for a war, the anamosa tickets in russia and the united states has been building for a number of years. in fact, one could argue that it never really disappear. it's just diminished with the end of the cold war. how far can the current conflict over ukraine tank it and what does it mean for the rest of the world? well, to discuss that, i'm now joined by what is id, professor of political communications at the university of tech ron. pressing his id is great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. i should for harry. now, in one of your recent articles, he suggested that they said you political rivalry over your credit, that we all are now observing in some are even participating in just like the problem of iran. suppose it malicious nuclear intentions is essentially an artificial problem. it was deliberately created by the americans to justify their intentional geopolitical. you cannot make hostility towards those countries. does

washington even need a pretext to do what it said? it's mind on doing? you know, when it comes to russia, i think they do because it's not very easy to question russia when it comes to you . they can always tend to take the case to the. ready un security council with russia having a veto power in the security cancer. that's not going to work out. that you choose the don trying to make an easier ball with russia. russia has lots of nuclear bombs already, so that, that is not going to work with russia is so if you like, the states wants to fight russia and they want to do that just that. they need to find that a skews, and i think that's why they don't want the ukraine to finish. because if there is a settlement,

then you're going to be able to use ukraine to put pressure on russia. and that is why if you go back a few years ago, the united states did not want to miss agreements to go through because that's what that solve all the problems. and then ukraine would not have been able to be used as a stage to attack ratio. cost to fix the problem with that rationale is that the war in your brain is putting pressure not only on russia, but pretty much the rest of the world. because we see that in the form of skyrocketing within the field prices in many, many countries that have nothing to do with russia or ukraine on filling the pinch . now you've been pretty open about your use that you believe that the conflict in your credit is changing their current world order and that is pushing it towards the more multi polar arrangement with different powers are going to compete with

each other. do you think that arrangement, whatever it's going to be, if you think could be more or less violent than what we have at the moment. you know when to the transition, we had the bipolar world or this is 2nd world war. you have united states and the soviet union, and then after the end of soviet union, americans thought they're going to have a uni polar role with united, the 6 leaving that being that when this was about people like francis fukuyama talk to but in the history debate among the scholars there's what americans wanted to do was actually achieve. there are some people who believe that americans never could establish. ringback really pull out there some people who

believed they did it for maybe 15 or 18 years from the fall of the soviet union and 2007 or 2008. and so these are the based on that. but what you know now is that the world is moving toward the most high polar system. and during this transition, you're going to see more difficulties. so you're going to see countries trying to find ways of improving the chances of actually being a greater power. when the new world is that should be settled out now, but as far as, as we move away from this western centers system or as the system continues to disintegrate, do you think they will ever be a moment when countries like, let's say iran, russia been israel, and other nations that have have had the experience of being sanctioned for

a prolonged period of time. do you think they they will come to a point of appreciating that experience because it made them more self sufficient? could it saves them some pain as the transition period continued, because it's got this transition. i think that really is going to be painful for many members of the international system, you know, has been on the sanctions since 979 since the lucian is so used to faction and that experience of being on the sanctions and also continue to live and continue to prosper and has done a lot in terms of building things that you need sanctions, a lot of especially high tech devices. ringback are not able to be sent to you, don. so iranian scientists in manufacturers manage to build

a lot of things internally, instead of relying on outside sources. it's going to be more difficult to do that. but once you do that, then you're going to be self sufficient. that is why, for example, the military does not depend on the 10th from outside. they make all the things that they want internally. and that is going to be important, as you said, using this transition time. thanks. show that to us fire policy to cause difficulties for countries that are not fathering us the 6 and the more self sufficient. you are, the less those factions are going to help you. and the more cooperation you are seeing amongst sanctioned countries. so for example, we had a huge rush and dedication in just a few days ago. russia relations are going to be much more now since

their common problems and common enemies. and i think the same thing is going to be true with other countries that the us feels they need to pressure pressure. now, you mentioned before that they if we accept that they can direct confrontation between russia, the west or russian, the united states was intentional, was just a matter of finding the right pretext. do you think all those ripple a fact that the global economy is witnessing or, and the american economies also with this thing, do you think that was sort of a factor then? because americans are now facing unprecedented inflation, which is adding to already preexisting social pensions. and all of that will be crucial mid term elections. the binding the ministrations approval ratings are among bill always things in history. do you think all of that was also, you know, part of the plan? you know, you may have heard that you need it. i feel the harmony has called the u. s.

