i know they plenty of room with the literature. can you know when you have regarding joe, by imposing these sanctions on russia, you has destroyed the american economy. so there's your boomerang. ah, ah, ah. hello and welcome to cross stock. we're all things are considered. i'm cater lavelle, the so called collective west is at war with russia using ukraine as a proxy. the west has made it clear at once a russia that is weaker and isolated on the world stage. to date these attempts have ended in failure. in fact, the opposite is happened,

the west is weaker and isolated. ah, i cross sucking the wes miscalculations. i'm joined by my guest generally in new york. he is a political analyst, as well as a former foreign correspondent in russia in washington we have michael maloof. he is a former pentagon, seniors security policy analyst, and america. we crossed to martin j. he's an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross that roles and the fact that music and jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate, let me go to michael in washington 1st. i mean, if you saw from my introduction, i kind of wanted to focus in on russia bed down. the news flow is kind of interrupting this error. shine is very much on the in the news flow. taiwan. so michael e is go do a little bit of history. remember in december, i think, december 17th, the russian said to know to diplomatic note, to nato,

into the united states, say, do, what's your step? i'm going to borrow some chinese words. you know, you could get burned with ukraine. now let's talk about right now. you know, the, a, nancy pelosi, i suppose as we speak right now is approaching, or maybe even be in taiwan and the chinese sworn don't do this. they'll be consequences. is there a parallel here and who's not understanding the world? go ahead, michael. well, well, thanks for having me, peter. yeah, there's an extraordinary parallel here. i think the chinese have learned and from the ukraine lesson, they saw that mister putin, as you pointed out, i put down a red lines and a and wanted to negotiate or they were ignored. and now he's done the same thing. jean ping is now done. the same thing, isa is issue or bread lines, and he's told them don't cross it or else, and the, and for some unknown reason, our people are so thick headed,

they just cannot get the message. and it clearly is necessary that they don't, they don't understand what it's like to have a, a 2 front war going on all of a sudden, once again. and in this case, we're not prepared for it whatsoever. i'm not even prepared to to help you ukrainians a very much longer given given how quickly they're going through the logistics or this whole thing is just total madness and be in august. i am very, very concerned about a possible war. and historically wars have have occurred in a, in many cases during august. and i was, you pointed out and it was no, it was gushing the guns of august and i got them august. okay, absolutely. martin way in there and i, and on this here be because the parallel with ukraine is quite remarkable. ukraine is a small country, relatively poor, very badly govern. i don't think anything you can say anything like that,

about china. go ahead. no, you can't. i'm in the, in that respect, if you put it that way, you know, you're talking about of david and goliath situation. you know, we can't afford a war or anything close to. and it resembles a war or a state of war with china that would just be simply suicide. i think the links between china and ukraine, though, the button family and i robot this extensive, i think there is corruption analyst stories that are generally just simply on getting to. and you know, i can't be the 1st commentator, the 1st skeptical commentator to say that i really believe the idol who thinks he's going to be really against the ropes. come them in terms, is looking for a massive destruct distraction. and you know, he's certainly not the 1st us president to look at the globe and see where can we have a dust up somewhere and, you know, bring all the training but like, but martin, this is china. it's not a fan of either not grenada. we've got to john get new york, just go in just jump in, john. i mean,

one common thread i'm seeing throughout all this is that the democrats of the party of chaos, you know, domestic. they were behind the insurrection, the violent insurrection in summer 2020. when our city is burned for 2 months and now abroad, we see that the party of chaos have ignited this. busy war reason, the reason i this war, ukraine, another person for war in china, so i get the fuel, they just want more chaos, more chaos brings that more power, more conscious. they can justify more contracts, whether it's spending at home or spending for defense. well, defense spending for war abroad, and that's the only common courtesy, the part of chaos, of course, as your other respect, very respectful guest, said they, the democrats are also very much interested in provoking china, broke in russia. i think they do want the 2 front war because this is their moment in history, where they're going to teach the other great powers of the world and teach them a lesson. and they're going to show them who, who's bought they, i mean,

