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tv   Worlds Apart  RT  August 28, 2022 1:30pm-2:01pm EDT

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ah, with ah with mm ah, welcome to worlds apart and own russian saying hazard that once you have a reason finding a pretext is only a matter of time, including finding a pretext for war. the animal sitting between russia and the united states has been building for a number of years. in fact,
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one could argue that it never really disappeared, just diminished with the end of the cold war. how far can the current conflict over ukraine take it? and what does it mean for the rest of the world to discuss it, i'm now joined by what is id, professor of political communications at the university of tech, ron professors, that is great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. thank you for hiring. now, in one of your recent articles, you suggested that they said you political rivalry over your grade that the all i now observing in summer, even participating in just like the problem of iran. suppose it malicious nuclear tension is essentially an artificial problem. it was deliberately created by the americans to justify their intentional jewel political. you cannot make hostility towards those countries. does washington even need a pretext to do what it is that it's mind on doing?
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you know, when it comes to russia, i think they do because it's. busy not very easy to question russia when it comes to you. they can always threatened to take your case to the. ready un security council with russia having a veto power in the security cancer. that's not going to work out that you know, they use it on trying to make an easier ball with russia. russia has lots of nuclear bombs already, so that, that is not going to work with russia is so if you like, the states wants to fight russia and even want to do that. it's just that they need to find an excuse. and i think that is why they don't want the ukraine to finish, because if there is a settlement, then you are not going to be able to use ukraine to put pressure on russia. and
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that is why if you go back a few years ago, the united states did not want the misc agreements to go through because that's what that solve on the problems. and then ukraine would not have been able to be used as a stage to attack ratio. it will cost difficult, but the problem with that rationale is that the warning, the appraiser is putting pressure not only on russia but pretty much from the rest of the world. because we see that in the form of skyrocketing, we're going to fuel prices in many, many countries that have nothing to do with russia or ukraine on filling the pinch . now you've been pretty open about your use that you believe that these conflicting ukraine is changing their current world order, and that is pushing it towards a more multi polar arrangement. we're different powers are going to compete with each other. do you think that arrangements, whatever it's going to be,
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if you think it's going to be more or less violent than what we have at the moment? you know we are going to transition. we had the bipolar world or this is 2nd world war. you have united states and the soviet union, then after the end of soviet union, americans thought they're going to have it uni all our role with united, the 6 leaving that when this was about people like francis fukuyama talk to but in the history debate, i'm august scholars, there's what americans wanted to do was actually achieve there are some people who believe that americans never could establish. ringback really follow, that's how people who believed they did it for maybe 15 or 18. yes. from the follow the soviet union until 2007 or 2008. and so these are the based on that. but what
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you know now is that the world is moving toward the most high polar system. and during this transition, you're going to see more difficulties. so you'd like to see countries trying to find ways of improving the chances of actually being a greater power when the new world is that should be settled down now. but as i, as, as we move away from this western centers system or as the system continues to disintegrate, do you think they will ever be a moment when countries like, let's say iran, russia, been israel and other nations that have, have had the experience of being sanctioned for a prolonged period of time, do you think they they will come to a point of appreciating that experience because it made them more self sufficient?
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could it saves them some pain as the transition period continued because it's got this transition. i think that really is going to be painful for many members of the international system has been under sanction since 979 since the lucian is so used to sanctions and that experience of being on the sanctions and also continuing to live and continuing to prosper has done a lot in terms of building things that he needs sanctions. a lot of especially high tech devices. ringback are not able to be sent to you, don. so scientists in manufacturers manage to build a lot of things internally. instead of relying on outside sources. it's going to be
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more difficult to do that. but once you do that, then you're going to be self sufficient. that is why, for example, the military does not depend on the 10th from outside. they make all the things that they want internally. and that is going to be important, as you said, using this transition time, sanction to us fire policy to cause difficulties for countries that are not following us. and the more self sufficient, you are, the less those factions are going to help you. and the more cooperation you are seeing amongst sanctioned countries. so for example, we had a huge rush and the big issue in just a few days ago russia relations are going to be much more now since the common problems and common enemies. and i think the same thing is going to be
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true with other countries that the us feel they need to pressure pressure. now, you mentioned before that they, if we accept that the direct confrontation between russia and the west or russian, the united states was intentional, was just a matter of finding the right pretext. do you think all those ripple effects that the global economy is witnessing, or, and the american economies also with this thing, do you think that was sort of a factor then? because americans are now facing unprecedented inflation, which is adding to already preexisting social pensions and all of that will be crucial mid term elections. the vitamin administrations approval ratings are among bill always things in history. and do you think all of that was also, you know, part of the plan? you know, you may have heard that you need it. i feel the harmony has called the u. s. government, mafia, rashid, and been you study how the us government works. you realize that people
