ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george honeywell in budapest. he's a podcast, read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, and the mirror cache recross to martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator, or a gentleman crossed out rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want and i would appreciate it. right. start out with george in budapest. what do you think of my introduction, george tonight? you know, over do it. i mean i'm, i'm, am i prone to hyperbole. here i get that. i stress all the right points that you did. it's a very slick thing summary of where we are. i mean, when we think of legitimacy, what do we really mean? we mean political ruling elites that can actually deliver what their voters in a democracy of what you know, what they're populous generally once,

which is peace, prosperity, and at the minimum security for food on the table and the protection from the elements. now the leaders of the west of signally failed to provide any of those things that they have got themselves involved unnecessarily in a war, in which the west coast no discernable interest. and they have done so full of skill, illogical reasons that they have failed to articulate when they talk about a new world order, the liberal. well the all the rules based. busy that not only resonates with the voters because they are right, we don't understand what any of these terms mean. and so as we had towards firing economic crisis, we're talking about written will soon have a inflation rate of 11 percent, germany 8 percent where a few years ago,

the idea of even one percent inflation. so the germans meant my god, it was on his way back and, and the united states is clearly heading towards the speculation. so it really is a question of why have the ruling in lease lead their countries into this disaster . disaster own choosing was another natural disaster was of their own choosing margin, but everything that george said, it's completely obvious to all of us. but when we're asked, you know, how do you going to address these issues? and when we hear the response, we're going to back ukrainians as long as it takes, i mean, but that does it answer the question again. and it's really quite insulting, because decision makers, leadership in the west, they're there, they don't, they're not that they don't have to deal with the consequences of their own decision. i've always said, i doubt any of these leaders in europe in north america. have a clue, would have

a local broadcast, a cross or a lease wrestling, or, or even the panoramic coast. that's not really concerned. i'm not attached to that economy, but it's very disturbing. what you summarize about this mansion we keep hearing from the west that some ukraine must fight to the last man, you know, my god, how incredibly paternalistic to these people think they are, that, that if, when you look at the actual human collateral, you know how much value does the west put on one ukraine? life will say nothing 1000000 to. it's almost as though their ideas and their human rights who live in air brushed. now the whole equation. now george talks about, you know, well this is all heading and why we have got this from the western leaves this new rationale on this new. we keep hearing about the so called reset button. you know, what is the reset button? i don't know what it is, you know is i, i don't think i know what it is, but i think what the western lease have been doing for very long time. certainly in

my life time is making this transition from being on the governing. i'm touching problems had own, to actually know dealing with problems a tool, but simply make them so look busy as if to get this idea. they represent the interests of people who actually believe in, you know, the new world order based on, on free speech, on libertarian values, on human rights, etc. all that, all that nonsense, which we've been presented to for so long as being the, the foundations of western democracy. which is really the, isn't really the true true, true story. i think what's happening now to, to explain what george touched on is i think a certain sense of panic. panic is setting in the western leash. they don't know where they're going. that terrified of debate, debate, it's like the age of, of the new environment. you know, we don't want people actually talking and this is why i'm horrified to get onto my

laptop every morning and look at my twitter timeline and discover one more western jan. this being charged by the judiciary systems as a particular lady in germany. now who's report from us, she has faced the legal case in an absence and she's got this, this trial against, for just reporting reporting the truth wasn't least, don't really like the truth. as, as commodities. they control the so called truth or the perceived truth. so wrong now, but i think a panic is set again and i think that is linked to the ukraine. i think the panic is very much, you know, that they need to be more and more creative to support the what i call the super release. we keep looking at the lease, we tend to think of the leads of people liked about it, or johnson or emmanuel micron, but they're really the pump is really the sort of spokesperson of the release. the real leads a people who control equities and start markets, the banks major military, industrial complex,

and even hollywood. this is really just real powers. the control people let your bud and we've been living under this good sense for so long in the west to clean america. that is okay. we have real democracy because we don't much about and we can switch him out. well, put him out. replacing with was with whom, you know, another muffet wearing a cheap suit representing those super leafs. so i think to answer the question, to talk to you about 2 churches. i think we're witnessing the state of panic from super niche now. and ukraine is part of that whole process of panic. m a church isn't ukraine. the deflection because of the panic that we've been martin, is just talked about. i mean, problems are easily recognized. but in when you live in their ideological bubble, they don't have any answers. they don't have any tools. ok, that's, that's the problem they have. and the problem is they only talk to themselves. and what our problems are, they either don't recognize or could care less. because our concerns are not their

