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the voice ah, a new to me with a with welcome to well to part regardless of its outcome. the conflict between russia and your brain will for years remain and open the wound between peoples, once considered themselves. brothers and wild fratricidal strife is as old as history. the confrontation over your brain may have given rise to
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a totally new phenomenon of instrumental eyes and cultivated hatred. who doesn't serve? to discuss it, i'm now joined by hamas crowds, professor of russian history, ab torso, lower ranking diversity of sciences in budapest, for physical, sophistic, chrysler, thank you very much for your time. i appreciate the opportunity to talk to you. hello. you have been researching russian and soviet history for a long time, and you've also analyzed it from the perspective of russian relations was the west point. was this perception of russians as bloodthirsty barbarian? sorta isn't a new idea, is it? i wish i thought you done. this is an old idea. yes. when you want to play coin the historical roots of fruits of phobia, full b x because i got you how to go back to the 16th century just not just not still will be oh stuck. oh, good in that was the time when bratia became, in a way
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a rival to britain died that was back than the british empire. i did double billed seed up by scenes that period. we have seen what risks of phobia emerged time and again, taking new forms and serving new goals seek at the bottom. invariably it had to do with the competition in the global arena, says great powers confronted his shoulder and thoughtful, all sorts of advantageous positions. some the global scene. ready overseas by his a professor crash as far as i understand it, any anthropologist will tell you that this kind of fear and immunization of the other tribe is a natural phenomenon with historically, humans have always thought over. so says, territories and power. don't you saying that given russia size and influence yet it's essentially inevitable for somebody to fairbetter match what you mean. i mean,
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and the same goes for cynthia, america, phobia, et cetera. i mean, yeah, he's be as good as the idiot us of course sold is different. po bears have existed and will continue to exist. but we must always look for the powers that promote this phobias. you did you for scott course sheila, we must see how much not by hate the people of a given country or region experience how fiercely they are attacked bush's because most of these phobias we are not at all a grassroots phenomenon. not be made yet. for example, i was in berlin a few days ago, and i did not see any anti russian sentiment when i talk to the people, yet nobody harassed russian speakers. i don't valley that it should. yeah. although we know from german defense ministry reports again that there have been several 100
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incidence 0 issue including attacks and monuments and statues, et cetera. they did lonia let i. but this isn't to popular movement. yes, yes or no park room. so it's nothing like what happened during the anti semitic pogroms, images and a sound a mean. this has a kind of hate that have different routes, so phobia rissa phobia is an organized top down phenomenon in it has always been that way on the evening yesterday who yeah, yeah, i love you. so what you're saying is that from natural practice, which is inherent in, oh, nations for recent, yes, mr. selby is now being deliberate. he and purposefully transform into to, for cheating specific goals. you come up with me. yes. this new type of bruce, of phobia by his part of the war and ukraine. you might, it's a means to insure
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a cohesion within the collective western influence. the population landing over the role of the media is critical. you know, me young ketchel. yes. channels like seeing then babies, see it sat right on one to name all of them. it's all an effort to demonize russia . we can see every minute of every day. it's easy. i was planning to say, if i understand you correctly, your argument is that some of the best progressive mindfully, i say, i have decided to exploit humanities massey, primitive instinct. i joy, you're good at why, what is there an game? he thought i would say comcast. i need to see a bit em ugly, loosely you to laugh me gave an example for the audience and i did get the lizzie that they made. yes, you will. in the e you, there is
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a top official in charge of foreign affairs by the name of joseph burrell. meely bought it o m o m o. he is anti russian to the corps and doesn't even deny it. and his sad that russia must be defeated on the battlefield. oh boy, if need to be so um what, what is his agenda won't go? why does he talk such nonsense? he suddenly is a man of tremendous responsibility. i pro what are we even talking about today? a few days after i heard him say that it dawn on me why i was determined woman in her forties or fifties, speak to shell on z d f and major german t, the channel david bro, grandma i was yes, she was from a younger generation, not the hitler youth generation. ah, julia gun know what she sadly so baffling. i even remember her last
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name. it was gal go your amelia does you? i was amazed that a sentiment like that could be expressed in the very heart of europe. you have roku . i'm not going to be, she spoke in favor of pumping ukraine with heavy weaponry. and her argument was that we should find the russians because they are a talking or a liberal and post modern way of life. you know a lot you so this woman now that your chairman said isn't once germany to fight russia in the name of the european valley is national lead. that was nice, but i have a professor kress, my understanding is that the special has more than just a political dimension. it has also expanded into the realm of culture. nobody wants or. yes, this is don in order to serve cultural supremacy over russia. that's why i gave you
