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hello and welcome to cross top where all things considered. i'm peter lavelle. the collective west face is economic disaster, high debt, escalating inflation, diminished competitiveness, and a very serious energy crisis. much of this, if not all of this have been self inflicted, but the worst crisis, the west spaces, is the crisis of legitimacy and the failure of neo liberalism. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george m u l e. in budapest, he's a podcast, read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals in america. we crossed to martin jay, he's an award winning journalist, and commentator, or a gentleman crossed out rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want . and i would appreciate it, right, start out with george in budapest. what do you think of my introduction? georgia now overdue, and m r m m m,

i prone to hyperbole here. but again that i stress all the right points that you did. it's a very succinct summary of where we are. i mean, when we think of legitimacy, what do we really mean? we mean political ruling elite that can actually deliver what their voters in a democracy of what you know, what they're populous generally once, which is peace, prosperity, and that the minimum security for food on the table and the protection from the elements. now the leaders of the west of signally failed to provide any of those things that they have got themselves involved unnecessarily in a war in which the west coast no discernable interest. and, and they have done so full of bizarre, obscure, illogical reasons that they have failed to articulate when they talk about

a new world order, the liberal world, or the rules based on that. not only resonates with the voters because they are rightly don't understand what any of these terms mean. and so, as we had towards firing economic crisis with written will soon have a inflation rate of 11 percent, germany 8 percent. where a few years ago, the idea of even one percent inflation from the germans, man, my god, it was on his way back and, and then the united states is clearly heading towards the speculation. so it really is a question of why have the ruling in lease lead their countries into this disaster disaster own choosing was another natural disaster of their own choosing. it learned everything that you, i said it's completely obvious to all of us. but when we are asked, you know,

how do you going to address these issues? and we're, we're, we hear the response. we're going to, we're going to back ukrainians as long as it takes, i mean, but that doesn't answer the question again. and it's really quite insulting, because decision makers, leadership in the west, they are there, they don't, they are not, they don't have to deal with the consequences of their own decision. i've always said, i doubt any of these leaders in europe in north america. have a clue, would have a local bread cost. they don't know what cost or at least gasoline or, or even a bunch of big costs. that's not really concerned. they're not attached to that economy, but it's very disturbing. what you summarize about this mentioned we keep hearing from the west that ukraine must fight to the last man. you know, my god, how incredibly paternalistic these people think they are. but when you look at the actual human collateral, you know how much value does the west put on one ukraine?

life would say nothing really a tool. it's almost as though the ideas and the human rights. we've been airbrushed of the whole equation. now george talks about, you know, well this is what we're heading and why we have got this from the west indies, this new rush. now this new we keep hearing about so called reset button. you know, what is the reset button? i don't know what it is, you know, and i don't think they know what it is, but i think what the western lease have been doing for very long time. certainly in my life, is making this transition from being in power and the governing. i'm touching problems head on to should not dealing with problems a tool, but simply make themselves look busy as if to get this idea there represent the interests of people who actually believe in, you know, the new world or based on, on free speech. libertarian values on human rights, etc. all that, all that nonsense, which we've been presented to for so long as being the,

the foundations of western democracy. which in reality is really the, isn't really the true true, true story. i think what's happening now to, to explain what george touched on is i think a certain sense of panic. panic is setting in the western college. they don't know where they're going. that terrified of debate, debate is like the age of, of the new environment. we don't want people actually talking, and this is why i'm horrified to get onto my laptop every morning and look at my twitter timeline and discover one more western jan. this being charged by their own traditional systems is a particular lady and jeremy now who's report to us. she has faced a legal case in her absence and she's got this, this trial against. so we'll just reporting reporting the truth and wasn't the least don't really like. the truth is, as a commodity, they have control of the so called truth or seem truth so long. now, i think a panic is set again and i think that is linked to ukraine. i think the panic is

very much, you know, that they need to be more and more creative to support the what i call the super release. you know, we keep looking at the lease. we tend to think of the leads of people like to about it all, or johnson or emmanuel micron, but they're really the puppets. really, this will dispose of the release, the real leads, people who control equities and the stop markets, the banks, a major military industrial complex, and even hollywood, this is a really real palace, the control people like to buy them. and we've been living under this pretense for so long in the west, particularly america, that hey, it's okay. we have real democracy because we don't lecture, but we can switch him out. well, put him out. replacing with with was with whom, you know, another muppet wearing a cheap suit representing those beliefs. so i think to answer the question and to talk to what churches, i think we're witnessing the state of panic from super niche now. and ukraine is

