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professor of russian history. unfortunately, rocking diversity of sciences in budapest. professor goes to chris. thank you very much for your time. i appreciate the opportunity to talk to you. hello. you have been researching russian and soviet history for a long time, and you've also analyzed it from the perspective of russian relations with the west . why was this perception of russians as bloodthirsty barbarians isn't a new idea? is it? i thought you started this is an old idea. yes, lynn. if you want to pinpoint the historical roots of fruits of phobia, full b x because i don't know how to go back to the 16th century just not just not the movie and stuff. oh good. in that was the time when brush became, in a way a rival to britain died. that was back than the british empire at depth of open

yoga seed up by scenes that period. we have seen what risks of phobia emerged time and again, taking new forms and serving new goals seek at the bottom. invariably it had to do with the competition in the global arena, says great powers confronted a shoulder and thoughtful, all sorts of advantageous positions. some the global scene. ready by his a professor crashed as far as i understand any anthropologist who will tell you that this kind of fear and immunization of the other tribe is a natural phenomenon. with historically, humans have always thought over. so says, territories and power. don't you saying that given russia size and influence yet it's essentially inevitable for somebody to fairbetter match what you me i me and the same goes for cynthia america, for the et cetera. i mean, he's be as good as the idiot us,

of course sold is different po, beers have existed and will continue to exist. but we must always look for the powers that promote this phobia as you did you for god course cielo. and we must see how much not by hate the people of a given country or region experience, how fearlessly they are attacked bush's because most of these folders me are not at all like grassroots phenomenon. not be made yet. for example, i was in berlin a few days ago, and i did not see any anti russian sentiment when i talked to the people. yet nobody harassed russian speakers. i don't valley shantia, although we know from other german defense ministry reports again that there has been several 100 incidents, 0 issue including attacks and monuments and statues,

et cetera. they did lonia, let i, but this isn't to popular movement years. yeah. there are no cochran suits, nothing like what happened during the anti semitic pogroms images and a sound a mean. so this has a kind of hate that have different routes, so phobia rissa pho, bears an organized top down phenomenon in it has always been that way on the evening. yes. who? yeah, yeah, i. so what you're saying is that from the natural practice, which is inherent in all nations for recent, yes, mr. selby is now being deliberate. he and purposefully transformed into a tool for cheating specific goals. seeing you come up with me. yes, this new type of bruce, a phobia by his part of the war and ukraine. you might, it's a means to insure a cohesion within the collective west to influence the population. loudly woke. the

role of the media is critical. you know, me ketchel yes. channels like seeing, man, bbc, it sat right on. want to name all of them. it's all on that for to demonize russia . we can see every minute of every day, this easy i was planning, say, if i understand you correctly, your argument is that some of the best progress, if mindfully, i say, you must have decided to exploit humanities massey, primitive instinct. i to i be a good at why, what is there an game? he thought i would say income casanya this the other m. m a goose 3. you to laugh me gave an example for the audience and i did get the lizzie that be made. yes. you will, in the e you, there is a top official in charge of foreign affairs by the name of joseph burrell. meely bought it o m o m o,

he is anti russian to the corps and doesn't even deny it. and he, sad that russia must be defeated on the battlefield. my boy, if need to be told what, what is his agenda won't go. why does he talk such nonsense? he sunday. uh he is a man of tremendous responsibility. appro. it's cool. what are we even talking about today? a few days after i heard him say that it dawned on me why i was determined woman in her forties or fifties, speak to shell on z d f and major sherman tv channel, david, bro, grandma, i was yes, she was from a younger generation, not the hitler youth generation. ah, julia gun know what she sad was so baffling. i even remembered her last name. it was gal go your amelia does you?

