yes, mentally, you want to pinpoint the historical or it's the 1st phobia will be x because i don't know how to go back to the 16th century just not just, not the will be. but in that was the time when russia became, in a way arrival to britain that was back than the british empire at depth of a video seed up by being stab period. we have seen the risk of bo bit emerge time. and again, taking new forms and serving new goals. seeing that at the but invariably it have to do with the competition in the global arena. so that's great . powers confronted each other and thoughtful, all sorts of advantageous positions. some the global scene, the. ready his professor cry, as far as i understand,

any anthropologist will tell you that this kind of fit and demonize ation of the other tribe is a natural phenomenon. different. historically, humans have always full over sources, territories and power. don't you saying that given russia size and influence, you know, it's essentially inevitable for some roost. phobia to match, fortunately, i mean, and the same goes for city of phobia america for b cetera. i need to be yours. of course, sold is different. so bears have existed and will continue to exist, but we must always look for the powers that promote based po b. s. for be got, feel. we must see how much not by have the people of a given country or region experience how furiously if they are attacked bush's because most of these spelled s b are not at all a grassroots phenomenon,

not be made yet. for example, i was in berlin a few days ago, and i did not see any anti russian sentiment when i talked to the people, yet nobody harassed russian speakers. but kate valley shut. yeah. although we know from german defense ministry reports again that there have been several 100 incidence issue including attacks and monuments and statues, et cetera. they did lonia, let i. but this isn't to popular movement. yes, yes, there are. no cochran suits nothing like what happened during the anti semitic pogroms, big images, and a sour a mean. this is a kind of hate that have different routes, so phobia rissa pho, bears an organized top down phenomenon. and it has always been that way on the evening. who yeah, yeah, i understand what you're saying is that from natural practice,

which is inherent in, oh, nations for recent, yes, mr. selby is now being deliberate. he and purposefully transformed into to, for cheating specific goals in your company. up with me. yes, this new type of risk of fo, best buy is part of the war and ukraine. you might, it's a means to insure a cohesion within the collective western influence. the population landing over the role of the media is critical. you know, me any cut you get channels like seeing then bbc, it sat right on one to name all of them. it's all in the effort to demonize russia . we can see every minute of every day. it's easy, i was planning to say, if i understand you correctly, your argument is that some of the best progress, if mindfully i seen it, was, have decided to exploit humanities massey, primitive instinct. i should be a good at why, what is there an game?

he thought i would say comcast, i need to say emma, who used to be you lap me, gave an example for the audience. and i just read the elizabeth that they made. yes, you will in the you. there is a top official in charge of foreign affairs by the name of joseph burrell. meely bought it o m o m o, he is anti russian to the corps and doesn't even deny it. and he, sad that russia must be defeated on the battlefield. no, boy, if need to be on horse, what is his agenda? it won't go. why does he talk such nonsense? he somebody is a man of tremendous responsibility. appro. it's cool. what are we even talking about today? a few days after i heard him say that it dawn on me why? i was determined woman in her forties or fifties. speak to shell on z

d f and major sherman t, the channel david bro, grandma, i was yes, she was from the younger generation. not the hitler youth generation. ah, jelly gun know what she sad was so baffling. i even remember her last name. it was gal go your amelia does you i was amazed that a sentiment like that could be expressed in the very heart of europe. you have roku . i'm not that she spoke in favor of pumping ukraine with heavy weaponry. and her argument was that we should find the russians because they are a talking or a liberal and post modern way of life. you know, last year you, so this woman, another way a chairman said isn't once germany to fight russia in the name of european valley

is national lead. that was nice. but i have a professor crash. my understanding is that the special has more than just a political dimension. it has also expanded into the realm of culture. nobody wants or. yes, this is don in order to serve cultural supremacy over russia. that's why i gave you the example about german woman like this line of argument is simply baffling for intellectuals to revert to some sort of racist or nap cpa or rising to cultural racism. it is, i'm think about, there is a massive risk for russia here as well. if it fails to handle these developments properly, just not that i'm very worried about rushes response. we must not go back to the 940 or 950 s back to the soviet anti cuss my politan campaign. which was me, me got some. i mean, i think it's an important thing to understand that under the banner fighting russia