concerns and they are. busy more they were more important because they have the power, george. yes sir, there's no question of that. and then we can see this even in the coverage in the media of the downfall of forest johnston in which the media obsess. you know, they devote hours and hours of coverage to all the gossip and trivia who said, woman, who knew what about want and when, and none of it has any rounds. i mean, you just look at the doctor who cares when any, that way you britain facing 11 percent inflation when people are unable to afford the gas and electricity bills. when you have essentially months of months of the month of negative growth economy is, is stagnating. these are the issues that are roiling burton,

and it's going to get even worse. we as, as we head into the winter and it was a panic, is also sitting in is the rest of the world, isn't buying what the west is selling and know whether it's india or china. they aren't interested in any of this liberal, illogical claptrap that blinking and biting the little hole that the great struggle going on in the world when democracy in return isn't it? no, i didn't want. lincoln is talking about, i have no idea a, you know, the leaders of indian leaders of china, the national interest, you know, because they pose you, the civilizational interest, and ross of us the same. they understand russia point of view, they understand what russia is doing. but they have no understanding of what exactly the west is doing, what, what exactly the west is seeking to achieve in your brain. in fact,

when we ask that question, what exactly is the west seeking to achieve? great, it's impossible dos that we're just going to go on, you know, whatever the lensky ones where you know, the landscape will get. and we're just going to keep fighting and we're going to wait. we are trying to put the russians as much as possible. well, with you to want, i mean, where, where does this go? since you are no hope of winning and you have no hope of bringing the russian economy to sneeze. so the west is engaged in the war, the rest of the world as no interest and doesn't understand what the west is doing . you know, or is johnson was brought up because it got it correct me if i'm wrong, but he was headed to the conservative party. but in the last waning days of this agony of his a premiership, he was talking about cox. it masculinity and glasgow county like but we

need to be more feminine than what i think voters didn't expect that i'm a conservative leader. maybe i'm wrong now because he he was a bit old and the respective. he came from that classic conservative background and elite ism of being in each and not many people in britain, even know the jo, some isn't really even english. he's russian greek, turkish and french. we rolled into one, so he's an old character, but he played up very much the lift. and i think that's because really, if you look at the winning blow of his last election, where he had almost a landside, which was the huge contingent of old labor votes as the voted for him, the cross that line, you know, because they wanted to get it done the tories one have the next time around the next election they want to play. but the story about chosen is really interesting. we're going to talk about nita some because johnson is a product of the whole liters and sheen in the u. k. and the reason why he had to be pulled out when the reason why there was this minor coup d'etat in england was

because the conservative party realized it wasn't playing by the rules. rules of keeping this pretense going, that we have a further democracy in the u. k, and that we really believe in freedom speech and human rights. and all this, he was going off the rails, he was going away from the plantation plantations, american say, and panic conserved as well. well, if you carried on doing that, it doesn't matter about the scandals. that you keep on, but if you carry on doing it, people will start realize that actually this isn't a functioning democracy anymore. and then there was a, a facade here, you know, where super leach in our country take the big decisions. and, you know, and i think a big part of george mentioned the, the, the unintended consequence of countries no longer buying a product that probably wasn't factored in to taking on russia in the u. k. you know, the fact that you have this acceleration now of bricks, countries you have this amalgamation of russia, india, china,

together looking to see how can we put around markets, you know, forget about the west. you know, let's look forward, exciting. but i'm sure the super leads of these western countries didn't touch that in what they were thinking about. i think the 2 fundamental things. first of all, how can we create a monumental distraction to all of our fil policies in the west, you know, create a war somewhere. that's a brilliant way of just putting all your journalists, you know, taking them away. you said you have 2 points here. you said one, and we're going to go to a quick break about to that quick break. we're going to get your number 230. ah, no nation, no nation has ever done anything like it in all history. with

