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serve? to discuss it, i'm now joined by how much crowds, professor of russian history, ab torso, ranting diversity of sciences. in budapest, professor coast vista, chris, thank you very much for your time. i appreciate the opportunity to talk to you. hello. you have been researching russian and soviet history for a long time. and you've also analyze it from the perspective of russia's relations . was the west point, was this perception of russians as blood? sassy, barbarians isn't a new idea. is it h o g is done? this is an old idea. yes. when you want to point the historical roots of fruits, a phobia full b, because i don't know how to go back to the 16th century just not just, not still movie and stuff. what would it be? that was the time when bratia became, in a way, a rival to britain that was baghdad. the british empire did double billed

cigna by since that period we have seen rissa phobic emerged time and again taking new forms and serving new goals. she got at them, but invariably it had to do with the competition in the global arena, says great powers confronted a shoulder and thoughtful, all sorts of advantageous positions. some the global scene. ready overseas by his a professor crash as far as i understand you, any anthropologist who will tell you that this kind of fair and immunization of the other tribe is a natural phenomenon with historically, humans have always thought over. so says, territories and power. don't you say that given russia size an influence, yet it's essentially inevitable for some mr. phobia to imagine what you mean. i mean, and the same goes for cynthia, america, phobia, etc. i mean, bustle is b, as in goodness, the eras acor's soul is different,

though bears have existed and will continue to exist. but we must always look for the powers that promote this phobia. as you did you for scott course, celia, we must see how much not by hate the people of a given country or region experience how fiercely they are attacked bushes because most of these fell this be, are not at all like grassroots phenomena. not be made. for example, i was in berlin a few days ago and i did not see any anti rush in sentiment. when i talked to the people, yet nobody harass trash and speakers. though we know from german defends ministry reports again that there have been several 100 incidents your federal, including attacks and monuments and statues,

etc. well, this isn't a popular movement use. yeah, there are no hawk rims, it's nothing like what happened during the anti semitic pogroms. i understand what you mean. this is a kind of have that have different routes, will be a phobia, is an organized top down phenomena and it has always been and that way i know who yeah. so what you're saying is that from a natural prejudice which is inherent in all nations for basic, just mr. phobia is now being deliberately and purposefully transform into a tool for shipping specific goals. you can create a gas, this new type of risk of whoa, best buy is part of the war and ukraine. but you might to, if your bus it's a means to insure a cohesion within the collective wes,

to influence the population gladly more. but the role of the media is critical. you know, me any cut you get channels like see in then bbc, it sat right on. want to name all of them. it's all in there for to demonize russia . we can see every minute of every day, this easy, i was planning. so if i understand you correctly, your argument is that some of the best progress, if mindfully i say, i have decided to exploit humanities massey, primitive instinct try to i be a good at why, what is there and game? he thought i would say comcast, i need to say emma, who used to be you lap me, gave an example for the audience. and i'd you reach, elizabeth, that be me it. yes you will. in the e you there is a top official in charge of foreign affairs by the name of joseph burrell. mealy

bought it o m o m o. he is anti rushing to the corps and doesn't even deny it. and he, sad that russia must be defeated because on the battlefield. my boy b to b. stone horn. what is his agenda won't go? why does he talk such nonsense? he somebody is a man of tremendous responsibility uphill. what are we even talking about to be a few days after i heard him say that it dawned on me why i was determined woman in her forties or fifties speak to shell z d f and major sherman t, the channel david bro, grandma i was yes, she was from a younger generation, not the hitler youth generation. ah, julia gun know what she sad was so baffling please. i even remember her last name. it was gal go your amelia. i was amazed that

a sentiment like that could be expressed in the very heart of europe. you wrote, i'm not going to be. she spoke in favor of pumping ukraine with heavy weaponry. and her argument was that we should find the russians because they are talking, or a liberal and post modern way of life. you know, rosky is you. so this woman, another way a chairman said, isn't once sherman need to fight russia in the name of european valley is national lead. that was nice because the professor crass my understanding is that their special has more than just a political dimension. it has also expanded into the realm of culture. nobody wants to or yes, this is don in order to serve cultural supremacy over russia. that's why i gave you the example about german woman. this line of argument is simply baffling for

