no well crime. it was a crime, but it wasn't a walk run so, but he's committed and thousands of will crimes job by and will continue to do so.

his lack of interest in speaking to the russians and the ukrainians. ok, is a war crime in my view and you can, people can take that away if they want and tear it to shreds and go, oh no, i've looked in the dictionary. it's not roger's wrong about this. well, it is, it is, he could stop the war. i think it's a crime if you're in a position of power. and there's a horrific war going on. and people are dying in a thousands, thousands and thousands of people died. and you're doing nothing but poor ordinance into it. give them, give them the weapons to keep the thinker, instead of acting diplomatically and stopping it, which you could do in a heartbeat. no, i mean i'm not, i'm, i'm not, i'm not gonna sit here and so start taking sides though i do, i have looked at it,

or i do think it was a huge mistake. and for the americans to try and push nato right up to the russian border. but far clear of brains than mine. anybody who's, who's concerned about this at all? gone, read everything that john mearsheimer as written about it and watch all his m television, speeches, or speeches on the internet. listen to it, read about it. do your homework, check out the history, find out what the history of the ukraine, and please don't tell me that the ukraine doesn't have knox, isn't it? cuz it does. and the way the way the west flipped suddenly. so it's, it's, yeah, yeah, of course it's nuanced and complicated, but it's not really cuz we are slaughtering ukrainians every day. and they should be alive. there should be taking their children by the hand and taking them to

school and to their ballet lessons or enter their soccer matches and sit there. go on, go, never run around and kick a ball instead of cowering unless shelton's, it's disgusting. but we're allowing this to happen and we are allowing it to happen . boot in is to obviously, but it's a difficult situation. that's why you have to talk to one another. i said the other day, i did a webinar which people should watch. i did it with world without war. it's about an hour long. maybe an hour and a half aren't remember? i forgot. i forgot what was going to say now own no, absolutely a maybe just we can never move to another subject. roger that's very close to your your heart. the people are very close to your heart palestine and yeah, we recently saw an upscale of events. there is really are a strikes and garza killing scores of people at young child sexual girl. and few

words of condemnation from the world on that. they said they were talking tourists is really the fence forces. why do you think i just your views on that and also as an aside, why do you think the international community treats conflicts in in garza and ukraine quite differently? well, it depends what you mean by the international community, right? where i lived in the united states, the mainstream media layout like that because they do what they're told that do what they do, what they are told to do, and they print what they are told to print by the ruling class, by the oligarchs, by the soccer bags and the business is right. and the e long masks and the bill gates is they print what they're told to. i know it's a bit controversial to say that, but if you look at the evidence, that's what appears in all of it that aren't print, anything that i have to say, i promise you that they will never print hang on

a minute. we should be looking at this in a global fashion where all brothers and sisters, we all come from africa. where like cousins, we should be embracing one another, not blowing one another to be they don't think like that. and that's partly because it's sort of enshrined in their political ethos that only thing that matters is the bottom line. and the corporations have only one responsibility and that is to their shareholders. and the only responsibility is to maximize the partner. well, clearly in a civilized place, corporation should have a responsibility to protect the environment, to make sure that the, those in society least able to block off to themselves are looked after. that there's a safety net and so on that we educate our children and so on and so on. and so those are the important things of those should be the responsibility of the

corporations, just as much as they're supposed to be the responsibility of a government that represents the people. well, that doesn't happen. and again, i'm not, i'm not saying that this is only the and i said, so it's just, i live here, i see, see the homeless and on the streets every, every day when i'm in the city. so you see it happening before your very eyes missing out all them. you see the people all around me not being able to make the sums add up at the end of the month because of inflation. and because of that, and because the ruling class bite to keep their wages the lowest possible level that there are they still arguing about $15.00 an hour. oh my goodness, i cannot imagine trying trying to live on 15 bucks and how could anybody possibly do it is impossible. sandwich cost script.