they think their boss, the democrats, think their boss on the planet and they are promoting their vision, their global vision for new world order. oh my coat, if you correct me if i'm wrong here, but i mean if the u. s. it seriously is considering some kind of conflict with china, they have to get there by ship. right. i mean, you have to move that out is and then 1000 on these big aircraft carriers. um, china is very well prepared for something like that. i mean, i, i just, you know, russian ukraine, you know, they're right next to each other. okay. that's a land war. okay, this is something very different. i'm losing 3 of aircraft carriers in 90 minutes is good to be. how is that going to go down? go ahead, michael. well, it's not going to go down very well except for the ears or al carriers. i'm sorry, go ahead. yeah, the chinese have warned you basically that they, they can knock out those aircraft carriers. and i think that they're prepared to do that. they got the book that

a specific type of listed missile that will come if they're called carrier killers . i think it's the df 21 and so it and, and they also have a they also can introduce into their warfare scheme. another thing that we don't even talk about that select electromagnetic pulse, weapon weaponry. and they practice for that. we do not. and i think that that is something else if they can use against our, our, our combat, um a carriers and our in our ships, by the way, they have a greater a much larger navy. and than, than, than, than the united states. and the only way the united states can get there is by ship . and if they were coming half, half way around the world. and as a consequence though, that the chinese just have to lie and wait in. and it's because it's sitting, it's their domain, their territory. so it's, it's, so we have this once again shows aggression. i'm very concerned that what you still have people at the top of the state department in the,

by the administration. who are the nea cons that are, that are calling these shots? they're unrelenting, they want, they want containment. both were china and russia. that's a sequence. we have driven both china and russia into a much greater military alliance. as a consequence, john in new york, you on the jump in, go ahead. yeah. just we, you know, we have military bases in the region. so certainly we have the power to project. there are quite easily, i mean of course we do have to bring a lot by ship, but we already have a lot of. busy much assets in the region, so we could fight a war. yes, we could find a war with china. it's going to be extremely destructive, but we could fight it in, in the, in the region. well, i don't know that japan. i don't know that japan and the other country and south korea that the host are basis, want to get involved in the war and john that, that's a really good point. let me go to martin right now. they, you know, the, the, the entangling alliances, the u. s has, which is inherently dangerous. you know, if there is an attack on japan, then that's one thing. if there's an attack on australia,

it's another thing. but taiwan is a very different thing because even the us recognizes that taiwan is part of china. that is the very basis of establishing diplomatic relations back in 79. martin go ahead. which is why i don't, i don't think don't. i do personally. i don't think they're going for war and i'll stand aside to have to with your other committees. i think they're looking for a state of emergency and i think this is going to be a huge public relations exercise where their heart but martin that when that, that's what the us in these hot heads one, the chinese may react very, very differently to that. don't lose me. yes, unless it was a great danger that was great, changing new crane and with russia, and the great danger with china is miscalculation in how much confidence do you place in the biden administration to knock? well, you know, then this calculation is great because there was no the nation is great because you also have the chinese wanting good. they're going to have their communist party or

a big brouhaha coming up and is easing pain, needs to get there reelected for a 3rd term. so he's definitely gonna take a very hard stand i like, but i think what i think i think that we will this, this thing is going to happen over a few weeks. and i actually believe being british a believe that the americans are also waiting for this trust to be voted in is conservative leader, sometimes september. she's very gun her on china. foolishly. she really believes that, you know, we can really take a belligerent, very bellicose attitude militarily, with the chinese, which is hilarious, frankly. but i think wonder if this is also something that should be planned over several weeks in several months. you mentioned earlier about was in the summer, you know, as a journalist, i was find it somewhat ironic, somewhat amusing that so many was a planned over the summer. and if you've ever wondered why is my theory, i think the plans are in sun because they get maximum press coverage because all

the parliaments around the world shut down during most of august, the 1st or 2nd week of september. so there's lots of space in the newspapers, from stories for the little correspondence. when we go to the mention, when we go to china, new york, i mean, this is another elite agenda here. ukraine has been a manufactured, elite agenda. we all have to care about your grade, even though most people don't. okay. and now the same thing here with, with china. and what's really bizarre for me is that this is nancy. pelosi is farewell to where she's saying good bye. you've been traveling a lot lately. you know, when she has time off from january 6. okay. but i mean, she's saying good by and the by the administration is not on the same page for the house. i've never seen such a hardship in my life. go ahead, john. i mean, this situation, american political impacts reminds me of the soviet political and best in the early eighty's geron accuracy. your people are very,