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interest the us citizens interest or the citizens of europe interest. other people's interest is not really the 1st by the 1st priority for american politicians is to get to the elective and they get elected by raising millions of dollars and oil companies. big manufacturers in the cities that benefit from was quite happy. you look at what they are doing in the u. s. a stock market in the last 3 months. and so that is going to be a priority, whether american people, the stuff or not, is going to be a concern, but it's going to be the 2nd, the consent of people like president biden and other people who are in the white
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house. and that is why causing the kind of situation and then they realize that not only people in the united states, but people in asia, in africa and other places are going to suffer. but american could care less about suffering of the people. but they care about that make an official, is basically benefiting the small the other gene that they're running and washing. but the purpose is that let me challenge you on this one because we both come from countries with a fairly large reserve war of resilience. you know, we've been exposed to hardship before, but the american population by and large, are used to living pretty comfortable lives and i have a lot of friends in the haven't they who are, who have been used to comfort. so who bought into all this ideological rhetoric about freedoms and how the american government,
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or the american society to american way of life is exceptional. but now when they have to pay what they have to pay the gas comp, i think they have receptions are changing very rapidly and you can easily see the other cause the pulls that the sort of the social attitude in the united states are changing. maybe not dramatically. yeah, but a lot of people actually questioning whether what they've been told by their sources is indeed supported by the reality. do you think it's still business as usual in the united states this time around? or do you think perhaps they may have been change in the collective, not in the literature, but in the way the collective decide to proceed. what leadership is doing. you know, that's a risk that us government took. they wanted to do this very much. if you look at folks, apple ran reports and the think thank in the united states. they published a report in 2019 years ago talking about this is the title of that
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report. they say, well, they're reaching and unbalanced in russia. so especially democrats in the united states after 2016 election, the early wanted to cause serious harm. russia, the country, russia, as a nation. and that's was a very important go. and the american officials, you know, they rely on the propaganda machine that the corporate media in the united states provide. so. ready and then by shutting down independent outlets that's not controlled by the media. us media like mike r t. so sitting content that is not in line, that is a foreign policy both. and then i'm sure you and your family prior to that,
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if you years price, because yes, the network was also essentially ostracized. them taking off international airways because it was broadcasting something that wasn't in line with the american mainstream. but i tell you, it took a couple of years for the u. s. good to go to that process. and they get to russia and outlets in a few days, but they did to couple of years. it took them just a few days to, to attack the russian media. so going back to your question, do this list that the american officials took that they taught that maybe the corporate media in the united states would justify all the harm that's going to be chaise by the american people. and to be honest with you, i don't know where there's this level of propaganda is going to actually work or
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not. you have a segment of the american population that is utilized. what the biden administration is doing is powerful to the united states as a country. and there's a segment that is basically following the propaganda said to them, i guess we will have to wait and see, but for the time being, let's take a very short break and we'll be back in just a few moments. patient me the the ah.
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so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms. race is often very dramatic, development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully, very critical time. time to sit down and talk ah ah, welcome back to well, the board with bob is id professor of political communications at the university of
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tech from professor before the break. we were talking about the risks that the, the biden administration took and trying to over expand and, and balances russia. and i think it was a saw an ancient greek story teller who warned about being capital for what one wishes for last it come true. i think it could be argued that the biden administration did that more to itself than to rush over funding and, and balancing. but anyway, do you think they may initiate more geopolitical flareups while in office, for example, in china or taiwan? or do you think they've got enough on that plate for the time being you know, americans are capable of doing all of the things that you mention. and i actually was quite surprised and i listened to 20 blankets, speech of what china just a few days ago. and there were people in the united states that are doing that. and
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china could play a role by counting russia and fight this edition. it's coming from the united states. and there were some people who are arguing that good policy, it with policy is actually causing difficulties between russia and china. and when i listen to lincoln, i realize that is. busy actually making a decision of putting pressure on china at the same time, i think russia, which is, i don't think it's a video my decision, but american officials are also not making my decisions in the past. and the result is that i think the chinese, the allies american succeed in this campaign against russia. china is going to be next. and that's very important. now, on the other hand, there was the situation with russia. we're afraid to more ample invoices there
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seems to be for the reduction of the iranian nuclear talk. they're in slow motion again. and while i understand what's in it with americans, after all, around the large oil producer, and we already mentioned be, you know, the discontent, american voters, when they come to the gas station, what i cannot understand is what the need for iran. why would your country need another agreement with americans that could be easily revolved by the previous administration by this, by this next administration. rather, that is why you have a need as a really cost this about him. is this american saying that you fool me once? shame on you for me twice, shane, shame on me. so they don't, you don't either, don't want to be sort of see the same problem again.
