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the collective west face is economic disaster, high debt escalating lation, diminished competitiveness and a very serious energy crisis. much of this, if not all of this have been self inflicted, but the worst crisis, the west spaces is the crisis of legitimacy and the failure of neal liberalism. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george honeywell in budapest. he's a podcast, read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and america recross 2 martin jay. he's an award winning journalist and commentator, or a gentleman crossed out rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i would appreciate it. right. start out with george in budapest. what do you think of my introduction? georgia now overdue it. i mean i'm, i'm, am i prone to hyperbole here. but again,

that i stress all the right points that you did. it's a very succinct summary of where we are. i mean, when we think of legitimacy, what do we really mean? we mean political ruling elite that can actually deliver what their voters in a democracy, what you know, what their populace generally once, which is peace, prosperity, and at the minimum security for food on the table and the protection from the elements. now the leaders of the west of signally failed to provide any of those things that they have got themselves involved unnecessarily in a war, in which to with no discernible interest. and they have done so full kind of bizarre, of skill, illogical reasons that they have failed to articulate when they talk about a new world order, the liberal. well, the old as a rule based on that,

not only resonates with the voters because they are rightly don't understand what any of these terms mean. and so as we had towards firing economic crisis, we're talking about written will soon have a inflation rate of 11 percent, germany 8 percent. where a few years ago, the idea of even one percent inflation from the germans. man, my god, it was on his way back and, and then the united states is clearly heading towards the speculation. so it really is a question of why have the ruling in lease lead their countries into this disaster . disaster own choosing was another natural disaster of their own choosing margin. everything the george said, it's completely obvious to all of us. but when we're asked, you know, how do you going to address these issues? and when we hear the response, we're going to back ukrainians as long as it takes,

i mean, but that does it answer the question again. and it's really quite insulting, because decision makers, leadership in the west, they're there, they don't, they're not that they don't have to deal with the consequences of their own decision. i've always said, i doubt any of these leaders in europe in north america. have a clue, would have a local broadcast, a very close or a lease regressing, or even the point of view cost. that's not really concerned. i'm not attached to that economy, but it's very disturbing. what you summarize about this month and we keep hearing from the west that some ukraine must fight to the last man. you know, my god, how incredibly paternalistic these people think they are, that, that if, when you look at the actual human collateral, you know how much value does the west put on one ukraine life? i would say nothing really a tool. it's almost of. busy their ideas and their human rights who live in air

brushed. now the whole equation. now george talks about, you know, well this is all heading and why we have got this from the western leaves, this new rationale on this new. we keep hearing about the so called reset button. you know, what is the reset button? i don't know what it is, you know is i, i don't think i know what it is, but i think what the western lease have been doing for very long time. certainly in my life time is making this transition from being power and the governing and touching problems. head on to actually know dealing with problems a tool, but simply make themselves look busy. as if to get this idea, they represented the interests of people who actually believe in, you know, the new world order based on, on free speech, on libertarian. ready values on human rights, etc. all that nonsense, which we've been presented to for so long as being the, the foundations of western democracy. which in reality isn't really that isn't

really the true true true story. i think what's happening middle to, to explain what george touched on is i think a certain sense of panic. panic is sitting in the western leash. they don't know where they're going. that terrifies of debate. debate is like the age of, of the new environment. we don't want people actually talking, and this is why i'm horrified to get onto my laptop every morning and look at my twitter timeline and discover one more western jan. this being charged by the judiciary assistance is a particular lady in germany. now he's report to us, she has faced a legal absence and she's got this, this trial against we'll just reporting reporting the truth wasn't the least. don't really like the truth that's come up as a commodity. they've control the so called truth or seem truth to so long now. but i think a panic is set again and i think that is linked to ukraine. i think it's very much,

you know, that they need to be more and more creative to support the what i call the super release. we keep looking at the lease. we tend to think of the leads of people like to about and or johnson or emmanuel micron. but there is a puppet really, this will dispose of the release, the real leads, a people who control equities and stop markets, the banks major military industrial complex, and even hollywood. this is a really real palace, the control people like to buy them and we've been living under this good sense for so long in the west, particularly america. that is okay. we have real democracy because we don't much about and we can switch them out. well, for the amount repletion with was with whom, you know, another muffet wearing a cheap suit representing those super leafs. so i think to answer the question and to talk to you about what church is, i think we're witnessing the state of panic from super kids. now and ukraine is part of that whole process of immature isn't ukraine. the deflection because of the

