ah, so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race group is on often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time time to sit down and talk with me

and only welcome to all to part regardless of its outcome. the conflict between russia and your brain to build for years remain an open. the one between peoples, once considered themselves, brothers and wild french recital. strife is as old as history. the confrontation over your brain may have given rise to a totally new phenomenon of instrumental eyes. and cultivated hatred, who doesn't serve? to discuss it, i'm now joined by it. come on, cross professor of russian history, ab torso, ramping diversity of sciences. in budapest, professor counts as a christ. thank you very much for your time. i appreciate the opportunity to talk to you hello. you have been researching russian and soviet history for a long time. and you've also analyzed it from the perspective of russia's relations with the west point was this perception of russians as bloodthirsty barbarians isn't a new idea. is it h i thought you saw the faces an old idea. yes, if you want to pinpoint the historical roots of fruits of phobia, full

b x because i don't know how to go back to the 16th century, just not just not the will be a story that was the time when brush became in a way arrival to britain died that was back than the british empire at depth of open yoga seed up by scenes that period. we have seen what risks of phobia emerged time and again, taking new forms and serving new goals. she at the back. invariably it had to do with the competition in the global arena, says great powers confronted his shoulder and thoughtful, all sorts of advantageous positions. some the global scene. ready by his a professor crashed as far as i understand any anthropologists will tell you that this kind of fair and immunization of the other tribe is

a natural phenomenon. with historically, humans have always thought over. so says, territories and power. don't you say that given russia size and influence yet it's essentially inevitable for somebody to fairbetter match what you may i me and the same goes for cynthia america, for the et cetera. i mean, he's be an additional 8 years of course, old is different. po bears have existed and will continue to exist. but we must always look for the powers that promote this phobias. you did you for scott course celia, we must see how much not by hate the people of a given country or region experience how fearlessly they are attacked bushes because most of they've spelled is we are not at all like grassroots phenomena. now maybe for example, i was in berlin

a few days ago and i did not see any anti russian sentiment. when i talk to the people, yet nobody harass trash and speakers. dally? yeah. oh though we know from german defends ministry reports, you get a minute that there have been several 100 incidents. your federal, including attacks and monuments and statues, etc. but this isn't a popular movement. news. yeah. or a no call crimson. it's nothing like what happened during the anti semitic pogroms because i understand what you mean. this is a kind of have that have different true king. so will be a recipe bears an organized top down phenomena and it has always been that way. i know who, yeah. so what you're saying is that from

a natural prejudice which is inherent in all nations, will be just mr. so be as no, being deliberately and purposefully transform into a tool for shaming specific goals. you come up with. yes, this new type of rusito bit is part of the war and the ukraine. you might to, if a new person, it's a means to cheer cohesion within the collective wes, to influence the population. gladly more, but the role of the media is critical. you know me any ketchel? yes. channels like cnn, bbc, it sat right on. want to name all of them. it's all in there for to demonize russia . we can see every minute of every day this easy i was planning. so if i understand you correctly, your argument is that some of the best progress, if mindfully, i feel you must have decided to exploit humanities massey, primitive instinct. or should i be a good at why, what is there and game?

he thought i would say income casanya nicea m ugly used to be you to laugh me, gave an example for the audience. and i did get the listening that they made. yes. you in the e u, there is a top official in charge of foreign affairs by the name of joseph burrell. mealy bought it, o m o m o. he is anti russian to the corps and doesn't even deny it. and his sad that russia must be defeated on the battlefield. my boy if need to be stone hort, what is his agenda won't go? why does he talk such nonsense? he sunday, he is a man of tremendous responsibility, appro nascar. what are we even talking about to be a few days after i heard him say that it dawned on me why i was determined woman in her forties or fifties, speak to shell on z d f and major sherman t,

the channel david bro, grandma and i was yes, she was from a younger generation, not the hitler youth generation. ah, julia gun know what she sad was so baffling please. i even remember her last name. it was gal go your amelia. i was amazed that a sentiment like that could be expressed in the very heart of europe. you have roku, i'm not going to be. she spoke in favor of pumping ukraine with heavy weaponry. and her argument was that we should find the russians because they are a talking or a liberal and post modern way of life. you know, a lot you. so this woman, mother lay a german citizen, once germany to fight russia in the name of european valley is national.

