your body? yes, and i feel like a lot of russians have been going towards that section and we need a lot of people feel that to this. if you go way around, you will actually be like, right. this is how i can call myself the world's very stressful. we've been to 2 years have been demick, a lot of stress in general and is how you think about for some time we've been breed out and really show you how to with, you know what, i feel like such a star event right now. i'm not sure i know what i look like they still haven't seen myself in the mirror, so i can see people taking photos of me and filming me, which is actually a really nice thing. i know what that is. feel like now. oh, good people with

and it's around. i think it's safe to say that indeed the most gay was absolutely transformative experience to me to the positive. i absolutely loved it. i went to thank india i want to thank monica, i'm the organizes for making this real and i'm just hoping that next year it will be happy. that's a, that's a program for now. here we're not going to national. thank you for sharing some of your monday with us here in moscow. your program on your world wide headlines returning various mm. ah ah, a

oh, a hello and welcome to cross. well, things are considered on people as well. since we started brushing special military operations ukraine, the ear was tied itself up and not declares it must be independent of russian energy. well, at the same time, terrified moscow might terminate supplies altogether at any time. for the e u energy policy is an ideological struggle. oh,

discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, george samuel in budapest. he's a pastor and the guy which will be found on you to the locals. and here in moscow we have to meet bob and she's a political analyst and editor. and you know me, internet media or i generally crossed out rules and back. that means you can jump in the time you want. and i would appreciate it when i start out with george in budapest, georgia. very simple question. does the you have a coherent energy policy because it seems like, you know, i don't want to use a heat metaphor, but i, well there their hair is on fire talking about how to deal with energy during the summer. in the upcoming winter. they want to cut so dependence on russia, but they're terrified as i said in my introduction that it can be shut off. i mean, what is it? go ahead. that's exactly right. and so we have on the one hand,

lion, you president of the commission, who said we are going to cut us off completely from russian fossil fuels and we will never be dependent on them again. and then the next day she does around the uses russia, although withholding energy supplies, you know, holding back gas, you know, and they using gas as a political weapon. so you awesome, well, do you want russian gas or don't you want russian? yes, you can get a straight answer. i mean, depends on what time of day you ask the question and this is really low point. they have been using russia for months and months of using gas as a weapon. when the only people would be using energy as a weapon, as in the, you know, i mean the, you know, because what they say a russian colon pause then they say we're not going to have any russian oil in both starting in december. and then they close down the stream to before it even

started a grain closing off one of its a due transport, russia, gas, europe. and then we have the, you know, the, the sanctions coming from canada when a compressor that was needed repairing was sent to siemens and germany. germany sent it to canada, canada. so no, we're not returning it because it's sanction, as of all the issues being driven from the western end of the propaganda is the somehow in russia is using energy as a weapon. when, when did that happen? well, a demon, i mean, the real political weapon here has been sanctions. the only thing that's really changed with russian energy policy, b, v, europe is that the russian said this, the base of started charging in rubles, which it makes perfect sense because of the sanctions and the,

and then those swift system, russia being shut out. i mean, if they continue paying in dollars or euro's it would just be frozen, encompass dated. so, i mean, that's the only significant change. and we all of the upper or over north stream one. well it's, it's back in business. ok. most of the gas is flowing again. i mean, it doesn't really make any sense to me what they want to do, and there is no unity in the european union. so what is russia supposed to do? these of the, the, the, you have to deal with independent in the, in the, of the individual members of the you because the, you, as a whole, has no coherent policy. what say you the mom? well, i think sometimes you just plays all the stuff on just a very often they just use this phrase. butcher is using a wiper. they don't even add the political. so people have these. oh, terrible images. oh wow. so this is

a terrible press to say in your so these people are deeply does on even in the way they express themselves. but you are right about the what i would collective incentives. the problem with you is that the song smell is a lot less ration than every member they need to get you. i mean, all the most tragic, more playful. just you don't. so the, you were taken collective. i mean, the situation with russia is just the latest example, the experts in germany, for example, at the end of the conference. you know, he says basically like a 100 percent dependent on russian guess. bulgaria is almost 100 percent event. this is india. it's damaged. so even if germany thinks that it

can provide for itself who is thinking about little guerria? right. the 2nd the 2nd such example is, is syria. i'm in the and that's remember all the events develop or key. there were disturbances that brought us in series called into ever so instead, or either stay neutral or how been off in the middle of the road solution. the you can elect to really support the position. and we know the result. you know, the civil war, the gears so all of them were painful. the students are way you connect. if you know i'm terrified voice, there's no collective though there's no solidarity here. george is in the country right now in hungry. they basically will, i won't say it on this program bit. they went their own way. it was put it that way