i was amazed that a sentiment like that could be expressed in the very heart of europe. you have roku, i'm not going to be. she spoke in favor of pumping ukraine with heavy weaponry. and her argument was that we should find the russians because they are a talking are a liberal and post modern way of life. you know, rosky is you. so this woman, another way a chairman said, isn't once sure many to fight russia in the name of european valley is national lead. that was nice. but i had the professor crass my understanding is that the special has more than just a political dimension. it has also expanded into the realm of culture. nobody wants to or yes, this is don in order to serve cultural supremacy over russia. that's why i gave you the example about chairman women. this line of argument is simply baffling for

intellectuals to revert to some sort of racist or nat cpa or rising to cultural racism. it is, i'm think about, there is a massive risk for russia here as well. if it fails to handle these developments properly, just not that i'm very worried about rushes response. we must not go back to the 940 or 950 is back to the soviet anti gus my politan campaign, which was me, me got some. i mean, i think it's an important thing to understand that under the banner, cited russia of russia's cultural heritage, including the heritage of the 19th or early 20th century, it's getting essentially cancel it, not for it, but that's all it. but there are plenty of examples of this kind of idiocy happening. what could you tell us? which one shot to the most of the data, merely solely that it was the story tap in phase of liberalism. it charged me to see that it exists, but it's got to say, i have

a position and it's not the official position of the youth. for example, natalie word though i expressed that position, the roster, not any fear. the voices advanced somewhere on the fringes. if by one to say, i want the truth, i send for diplomacy in peace. this is a very simple position, but where can i make my boys heard you say you didn't have access to the media. you was younger has to, you want find this sort of, athenians expressed anywhere in the media, notting, germany or not, and call and let me know, you know, but i know what people actually think. i've been to many european countries lately . people don't want war. they believe in pace. they are against pumping ukraine with arms because these cannot be achieved that way. miss the miss the meta mask, but instead of payson negotiations, we've got through so phobia, or ukraine,

a phobia that i bought it works almost the same way. all the other side. yeah. you, i mean this is a question. i think i'll have to disagree with you here. because i do not see this and t crane sentiment in russia in part because we all have family in ukraine. any god needs us. no, there is no ukraine of phobia in russia every night, no matter what the media says, we call our relatives to check how they're doing. so they genes, we worry about them all the time. so if someone says this was easy on the russian people that to lie when we realized this is a heavy bad and i would even say great sin in some day we will have to pay for it starting up and get the blood to ignore. but for us, don't thought, but the thing is, the way i see it is that the west left russia now as a choice booked book. that's the trap to do it. right. least for actors involved rocha about the i've already talked about the authoritarian phase

of liberalism. they claim that crush alone is responsible for the war that the conflict. again in february 24th. and then you had a didn't a double the war a started way before it that you might use. i'm a historian, so i analyze phenomena from a historical perspective big school. and he's more began, it made it, we operate the collapse of the soviet union. let's delete the idea of breaking the russia part was a concept in 3 emerged in the early 99 days in the world, so speak me up, but it's in schema. who was a security advisor to several us presidents? no idea since dan native has been expanding eastwards all the way ceased word of us . now we are witnessing the backlash. what nicholas? i think there is something to this conflict we having seen before. not one of the confrontation between russia and the west had indeed begun

a long time ago that way before the 24th of february 2022. or that we have never seen any attempt to ban sykowski with no c. s. he until now. and that was literally, you may have heard the story about a 200 year old oak tree in to again, if museum, which was banned from participating in the european tree of the year contests in order to exclude russia, organic tree, the ways that it i see you know, i mean, this is marana, evade and wanted their voice, or is there some kind of deeper meaning here? is there an underlying papist, or are people just losing their minds? went to law. if he is gone through a li, the goal is to control the population, the public opinion, many and to ready cade all other years. see years mostly through games. oak has no right to exist in the west. will. people will want to know why you, me, bravo fee will be it over or under. explain this,

that you are told russians are evil people. i said they should be punished. my li, are you, are you still now that he not garza, she already may keep appealing to the sounds self, probably conscience to the ideal punishment. so this is a glare. keep trying to implant and to people's minds. the idea that russians are some kind of barbarians. it's in lucy. therefore, european values must be abandoned in ukraine. that's why they pretend that ukraine is a democracy. even though they keep using these concepts as tools with us. you see, while there are a number of democratic countries in eastern europe, just the majority are authoritarian regimes. when he's done the it is she who holland, for example, or the baltic states national a been my own country. mike, you know what? it is very important for the collapse of the ussr,

pacified already all the g. little saying that we follow the same development path as europe ever obisky or as weak base is simply impossible. you cannot build a board, you i democracy without the pro democracy middle class will just do this really is going to build democracy. then i thought it would be all the guards said without any culture from scratch. doherty, what they did was concentrate all economic power in their hands through privatization. nothing more yet. we hear old is nonsense about european culture. well, professor cross, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. the june, ah hi