intellectuals to revert to some sort of racist or nap sci fi, or rising to cultural racism. it is, i'm think about, there is a massive risk for russia here as well. if it fails to handle these developments properly. not that i'm very worried about rushes response. we must not go back to the 940 or 950 is back to the soviet anti gus my politan campaign. that was, he was me me. i mean, i think it's an important thing to understand that under the banner side, you couldn't russia all of russia's cultural heritage, including the heritage of the 19th or early 20th century. it's getting essentially cancelled or not for it, but that's all about that. but there are plenty of examples of this kind of idiocy happening. what could you tell us? which one shot to the most of the data merely solely. but it was the 3rd tap in phase of liberalism. it charged me to see that it exists, but it's got to say,

i have a position and it's not the official position of the youth. for example, natalie word though i expressed that position. the brewster. not any fear. the voices advanced somewhere on the fringes. if by one to say, i want the truth, i send for diplomacy and pace. this is a very simple position, but where can i make my boys heard you? say you didn't have access to the media? you wasn't young. what do you want find this sort of have been ins expressed anywhere in the media, notting, germany, not in calling us letting him know, you know, but i know what people actually think. i've been to many european countries lately . people don't want war. they believe in pace. they are against pumping ukraine with arms because these cannot be achieved that way. miss the miss the meta mask. but instead of payson negotiations, we've got chris, a phobia, or ukraine,

a phobia that i bought. it works almost the same way. all the other side. yeah. you, i mean, this is a question. i think i'll have to disagree with you here. because i do not see this anti ukraine sentiment in russia, in part because we all have family in ukraine. any god nicholas, no, there is no ukraine of phobia in russia every night, no matter what the media says, we call our relatives to check how they're doing. so they genes, we worry about them all the time. so if someone says this was easy on the russian people that to lie when we realized this is a heavy bad and i would even say great sin in some day we will have to pay for it. so the number of the black ink, noah buffer us don't thought, but the thing is, the way i see it is that the west left russia no other choice, looked at the baths, the trap to do it, the least for actors involved rocha,

everybody. i've already talked about the authoritarian phase of liberalism. they claim that crush alone is responsible for the war that the conflict, again in february 24th. and then you got a didn't a double wars started way before it that you might use. i'm a historian, so i analyze phenomena from a historical perspective big machine. you add these more and began it made it. we operate the collapse of the soviet union. the idea of breaking the russia part was a concept in the 3 emerged in the early 99 days in the works of speak me up, but it's in schema. who was a security advisor to several us presidents? no idea since then nato has been expanding eastwards, all the way ceased working of us. now we are witnessing the backlash. what niggers? i think there is something to this conflict we having seen before. one of the

confrontation between russia and the west had indeed begun a long time ago that way before the 24th of february 2022. or that we have never seen any attempt to ban sykowski with no c. s. he until now he of and that was literally, you may have heard the story about a 200 year old oak tree in to again, if museum, which was banned from participating in the european tree of the year contests in order to exclude russia, organic tree that was any other way that i see, you know, i mean this is marana, evade and wanted their void or is there some kind of deeper meaning here? is there an underlying purpose or are people just losing their minds? went to law is, can't really, the goal is to control the population, the public opinion, many and to ready cade all other years. see years mostly through games. oak has no right to exist in the west. will. people will want

to know why you, me, bravo, feel the it over or under explain this, that you are told russians are evil people. i said they should be punished. my li, are you, are you still now that he not garza, she already may keep appealing to the sounds self public conscience to the ideal punishment. so this is, glen, keep trying to implant and to people's minds. the idea that russians are some kind of barbarians gets in the see, there are 4 european values must be abandoned in ukraine. that's why they pretend that ukraine is a democracy. they keep using these concepts as tools. what you must, you see while there are a number of democratic countries in eastern europe, just the majority, are authoritarian regimes when he's done the, it is she who holland, for example, or the baltic states national a, been my own country. might you know what it is very important for the collapse of

the ussr pow suffice our ideology, little saying that we follow with the same development path as europe ever obisky or as weak base is simply impossible. you cannot build a board. you are democracy without a pro democracy middle class will just do this. who is going to build democracy? then i thought it would be all the guards said without any culture from scratch. do you want the deed was concentrate all economic power in their hands through privatization. nothing more yet. we hear old is nonsense about european culture. well, professor craft, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments they can. ah

