tv Cross Talk RT August 15, 2022 4:30pm-5:01pm EDT
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the, you know, the president of the commission was that we are going to cut us off completely from russian fossil fuel and we will never be dependent on them again. and then the next day she does around uses russia, although withholding energy supplies, you know, holding back gas, you know, and they using gas as a political weapon. so if you awesome, well, do you want russian gas or don't you want russian? yes, you can get a straight answer. i mean, depends on what time of day you ask the question and this is really low point. they have been using russia for months and months of using our gas as a weapon. well, the only people will be using energy as a weapon, as in the, you know, i mean the, you know, because what they say they back russian colon pause, then they say we're not going to have any, a russian oil in both starting in december. and then they close down the stream to before it even started operating. then because we have
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grain closing off one of it's a do transform, russian gas, europe. and then we have the, you know, the, the sanctions coming from canada when i compress it, that was needed. repairing was sent to siemens in germany, germany center, canada, canada. so we're not returning it because it sanctioned, as of all the issues, being driven from the western end of the propaganda is that somehow russia is using energy as a weapon. when, when did that happen? well, a demon, i mean, the real political weapon here has been sanctions. the only thing that's really changed with russian energy policy, b, b, europe, is that the russians that they start charging in roubles, which it makes perfect sense because of the sanctions and the, and then those swift system, russia being shut out of. i mean, if they,
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if they continued paying in dollars or euro's, it would just be frozen, encompass dated. so, i mean, that's the only significant change. and we all of the upper or over north stream one. well it's, it's back in business. okay. now the gas is flowing again, i mean, it doesn't really make any sense to me what they want to do, and there is no unity in the european union. so what russia supposed to do visa be the, the, he, you have to deal with independent in the, in the, of the individual members of the you because the, you, as a whole, has no coherent policy. what say you huh. well, i think sometimes they just blaze the longest, the launches you or you know, people read newspapers, they often they just use this race. poolgan is using gas as a weapon. they don't p, we'll add bad to keep political. so people have these, oh, terrible images. one weapon, this is
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a terrible bridge to say in europe. so these people i don't even in the way they express themselves. but you are right about the what i would collective incentives. the problem with you is that the song smell is what left ration then every member they can need to get your. i mean all that most tragic more, please don't. so the you were taken collector. i mean, the situation with russia is just the latest example. the experts in germany, for example, the end of the your company. you know, you said basically like a 100 percent dependence on russian. a guess. bulgaria is almost 100 percent event and this is in the magazine dungeon. so even if germany seems to
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be going to provide for itself, who is thinking about go get it right. the 2nd, the 2nd such example is syria. i'm in the and that's remember all the events develop or key. there were disturbances that were brought us in syria and all them do ever. so instead, all either stay neutral or how been also that they need or the role solution the you can elect to really support the position and we know the result. you know, the civil war that for august and years. so all of them was painful. the students are way you can. you know, i'm terrified with voice. there's no collective though there's no solidarity here. george is in the country right now in hungry. that basically will, i won't say it on this program, but they went their own way. it was put it that way, george. but yeah,
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no that that's right. you back last week, the hungarian for a minute, be the the arco flute or moscow breaking ranks with the rest of the e. u. and sign the agreement with russia for 700000000 metric tons of natural gas. he did it because that they need gas, hunger aarons as a well, we're not sharing any of those gas with anyone we went, keeping with this was a day off to the europe in commission issued this new dick that demanding the all you member space, reduce the gas consumption by 50 and the fans, and those are now being protests from a number of states including spain and portugal agrees saying, well, why should we come back?