of russia's cultural heritage, including the heritage of the 19th or early 20th century, it's getting essentially cancel it, not for it, but that's all it. but there are plenty of examples of this kind of it is happening . what could you tell us? which one shot to the most of the data lead? so the it was the story tap in the face of liberalism. it charged me to see that it exists. it's fuzzy to say i have a position and it's not the official position of the youth. for example, natalie word though i expressed that position. the roster. not any fear. the voices advanced somewhere on the fringes. if by one to say, i want the truth, i send for diplomacy and pace. this is a very simple position, but where can i make my boys heard you? say you didn't have access to the media. you wasn't younger just you want find this

sort of athenians expressed anywhere in the media, notting, germany, not in calling us, letting them know, you know, but i know what people actually think. i've been to many european countries lately . people don't want war. they believe in pace. they are against pumping ukraine with arms because these cannot be achieved that way. miss the miss the meta mask, but instead of payson negotiations, we've got crusoe phobias or ukraine, a phobia level. it works almost the same way on the other side. yeah, i mean, this is a question. i think i'll have to disagree with you here because i do not see this and t crane sentiment in russia, in part because we all have family in ukraine. he needs us. no, there is no ukraine of phobia, russia every night, no matter what the media says, we call our relatives to check how they're doing. so they jesus, we worry about them all the time. so if someone says this was easy on the russian

people that to lie when we realized this is a heavy bad and i would even say great sin and some day we will have to pay for it starting up and get the blessing. noah. but for us, don't thought, but the thing is, the way i see it is that the west left russia, no other choice booked book. that's the tragedy. you're at least for actors involved rocha about the i've already talked about the authoritarian phase of liberalism. they claim that crush alone is responsible for the war that the conflict again and sample rate $24.00 didn't double the wars started way before that time. a historian. so i analyzed phenomena from a historical perspective. they give you most ad though he's more began, it made it, we operate the collapse of the soviet union. the idea of breaking the russia part

was a concept in the 3 emerged in the early 1990 s in the works of a speak me up, but it's in schema. who was a security advisor to several us presidents no idea since dan native has been expanding eastwards all the way seats worth of us. now we are witnessing the backlash. what any of us? i think there is something to this conflict we haven't seen before. and that was the confrontation between russia and the west had indeed begun a long time ago that way before the 24th of february 2022. or that we have never seen any attempts to ban sykowski with no c. s. he until now he of and that was literally, you may have heard the story about a 200 year old oak tree in to again, if museum, which was banned from participating in the european tree of the year contest in order to exclude russia, organic tree that was that it was that i see, you know, i mean, this is moronic. evade, and wanted there avoid, or is there some kind of deeper meaning here?

is there an underlying papist, or are people just losing their minds? went to law. if he is going to rally, the goal is to control the population, the public opinion, many and to ready cade all other years. see years mostly through games. oak has no right to exist in the west. will. people will want to know why you, me, bravo will be it over. under explain this that you are told russians are evil people. i said they should be punished. my li, are you, are you still now that he not garza, she already may keep appealing to the sounds self, probably conscience to the ideal punishment, thought it lay keep trying to implant and to people's minds. the idea that russians are some kind of barbarians gets in the see, there are 4 european values must be to bandit in ukraine, right?

that's why they pretend that ukraine as a democracy, even though they keep using these concepts as tools, what you of us, you see while there are a number of democratic countries in eastern europe just the majority, are authoritarian regimes. tony dungy, it is she who all and for example, or the baltic states nationally, been my own country. mike, you know, would you like it is very important that is offered the collapse of the ussr. we pacified our ideology low saying that we follow the same development path as europe ever obisky good as me. but this is simply impossible. you cannot build a board, you. i democracy without a pro democracy middle class will just do this. who is going to build democracy? then? i thought it would be all the guards said without any culture from scratch. dory, what they did was concentrate all economic power in their hands through

privatization. nothing more yet. we hear all these nonsense about european culture . well, professor cross, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. adrian, ah, ha. ah.