part of the whole process of immature isn't ukraine. the deflection, because of the panic that we've been, martin is just talked about. i mean, they problems are easily recognized. but in when you live in their ideological bubble, they don't have any answers. they don't have any tools. ok that's, that's the problem they have. and the problem is, is they only talk to themselves and what our problems are. they either don't recognize or could care less because our concerns are not their concerns. and they are. busy more they were more important because they have the power george? yes, the, there's no question of that. and then we can see this even in the coverage in the media of the downfall of forest johnson in which the media obsess. you know, the devote hours and hours of coverage to all the gossip and trivia who said warm and who you what about and when, and none of it has any relevance. i mean,

you just look at a, who cares when any, that way it will, britain facing 11 percent inflation when people are unable to afford the gas and electricity bills. and when you have essentially months of the month of negative growth, economy is stagnating. these are the issues that are roiling burton, and it's going to get even worse. we as, as we head into the windsor and it was a panic, is also sitting in is that the rest of the world isn't buying what the west is selling. and you know, whether it's india or china, they aren't interested in any of this liberal, illogical claptrap that blinkin and biden deliver hold some great struggle going on in the world when democracy or terrorism. there is no idea

what lincoln is talking about. i have no idea i was with you and you know, the leaders of indian leaders of china. they've seen the national interest, you know, because they pose you, there, civilizational interest and russia, that's the same. they understand russia point of view. they understand what russia is doing, but they have no understanding of what exactly the west is doing, what, what exactly the west is seeking to achieve in ukraine. in fact, when we ask that question, what exactly is the west seeking to achieve a new credit? it's impossible to us that we're just going to go on, you know what i was, and then once we, you know, zalinski will get and we're just going to keep fighting. and we're going to wait. we're going to try to put the russians as much as possible. well, with a view to want, i mean, really where, where does this go? since you are no hope of winning and you have no hope of bringing the russian economy to sneeze. so the west is engaged in

a war that the rest of the world has no interest and doesn't understand what the west is doing or is johnson was brought up because it got, you know, correct me if i'm wrong. but he was headed to the conservative party, but in the last waning days of this agony or his premiership, he was talking about cops and masculinity and there glasgow numbers like but we need to be more feminine. what i think voters didn't expect that from a conservative leader. maybe i'm wrong. no, because he was all in respect of. he came from that classic conservative background deleted being and each and not many people in britain even know that johnson isn't really even english. he's russian, greek, turkish and french rolled into one. so he's an old character, but he played up very much the lift. and i think that's because really, if you look at the winning blow of his last election,

where he had almost the landside was, was the huge contingent of old labor voters voted for him. the cross that line, you know, because they wanted to get it done. the tories want to have the next time around the next election they want to play. but the story about joseph is really interesting. we're going to need to some because johnson is a product of the whole liters and sheen in the u. k. and the reason why he had to be pulled out the reason why there was just minor coup d'etat in england was because the conservative party realized it wasn't playing by the rules. rules of keeping this pretense going, that we have a further democracy in the u. k. and that we really believe in freedom speech and human rights and all this, you know, he was going off the rails, he was going away from the plantation plantations, american say, and panic conserves as well. well, if you carried on doing that, it doesn't matter about the scandals that you keep on. but if you carry on doing it, people will start realize, actually this isn't

a functioning democracy anymore. and then there was a facade here, you know, where super leach in our country take the big decisions. and, you know, and i think a big part of george mentioned the, the, the unintended consequence of countries no longer buying a product that probably wasn't factored in to taking on russia in the u. k. you know, the fact that you have this acceleration now, the bricks, countries you have this amalgamation of russia, india, china together looking to see how can we put around markets, you know, forget about the west. you know, let's look to forward. that's really exciting, but i'm sure the super leads of these western countries didn't factor in what they were thinking about. i think it's 2 fundamental things. first of all, how can we create a monumental distraction tool of our policies in the west, you know, create a war somewhere. that's a brilliant way of just hurting all your unless, you know, taking them away. you said you have 2 points here. you said one,

i'm going to go to a quick break about that quick break. we'll get to get your number 230 ah. with welcome to cross stock, were all things are considered? i'm peter labelle. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah, learn, go back to you america. sure. you mentioned your 1st point. what is your 2nd go