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yes, this is a german problem. it is very much of bob and boss of the way the germans do this. i mean, the germans make these big decisions and then they force everyone else to live with . this is, i mean, casing point is of course the, the decision of i'm going to michael 2015 to start bringing in immigrants into europe, which everyone else was on the, on their own obligation to say as well. have a peculiar understanding of solidarity. don't they have it? we do it. everybody else that is a solid arity? yes. yeah, exactly. and it back, it was germany that has been very dependent on russian. yes. and then he was germany that made these extraordinary decisions like canceling the stream to, at the very last moment. and this is why the europeans allow, say, you know, a well, where was germany when we need them off of the 2008 crisis. and we need
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a bailout, or something the germans say, well, sorry, we don't have the money to bail anyone out now, is it will the europeans are supposed to bail germany as well. and also we had, over the last few days, we had threatening to a pipeline that was supplying europe that you know, that has been agreed to. and so you know, it, again, this adds to the quandary here. i mean, russia threatened to cut off energy, but it's ukraine that is retina, the cut off russian energy customers in europe. so, i mean, where's the, where's the anger towards the ukrainians for threatening europe's energy security? go ahead. it doesn't make any sense. well, it makes sense. i want you to do you want to be there you go. that's a bit. i'm sorry. it was. what was that was all the states upholding north gym mon,
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enrolled student to bass said that case. these raj guess has to. ready great, so the grain will get russia said, all you know, we are wanting to continue to supply the brain. but that just makes sense to have a battle. now that you know, it should be all well now that there is basically this terrible confrontation within russia and ukraine. ukrainian shocking some of these by saying that that's why and what they call the occupied so, i mean, roughly the game, the way even though it was the nice thing that it was the you that said that you should all rely, your green goals to do is it, they may explain to our audience, what does the united states up into, what is your be in energy?
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can you explain to me, why do they poking their beacon to something that is so important? we're not talking about, you know, the size of our because here we're talking about people going to be warm in the winter. you're absolutely right. united space. not and you know, but this russian drummond pipeline. i mean, what we'll do, i'd say that, oh, with a pool is a pipeline from canada, united states, but in fact, job why that has been doing for us really. and, you know, he created the, all the programs in america had to do supplies. but the, we never even thought about raising any questions about pipelines, mexico into these, these are these things, the least, the right to, you know, to pronounce judgment. one, russia, russian government project to impose sanctions on the companies, participate in it, and all that
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a good time to walk against. so which was basically a reason recently. well, in fact, part of the problem with white, reese had to start crisis. it could be a voice if they had to rush, it would be so, you know, but it was, you know, they were paying commission and a great extent the united states that basically did everything. but be a with, i guess my question was when a rhetorical is the united states have to do with european energy security? well, it's all about money. they want them to buy american energy, which, you know, is being fossil. fuels are being attacked in the u. s. so there's only one out here, a higher price, so the europeans, but to get up and cheap russian energy and paper very expensive gulf in american. and wow, that's a brilliant move, isn't it?
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go ahead. no, it is. of course, it makes the europeans very uncompetitive. i mean, you're already has problems with keeping up with east asia, but now the one thing that they had which was very reliable source of energy for now they've given that out and they've done it on the american pressure. the conflict in ukraine has come under american pressures. the americans who ukraine membership into native americans will continue to provoke them to provoke and basically your business. a little hard breaking up on some real estate with our team. oh ah,
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colleagues and perhaps also your friends think you're guilty because you'll, russian a minute for a specific solution with a 1st time in history and the entire countries culture has been cancelled. the very modern web council culture really desperate, wonderful. i was just a fraud kit, just me sitting there with the phrase now, particularly for us to counseling russian culture. yet them know what to create the field. because it, william,
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i was sure what will be your that is charlie was so out that the most of the separation of on them e, normally what rushes created over the past 1500 years. there's no question. partially condemned, reviled, and rejected. to sort of like you said, it's funny at the bull of bramble, there's a lot closer on a whole bunch. thank you sort a little short list. joining total condemnation, gross daily, and now includes dostoevsky to cascade shostakovich that i need to you all the pool left. but yes, she says that with the time, will you do obama lee? you're not going to do that a little bit of a