libra was mobility school geez, i haven't a professor christ. my understanding is that this battle has more than just a political dimension. it has also expanded into the realm of culture. hopefully nobody wants to. hi. yes, this is don in order to serve cultural supremacy over russia. that's why i gave you the example of that german woman. this line of argument is simply baffling for intellectuals to revert to some sort of racist or nazi fear rising to cultural racism. it is, i'm thinkable, there is a massive risk for russia here as well. if it fails to handle these developments properly. not that i'm very worried about russia's response. we must not go back to the 1940 or 1950 is back to the soviet anti gus my politan campaign, like watching last name nickerson. i mean, i think it's an important thing to understand that under the banner fighting pigeons,

russia versus cultural heritage from including the heritage of the 19th or early 20th century is getting essentially cancel it. not put it back to my child. but that though, there are plenty of examples of this kind of idiocy happening. can you tell us which one shows you the nice deal after he died and lately so did it love the authoritarian base of liberalism. it shocked me to see that it exists. but it's like, well deposits if say i have a position and it's not the official position of the e. u. for example, natalie word though i expressed that position. the brewster. not any fear. the voices advanced somewhere on the fringes, if by one to say, i want the truth, i send for diplomacy and pace. this is a very simple position, but where can i make my boys heard you say you didn't have access to the media. you wasn't young boys, do you want find this sort of a finance expressed anywhere in the media, nodding,

germany or not and call and let me know, you know, but i know what people actually think. i've been to many european countries lately . people don't want war. they believe in pace. they are against the pumping ukraine with arms because these cannot be achieved that way. miss the miss the meta mask. but instead of payson negotiations, we've got chris, a phobia, or ukraine, a phobia, a book. it works almost the same way. all the other side, i mean, this is a question. i think i'll have to disagree with you here. because i do not see this anti ukraine sentiment in russia, in part because we all have family in ukraine. any god nicholas? no, there is no ukraine of phobia, russia every night, no matter what the media says, we call our relatives to check how they're doing. so they gene, we worry about them all the time. so if someone says this was easy on the russian people that to lie when we realized this is

a heavy bad and i would even say great sin in some day we will have to pay for it starting up and get the blessing. noah. but for us, don't stall, but the thing is, the way i see it is that the west left russia now as a choice booked it. but that's the tramps you do. it least for actors involved rocha. i've already talked about the authoritarian phase of liberalism. they claim that crush alone is responsible for the war that the conflict again and sample rate, $24.00, and then you got a didn't a double the war started way before that time, a historian. so i analyzed phenomena from a historical perspective. they give you most of these more and began it made it, we operate the collapse of the soviet union delete the idea of breaking the russia part was a concept in the 3 emerged in the early 19 nineties in the works of

a speak me up, but as in scale, it was a security advisor to several us presidents. no idea since dan native has been expanding eastwards, always eastward of us. now we are witnessing the backlash. what any of us? i think there is something to this conflict we having seen before. not one of the confrontation between russia and the west had indeed begun a long time ago that way before the 24th of february 2022. or that we have never seen any attempt to ban sikowski with those cs he until now he of and that was literally you may have had the story about a 200 year old oak tree in to get if museum, which was banned from participating in the european tree of the year contest in order to exclude russia, organic tree. that was any other way that i see, you know, i mean this is marana, invade and wanted their voice, or is there some kind of deeper meaning here? is there an underlying papist, or are people just losing their minds?

went to law. if he is going to rally the goal is to control the population, the public opinion, many and to ready cade all other years. see? years mostly through games. oak has no right to exist in the west. several people will want to know why you, me, bravo, fee will be it over or under. explain this, that you are told russians are evil people. i said they should be punished. my li, are you, are you still not a not sure, but if they keep appealing to the sounds self, probably conscience to the ideal punishment. so this is glen, keep trying to implant and to people's minds. the idea that russian says are some kind of barbarians gets in the see, there are 4 european values must be abandoned in ukraine. that's why they pretend

that ukraine is a democracy. even though they keep using these concepts as tools with us, you see while there are a number of democratic countries in eastern europe, just the majority are authoritarian regimes. when he's done the it is she was holland, for example, or the baltic states national a been my own country. mike, you know what? it is very important for the collapse of the ussr. pacified our ideology, little saying that we follow with the same development path as europe ever obisky as weak base is simply impossible. you cannot build a board. you are democracy without a pro democracy middle class. we'll just do this. who is going to build democracy? then i thought it would be all the guards without any culture from scratch. doherty what they did was concentrate all economic power in their hands through privatization. nothing more yet. we hear old is nonsense about european culture.