ahead. the 2nd point is to see what corruption and corruption always plays a big role. i'm when they leave start to fail when they start to lose the grip on the countries that are controlling the super leads in western europe. i think our son to panic and i think they're starting to worry that they will not be able to support themselves. and the longer term, how do you have you insure against that? you know, how do you back up your how do you create a backup plan? against that, you take 40 or $50000000000.00 on the table and you push it across the table to your buddy is in an industrial miniature complex. you said you guys just take that, that should keep it going for a while now. and by the way, there's more to come, you know, to, you know, you have these huge rounds which in european union and america about illegal state aid. the want to war comes, well there's like a little girl, the window you give as much money as you want to your own company. so i am raphael of lockheed martin. even worse,

give huge sums of money to one of the most corrupt countries in the world. which before february 24th of this year, it was well known ukraine was a very correctly i want to change gears a little bit. george, it's very interesting to me. we had a number of con, fab's. we had, you know, brussels, you know, the use always in permanent, a meeting, and we had the g 7, we had nato. but the most important meeting was the g. 20, which the u. s. and it's a g 7. now, ice armor basically disrupted and made it into a non event. they obstructed it. the reasons that you and martin have already talked about here is that they want the, the g 7 element of the g 20. if i can put it that way, they want to make sure their agenda is pursued and everybody are saying, no, we're not on board. i mean, you don't want to solve the world's problems that you actually have created your sanctions, your secondary sanctions. we don't want to be part of that. we want to solve

problems. we all know about growing of food insecurity, sanctions and secondary sanctions. and again, obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, i would pause and george the, the global south is no longer with number one, not interested in what the west asked to say, but more importantly, it doesn't fear it any more. go ahead, george. good, excellent point it with so problems aspect of it is very interesting because as you say, the g 7 crowd, they attended and they wanted to make it all about russia and. ready not to come up with any kinds of solutions, which is what the alice said. okay, well let's you know him, we all are. let's see if we can discuss this and come up with a plan to resolve this problem. no, no, no, we just want to make the symbolic gestures, which is that i will not meet sir kayla wrong. i will not shake his dirty hand and

i will not close in a collective photograph afterwards and i will not take part in any joint communicate. so how does that solve the problem? how do we move forward from that? and then i think is really beginning to define the difference between the west and the rest of the world because the rest does thing. ok, well we've, we've set up these organizations or how do we try to resolve problems? and i think there really is something to do. i really love wrong. emphasizes this all the time, which is when we set up these organizations, whether it breaks the shanghai cooperation, organizational the c s t o r or the, the, the asian, the economic area we're doing with a view to solving problems. we don't do it in order to direct and again, someone else say right now we're all together. you know, let's see how much we can hate the other. but as far as the ways this doesn't always ideologically driven, the, they get together, the g 7 get together and they, so the

e u a shake their fist at either russia or china, or anyone else who's not on board with the other west agenda. so i mean, this is more becoming to have an angry uncle. everyone is having to just ignore that. you know, what do they have to say to us? i was thinking, characterization angry uncle, but i think the west is the global care it right. is like, oh, there they go and they're going out the handle, you know, they're very rational. you don't talk, never say calm down because that makes them really more angry here. but it's very good martin, you know, i'm looking at in the west. they don't give a whole lot of coverage because they're, you know, they're not up in front and center and they will be in 2008. the g 20, i would say, did play a positive role. least getting a global consensus to deal with the economic crisis that the time. but that's sort of the purposes of the west. economic crisis came out of the west. ok. and then you

know, we have this situation meeting this year. and the west doesn't want to participate in having global solutions get maybe you don't like what's going on in ukraine, but i think everybody's been so we don't want to have family in africa. i mean, i think it shows the lock maturity coming from the west because it's ideologically possess. yeah, it's, i'd love to be possessed with his own narrative, which i think is straight to the fraud. you know, they're, they're, they're obsessed with having their own agenda in their own a role. but it's interesting on the role of africa, it could be critical in an end game in ukraine because what's going to happen the next few weeks a couple months is that some of these are countries in africa are suffering. and the 1st person they're going to turn to the 1st institution, they will turn to europe in unit brussels, which has been bang on a trauma so long about, you know, we can help you with trade in a, you can reform with human rights. there was a conference very recently in brussels with all the heads of african states. and the message from the africans will untied you preaching to us about human rights.