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welcome back to that. we're all things are considered. i'm your labelle. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some realtors ah was go back to d. m a here it in moscow from center. when we look at a conflict in ukraine, at least for the west. um they, they won't say it out loud, but you know, it's not about freedom. it's not about the mob not about territorial. that's all that we keep hearing on the airlines, but it's really about energy here and not fossil fuel energy. it's all about green energy. and ukraine is being used as a segue to push the transition. this is something that, you know, this is a gleeful about it there, gleeful about because they don't have to bring it to their people and vote on it. they'll say it just because, you know, rules based order and all of this type of stuff here. but at the same time,
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and this is what i need to explain, they're opening up whole mines again and we'll make natural gas, maybe isn't so dirty here. i mean, what are their priorities here? because if they, on the one hand, you know, it's, you know, territorial integrity. on the other hand, it's re new deal. but they keep interweaving in clashing with each other. and they can't make up their mind. what is their priority? uh huh. well, i have, i would say not the privilege but the duty to read the warning german press. i'm just read it so we don't have to thank you. d a d b side the, you know, they the right that 62 percent of the germans for the government's advice and now the work themselves a few times a week. and a for alissa. ok doesn't work at 62 percent of people already believe these crap and you know, the way the government is dealing with people in terms of why you have to read,
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you know that the temperature in your bottle, you have to wash read. i mean that these people, it use a russian general story period, but we know what he told you the difference between authoritarian and to put it there in the sheets authoritarian regime, say ok, don't publish every day, just on the president. the planetarium is him say, how often wash yourself, which theatre ways you could go, which books you should read, you know how with educate your children. so in this situation, during our walks su with darien state, they tell their people how home wash. what is wood for their house? there is a very, very strange theory. now the washing machine makes is bad. right? and it's just the plain. and the problem with their in states is that they use ideology, engaged mass against mathematics. i mean in your force,
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which is a future or very what madison you model their best deployment of garbage time warmer handle on the spot. he just gave a mathematical analysis or what's going on. germany has 40 median called 20000000 of them. i heated by guess, russian gas eco sport, 55 percent. how are going to do without ok? so this is a mathematical question. there. i don't want to go on. what ran it worse for short periods of time. you know, don't use your car, don't use your i don't know what else i can wait. i mean, it smacks all the sudden. even worse. well, i mean it, george. i mean a, is this going back to the 1840s? i mean, i'm trying to understand what's going on in the world is a super competitive police. but, and, and then we look at the europeans, you know,
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i mean, what is it, you know, pragmatism isn't ideology. can they marry the 2? it seems that they, they're, they're, they're, they're pushing thing that are just diametrically opposed to each other and the result is cold and lack of productivity and, you know, the world passes them by is some kind of back water. and this is all done intentionally. go ahead. yes, it is a short reason. there's been the seamless transition from lee cove is area now to the. ringback the energy steering, i mean it's just you, you don't even notice it. so we was screaming at the anti back says the non mosque, whereas the people who were protesting against the lock down, you know, they were all the terrible people because they refused to express social solidarity . they were entirely selfish, and we were supposed to hate them. so now we're rapidly going to be moving into a new era with don't want to share out the energy. i mean, i'm going to,
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is going to really in the cross, as you know, they don't want to share out the gas, and they can design their own deals with russia. and so this is now the and that everyone who is going to be taking showers of the to long, you know, they're going to be the, it, i guess that's a new thing. shower shaming is that, i mean, exactly, you know, people, you know what they cost, you know, more than once a month. so if you ever now on the, going to be a fall in be insufficiently especially solidarity and of course will be good. this, this isn't the how the, you know, this as the said, this kind of a all, it was no one ever really for the barrel with it is the same. no one really kind of they, you know, i'm the mental questions about
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a mental question to what end is old is? why are we making the sacrifice? no, you're just going to shop and just get with the program or else. you know, we're going to punish you. like go big shot too long in the shower. we had 0 with 0 cove and now we have 0 fossil fuel. ok. niema. let me go to you. i mean, usually when these unusual and very strident demands of people, it's during a momentary crisis. ok moment here. you see, you know, what i mean by that is that, you know, when the crisis will come to an end and you go back to, this is completely open ended. you start saving 15. you're, you're told to say 15 percent on energy towards what end. i mean it will that make the situation better? how alleviated they don't have any answers. there's no, there's no exit from this. it just seems it's going to be cumulative. they're never 40 percent,