ah ah ah hi. welcome back to world support with crouse, professor of russian history out there at fortunate run. the university of scientists in budapest has a profession. la, you mentioned the idea of appealing to people's. she says, as it seems to me that the hallmark of russian culture is its complexity and absolute walk. i forgot on that as it appeals directly to the human. so it is not the only coached day that i put that i said the, it's distinctive feature in this month because the thought would you agree to these

attempts to cancel? tchaikovsky to kenneth and dostoevsky are intended to keep western away men from russian culture. a good idea that mckinney g at that was the middle school couldn't use you like that choice so that it can not touch their souls and let them see through. they have not only the rest, the phobia, the also the anti catholic system. this is tamika barbara, the basically squeezes the live out of people come see us in some would save money to humanize as us go with it that i'm not going to. i mean, they're not be me a good day. for example, as that germans woman was talking old. that nonsense saw the prism for olsen made a point. yes, yes, yes, sad that one cannot ignore their deep and breach russian culture. already got dora, which represents the pentacle of human achievement, a bridge old dude. yeah, dogs, you have to admit that because every one knows that store and that so the harm is not as great as we might hear. people want. they filled, they, cecily,

it isn't like a west as over doing it. some in the west are being over zealous in the way they did carry out the orders from washington and brussels. yeah, you have it among the intellectually lead side and see anyone trying to directly target russian culture grow. man, you get to hear some men at wish to have conflicts with the russian scholars. and you might, you know, to my and he, nick, i've got some may refuse to chris palmed with russian and black shoals at the saturate. doesn't you there? but the hatred as my dad's and goes so deep as to warrant a ban on chikavsky or tulsa like dilate like law. and then i don't feel that kind of sentiment just yet. but i called the number of stolen does yet, but you might be interested in, you know, the brokerage yet, your school, you, me,

it, it seems to me there is something home, a superstitious or rich only think about this movement to cancel russia that i think you may remember the incident in sweden, when a concept in support of ukraine was cancelled after the swedish musicians found out when the bell alike, as they were supposed to pray, were made in russia bell alike as good counsel. how crazy is that? this is magical thinking in its purest form. they think they are somehow helping the ukrainians by toying hold lace with old is russo phobia said can a russian, bela like, had the craniums in any way? bullshit. we get a bit of a hope that these superstitious approach will help generate more support. more emotional solidarity with the ukranian refugees. guys give me bonds. that's not true, but we have been helping the cranium refugees since day one. ready we are helping them take russians are helping misaki people of all political views,

old sorts of people are helping yeah. those just yes, we either needed some money to. so all the hate against russians comes from the top . i'm going to use more, but maybe it's just the way i see it, but there has been a lot of mystical messaging in the dollar, but when the kremlin and the white house, when you got senior, took him home and bill and for example, peyton and biden bring up god and that also biden said some time ago, the poodle had no soul, which was quite a strong statement because we really do think that this conflict, when russia in the west is defined merely by the struggle for geopolitical influence. resources is the right to decide for the nation, so probably sides of the game will be or is it also a spiritual battle of some sort as well? yes. these things do not exist separately, but it's very chilled the political envy, konami aspects all work together. but yeah, there is

a global conflict going on in the us and the collective west one to restore there had gemini in the world, giving these up. but what you need to do this, they need to demonize each enemy that poses a real trap. like china, india, et cetera. most indeed are in new factories, some of the global scene, and nobody really understands them. well. this is all about and new world order. well, you say nobody understands them, but i think in russia, at least, i think i do understand them when you're level who wants the motions, you know, have a certain inclination for mysticism certainly, but so do the americans sports with them with sure we are really close in this regard, we'll believe we're the chosen people. so i'll give an example. clever then by new author denounces president putin to narrative speaks bad by the way,

and biden is on a mission to fight rush and all the garbage. if rudy isn't fighting against capitalism, like, i do know, he's targeting russian oligarchs. why isn't he fighting american oligarchs? what's the difference? a shame you by the market or ration oligarch. sorry. bad american oligarchs are good guys. he only got, he's got a she and please as mr. c. as in its purest form. miss me, how can one believe this is your right? one can't, if one is a racial person, i usually go, it's a matter of faith. you bring him. nathan, me up, but i, i was struck by russian soldiers paintings that under the coastal sky. if it's an ancient slattich latin meaning the us here at the watching them you satisfy bounced and walk like i thought i had much head z m. lucas police,