government mafia regime. and ben, you said the how the us government works. you. busy realize that people interest the us citizens interest of the citizens of europe, interest, other people's interest is not really the 1st by the 1st priority for american politicians is to get to the elective and they get elected by raising millions of dollars and oil companies. big manufacturers in the cities that benefit from was quite happy. you look at what they are doing in the u. s. a stock market in the last 3 months. and so that is going to be a priority with the american people. the suffered or not is going to be a concern,

but it's going to be the 2nd test consent of people like president biden and other people who are in the white house. and that is why causing the kind of situation. and then they realize that not only people in the united states, but people in asia, in africa and other places are going to suffer. but american could care less about suffering of the people. but they care about that make an official is basically benefiting the smallest the other gene that they're running and washing. but the professor is, i mean let me challenge you on this one because we both come from countries with a fairly large reserve war of resilience. you know, we've been exposed to hardship before, but the american population by and large, are used to living pretty comfortable lives. and i have a lot of friends in the good faith who are, who have been used to comfort and who bought into all this ideological rhetoric

about freedoms and how the american government or the american society, the american way of life, is exceptional. but now when they have to pay what they have to pay the gas pump, i think they have receptions that changing very rapidly. and you can easily see that across the polls, that the sort of the social attitude in the united states are changing, maybe not dramatically yet, but a lot of people, i actually questioning whether what they've been told by their sources is indeed supported by the reality. do you think it's still business as usual in the united states this time around? or do you think perhaps they may have been change in the collective? not in the leadership, but in the way the collective decide to proceed. what leadership is doing. you know, that's a risk that us government took. they wanted to do this very much. if you look at apple rad reports and the think thank in the united states.

they published a report in 2019 the years ago, talking about this is the title of that report. they say, well, they're reaching and unbalanced in russia. so, especially democrats in the united states after 2016 election, nearly wanted to cause serious harm. russia, the country russians as, as a nation. and that's was a very important go. and the american officials, you know, they rely on the propaganda machine that the corporate media in the united states provide. so. ready and then by shutting down independent outlets that are not controlled by the media. us media like mac, r, t. so sitting content that is not in line, that is

a foreign policy both. and then i'm sure you and your family prior to that a few years prior to that, because yes, the network was also essentially ostracized. them taking off international airways because it was broadcasting something that wasn't in line with the american mainstream. but i tell you, it took a couple of years for the u. s. good to go to that process. and they get to russia and outlets in a few days, but they did to couple of years. it took them just a few days to, to attack the russian media. so going back to your question, do this list that the american officials took that they taught that maybe the corporate media in the united states would justify all the harm that's going to be faced by the american people. and to be honest with you,

i don't know when there's this level of propaganda is going to actually work or not . you have a segment of the american population. that is, yeah, i think what the bite in administration is doing is powerful to the united states as a country. and there's a segment that is basically following the propaganda to them. i guess we will have to wait and see, but for the time being, let's take a very short break and we'll be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. me i choose ah

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americans are capable of doing all of the things that you mention. and i actually was quite surprised. and i listened to 20 lincoln's speech about china just a few days ago. and there were people in the united states that are doing that. and china could play a role by helping russia and fight this edition that's coming from the united states. and there were some people who are doing that with policy. a good policy is actually causing difficulties between russia and china. and when i listen to lincoln, i realize that they are actually making a decision of putting pressure on china. at the same time, i think russia, which is, i don't think it's a video decision, but american officials are also making decisions in the past. and the result is that,

i think the chinese yellow american succeed in this campaign against russia. china is going to be next and that's very important. now, on the other hand, there was, the situation with russia were creating more emphasis. invoices, there seems to be for the resumption of the iranian nuclear talk. they're in slow motion again. and while i understand what's in it with americans, after all, around, there's a large oil producer and we already mentioned be, you know, the discontent, american voters, when they come to the gas station, what i cannot understand is, wasn't it for iran, why would your country need another agreement with the american would be easily revolved by the previous administration by this for having, by this next administration. rather, that is why you have a need as a really cost about him. and is this american saying that you for me, once,

shame on you for me twice, shame, shame on me. so they don't, i don't want to be sort of see the same problem again like the american iranians are actually starting the years folk lower and relying on some of the american folk wisdom. and you know, if you have some of those, say, my knowledge of russian is not that great. so i don't know if there's something similar to russian, but a, i expect, you know, this is, this is a very large something to do. and, you know, given that fact, if you on your lead is that competing with russia in the oil market is not going to be a good policy. i think the majority of those think that having some sort of cooperation with russia,

because this is what the americans do. they want to push on to a position that the russian government is not going to the police. so they sabotaged united russia relations. but i think in your life, the fact that competing with russia and energy market is not going to be something good because no matter what i can tell you the gender, the don't do what they say and they do other things. and this is the experience we have had with the united states in the last 4 years running the talk surrounding the iranian nuclear problem have been going on for so long and various iterations that it's hard to understand what the center on for the time being are they feel about your suppose the intention to have a military application of your nuclear technology, or are they essentially about the mon, the pain that the,