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martin, get back to you and their cash or you mentioned your 1st point. what is your 2nd go ahead. the 2nd point is to see what corruption and corruption always plays a big role. i'm when they leave start to fail when they start to lose the grip on the countries that are controlling the super leads in western europe. i think our son to panic and i think they're starting to worry that they will not be able to support themselves in the longer term. how do you have you insure against that? you know, how do you back up your how do you create a backup plan? against that, you take 40 or $50000000000.00 on the table and you push it across the table to your buddy isn't an industrial miniature complex. you sent a you guys just take that, that should keep it going for a while now. and by the way, this more to come, you know, to, you know, you have these huge rounds, which in european union and america about illegal state aid when it war comes. well, there's a little girl, the window you give as much money as you want to your own company. so ratio

lockheed martin, even worse, give huge sums of money to $1.00 of the most corrupt countries in the world, which before february 24th of this year, it was well known ukraine was a victory correctly. i want to change gears a little bit. george, it's very interesting to me. we had a number of contacts. we had, you know, brussels, you know, the use always in permanent, a meeting. and we had the g 7. we had nato, but the most important meeting was the g. 20, which the u. s. net a g 7 now ice armor basically disrupted, it made it into a non event. they obstructed it for reasons that you and martin of already talked about here is that they want the, the g 7 element of the g 20. if i can put it that way, they want to make sure their agenda is pursued and everybody else saying, no, we're not on board. i mean, you don't want to solve the world's problems that you actually have created your

sanctions, your secondary sanctions. we don't want to be part of that. we want to solve problems. we all know about growing of food insecurity. sanctions in secondary sanctions and again, obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, i would pause and george the, the global south is no longer with number one, not interested in what the west has to say, but more importantly, it doesn't fear it anymore. go ahead, george. good. next, excellent point. it was so problems aspect of it is very interesting because as you say, the g 7 crowd, they attended and they wanted to make it all about russia and. ready not to come up with any kinds of solutions, which is what the others said. ok, well let's you know, here we all ok. let's see if we can discuss this and come up with a plan to resolve this problem. no, no, no. we just want to make the symbolic gestures, which is that i will not meet sir kayla raul. i will not shake his dirty hand and i

will not pose in a collective photograph afterwards and i will not take part in any joint communicate. so how does that solve the problem? how do we move forward from that? and then i think is really beginning to define the difference between the west and the rest of the world because the rest does thing. ok, well we've, we've set up these organizations and how do we try to resolve problems? and i think it really is something that you really love wrong. emphasizes this all the time, which is when we set up these organizations, whether it breaks the shanghai cooperation, organizational the c s t o r or the, the, the asian, the economic area we're doing with a view to solving problems. we don't do it in order to direct and again, someone else say right now we're all together. you know, let's see how much we can hate the other. but as far as the ways this doesn't always, gideon logically driven the, they get together,

the g 7 get together and nato and the e. u. a shake their fist at either russia or china, or anyone else who's not on board with the other west agenda. so, i mean, this is more becoming a kind of an angry uncle. anyway, he's having to just ignore that. you know, what do they have to say to us? i was thinking, characterization angry uncle, but i think the west is the global. karen right now is like, oh, there they go, and they're going out the handle, you know, they're very rational. you know, don't talk, never say calm down because that makes them really more angry here. but it's very good martin, you know, i'm looking at in the, in the west. they don't give a whole lot of coverage because they're, you know, they're not up in front and center and they will be in 2008. the g 20. i would say did play a positive role least getting a global consensus to deal with the economic crisis that the time. but that's sort of the purposes of the west. economic crisis came out of the west. ok. and then,

you know, we have this situation meeting this year. the west doesn't want to participate in having global solutions get maybe you don't like what's going on in ukraine, but i think everybody's been so we don't want to have famine in africa. i mean, i think it shows the lock maturity coming from the west because it's ideologically possess. yeah, it's, i'd love to be possessed with his own narrative, which i think is straight to the fraud. you know, they're, they're, they're obsessed with having their own agenda on their own. a role. but it's interesting on the role of africa could be critical in an end game in ukraine because what's gonna happen the next few weeks, a couple of months. this is some of these are countries nafrica going to start suffering. and the 1st person they're going to turn to as an institution. they were to enter your opinion in brussels, which has been bang on a trauma so long now about, you know, we can help you with trade and a, you could reform with human rights. there was a conference very recently in brussels with all the heads of african states. and the message from the africans were sick and tired of you preaching to us about