other meanings were a land nation, the people i, that i'm not, not a what a, by that it even denoted the human body in its entirety. i was, he will pull nights here. i had them would say for russians sits and next essential spiritual battle. and what about the west? when you might think, does it understand it's not just about cream, that is much more than that. as a boy, it will walk aviation. i thought i suggest for you a show going to ship is to let you know all the you see the people at large haven't internalize this yet. only some might understand the meaning called this letter and you don't bud bilson, power. hey, this latter is key, lee. they, they are trying to ban it. can you believe this law? dire? yeah. ne, banning a ladder. a place shine. how is it possible? is that going to show this is the civilized world. so to say the west campaigning

against the latter goes up, but you book who was yay, a shoulder is a joke saying it's not a z landscape, but your landscape crazy. so much say you asked why does it that has shocked me? the most grassy. these has it, but as the look it's about us. no i guess a professor cries, there might be some deep meaning to this notion i let the romanian philosophy and historian of religion mir charlie id gave it to me. i thought of his study, the connection between geography and spirituality. you're one of his most famous works is the sacred and the profane. you name it when the on go i did he ok, is there that when a home or a land loses his cosmological meaning, to pass in the passenger body, and entire existence also lose their spiritual and religious dimension wasn't his line of boys in the shy absurdity of yours, in the way beholden, there was no sla, but don't you think that you've got antagonizing the west of russia is fighting globalization is that see?

and the idea that a passage should be detached from the land from the history of his ancestors. the idea of being free and separated from the historical, cultural and spiritual processes over processing. it's not, i'm, i'm dealing globalization is that the idea that you can be anywhere or saw in was it, which is yeah, if you put it this way is essentially against human spiritual nature, whose voice in an upper, it's about ancient. the warmest give us no one, you know, you had, you brought it. yeah. you know, i'm a historian, so i speak from battle historical perspective in recent decades, globalization has brought about some tremendously negative consequences for all of mankind. what's your lineage? is it the from william? i think everyone agrees on that to day look again. but what was the response to these neal liberal global is the challenges he still moist

loves yes. the response seems to be that they decided they can bride a humanist and religious fillings and use them as a pretext to wage a war that actually has completely different real reasons of destiny. genesis subset this debbie, there is this issue of national south expression in eastern ukraine. this is the real issue, jane year. not, not love us, daughter, a start, a new grain, and that a, i live up rossi in as up and make for this is also true for western ukraine that i think russian never said it didn't want an independent process in ukraine. let ezekiel claim it was, it did not want the country to become a grand to launch and offensive. what family does with annisa my. they are and hushing up all of ukraine's problems. move up shows up on the. ready group i got over. ready oh, there isn't a single mansion of negative aspect, slight ukrainian,

that says in western propaganda morley. i have one last question about propaganda. coincidentally, that was in his speech announcing the start of the special operation in ukraine. president putin called the west the empire of life, e y e. yes. imperial, agree with them as i see it. that was a reference to preston rake and cooling the soviet union and even empire. you needed to say that because i use it on entering and what i want to ask you personally, not as a historian owner, academic is, but as a passing we do, you believe that truth is power review that the truth always comes out sooner or later than with bacteria it? yes, the letter is lee. yea, be honest. there's like taking if i were to lose faith and human kind 10 the truth my my life would be meaningless. i candidly, without it you model gross than your model. if i had that we on your domain still

darky, that's why i don't think generalize concepts like the west and the star legitimate political my are too broad a local but as he is up a good idea of us dog when applied, they raised the diversity of the west, east and russia, they give rise to cultural graces, naziism, and rissa phobia the anomalies. instead we need to analyze the existing global and regional systems. and if you want to, you eat, your mother was not bitterly you. also, you have to have a critical approach to capitalism, but i wish the best way to reach you you've otherwise it's impossible to. so many crisis is a whether today or tomorrow. yes, you would know your sneezes doctor. well, professor, i think we had a very spirited conversation. thank you very much for that. thank you. good bye.

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