panic that we've been, martin is just talked about. i mean, they problems are easily recognized. but in when you live in their ideological bubble, they don't have any answers. they don't have any tools. ok that's, that's the problem they have. and the problem is, is they only talk to themselves and what our problems are. they either don't recognize or could care less because our concerns are not their concerns and they are more. busy they were more important because they have the power, george. yes. so there's no question of that. and then we can see this even in the coverage in the media of the downfall of boris johnson in which. 1 media obsess, you know, the devote hours and hours of coverage to all the gossip and trivia who said woman, who you, what about and when, and none of it has any rounds. i mean, you just look at a who can run any that way. it will britain facing 11

percent inflation when people are unable to afford the gas and electricity bills. and when you have essentially months of the month of negative growth, economy is stagnating. these are the issues that are roiling burton, and it's going to get even worse. we as, as we head into the windsor and it was a panic, is also sitting in the rest of the world isn't buying what the west is selling and you know, whether it's india or china. they aren't interested in any of this liberal, illogical claptrap that blinking. and by little that there's some great struggle going on in the world when democracy in return is. and there's no idea what lincoln is talking about. i have no idea i was

with, you know, the leaders of indian leaders of china. they've been to the national interest, you know, because they pose you, this civilizational interest and ross of us the same. they understand russia point of view. they understand what russia is doing, but they have no understanding of what exactly the west is doing, what, what exactly the west is seeking to achieve in your brain. in fact, when we asked that question, what exactly is the west seeking to achieve a new credit? it's impossible to us, so we're just going to go on, you know, whatever lensky once we, you know, zalinski will get. and we're just going to keep fighting, and we're going to wait. we are trying to rush as much as possible. well, with you to want. i mean, where, where does this go? since you have no hope of winning and you have no hope of bringing the russian economy to sneeze. so the west is engaged in a war that the rest of the world as no interest and doesn't understand what the

west is doing or is johnson was brought up because it can correct me if i'm wrong, but he was headed to the conservative party. but in the last waning days of this agony of his premiership, he was talking about cox. it masculinity and the glasgow. are you talking about? we need to be more feminine. what i think voters didn't expect that from a conservative leader. maybe i'm wrong because he, he was a bit old in the respect that he came from a classic conservative background. the elite ism of being eaten. not many people in brittany, even know the jo, some isn't really even english. these russian, greek, turkish, and french all rolled into one. so he's an old character, but he played up very much the lift. and i think that's because really, if you look at the winning blow of his last election, where he had almost the landside was, was the huge contingent of old labor voters,

the voted for him, the cross that line, you know, because they wanted to get it done the tories want to have the next time around the next election they want to play. but the story about joseph is really interesting. we're going to need to some because johnston is a product of the whole liters and sheen in the u. k. and the reason why he had to be pulled out the reason why there was just minor candidates in england was because the conservative party realized it wasn't playing by the rules. the rules of keeping this pretense going that we have a further democracy in the u. k. and that we really believe in freedom of speech and human rights and on august, you know, he was going off the rails, he was going away from the plantation plantations. american. ready and panic conserved as well. well, if you carried on doing that, it doesn't matter about the scandals that he problem. but if you carry on doing it, people will start realize, actually this isn't a functioning democracy anymore. and then there was a facade here, you know,

where super leach in our country to pick decisions. and, you know, and i think a big part of george mentioned the, the, the unintended consequence of countries no longer buying a product that probably wasn't factored in to taking on russia in the u. k. you know, the fact that you have this acceleration now of bricks, countries you have this amalgamation of russia, india, china, together looking to see how can we put around markets, you know, forget about the west. you know, let's look to forward. exciting, but i'm sure the super leads of these western countries didn't touch that in what they were thinking about. i think it was 2 fundamental things. first of all, how can we create a monumental distraction to all of our fil policies in the west? you know, create a war somewhere that's a burning. why? just hurrying all your journalists, you know, taking them. all right. you said you have 2 points here. you said one. we're going to go to a quick break about that quick break. we'll get to get your number 230. ah ah,