. george. yeah, no, that's right. you back last week, a foreign minister, a go, flew to moscow breaking ranks with the rest of the you and signed the agreement with russia for 700000000 metric tons of natural gas. it is a hungry need, a gas as a well, we're not sharing any of those gas with anyone. with a day off, the european commission issued this new dig that of demanding the all you member states reduce a gas consumption by 15 percent. and then that would be a protest from a number of states including spain and portugal, and greece saying, well, why should we come back when our gas use?

this is a german problem. it is very much a part of the way the germans do this. i mean, the germans make these big decisions and then they force everyone else to live with . this is, i mean, casing point is of course the, the decision of i'm going to michael 2015 to start bringing in immigrants into europe, which everyone else was on the under of an obligation to say, well, have a peculiar understanding of solidarity, don't they? we do it. everybody else that solid arity? yes. that yeah, exactly. and it back, it was germany that has been very dependent on russian. yes. and then he was germany that made these extraordinary decisions like canceling the stream too at the very last moment. and so, and this is why the europeans now say, you know, a well, where was germany when we needed them out of the 2008 crisis. 6 and we need

a bailout, suddenly the germans say, well, sorry, we don't have the money to bail anyone out. so now we will the europeans as opposed to. ready bail germany as well, and also we had, over the last few days, we had threatening to shut a pipeline that was supplying europe that you know, that they've been agreed to. and so, you know, again, this adds to the quandary here. i mean, russia threatened to cut energy, but it's ukraine. that is reckoning to cut off russian energy customers in europe. so i mean, went, where's the, where's the anger towards the ukrainians for threatening europe, energy security go ahead. doesn't make any sense. well, it makes sense, but i was logically, there you go. that's made, but it may sound well for me,

i'm sorry. it was. what was the wardrobe all the space opposing north jim bon, enrolled student to me. they said that these rush and get has to go, so the grain will get russia said, all you know, we are wanting to continue to supply through the brain. but that just makes sense to me. now that you know no way to deal with now that there is basically this terrible confrontation within russia and ukraine. your brain is charging some of these by, by saying that that's why and what they call the occupied. so i mean, roughly to gain weight, even though it was the united states, and it was the you that said that you should all rely by green gold to do is this dim explained to our audience, what does the united states happen to be in energy?

can you like me? why do they poking their beak into something that is so important? we're not talking about, you know, the size of a cato here. we're talking about people going to be warm in the winter. you're absolutely right. united space, not and you know, but this russian drummond pipeline. i mean, what we'll do, i'd say you said oh, with a pool is a pipeline from canada, united states. but in fact, joe biden has been doing for us. brilliant, you know, he created all the programs in america and had to do supplies, but we never even thought about raising any questions about pipelines between mexico and canada. united states being the right to to pronounce judgment on russia, russian government project to impose sanctions, all the companies participate in it. and before that donated states and worked

against policy, which was basically aimed at supply and she asked to read and agree funding. well, in fact, part of the problem, the reason why i read crisis is going to be a voice if they had the rough guess what it would be. so, but it was the you, in your opinion, commission, and great a stand tonight states that basically did everything will be solid. the project never ignore me. doors what, what i guess my question was whether the rhetorical in the united states have to do with european energy security. well, it's all about money. they want them to buy american energy. when you know is being fossil fuels are being attacked in the us. so there's only one outcome here, a higher, right, so the europeans. but to get up and cheat russian energy and paper very expensive gulf in american and me. wow, that's a brilliant move business. go ahead. it is,

of course, it makes the europeans very young competitive. i mean, you're already has problems with keeping up with east asia, but now the one thing that they had which was very reliable source of energy, russia, now they've given that up and they've done it on the american pressure, then the calls they give you great as come under american pressure with the americans who grade membership in the americans continue to provoke them to provoke and basically a little hard right? right. really save about ah ah