ah ah welcome back to worlds. apparently the last kraus, professor of russian history out there. unfortunately, on the university of sciences, in budapest, a has a profession, i lay you mentioned the idea of appealing to people's consciences. it seems to me that the hallmark of russian culture is its complexity and absolute walker. we're good on that as it appeals directly to the humans. so it's not the only coach to do that. but i said that it's distinctive feature in this one because it's us thought,

would you agree that these attempts to cancel tchaikovsky to kenneth and dostoevsky are intended to keep boisterous away men from russian culture? a good idea of the g. i was the middle school going to renew july exam, the shortest so that it can not touch their souls and let them see through the haze of not only the wrist, the phobia, but also the anti capitalist system. scuse, see, i'm a good boy that basically squeezes the live out of people. come see us in some would save money to humanize. is us with that? like, i'm not going to, i mean, they're not be a good day. for example, as that german woman was talking old, that nonsense sort of saw the prism for olsen made a point. you just get sad that one cannot ignore their deep and breach russian culture. got dora, which represents the panic, whole of human achievement. bridge old dude. yeah. dogs, you have to admit that because every one now sex door and dogs so, but harm is not as great as we might hear me. people won't be filled. they, cecily,

it isn't going to west as over doing it. why some in the west are being over zealous in the way. they carry out the orders from washington and brussels. yup. yup. it among the intellectually lead side and see any one trying to directly its russian culture group led the way you did get to her some may not wish to have context with the russian scholars to buy new. might. you know to my, i me, nick, i just saw me refused to chris palmed with russian in black shoals at the satera. doesn't you there? but the, the hatred asthma dodson goes so deep as to warrant a man on chikavsky. org tolstoy, a law. and then i don't feel that kind of sentiment just yet, but i called the number but stolen does yet, but you might add, does that, did you not upgraded your jewel so you mean it seems to me there's something home,

a superstitious or richer left click about this movement to cancel russia, i think you may remember the incident in sweden when a concept in support of ukraine was cancelled after the swedish musicians found out when the bell alike, as they were supposed to pray, were made in russia well alike as good counsel. how crazy is that? this is magical thinking in its purest form. they think they are somehow helping the ukrainians by doing whole is with old. is russo phobia said can a russian by the like a had ukrainians in any way. bullshit, we get a bit of a hope that these superstitious approach will help generate more support. more emotional solidarity with the ukranian refugees, guys gimme by, that's not true. and your brother. we happy in helping the ukranian refugees since day one. we are helping them take russians are helping miss jackie. people of all political views, all sorts of people are helping yes. yes,

we either needed some money to so all the hate against russians comes from the top . i'm going to use more with it. maybe it's just the way i see it, but there has been a lot of mystical messaging in the dollar, but when the kremlin and the white house, when you got senior premium and bill and for example, peyton and biden bring up god. and that also biden said some time ago, the poodle had no soul, which was quite a strong statement, because we really do think that this conflict, when russia in the west is defined merely by the struggle for geopolitical influence. resources is the right to decide for the nation, so probably the sides of the game will be or is it also a spiritual battle of some sort as well? yes. teaches these things, do not exist separately, but it's very chilled the political envy, konami aspects all work together. and yeah, there is

a global conflict going on in the us and the collective west one to restore there had gemini in the world even these up. but what you need to do this, they need to demonize each enemy that poses a real trap, like china, india, et cetera. most indeed are in new factories, some of the global scene, and nobody really understands them. well. this is all about a new world order. well, you say nobody understands them, but i think in russia at least, i think i do understand them when you get hit, who can watch the motions, you know, have a certain inclination for mysticism certainly. but so do the americans sports with them with sure we are really close in this regard. we'll believe we're the chosen people. so i'll give an example. cravett been by the author denounces president putin to narrative speaks bad by the way, and biden is on

a mission to fight russian all the garbage. if rudy isn't fighting against capitalism like, i do know he's targeting russian oligarchs. why isn't he fighting american oligarchs? what's the difference? a month or ration oligarch started bad american. the oligarchs are good guys. keowee god, he's got us. she and please as mr. c. as in its purest form. miss me, how can one believe this is your right? one can tip one as a racial person. i usually go, it's a matter of faith. you bring your mind letting me up, but i, i was struck by russian soldiers paintings that under the coastal sky. if it's an ancient slattich latin, meaning the us here at the ocean, it's not a 5 ounce can look like i thought as much head z m luther. it's other meanings were