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the example about chairman women. this line of argument is simply baffling for intellectuals to revert to some sort of racist or nap cpa or rising to cultural racism. it is, i'm think of all, there is a massive risk for russia here as well. if it fails to handle these developments properly, just not that i'm very worried about rushes response. we must not go back to the 940 or 950 is back to the soviet anti cuss my politan campaign, which was me, me got some. i mean, i think it's an important thing to understand that under the banner fighting russia of russia's cultural heritage, including the heritage of the 19th or early 20th century, it's getting essentially cancelling it not for much. what's up there are plenty of examples of this kind of it is happening. what could you tell us? which one shot to the most of the thought of lead solely. but it was the
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authoritarian face of liberalism. it charged me to see that it exists, but it's got to say, i have a position and it's not the official position of the youth. for example, natalie word though i expressed that position. the pro store up in the city was advanced somewhere on the fringes. if i want to say i want the truth, i send for diplomacy in peace. this is a very simple position, but where can i make my boys her? say you didn't have access to the media. you wasn't young boys to you one find this sort of have been ins, expressed anywhere in the media, notting germany will not. and calling to let you know, you know, but i know what people actually think. i've been to many european countries lately . people don't want war, they believe in pace. they are against pumping ukraine with arms because these
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cannot be achieved that way miss the miss the meta mask. but instead of pace in negotiations, we've got crusoe phobia, or ukraine, a phobia level. it works almost the same way. all the other side. i mean, this is that less noisy, i'll have to disagree with you here. because i do not see this and t crane sentiment in russia, in part because we'll have family in ukraine. any guys nicholas? no, there is no ukraine of phobia in russia every night, no matter what the media says, we call our relatives to check how they're doing. so they genes, we worry about them all the time. so if someone says this was easy on the russian people that to lie when we realized this is a heavy baton, i would even say great sin and some day we will have to pay for it. so the number of the black ink, noah pro snowstorm, but the thing is, the way i see it is that the west left russia. no other choice booked. that's the
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trap to do it. there you're at least 4 actors involved rocha. i've already talked about the authoritarian phase of liberalism. it's been those they claim that crush alone is responsible for the war that the conflict again and sample rate. 24 didn't double the war. started way before that you might use lead time, a historian. so i analyzed phenomena from a historical perspective. they give you most of these more began it made it, we operate the collapse of the soviet union delete the idea of breaking the russia part was a concept reemerged in the early 1990 s in the works of a speak me up. but as in scale, it was a security advisor to several us presidents. i know i just since dan native has been expanding eastwards all the way seats worked with us, now we are witnessing the backlash. what nicholas, i sing,
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there is something to this conflict we having seen before. not one of the confrontation between russia and the west had indeed begun a long time ago that way before the 24th of february 2022. or that we have never seen any attempt to ban sikowski without the asking until now. and that was with me . you may have heard the story about a 200 year old oak tree in t again of museum, which was banned from participating in the european tree of the year contests in order to exclude russia, organic tree. that was that, it, i see, you know, i mean this is marana. evade and wanted there avoid or is there some kind of deeper meaning here. is there an underlying pappas or are people just losing their minds? went to law. it is gone through a li, the girl is to control the population, the public opinion, many and to eradicate all other years. see years
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lost it through gaps. oak has no right to exist in the west will. people will want to know why you, me, bravo, will read over, or explain this, that you are a told russians are evil people. i said they should be punished. my li, are you, are you still not? i'm not sure what it they keep appealing to the sounds south poplar conscience to the ideal punishment. so this is gloria, keep trying to implant and to people's minds. the idea that russian says are some kind of barbarians. it's in lucy. therefore, european values must be abandoned in ukraine. that's why they pretend that ukraine is a democracy. even though they keep using these concepts as tools, you must, you see, while there are a number of democratic countries in eastern europe just the majority are authoritarian regimes. when he's done the it is she what holland, for example,
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or the baltic states. ready national, even my own country might you know what it is very important that is offered the collapse of the ussr. we pacified our radiology little saying that we follow with the same development path as europe general base ski boat. as me this is simply impossible. you cannot build a board, you, i democracy without the pro democracy, middle class resolute, who is going to build democracy, then i thought it would be all the guards said without any culture from scratch. doherty, what they did was concentrate all economic power in their hands through privatization . nothing more yet. we hear all these nonsense about european culture. well, professor cross, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. the june, ah,