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ah, welcome back to cross were all things are considered. i'm labelle, this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some realtors. oh, we will go back to d. m a here in moscow from centrally, when we look at this, a conflict in ukraine, at least for the west. um they, they won't say it out loud, but you know, it's not about freedom. it's not about the mob not about territorial, that's all that we keep hearing on the airways, but it's really about energy here and not fossil fuel energy. it's all about green energy. and ukraine is being used as

a segue to push the transition. this is something that, you know, this is a gleeful about it there, gleeful about because they don't have to bring it to their people and vote on it. they'll say it just because, you know, rules based order and all of this type of stuff here. but at the same time, and this is what i need to explain, they're opening up whole mines again and are, well, main natural gas maybe isn't so dirty here. i mean, what are their priorities here? because if they, on the one hand, you know, it's, you know, territorial integrity. on the other hand, it's agree new deal. but they keep interweaving in clashing with each other and they can't make up their mind. what is their priority dema? where i have, i would say not the privilege but the duty. ready to read the warning german press, i'm just read it so we don't have to thank you d a d b side the you know, they the right that 62 percent of the germans for the government's advice and now the work themselves a few times a week and

a for alissa ok doesn't work at 62 percent of people already believe these crap. and you know, the way the government is dealing with people in terms of why you have to read, you know that the temperature also you have to watch read. i mean, these people, it use russian channel there yet, but we know what he told you the difference between all sort of darion and to put it there in florida. gmc ok, don't publish every day just on your president. i so i didn't say how else with what, which theatre waste, you could go to which books you should read, you know how to educate your children. so in this situation, during our walks su, but that, that it darian state, they tell their people how hm what, what is one for their house? there is a very, very strange theory now that washing,

but it also makes is bad. and it's just the plain and the problem with their in states is that they use ideology against mass against mathematics. i mean in gear force, which is like huge or very well medicine. one of their best interest. regardless, all the handle on the, he just gave a mathematical analysis or what's going on. germany has 40 medium households. 20000000 of them are heated by a guest. rational gas, it calls for 55 percent. how are we going to do without ok? so this is a mathematical question, then i know what it will answer. what ran it. worse for short periods of time, you know, don't use your car, don't use your i don't know what else? yeah. go microwave. i mean, it smacks all the sudden, even worse. well, i mean it,

it, george, i mean a, is this going back to the 1840s? i mean, i'm, i'm, i'm trying to understand what's going on in the world is a super competitive police. but, and then we look at the europeans, you know, i mean what, what is it, you know, pragmatism isn't ideology. can they marry the 2? it seems that they, they're, they're, they're, they're pushing things that are just diametrically opposed to each other. and the result is cold and lack of productivity and you know, the world passes them by a, some kind of backwater and this is all done intentionally good. yes, it's a short reason. there's been this seamless transition from lee cove is area. now the energy steering, i mean it's just you, you don't even notice it. so we was screaming at the anti back says the non mosque, whereas the people who were protesting against the lock down, you know,

they were with them because they refused to express social solidarity. they were entirely selfish, and we were supposed to hate them. so now we're rapidly going to be moving into a new era with who don't want to share out the energy. i mean, i'm going to live really in the process. you know, they don't want to share out the gas, and then they can design their own deals with russia. and so this is now everyone who is not going to be taking showers of a to long, you know, they're going to be the, i guess that's a new thing. shower shaming is that the shower, exactly, all people, you know what they cost, you know more than once a month. so if you ever, now it's only going to be a call in be insufficiently a express install or guarantee. and of course, will be put in this, this isn't the how the, you know,

this as the, the said, this kind of a no one ever really for the barrel with it is the say no one really kind of a, you know, to the, from the mental questions about a know when we get on the mental question to what end is all this, why are we making the sacrifice? no, you're just going to shop and just get with the program or else. you know, we're going to punish you and i hope they can shop too long in the shower. we had 0 with 0 cove and now we have 0 fossil fuel. ok. niema. let me go to you. i mean, usually when these unusual and very strident on demands of people, it's during a momentary crisis. ok moment a. so, you know what i mean by that is that, you know, when the crisis will come to an end and you go back to know this is completely open ended. i'll get you started saving 15. you're, you're told to save 50 percent on energy towards what end. i mean,