well, professor cross, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. the june. ah eighty's. ah, ah. oh the wrong one, i just don't know any. yes to shave out. disdain

becomes the advocate and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah, one come back to wells, apparently the last krause, professor of russian history out there at fortune or on the university of sciences . in budapest, a has a patricia, i lay you mentioned the idea of appealing to people's consciences, because it seems to me that the whole mock of russian culture is its complexity and absolute walker. we're good on that as it appeals directly to the humans. so it is not the only coach to do that, but they said that it's distinctive feature in this one because the thought would

you agree that these attempts to cancel tchaikovsky to kenneth and dostoevsky are intended to keep boisterous away and from russian culture. a good idea as up of the g, i thought was the little scrutiny of july inside the shores so that it can not touch their souls and let them see through the haze of not only the wrist, the phobia, but also the entire catholic system. this is tamika bora that basically squeezes the live out of people. come see us in some would save money to humanize. is us live with that? like i'm not going to, i mean they're not be a good day. for example, as that germans woman was talking old that nonsense sort of saw the prism for olsen made a point. you just get sad that one cannot think ignore their teeth and breach russian culture. got dora, which represents the panic, whole of human achievement. i bleed, you're good. yeah, dogs. you have to admit that because every one now such door and dog, so be harm is not as great as we might hear. people won't be filled. they, cecily,

it isn't going to west as over doing it. my som in the west are being over zealous in the way. they carry out the orders from washington and brussels. yeah, you have it among the intellectual elite side and see any one trying to directly its russian culture girl by the way you did get to her some may not wish to have context with the russian scholars to buy new might you know, to my i me nick, i just saw me refused to chris palmed with russian in black shoals at the center of doesn't you there, but didn't a, the hatred asthma dodson goes so deep as to warrant a man on chikavsky. org tolstoy i like that know and then i don't feel that kind of sentiment just yet, but i called the number the store does yet, but you might enter. so did you not over the edge yet?

your school, you mean, it seems to me there's something home, a superstitious or richer lift pick about this movement to cancel russia. that means you may remember the incident in sweden, when a concept in support of ukraine was cancelled after the swedish musicians found out when the bell alike, as they were supposed to pray, were made in russia well alike as good counsel. how crazy is that? this is magical thinking in its purest form. they think they are somehow helping the ukrainians by doing whole is with old. is russo phobia said can a russian, bela like, had the craniums in any way or should we get a bit of a help that these slippers teachers approach will help generate more support, more emotional solidarity with the ukranian refugees. guys give me bonds. that's not true. but we have been helping the cranium refugees since day one. we are helping them take russians are helping misaki people of all political views,

old sorts of people are helping. yes, those is yes. be a good night and needed some money too. so all the hate against russians comes from the top. i'm going to use that to the more than, but maybe it's just the way i see it. but there has been a lot of mystic messaging in the dallas between the kremlin and the white house from when you got seniors looking no $1000000000.00. for example, both payton and biden, bring up god, a line of all that. oh said biden said some time ago that peyton had no soul, which was quite a strong statement. it is because evening. do you think that this conflict between russia and the west is defined merely by the struggle for a geopolitical influence? resources, it is the right to decide for the nation. so i decide that there will be in that will be or is it also a spiritual battle of some soon as well? yes. ology just these things do not exist separately. this burrito all, the political emb, economy, aspects all work together. yeah. yeah. there is

a global conflict going on. the u. s. and the collective west one to restore their ahead germany and the world even these up. but what it was that, i mean, give them good, do this, they need to demonize, each animal that poses a real threat, like china, india, et cetera. a bus is, or a new factor is some, the global scene and nobody really understands them. well, we admire. this is all about a new world order. well, you say nobody understands them, but i think in russia, at least, i think i do understand them. when i went, it came with the russians, you know, have a certain inclination for him, mrs. and you said we will certainly, but so do the americans spoke with them, so wasn't sure we are really close in this regard. we'll believe we're the chosen people, which i'll give an example. president biden often denounces president putin,