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then 60 percent and the results will be the same. i don't understand what, what they're driving at what their goal is. go ahead. logical this, i'm sorry, is what you go to. i mean, if i write something like this, of our people are paid by about 19 percent sections inside their own least while people with russia have been through so many difficult just that much more like sustainable. so i mean this is difficult to get in. the navy me is so strong and you me ok, make any separate price. that means that you should be making prices. ok. 15 percent less. today's 20 percent less moral. don't ask why. well, if you ask us why, because you know, if you ask us, why did we support your greenwich, the whole being in 2014,
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don't expect us to try these other people. you know, we have to see places change. so we're not responsible for these people, did they have their pants? i mean, not on their own, say some of their old age and nice, nice, nice groups. you know, i don't ask any questions that ask a question and you know, and also what is very important to that is you always require crisis. and 2nd, at that it is, you always intimidate, you will all die for point. there will be an alignment. if you don't listen to us and if you don't wash with cold water glam, it will collapse. you know, so basically let me remind your heater basically broaden germans into into was you said that we have not enough space off. let us wrong, if we don't expand into years, we're all going to die from. that was
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a lie because germans on a much more energy off of the world, war 2, created a sustainable economy which fed not only them, but a segue is perfectly the last question i have for george here, you're right. we have the german economic miracle because there was cheap soviet then that later, russian gas. so, george, you know, on a global scale here, the global south is saying, you know, the europeans got really rich because they had access to very cheap fossil fuels, primarily oil and gas. so now they're looking, they're stepping up and say, our turn we would like that energy to do exactly what the europeans had and what they are they willing to give up? but we'll make it. we'll stand in line. we'll take it. that's exactly what's happening. yes, yes, but the strange thing is that the european does that extent the americans are weighted to the ology that is propagated by the world economic forum and,
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and they were, and it's not entirely clear what the deal is other than they want to reduce the population of the world, i mean i back their agenda and green allergy. somehow those in with that of the gender the, you know, as was the, the fear of them. and, and of course, you know, a people having children or anything like that. so it's, it's a part of the same things. are they using this crisis of ukraine, essentially to cover all the possible use of the move to these renewable they know perfectly well there is no way in the world that germany can continue to be in economic out relying on solar panels and when they're pushing it and you have to think that based on how don't want europe and the united states to be kind of the engine will grow. i mean,
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they want to continue to be prosperous. and so they don't really want to extend this prosperity to it. it seems, you know, it's the europeans want to set an example for the world, but that's something that we see here. and, you know, eventually, you know, they'll be carbon changing in this country uses too much carbon. you know that, that will be, you know, it will be another reason for nato or to be, are they think they're too big. okay. but i mean, but it doesn't work logically because then they become less competitive. they become already come more irrelevant. and so everyone, the learning i think that will be don't do what drives you with the grow. go ahead in the last 30 seconds. well, wanting to get speaker magazines will radius all in europe, extremists, all the groups, not only about which are concerned about it, but also about energy crisis. so they're all extreme. it's now people out. and
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there was one person who said that basically by these already see europe is destroyed, you will be in maine, capitalism. therefore ego or sanction. yeah, i'm just go get ah, so i look at and i'm not saying it on my own. but as i said, it would be your magazine, this is always teams. this is always seem to back the whole conspiracy theories. right? well, it will have is, will any, or at least a winter coming up? we'll have cold capitalism. ok. see how that feels? ok, go out. ok. i'm watching themselves a, digging further in into their problems. it's extraordinary to witness gentlemen. that's all the time we have a want to think, my guess in budapest and here in moscow when i think our viewers from watching us here are the remember across up rules. ah ah
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a wrong one on just a kid and engagement with so many find themselves worlds apart. we choose to look for common ground. oh, more so we'll show you the most for so for is you do with russia is the aggression? no, if answered much about nikki, was wanted teach him institution. wellborn, we have any quality for russians. can all we gotta do is just read them over the head and just tell them the right way to live. there is going to do
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