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she's got to do is identify the threats that we have a treaty confrontation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally and get into this. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult, time. time to sit down and talk with ah, welcome back to wells. apparently the last krause,
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professor of russian history out there. unfortunately, on the university of scientist in budapest, a has a profession, i. li, you mentioned the idea of appealing to people's consciences, because it seems to me that the hallmark of russian culture is its complexity and absolute walker. we're good on that as it appeals directly to the humans. so it is not the only coach to do that, but i certainly, it's distinctive feature in this one because it's us thought, would you agree that these attempts to cancel tchaikovsky to danielle and dusty ascii are intended to keep westerners away and from russian culture? a good idea. as up of the g, i was the middle school going to renew z like zebra. sure, it said that it can not touch their souls and let them see through the haze of not only the wrist, the phobia, the also, the anti capitalist system, scuse, c, m, a good boy that basically squeezes the live out of people come in, some would save money to humanize is us with it that like i'm not going to, i mean they're not be me a good day for example,
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as that german woman was talking old. that nonsense sort of saw the prism for olsen made a point. yes. yes. yes. sad that one cannot think, ignore their teeth and breach russian culture. already got dora, which represents the panic, whole of human achievement. bridge old dude. yeah. dogs, you have to admit that because every one now sex, door and dog. so the harm is not as crazy as we might hear. people won't be filled . they are cecily. it isn't blake. the west is over doing it. why some in the west are being over zealous in the way. they carry out the orders from washington and brussels. yeah, yeah, they don't, among the intellectually lead side and see any one trying to directly, it's russian culture girl by the way, you did get to her some main at which to how conflicts with the russian scholars to find you might, you know, to my, i me nick, i just saw me refused to chris palmed with russian, and black shoals,
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et cetera. doesn't you there? but the, the hatred asthma dodson goes so deep as to warrant a man on tchaikovsky. org tolstoy, a law. and then i don't the old bad kind of sentiment just yet, but i called the number but stolen does. yes. but you might, i add the 3, you know, the edge yet jewel. so, you mean, it seems to me there's something home, a superstitious or richer lift pick about this movement to cancel russia. so that means you may remember the incident in sweden, when a concept in support of ukraine was cancelled after the swedish musicians found out when the bell alike, as they were supposed to pray, were made in russia. well, alike is good. cancel. how crazy is that? this is magical thinking in its purest form. they think they are somehow helping the ukraine ends by doing whole is with old is russo phobia. so can a russian by the, like, had the a koreans in any way?
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or should we get a bit of a hope that these superstitious approach will help generate more support, more emotional solidarity with the ukranian refugees. guys give me vibes. that's not true. and your brother, we happy in helping the ukranian refugees since day one. ready we are helping them take russians are helping misaki label of all political views. old sorts of people are helping yeah. those just yes, we either needed some money too. so all the hate against russians comes from the top. i've got 2 more, which maybe it's just the way i see it, but there has been a lot of mystical messaging in the dollar, but when the kremlin and the white house, when you got senior moment bill them, for example, of putin and biden bring up god a lot of all that also biden said some time ago, the poodle had no soul, which was quite a strong statement, because we really do think that this conflict,
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when russia and the west is defined merely by the struggle for geopolitical influence, resources the right to decide or the nation, so probably the sides of the game will be or is it also a spiritual battle of some sort as well? yes. please. things do not exist separately, but it's very chilled the political envy, konami aspects all work together. but yeah, there is a global conflict going on in the us and the collective west one to restore there had gemini in the world even these up. but what just let me give you a new do this. they need to demonize each enemy that poses a real trap, like china, india, etc. but most, indeed, there are new factors, some of the global saying, and nobody really understands them. well. this is all about and new world order. well, you see, nobody understands them, but i think in russia at least,
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i think i do understand them when you get here, who can watch the motions, you know, have a certain inclination for mysticism, you can certainly but so do the americans sports. let them flip. sure. we are really close in this regard. we'll believe we're the chosen people, so i'll give an example. cravett bon biden often denounces president putin to narrative speaks bad by the way, and biden is on a mission to fight russian only got if rudy isn't fighting against capitalism, like, i do know he's targeting russian oligarchs. why isn't he fighting american oligarchs? what's the difference? a senior, but you might or ration oligarch started bad american the oligarchs are good guys. he only got he's got a she and this is mr. c. as in its purest form. is me how