who never speaks back by the way in biden, is on a mission to fight russian ali garbage. yes, bro, he isn't fighting against capitalism. like, i do know he's targeting russian oligarchs. why isn't he fighting american? all the guards? what's the difference? a month or ration oligarch started bad american oligarchs are good guys. keowee got he's got a she and this is mr. c. as in its purest form. miss me. how can one believe this to you right? one cam tip. one is a racial person, i usually go, it's a matter of faith. can you bring him with him yet? but i was struck by russian soldiers paintings that under the coastal sky, if it's an ancient slattich latin meanings. yes. there. i thought watching the image that a 5 ounce can look like. i thought i had my chad is e m. lucas place as in meanings

were land nation people. i that i'm not, not a what it even to narrative the human body in its entirety. i love table nice here i had the most say for russian sits and next essential spiritual battle. look on. what about the west? when you might think, does it understand it's not just about cream. that is much more than that. as a boy, it will walk aviation. i thought i suggest, but i thought it a show going to ship is to let you not all the you see the people at large. haven't to internalize this yet. only some might understand the meaning called this letter . go dog bud bilson, power. hey, this latter is key, lee. they, they are trying to ban it. can you believe this law? dire genovese banning a ladder a place shine? how is it possible? is that going to show this is the civilized world. so to say the west campaigning

against the latter does not, but blue was his shoulder is a joke, saying it's not easy lansky, but here lansky crazy. so much say you asked, why does it that has shocked me the most grassy these has it but as the look it's about us. no, i guess professor cries there might be some deep meaning to this yell at him to pilot the romanian philosophy and historian of religion mere charlie id gave it to me. i thought of his study, the connection between geography and spirituality. you're one of his most famous works is the sacred and the profane. you name it when the ongoing. he argues there, that when a home or a land loses his cosmological meaning to pass and i have yet to the passenger body, and entire existence, also lose their spiritual and religious dimension wasn't his line of boys in the shy, absurd, yours, in the way, because there was no sla, but don't you think fed you've client agonizing, the west? russia is fighting globalization. he's actually, and the idea that

a passage should be detached from the land, from the history of his ancestors. the idea of being free and separated from the historical that cultural and spiritual processes are processing. it's not a mom dealer. globalization is the idea that you can be anywhere or saw in was it, which is yeah, if you put it this way is essentially against human spiritual nature, whose voice in an upper it's about asia, the warmest give us no one you know, you had, you brought it, yeah, you know, i'm a historian, so i speak from bad a story called perspective. in recent decades, globalization has brought about some tremendously negative consequences for all of mankind, or you're looking at the from royal i think everyone agrees on that to day look again. but what was the response to these neal liberal globally as challenges

e still moore's love? she asked, the response seems to be that they decided that they can ride a humanist and religious feelings and use them as a pretext to wage a war that actually has completely different real reasons of just me, jen. lucy, subset this debbie. there is this is she of national south expression in eastern ukraine? this is the real issue. jane. yeah. not, not love us, don't you? is that a new grade and that a i live up rossi in as up at mclean. this is also true from western ukraine. that i seen russia never said it didn't want an independent process in ukraine with grain. it was, it did not want the country to become a ground to launch and offensive. what family does senior annisa my, they are and hushing up all of ukraine's problems. move up shows up on the group. i got over. ready over there isn't a single mansion of negative aspect,

slight ukrainian, that says in western propaganda morley. i have one last question about propaganda. coincidentally, about in his speech announcing the start of the special operation in ukraine. president putin called the west the empire of life, e y e o you imperial agree with them? is i see it that was a reference to preston rake and cooling the soviet union and even empire community to say that because i also want them to reagan. what i want to ask you personally, not as a historian, owner, academic, but as a passing her we do you believe that truth is power review that the truth always comes out sooner or later than with bugging back cpr? it? yes, this is lee. yea, be honest, there's like a king. if i were to lose faith and human kind 10 the truth my, my life would be meaningless. i candidly, without it, you model gross,

do you mind if i had that we on your domain still dark here? that's why i don't think generalize concepts like the west and the star legitimate legal but they are too broad a local but as he is a good idea of us dog when applied, they raised the diversity of the west, east and russia. they give rise to cultural braces, naziism, and russo phobia the anomalies. instead, we need to analyze the existing global and regional systems. and if you want to, you eat your most was not big. you also, you have to have a critical approach to capitalism. but i wish the best way to reach you you've otherwise it's impossible to. so benny crisis is a weather today or tomorrow. yes, you would know your sneeze doctor. well, professor, i think we had a very spirited conversation. thank you very much for that. thank you. goodbye,

and thank you for watching this here again on the wells apart. ah ah. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it, tracy confrontation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical time to sit down and talk

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