the west can legitimately subject iran to what, what is it the center of those you know, one called them major problem that we have is that based on the 2015 agreement, g u a the united states and other members of the 5 plus one that they do not. 3 in till you are national, cannot make relations and that was that's what, that's what you were supposed to get. you done would get severe limitations and peaceful newspaper route and the other side would stop sabotage and united economy internally or externally. and in reality, what happened was that they, they never yearly follow that article of the agreement and then top left. so let me just clarify for our audience the agreement was signed, but be in practical terms. many of the international bank still refused to do

business with iranian answer, privacy. you never quite read the rewards that were promised. they were on paper, but they never came to being materialized. that is a tool. and now what they want to do, what happened during the tough administration was that they put part of military under sanctions. they called the military terrace organization, which has never been done before. and then they put that part of us military under sanctions. and the aim was to sabotage whatever the next administration in the united states decided to do. this is what people like robert maggie was needing. the american team was saying at that time that the top administration is doing things to make the j. c. a very difficult now. 1 that these people are in power,

it seems they want to continue the sanctions that created this addiction to sanctions that you see people in the white house and they want to continue with that addiction. they want to achieve that sanctions. and the problem that is that this gives them a tool to basically sanction anybody in utah as the english because they can just say that this person is linked to the military. and that's, that's how the sanction that person. so by keeping us little city under sanctions, they want to actually have a role of not doing what they're supposed to do under the agreement. and that's what you'd be. there's a very cautious if you'd like to what's going on. now speaking about their reading liter, if you already mentioned the speech that i had told him he gave a couple of weeks ago in which he talked about the need for the muslim world. and

specifically, iran not to be sidelined as the world's most or try to take can you shape not to sideline? does many muslim countries were after the 2nd world war when the current system was, was forming? how do you think the muslim world or the my which let's agree there's also divided across national terry and political life. how do you think it could bring its weight to bear on international politics? i think what i have decided and you're hoping that other muslim countries do the same is to actually have alliances and networks with countries that resisting us him and russia and china. and so the cultures are different religions, a different cultural backgrounds are different,

but it is a common threat to humanity in washington. and us policies are causing lots of difficulties for organ if people are are that is so this is the. busy hope that we have that countries that realize that countries that have the option of not full following us, you know that there's some continued under us pressure. we have in this part of the world. the have countries that have us spaces inside, inside the country. it's difficult for them to make in the end the policy decisions . but for countries that are relatively less dependent on the united states, the hope is that having network in the coalition of countries that are going to resist that pressure that's coming from the united states and developing discussion of this. that's why a lot of people admire what the russia is doing now,

because russia and neither ship finally decided to say no to this aggressive policy that was coming from from the best that needs to be have that needs to be that needs to continue. and then our job in, in countries outside of this year is actually to join forces to make sure that you take when he is going to. and so let that happen, professor, is that correct me? if i'm wrong, i don't think any country can afford to take such a rebel is stands for cultural or your political reasons. but what i'm also seeing over the last couple of months is that many of the old rival resort i'm, if you said being rephrase that many, a historical grievances between countries, let's say india and china or russia and turkey, iran and some of the goals phase. but i think these rapid changes in the international system that they've been discussing through the program today. of

course, in many of the countries to sort of think outside the box. do you think that also happen closer to your home? do you think that could be any recreational between the sunni and the sheer world to that would be that great. that's towards making the muslim world and it's waived on. busy international politics. so, you know, has been trying to do that since the 1979 stomach revolution, you know, has been supporting palestinians that you know, and suddenly muslims. and you don't actually think a lot of the high price of supporting palestinians, especially with military technology, so they can defend themselves against israeli, or the probably spaniels awaiting international politics. it's a, it's a very painful issue. but that influence is not that big. if we take, let's say the golf monarch is like the saudi arabia or the, i'm, or it's been very interesting to watch that there is nothing changes in the

politics of late. how they relate to china, how they relate to the united states. do you think there's any interest in that in sacramento? do you think around can take it a bit further? i think, you know, have been so even before the current situation, i've been trying to improve relations with countries like saudi. we knew he because he does not consider them to be enemies. you don't enemies, enemies, the united states and countries back is so improving traditions with the saudis, and you're going to be import that and also, and you know, in our neighborhood you have to have extra relations with you. but as it was in, it's just a few days ago you reservations with countries like mod. excellent. you don't have good relations with iraq and artists and some other neighbors that you don't have. and relations with this countries depends on how much they want to follow us,

lee. i think my father and you have been historically kind of the united states. and as you said, as they realize that the us is climbing power, hopefully they develop more independent foreign policy. and if that happens, the united relation is going to is significant. well, let's keep our fingers. i trust that as well as what the rest of the world professor. it's been a great pleasure talking to you. thank you very much for this opportunity. thank you. thank you for watching hope to hear again well the part with . mm ah

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