ah, with ah . so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation

. let it be in arms. race is very dramatic development. only nationally, i'm getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time time to sit down and talk ah welcome back to world support with them as krause, professor of russian history out there. unfortunately, on the university of sciences and with f. s. a has a profession, i. li, you mentioned the idea of appealing to people's consciences because it seems to me that the hallmark of russian culture is its complexity and absolute walk. i forgot on that as it appeals directly to the human. so it's not the only coach to do that, but that i said that it's distinctive feature openness. but my question was thought,

would you agree to these attempts to cancel? tchaikovsky to kenneth and dostoevsky are intended to keep boisterous away men from russian culture. i'm glad that i was the middle school going to renew july exam, the shortest so that it can not touch their souls and let them see through the hays of not only the rest, the phobia, but also the anti catholic systems. chris is still a good boy that basically squeezes the live out of people. come see us in some would save money to humanize. is us live with it? that's why i'm not going to, i mean, they're not be a good day. for example, as that germans woman was talking old that nonsense sort of saw the prism for olsen made a point. you just get sad that one cannot ignore their deep and breach russian culture . already got dora, which represents the panic, whole of human achievement. a bridge, old dude. yeah. dogs. you have to admit that because everyone knows that store and

that so the harm is not as great as we might hear. people won't be filled. they cecily didn't blame the west as over doing it. my som in the west are being over zealous in the way. they carry out the orders from washington and brussels. yeah, you have it among the intellectual elite side and see any one trying to directly target for russian culture grow by you get to hear some may not wish to have conflicts with the russians. scholars to find you might, you know, to my, i, me, nick, i just some may refuse to correspond with russian and black shoals, et cetera. does either. but the hatred asthma dodson goes so deep as to warrant a man on chikavsky. org tolstoy, a law and then i don't feel that kind of sentiment just yet, but i called a stolen does yet, but you might add, does that,

did you not upgraded your jewel so you mean it seems to me there's something home, a superstitious or richer left thick about this movement to cancel russia. that means you may remember the incident in sweden, when a concept in support of ukraine was cancelled after the swedish musicians found out when the bell alike, as they were supposed to pray, were made in russia bell alike as good counsel. how crazy is that? this is magical thinking in its purest form. they think they are somehow helping the ukrainians by doing whole is with old. is russo phobia said can a russian, bela like a had the ukrainians in anyway bullshit. we get a bit of a help that these superstitious approach will help generate more support. more emotional solidarity with the ukranian refugees. guys give me bonds. that's not true. and your brother, we have been helping the ukrainian refugees since day one. we are helping them take russians are helping misaki people of all political views,

old sorts of people are helping yeah. those yes, yes. we either needed some money too. so all the hate against russians comes from the top. i'm going to use more, but maybe it's just the way i see it. but there has been a lot of mystic messaging in the dollar, but when the criminal and the white house, when you got senior premium and bill and for example, both payton and biden bring up god, a lot of all that also biden said some time ago. the poodle had no soul, which was quite a strong statement, because we really do think that this conflict, when russia and the west is defined merely by the struggle for geopolitical influence, resources is the right to decide for the nation. so probably the sides of the game will be or is it also a spiritual battle of some sort as well? yes. please. things do not exist separately, but it's very chilled the political envy,

konami aspects all work together. but yeah, there is a global conflict going on in the us and the collective west one to restore there had gemini in the world even these up. but it was that, i mean, you do this, they need to demonize each enemy that poses a real trap like china, india, except for most in do or in new factories, some of the global scene, and nobody really understands them. well, this is all about a new world order. well, you see, nobody understands them, but i think in russia at least, i think i do understand them when you get here, who wants promotions, you know, have a certain inclination for mysticism, you can certainly, but so do the american sports weapons with sure we are really close in this regard . we'll believe we're the chosen people, so i'll give an example. cravett bon biden often denounces president

putin to narrative speaks bad by the way, and biden is on a mission to fight rush and all the garbage. got you, bro, he isn't fighting against capitalism. like, i do know he's targeting russian oligarchs. why isn't he fighting american? all the guards? what's the difference? a scene you but you might or boston oligarch started bad american. the oligarchs are good guys. keowee got, he's got us, she said, this is mr. c. as in its purest form, is me. how can one believe this to you, right? one can tip one is a racial person. i usually go, it's a matter of faith. can you bring him with him yet? but i, i was struck by russian soldiers paintings that under the coastal sky, if it's an ancient slattich latin meaning the s e i at the watching the m is that