[000:00:00;00] ah . ah, welcome to cross stock. we're all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah martin, going to back to you america? sure. you mentioned your 1st point, what is your 2nd go ahead. the 2nd point is the see were corruption. and corruption always plays a big role. i'm when they leave start to fail when they start to lose the grip on

the countries that are controlling the super leads in western europe. i think our son to panic and i think they're starting to worry that they will not be able to support themselves in the longer term. how do you have you insure against that? you know, how do you back up your how do you create a backup plan? against that, you take 40 or $50000000000.00 on the table and you push it across the table to your buddy is in an industrial miniature complex. you sent a you guys just take that, that should keep it going for a while now. and by the way, it is more to come, you know, so, you know, you have these huge rounds which in european union and america about illegal state aid went to war comes, well, there's a little girl, the window you give as much money as you want to your own company. so raphael lockheed martin even worse, give huge sums of money to one of the most corrupt countries in the world, which before february 24th of this year, it was well known ukraine was everything correctly. i want to change gears

a little bit. george, it's very interesting to me. we had a number of contacts. we had, you know, brussels, you know, the use always in permanent, a meeting. and we had the g 7 the we had nato. but the most important meeting was the g. 20, which the u. s. a g 7 now ice armor basically disrupted and made it into a non event that they obstructed it for reasons that you and martin of already talked about here is that they want the the g 7 element of the g 20. if i can put it that way, they want to make sure their agenda is pursued and everybody else saying, no, we're not on board. i mean, you don't want to solve the world's problems that you actually have created your sanctions, your secondary sanctions. we don't want to be part of that. we want to solve problems. we all know about growing of food insecurity. sanctions in secondary sanctions and again, obstruction, obstruction, obstruction,

i would pause and george the, the global south is no longer with number one, not interested in what the west asked to say, but more importantly, it doesn't fear it anymore. go ahead, george. this is x excellent point it with so problems aspect of it is very interesting because as you say, the g 7 crowd, they attended and they wanted to make it all about russia and not to come up with any kinds of solutions, which is what the others said okay, well let's you know, here we all. 1 ok, let's see if we can discuss this and come up with a plan to resolve this problem. no, no, no. we just want to make the symbolic gestures, which is that i will not meet sir kayla wrong. i will not shake his dirty hand and i will not close in a collective photograph afterwards, and i will not take part in any joint communicate. so how does that solve the problem? how do we move forward from that?

and then i think is really beginning to define the difference between the west and the rest of the world because the rest of the work does thing. ok, well we've, we've set up these organizations and how do we try to resolve problems? and i think it really is something to do. i really love wrong emphasizes this all the time, which is when we set up these organizations, whether it breaks the shanghai cooperation, organizational the c s t o r or the, the, the asian, the economic area we're doing with a view to solving problems. we don't do it in order to direct and again, someone else say right now we're all together. you know, let's see how much we can hate the other. but as far as the way this doesn't always, gideon logically driven the, they get together, the g 7 get together and nato and the e. u envoy is to shake their fist at either russia or china or anyone else who's not on board with the other west agenda. so, i mean,

this is more becoming a kind of an angry uncle. anyway, he's having to just ignore that. you know, what do they have to say to us? i was thinking, characterization angry uncle, but i think the west is the global care. it right now is like, oh, there they go. and they're going out the handle, you know, they're very rational. you know, don't talk, never say calm down because that makes them really more angry here. but it's very good martin, you know, i'm looking at in the west. they don't give a whole lot of coverage because they're, you know, they're not up front and center. and they will be in 2008. the g 20, i would say, did play a positive role. least getting a global consensus to deal with the economic crisis at the time. but that's sort of the purposes of the west. economic crisis came out of the west. ok. and then, you know, we have this situation meeting this year and the west doesn't want to participate in having global solutions get maybe you don't like what's going on in ukraine,

but i think everybody's been so we don't want to have famine in africa. i mean, i think it shows the lock maturity coming from the west because it's ideologically possess. yeah, it's, i'd love to be possessed with his own narrative, which i think is straight to the fraud. you know, they're, they're, they're obsessed with having their own agenda on their own. a role. but it's interesting on the role of africa could be critical in an end game in ukraine because what's gonna happen the next few weeks, a couple of months? is it, some of these are countries in africa are suffering, and the 1st person they're going to turn to a certain situation. they return to your opinion in brussels, which has been bang on a trauma so long now about, you know, we can help you with trade and a, you could reform with human rights. there was a conference very recently in brussels, with all the heads of african states. and the message from the africans were, are sick and tired of you preaching to us about human rights. you know what, we want much more european union. what's happening is the old relationships between the law is african countries. i'm the cleaning of masters is falling apart. just