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like the american b rains are actually starting the years folklore and relying on some of the american fork wisdom. and you know, if you have some of those say, i don't know, my knowledge of russian is not that great. so i don't know if there's something similar to russian, but a, i expect, you know, this is, this is a very large something to do. and, you know, given that fact, if you on your lead is that competing with russia in the oil market is not going to be a good policy. i think the majority of it, i think that having some sort of cooperation with russia because this is what i can do. they want to push on to position that the russian government is not going to be sabotaged united russia relations. but i think he does utilize the fact that competing with russia and energy market is not going to
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be something good. because no matter what americans tell you the gender, the don't do what they say and they do other things. and this is the experience we have had the united states in the last 4 years. but the reason they talked surrounding the iranian nuclear, a problem have been going on for so long and various iteration that it's hard to understand what the center on for the time being uh they feel about. you're supposed intention to have a military application of your nuclear technology, or are they essentially about the amount of pain that then the west can legitimately subject iran to what, what is it the center of those you know, one called them major problem that we have is that based on the 2015 agreement, g,
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c, u, a, the united states and other members of the 5 plus one that they do not in till you are to national, that cannot make relations. and that was, that's what, that's what the was supposed to get. you done would get severe limitations and it's a peaceful new route. and the other side would stop sabotage and united economy internally or externally. and in reality, what happened was that they, they never followed that article of the agreement and then top left. so let me just clarify for our audience the agreement was signed, but be in practical terms. many of the international bank still refused to do business with randy and enterprise, so you never quite reap the rewards that were promised. they were on paper, but they never came to being materialized. that is a tool. and now what they want to do, what happened during the tough administration was that they put part of military
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under sanctions, the big, the called, the military, a terrorist vision which has never been done before. and then they put that part of us military under sanctions. and the aim was to sabotage whatever the next administration in the united states decided to do. this is what people like robert maggie was needing. the american team was saying at that time that the, the top administration is doing things to make. we go to j. c. p a very difficult now. 1 that these people are in power. it seems they want to continue the sanctions that created this addiction to sanctions that you see people in the white house have and they want to continue with that addiction. they want
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a chief that's sanctioned. the problem that is that this gives them a tool to basically sanction anybody in iran as the english because they can just say that this person is linked to the military. and then that's, that's how the sanction that person. so by keeping the military under sanctions, they want to actually have a role of not doing what they're supposed to do under the agreement. and that's what you'd be. there's a very cautious thought to what's going on. now speaking about their reading liter, if you already mentioned the speech that i had told him he gave a couple of weeks ago in which he talked about the need for the muslim world. and specifically, iran not to be sidelined as the world moves or tries to take in you shape not to by line. does many muslim countries were after the 2nd world war when the current system was,
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was forming. how do you think the muslim world or the my which lets me there's also divided across national terry and political lines. how do you think it could bring its weight to bear on international politics? i think what you have decided and you're hoping that other muslim countries do the same is to actually have alliances and networks with countries. natalie, this thing us him and answers my question in china and so the cultures are different religions, a different cultural backgrounds are different and but this is common threat to humanity in washington and us policies are causing lots of difficulties for all the native people are on the wall and so this is the hope that we have that countries that realize that
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countries that have the option of not full following us need, you know, that there's some continued under us pressure. we have in this part of the world. the. 2 have countries that have us spaces inside, inside the country. it's difficult for them to make independent fire policy decisions. but for countries that are relatively less dependent on the united states, the hope is that having network and the coalition of the country is going to resist that pressure that's coming from the united states and developing discussion of incidence. that's why a lot of people admire what the russia is doing now, because bush and neither ship finally decided to say no to the aggressive policies that was coming from from the best that needs to be have that needs to be that
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needs to continue. and then our job in, in countries outside russia is actually to join forces to make sure that us him when he is going to. and so let that happen, professor, is that correct me? if i'm wrong, i don't think any country can afford to take such a rebel is stands for cultural or your political reasons. but what i'm also seeing over the last couple of months is that many of the old rival resort i'm, if you said being rephrase that many historical grievances between countries, let's say india and china or russia and turkey, iran and some of the goals phase. but i think these rapid changes in the international system that they've been discussing through the program today. of course, in many of the countries to sort of think outside the box. do you think that also happen closer to your home? do you think that could be any recreational between the sunni and the sheer world to that would be that great,
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that's worth making the muslim world and it's waived on. busy international politics. so you know, you don't have been trying to do that since then 1979. stomach revolution, you know, has been supporting palestinian that you know, and suddenly muslims, and you don't actually think a lot of the high price of supporting palestinians, especially with military technology. so they can defend themselves against this radio call. it's been awaiting international politics. it's a, it's a very painful issue, but that influence is not that big. if we take, let's say the golf monarch is like the saudi arabia or the amorous has been very interesting to watch that the subtle changes in the politics of late, how they relate to china, how they relate to the united states. do you think there's any interest in that in tech rama? do you think around can take it a bit further? i think, you know, have been so even before the current situation. i've been trying to improve
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relations. countries like saudi lee, because he does not consider them to be enemies, enemies, enemies, the united states and countries that gives it. so, improving traditions with the saudis, and you're going to be important. and also, as you know, in our neighborhood, you have to have extra relations with you. but as it was in, it's just a few days ago you reservations with countries like mod. excellent. you don't have good relations with countries, but rock in august and the funding and other neighbors that you don't have. and relations with this country is, depends on how much the well to hollow us. li, mcfadden and you eat, have been historically clients of the united states. and as you said, as they realize that the us is climbing power, hopefully they develop more independent foreign policy. and if that happens,
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the united relation to this country is significant. well, let's keep our fingers up for that as well as what the rest of their worlds professor. it's been a great pleasure talking to thank you very much for this. thank you and thank you for watching hope to hear it again for the. busy the parts ah me me ah, ah, ah,
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