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can one believe it or you're right. one can't, if one is a racial person, i usually book or it's a matter of faith. you bring your mind letting me out, but i, i was struck by russian soldiers paintings that under the coastal scheme it's an ancient slattich latin meaning the us that e i at the origin, the m. yes, that a 5 ounce can will clock i thought as much head z m luther, it's other meanings were a land nation and people i said, i'm not, not a what it by that it even denotes the human body in its entirety. i me, i have a table nice here. i had them say for russians sits and next essential spiritual battle. look up on. what about the west? when you might think, does it understand it's not just about cream. that is much more than that. i think what it will walk aviation. i thought i said just by for you, i be a rush. you're going to ship is to let you know all day. you see the people at
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large haven't internalize this yet. only some might understand the meaning called this letter. go dog bud wilson power. hey, this latter is hailey the. they are trying to ban it. can you believe this law? dire genovese banning a letter a place shine? how is it possible? is that going to show this is the civilized world, so to say the west campaigning against the latter was up, but you book who was his shoulder is a joke saying it's not a z lansky, but here lansky crazy. so must say, you asked, what is it that has shocked me the most grassy these has. but as he looked it up but us no, i guess a professor cries, there might be some deep meaning to this out him i love the romanian philosopher and historian, of religion mere cheerly id gave it to me. i thought of his study, the connection between geography and spirituality. you're one of his most famous
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wax, is the sacred and the profane. you name a point the on go i did he ok is there that when a home or a land loses his cosmological meaning to pass and i have yet to pass his body an entire existence also lose their spiritual and religious dimension was his 20 fours and a shy of 30 yours in the way beholden the smooth la. but don't you sing? said you've bryant agonizing, the west rushes, fighting globalization, lee, and the idea that a passage should be detached from the land. from the history of his ancestors robbed the idea of being free and separated from the historical setting, cultural and spiritual processes with processing. it's not, i'm, i'm dealing globalization is that the idea that you can be anywhere or saw it was easier if you put it this way is essentially against human spiritual nature, whose voice in an upper, it's about ancient, the warmest give us no one. you don't, you had,
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you brought it yet. you know, i'm a historian, so i speak from the historical perspective in recent decades, globalization has brought about something tremendously negative consequences for all of mankind or challenges from william. i think everyone agrees on that to de luca good. what was the response to these neal liberal globally as challenges he still more snuffs? yeah, the response seems to be that they decided they can bride a humanist and religious billings and use them as a pretext to wage a war that actually has completely different real reasons of destiny. genesis subset this debbie, there is this, is she of national south expression and eastern ukraine? this is the real issue jane. yeah, no, not love us, don't you? is that a new grain and that
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a i live up rossi in as up at mix like this is also true from a western ukraine that i seen. russia never said it didn't one an independent process in ukraine. what i read your name, it was, it did not want the country to become a ground, to launch and offensive. what does it mean? you annisa my, they are and hushing up all of ukraine's problems. move up shows up on the group. i go over old, there isn't a single mansion of negative aspect, slight ukrainian, that says in western propaganda morley. i have one last question about propaganda. coincidentally, that was in his speech announcing the start of the special operation in ukraine. president putin called the west the empire of life, e y e o. yes. in period 3 with is i see it that was a reference to preston rake and cooling the soviet union and even empire community to say that because i use it on the ring. and what i want to ask you personally, not as a historian or academic, but as a passing we,
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do you believe that truth is power review that the truth always comes out sooner or later than with back? glad. yes, the gala is lee. yea, be honest. there's like a king. if i were to lose faith and human kind 10 the truth my, my life would be meaningless, as i did candidly without it, you grow still your mobile. if i had them, we on your domain stood our key. that's why i don't think generalized concepts like the west and these are legitimate political. my are too broad a local but as he is up, but nobody of us talk when applied, they raised the diversity of the west, east and russia. they give rise to cultural braces, naziism, and russo phobia analogies. instead, we need to analyze the existing global and regional systems. and if you want to
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give us law business, you also you have to have a critical approach to capitalism by the wish. the best way to reach you, you've otherwise it's impossible to solve any crisis is a whether today or tomorrow. yes or no? yes, 0. well, professor, i think we had a very spirited conversation. thank you very much for that. thank you. good bye. and thank you for watching focus here again on the wells apart. ah ah,
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i oh, no nation. no nation has ever done anything like it in all the history a with a. ready because she's genius. thank you. that was
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a force from national guido, which is obviously you still when you have a limited lead from when you do or not. but who did a with national anthem, a campus that the carpet wanted a voice, a walk with.

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