recently, last few days. the french pulled out their last troops for monday, which was an absolute catastrophe for macro, you know, to, to fly the, for the french flag and molly, and to dish out the moral tutelage about human rights and fighting terrorism. when in reality, all that was bullshit, actually the french will protect big contracts for huge french multi nationals and to protect french citizens were working for them, the parenthesis to that was the margins were hoping that we could get some kind of deal with the french whereby they would protect us if we had some civil political uprising now. the old deal with colonial powers will the unwritten deal was what will help you with, you know, for most of the sixties and seventies and eighties, but that's over now. you know, we can't do that anymore just to see the saudis, and most of the state is discover junior spring when they look to the americans. when they start to get worried about political incentives. see, you know, that's why these companies are looking more and more to russia because we've lost more was huge list that moral high ground, you know,

in the west we don't out that influences anymore. so, you know, the role of africans is going to be very interesting if they decide they've had enough of this relationship, this nonsense. and they turn to the former clean power britney from to say you need to help us out. we need hundreds of millions of dollars now and food date and people in britain or from say, well actually that's quite difficult because we've got people here. the actually starving lines of food banks are getting longer and longer gasoline is getting out of control in britain, people are actually leaving the jobs because they can't afford to drive to work. that is how crazy it is. you know, there is going to be a tipping point at a certain point where the europe is going to say to the africans, i'm sorry, we can't help when that happens. everything changes. because what, where did the african chum they turn to russia? that's such an interesting point. georgia was already mentioned, and i think martin mentioned earlier, ok the fall of forest johnson. ok. in the british press, it was,

it was just kind of a national enquirer stuff, you know, who said what, who was at that party, which is, why should any of us care about it? he's gone now. joe biden is going to get us so shall, lacking in november in some, you know, there'll be a new speaker of the house in all these things here. but george and martin year things are not going to change. okay. and this is what the panic that i think martin quite happily is mentioned here because none of these people have any solutions to these problems. you know, you want to change people on a chess board and things like that. but it's not fundamentally because neo liberalism is the problem in this political class. so i think the panic. is this going to continue and continue? because the status quo simply is not tenable. yes, absolutely. right. i mean, you have one of the leading candidates to take over from bars. johnson is richie soon act was a billionaire hedge fund manager investment banker. how well we know,

you know where what his agenda is. and we've seen the in the united states recently, we had mike from delivering an important address of the hudson institute, which is as belligerent, if not more belligerent than the bite on administration. if, in fact, is in visiting war with russia and china at the same time. and so, and one is at the very least a candidate to be vice president. do you know whoever is the republican nominee? so we don't have a system in which somebody new leader could emerge to say, we're going completely wrong. i mean, look at germany and i, all actual social democrats are on this move on. but the people whose number one, number 2 christian democrats in the greece, them all religion shortens. i mean, then bad beef with shoals is that he's not doing enough for ukraine. and again,

we have the case of the united states. it's quite possible that donald trump will return to power in 2025, but truck will be in the same position as he was in 2017. i mean, if you really tries to affect some major change in u. s. foreign policy. that you know, the deep state or whatever you call it is going to come off. i mean, you know, they will, they already got the plan in place as to what it will be that we some very, and he's working for, you know, he's, he's got a plan to destroy the west and whatever. we can be sure that there's a plan already in place to destroy him before he becomes president to be the 3rd impeachment trial. you know that? yes. know that. ok, absolutely. you know you brought up democracy here. what i think, what i'm really quite pathetic because they like to mount the word democracy, but they don't want any real democracy to be in play because their priorities,

the average citizen has no idea as we point. i'm going to have no idea why you say this is important for me because it's not ok and they always can find the limit that the overton window is that we're about what you can actually talk about. because if you're not talking about their priorities, then somehow and we've gotten to this in 2022, you're unpatriotic, you're a toady of someone, you're misinformation, and 35. 0, go ahead. yeah, i agree. and that's the whole point about debating is it's any kind of any kind of debate. it's been shut down, good team and i used to get smidge, get sued, or taking the course if you even want to look at new ideas and ask, you know, what's the bigger picture? it's worth. i think it's really worrying that we've come to the stage. what worries me more is that some of these countries are going to include politically, we don't have a subway yet. you know, so many people learn. that's all the time we have here. i want to think, my guess in budapest, america want to thank you for watching us here. see you next time. remember?

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