human rights. you know what, we want much more european union. what's happening is the old relationships between the lowest african countries i'm the cleaning of masters is falling apart. just recently, last few days. the french pulled out the last troops from molly, which was an absolute catastrophe for macro. and you know, to, to fly the, for the french flag and molly, and to dish out the moral tutelage about human rights and fighting terrorism. when in reality, all that was bullshit, actually the french will protect so big contracts for huge french multi nationals and to protect french citizens were working for them, the parenthesis to that was the money. and we're hoping that we could get some kind of deal with the french, whereby they would protect us if we have some civil political uprising now. the old deal with colonial powers will the unwritten g was what will help you with that? you know, for most of the sixties and seventies and eighties, but that's over now. you know, we can't do that anymore just to see the saudis,

and most of the state is discovered junior spring when they look to the americans. when they start to get worried about the disco insurgency. you know, that's why these companies are looking more and more to russia because we've lost more was huge list that moral high ground, you know, in the west we don't have that influence anymore. so, you know, the role of africans is going to be very interesting. if they decide they've had enough of this relationship, this nonsense and they turn to the former clean power sprint from just say you need to help us out. we need hundreds of millions of dollars now and food date. and people in britain or front say, well actually that's quite difficult because we've got people here that are actually solving lines of food. banks are getting longer, longer gasoline is getting out of control in britain, people are actually leaving the jobs because they can't afford to drive to work. that is how crazy it is. you know, there is going to be a tipping point at a certain point where the europe is going to say to the africans, i'm sorry, we can't help when that happens. everything changes. because what,

where did the african chum they turn to russia? that's such an interesting point. georgia was already mentioned, or i think mark mentioned earlier, ok the fall of forest johnson. ok. in the british press, it was, it was just kind of a national enquirer stuff, you know, who said what, who was at that party, which is, why should any of us care about it? he's gone now. joe biden is going to get us so shall, lacking in november in some, you know, there'll be a new speaker of the house in all these things here. but george and martin year things are not going. he did change. okay. and this is what the panic that i think martin quite happily is mentioned here because none of these people have any solutions to these problems. you know, you want to change people on a chessboard and things like that. but it's not fundamentally because neo liberalism is the problem in this political class. so i think the panic is, is going to continue and continue because the status quo simply is not tenable. yes,

absolutely. right. i mean, you have one of the leading candidates to take over from bars. johnson is richie soon act was a billionaire hedge fund manager investment banker. well, we know, you know where, what his agenda is. and we've seen the in the united states recently, we had mike compel delivering an important address of the hudson institute, which is as belligerent if not more belligerent than the bygone administration. if, in fact is in visiting war with russia and china at the same time. and so one is at the very least a candidate to be vice president. do you know whoever is the republican nominee? so we don't have a system in which some of the new leaders couldn't much to say. we're going completely wrong. i mean, look at germany and i all actual social democrats on doing or any dismal.

ok, but the people whose number one, number 2 christian democrats in greece, them all religion shortens. i mean, then bad beef with shoals is that he's not doing enough for ukraine. and again, we have the case of the united states, it's quite possible that donald trump will return to power in 2025. but truck will be in the same position as he was in 2017. i mean, if you really tries to affect some major change in u. s. foreign policy that you know, the deep state or whatever you call it, is going to come off. i mean, you know, they will, they've already got the plan in place as to what it will be that we some very, and he's working for, you know, he's, he's got a plan to destroy the west and whatever. we can be sure that there's a plan already in place to destroy him before he becomes president to be the 3rd impeachment trial. you know that? yes. know that. okay, absolutely. well, you know,

you brought up democracy here. what i've it, what i find really quite pathetic is they like to mount the word democracy. but they don't want any real democracy to be in play because their priorities, the average citizen has no idea as we point out in the spring, have no idea why you say this is important for me because it's not ok. and they always confine the limit that the overton window as it were about what you can actually talk about. because if you're not talking about their priorities, then somehow in we've gotten to this in 2022, you're unpatriotic. you're a toady of someone. you're misinformation known as referral martin, go ahead. yeah, i agree or not some, the whole point about debating is it's it's, it's any kind of any kind of debate. it's been shut down. good team and i used to get smidge, get sued, or taking the course if you even want to look at new ideas and ask, you know, what's the bigger picture? it's worrying. i think it's really worrying that we've come to the stage. what

worries me more is that some of these countries are going to include the politically, we don't have a subway yet. you know, so many people learn. that's all the time we have here. and what i think my guess in budapest, america, when i think our viewers are watching us here are the see an exam, remember i lifted up, but you see that the was the, were the jesus you did? yes it was. he just happened. we know law, new them, me in the musical roster, and guess where does the door national know puerto a p don't cheat is most so must all,

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