a finance can look like i thought i had my chat z m lucas place other meanings were a land nation people i, that i'm not, not a what if i think it even to narrative the human body in its entirety. i have table next here. i had the most say for russian sits and next essential spiritual battle . look on. what about the west? when you might think, does it understand it's not just about ukraine, that is much more than that. as a boy. it will walk aviation. i thought, i suggest, but i for you. i'll be a rush. you're going to ship is to let you not all the you see the people at large haven't internalize this yet. only some might understand the meaning called this letter. good. you don't bud wilson power hate this latter? is he in the, the they are trying to ban it. can you believe this law? dire? yeah. ne, banning a ladder up a shine. how is it possible? is that going to show this is the civilized world. so to say the west campaigning

against the latter? those up, but you book which is sugar is a joke, saying it's not a z landscape, but your landscape crazy. so must say, you asked why does it that has shocked me the most grassy these has it but as the look it's about us. no, i guess a professor cries, there might be some deep meaning to this yell at him to pilot the romanian philosophy and historian of religion mir charlie id gave it to me. i thought of his study, the connection between geography and spirituality. you're one of his most famous works is the sacred and the profane. you name it when the ongoing. he argues there, that when a home or a land loses his cosmological meaning to person, that the person's body and entire existence also lose their spiritual and religious dimension was his line of boards and the shy absurdity of yours in the way beholden . there was no sla, but don't you sing said you've by antagonizing the west of russia is fighting

globalization lee. and the idea that a passage should be detached from the land from the history of his. and he says, well, the idea of being free and separated from the historical that cultural and spiritual processes are processing. it's not, i'm, i'm dealing globalization is the idea that you can be anywhere or saw in was it, which is yeah, if you put it this way is essentially against human, spiritual nature is voiced in another, it's about ancient. the warmest give us no one you that you had yet brought it yet. you know, i'm a historian, so i speak from the historical perspective in recent decades, globalization has brought about some tremendously negative consequences for all of mankind or challenges eta on william, i think everyone agrees on that to day look again. but what was the response to

these neil liberal globally as the challenges e. still morse loves. yeah. the response seems to be that they decided they can friday, humanist and religious fillings, and use them as a pretext to wage a war that actually has completely different real reasons of just an engine. lucy, subset this debbie, there is this, is she of national self expression in eastern ukraine? this is the real issue, jane year law. not love us, don't you? is that a new grain and that a i live up rossi in as up at mix like this is also true for western ukraine that i see russia never said it didn't won an independent process in ukraine. what i feel good, i mean, it was, i did not want the country to become a ground to launch an offensive. what does it mean? you annisa my, they are hushing up all of ukraine's problems. move up shows up on that group. i

got over. ready there isn't a single mention of negative aspect, slight ukrainian that says in western propaganda. holy, i have one last question about propaganda. coincidentally, that was in his speech announcing the start of the special operation in ukraine. president putin called the west the empire of life, e y e o. yes. in period 3 with them as i see it, that was a reference to preston rake and cooling the soviet union and even empire community to say, because i use it on them to reagan. what i want to ask you personally, not as a historian owner, academic is but as a passing we, do you believe that truth is power review that the truth always comes out sooner or later than with on getting back to die? glad. yes, this is lee. yea, be honest, there's like a king. if i were to lose faith and human kind 10 proof my my life would be meaningless. i candidly, without it, you gross,

don't you mind if i had that we on your domain still there? yeah, that's why i don't think generalized concepts like the west and the star legitimate political my are too broad a local but as he is a good idea of us dog when applied, they raised the diversity of the west, east and russia. they give rise to cultural graces, naziism, and russo phobia the analogies. instead, we need to analyze the existing global and regional systems. and if you want to, you eat your most law bitterly. you also, you have to have a critical approach to capitalism. but i wish the best way to reach you you've otherwise it's impossible to so many crisis is a whether today or tomorrow. yes or no? yes, doctor. well, professor, i think we had

a very spirited conversation. thank you very much for that. thank you. goodbye. and thank you for watching focus here again on the wells apart. ah ah ah, with oh ah, ah,

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which i know for the don't know is actually giving it to these just opinions. so not just come on the russian foreign ministry, said wilbur, full responsibility if it's found to be behind the killing of doria to get the daughter of russia philosopher alexander must have proven it. what am i to stay? the journalist killing as being picked up by western media and other cynical headlines, choosing to focus on mr. google and self train him. the driving forces behind russia park also in the headlines that shape the weak, intense fighting continues and gone. both with russian lead troops pushing.