you know what we want much more european union. what's happening is the old relationships between low these african countries i'm the cleaning of masters is pulling up just recently, last few days. the french pulled out their last troops from molly, which was an absolute catastrophe for macro, you know, to, to fly the, for the french flag and molly, and to dish out the moral tutelage about human rights and fighting terrorism. when in reality, all that was bullshit, actually the french will protect so big contracts for huge french multi nationals and to protect french citizens were working for them, the parenthesis to that was the money. and we're hoping that we could get some kind of deal with the french, whereby they would protect us if we have some civil political uprising now. the old deal with colonial powers will the unwritten jail was what will help you with that? you know, for most of the sixties and seventies and eighties, but that's over now. you know, we can't do that anymore just as the, the saudis, and most of the gc state is discovered junior spring when they look to the

americans. when they start to get worried about the school incentives see, you know, that's why these countries are looking more and more to russia because we've lost more was hugely that moral high ground, you know, in the west we don't have that influences anymore. so, you know, the role of africans is going to be very interesting if they decide they've had enough of this relationship, this nonsense. and they turn to the former clean power. it's brittany from to say, you need to help us out. we need hundreds of millions of dollars now and food day and people in britain or from say, well actually that's quite difficult because we've got people here. the actually starving lines of food banks are getting longer and longer gasoline is getting out of control in britain, people are actually leaving the jobs because they can't afford to drive to work. that is how crazy it is. you know, there is going to be a tipping point, a certain point where the europe is going to say to the africans, i'm sorry, we can't help when that happens. everything changes. because what, where did the african shot? they turn to russia?

that such an interesting point, georgia was already mentioned, or i think martin mentioned earlier, ok the fall of forest johnson. ok. i'm in the british press. it was, it was just kind of a national enquirer stuff, you know, who said was, who was at that party, which is why should any of us care about it? he's gone now. joe biden is going to get us so shall, lacking in november in some, you know, there'll be a new speaker of the house in all these things here. but george and martin year things are not going to change. okay. and this is what the panic that i think martin quite happily is mentioned here because none of these people have any solutions to these problems. you know, you want to change people on a chess board and things like that. but it's not fundamentally because neo liberalism is the problem and this political class. so i think the panic. is this going to continue and continue? because the status quo simply is not tenable. yes, absolutely. right. i mean, you have one of the leading candidates to take over from bars. johnson is richie

soon act was a billionaire hedge fund manager investment banker. ok, well we know, you know where, what his agenda is. and we've seen the in the united states recently, we had mike from delivering an important address of the hudson institute, which is as belligerent, if not more belligerent than the biden administration. if in fact, he's allowing visiting war with russia and china at the same time. and so, and he's at the very least a candidate to be vice president. do you know whoever is the republican nominee? so we don't have a system in which some of the new leader could have much to say. we're going completely wrong. i mean, look at germany and i, all actual social democrats are doing or any dismal. ok,

but the people whose number one, number 2 christian democrats in the greece, they're more belligerent and short is, i mean then bad beef with shoals is that he's not doing enough for your brain. and again, we have the case of the united states. it's quite possible that donald trump will return to power in 2025, but trump will be in the same position as he was in 2017. i mean, if you really tries to affect some major change in u. s. foreign policy that, you know, the deep state or whatever you call it is going to come off. i mean, you know, they will, they've already got the plan in place as to what it will be that we some very, and he's working for, you know, he's, he's got a plan to destroy the west and whatever. we can be sure that there's a plan already in place to destroy him before he becomes president to be the 3rd impeachment trial. you know that? yes. know that. ok, absolutely. you brought up democracy here. what i think,

what i'm really quite pathetic because they like to mount the word democracy, but they don't want any real democracy to be in play because their priorities, the average citizen has no idea as we point. i'm going to have no idea why you say this is important for me because it's not ok and they always can find the limit that the overton window is that we're about what you can actually talk about. because if you're not talking about their priorities, then somehow and we've gotten to this in 2022, you're unpatriotic, you're a toady of someone. you're misinformation are all right, and go ahead. yeah, i agree. and that's the whole point about debating is it's, it's, it's any kind of any kind of debate. it's been shut down, good team and i used to get smidge, get sued, or taking the course if you even want to look at new ideas and ask, you know, what's the bigger picture? it's worth. i think it's really worrying that we've come to the stage. what worries me more is that some of these countries are going to include politically. we don't

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