it will that make the situation better? how lee alleviated, they don't have any answers. there's no, there's no exit from this. it just seems it's going to be akin latoria. they're going to me and then the 40 percent and 60 percent, and the result will be the same. i don't understand what, what they're driving at what their goal is. go ahead, my lease. i'm sorry, ease. i want to go to the area. i mean, if i use rights, something like this, our people are terrified about get, you know, just 19 percent. so inside their own, the suite, while people in russia have been through so many difficult, just them march war i have sustainable. so i mean this is difficult that they get it looked the amy is so strong. amy can make any sacrifice. that means that you should be making sacrifices. ok, 15 percent less. today's going to percent less. the moral. don't ask why?

well, if you ask us why, because you know, if you asked us, why did we support when you greenwich started before being in 2014? don't expect us from sure. these are the people, you know, we have to see places change. so we're not responsible with these people did. they didn't their band, so i'm in the wrong way on the they're all good. nice, nice, nice groups. you know, i don't ask any questions that ask a question, the future you know, via and also what is very important is you always require prices. and 2nd, at that it is, you always intimidate, you will all die from point. there will be an alignment. so if you don't listen to us and if you don't work with all the water line, it will go apps, you know. so basically let me remind you how people are basically broaden germans

into, into horse. you said that we have not enough even space off. let us wrong, if we don't expand into years, we're all going to die. and that was a lie because germans on a much smaller territory after the war to create a sustainable economy which fed up with them. but a segue is perfectly the last question i have for george here, you're right. we have the german economic miracle because there was cheap soviet then that later, russian gas. so, george, you know, on a global scale here, the global south is saying, you know, the europeans got really rich because they had access to very cheap fossil fuels, primarily oil and gas. so now they're looking, they're stepping up your plate, say, our turn we would like that energy to do exactly what the europeans had and what they are they willing to give up,

but we'll make it in line. we'll take it. that's exactly what's happening. yes, yes. but the strange thing is that the europeans and the extent the americans are weighted to a ology that is propagated by the world economic forum and, and ever. and it's not entirely clear what the deal is other than they want to reduce the population of the world. i mean, that's their agenda and green energy, somehow those in, with that agenda the, you know, as was the, the fear of and then x and, and with those, you know, hey, people having children or anything like that. so it's a part of the same things. are they using this a crisis of ukraine, essentially to car all use of fossil fuels and to move to these renewables. they know perfectly well. there is no way in the world that germany can continue to be an economic power relying on solar panels and, and wind,

but the pushing it. and you have to think that based on how long you're in the united states to be kind of this engine for growth. i mean, they want to continue to be prosperous themselves. they don't really want to extend this prosperity to others. i mean, it seems, you know, the europeans want to set an example for the world that, that's something that we see here. and, you know, you know, eventually, you know, you will be carbon chain and you know, this country uses do what are, but you know, that, that will be, you know, it will be another reason for nato. it to happen be, are they being there? but what bridge do be okay, but i mean, but it doesn't work logically because then they become less competitive. they become for the come more irrelevant. and so everyone, the learning example be don't do what it drives you would do the grow, go head in the last 30 seconds, go to you. well, for a magazine smell radio spot,

all in europe, extreme is all the groups not only about which are concerned about it, but also about energy crisis. so we're all extreme is now people don't. and 2nd, there was one person who said that basically by this policy, europe is destroying and you will be in a humane capitalism. that was a gross. yeah. i'm just go get him. so i'm, i'm not saying it on my own. but as i said, it would be go magazine, this is all it's steve, this is always seem to back these o conspiracy theories. well, well, it will have as well. and you're at least in the winter coming up, we'll have cold capitalism. ok. see how that feels. ok, go out. ok. i'm watching themselves a, digging further in into their problems. it's extraordinary to witness gentlemen. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests in budapest and here in moscow. and i think are viewers from watching us here are the remember top roles

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