a land nation that people die, that i'm not, not a what it by that it even denotes the human body in its entirety. i was able, nice here, i had them would say for russians sits and next essential spiritual battle. and what about the west, when you might think, does it understand it's not just about cream, that is much more than that. as a boy. it will walk aviation. i thought i said just but i for you. i be a brush you're going to ship is to let you not all the you see the people at large, haven't internalize this yet. only some might understand the meaning called this latter go dog bud bilson, power. hey, this latter is key lee. they, they are trying to ban it. can you believe this law dire yanagishta banning a ladder a place shine? how is it possible? is that going to show this is the civilized world. so to say the west campaigning against the latter was up but blue?

well, his shoulder is a joke, saying it's not easy lansky, but dear lansky crazy. so much say you asked, what is it that has shocked me? the most grassy these has brought us the logo. but us? no, i guess a professor cries, there might be some deep meaning to this out him i love the romanian philosopher and historian of religion mere charlie id gave it to me. i thought of his study, the connection between geography and spirituality. you're one of his most famous wax, is the sacred and the profane. you name a point, the own go i did he ok is there that when a home or a land loses his cosmological meanings, her pass and i have yet to the passions body and entire existence, also lose their spiritual and religious dimension was a hit on your portion to shy absurdity of yours in the way beholden. there was no sla, but don't you think? said you've bryant agonizing, the west. russia is fighting globalization is absolutely. and the idea that

a passage should be detached from the land. habits from the history of his ancestors robbed the idea of being free and separated from the historical, cultural and spiritual processes of a process. it's not em delia. globalization is the idea that you can be anywhere or saw in was it, which is yeah, if you put it this way is essentially against human spiritual nature, whose voice in an upper about asia. the warmest give me, you know, when you, when you had, you brought it, you know, i'm a historian, so i speak from, but i story called perspective in recent decades, globalization has brought about some tremendously negative consequences for all of mankind. what's your lineage? is it the bomb william? i think everyone agrees on that to day look again. but what was the response to these neal liberal global is the challenges e still morse

loves yeah. the response seems to be that they decided they can try to humanist and religious feelings and use them as a pretext to wage a war that actually has completely different real reasons. obviously genesis, i've seen this debbie. there is this issue of national south expression in eastern ukraine. this is the breo leash here, junior law. not love us. daughter, is that a new grain? and that a, i live up grossi in as up and make for this is also true for western ukraine that i see russia never said it didn't want an independent process in ukraine. will that retail claim it was? it did not want the country to become a ground to launch and offensive, but it does renew annisa my. they are and hushing up all of ukraine's problems. loop up shows up on the group again over. ready old, there isn't a single mansion of negative aspect, slight ukrainian,

that says in western propaganda morley. i have one last question about propaganda. coincidentally, about in his speech announcing the start of the special operation in ukraine. president putin called the west the empire of life, c. e o you in period 3 with is i see it that was a reference to preston rake and cooling the soviet union and even empire community to say that because i also want them to ring. and what i want to ask you personally, not as a historian, owner, academic, but as a passing her we do you believe that truth is power reviewed that the truth always comes out sooner or later than with icbc? i glad. yes, the gala is lee. yea, be honest, there's like a king. if i were to lose faith and human kind and the truth my, my life would be meaningless, as i did candidly without it. you grow still your mobile it bad that we on your

domain still there. yeah, that's why i don't think generalized concepts like the west and the star legitimate political, but they are too broad a local but as he is up, but nobody of us talk when applied, they raised the diversity of the west, east and russia. they give rise to cultural braces, naziism, and russo phobia the analogies. instead, we need to analyze the existing global and regional systems. and if you want to give us was not bitterly you. also, you have to have a critical approach to capitalism. but i wish the best way to reach you you've otherwise it's impossible to solve any crisis. is a weather today or tomorrow? yes, you know your skis, zach professor. i think we had a very spirited conversation. thank you very much for that. thank you. good bye.

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