very old. we're really not aware of what was happening in the country or in the, in the wider world. so it's maybe this whole problem, a large extent, i think they're working with the wrong information, specifically about ukraine. i had a conversation recently with people who are pro ukrainian for the war and ukraine. and they really believe that over just fight a little bit longer. russia will collapse, crushes, and the weak rushes the giant with the feet of clay. they really believe that they're working with false information. and i wonder what information the white house and con, congressional leaders are working with regarding china, maybe it's something similar. maybe they think china is weak. now is the moment to strike. let's push them. let's humiliate them. let's show them whose boss, or maybe, really these people are just adding a mom thinking. all right, i'm going to jump in here. gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the west miscalculation state. ah,

ah. the sanctions packaged bars. russian flanks, vassals, from entering e u pools belgium, garalie sweeney romanian sooner and equally with her. now that there would be close to russian ships here for with now there's talk of we routing oil and gas exports to asia as myself, but i so india, with loose motive, he had just removed the eastern part of the northern sea root has never been around logically the cold with each of us,

the loot. good we have. what is sheila limit? of course good. or she's done yet. but of course that ah welcome back across stock where all things are considered. i'm peter level to remind you we're discussing the wes miscalculations. ah, okay, go back to michael in washington. the unipolar moment just didn't last long enough apparently for these neocons here. and i've been thinking for a very long time. i'm watching what happened in a with, with a libya. what happened with syria now with ukraine and maybe on the menu is now china. is that the, you know, polar moment and had gemini, it's dissipating for the united states?

do you think it's possible that they're seeing this is at a certain juncture where russia is very preoccupied, obviously with ukraine and the chinese. they only see them getting stronger and stronger and stronger. it's the, it's considered east trap, and the u. s. this could possibly think we'd have to take them on now or at least get intimidate them. does that make sense to you? go ahead, michael. yeah, i think we're, i think the what the, the near constant in the, in the, by the ministration. see this says their last desperate effort to, to, to, to contain both russia, china, they, they see that this is the grand stand, last grand stand up of, to, for the, to, to preserve their unipolar world order. because they see this multi polar world order emerging. and it's emergency very rapidly, and i might add a think celebrating because of actions by the united states itself, through the sink, through the weapon ization of, of sanctions. a gets everybody out there these days seems even against our allies

in their companies. so it's, it's, it's turning the world into a whole different world that we knew just a few years ago. and as a consequence, this multi polar world order now is beginning to accelerate. for example, the bricks, countries, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're going to be getting new members here shortly. i was just informed this morning by a very reliable source that some of the air and countries now want to join bricks. that's quite significant. that's in addition to saudi arabia and, and, and, and, and by, by bricks i mean, brazil, russia, india, china, south africa. they, you know, when you bring those countries together, they constitute more than half the population of the world. and that's the merchant emerging of multi polar world order, the united states now seeds itself competing against economically and politically and militarily. well in the end and martin does is

a complete lack of trust and faith in the west. any more, i mean, using the, the dollar, it's a weapon. i mean, it's one of the stupidest things i've seen in my life time and that you, you should cherish that as the global theat currency. but no, they denigrated people don't wanted. why get involved in these institutions where you could be held hostage to look what they did to venezuela's gold for goodness sake. all right. it seems to me that china has learned very rapidly what the, with the, the, the west, under the leadership of the u. s. will do in the case of ukraine and china's learn what to do and what not to do in their prepared. one thing, i will say the russians have repaired for what had happened in ukraine, and i truly believe the chinese are prepared. i don't see anybody in washington, other than bluster being prepared, go head martin showing off a barrier and they have been prepared for a long time because they've seen from the offset this relationship between the western china and its limits. i mean, the west can decide whether it wants to make

a massive trading partner or a g, a political enemy, or a mix of the to, you know, the little confusion that but i think as more or more as this trade deficit with america, broaders and china cells much, much more trade goods in america, america, exports to china. that's going to obviously become a problem. a certain point to the mentioned before. bricks is very relevant. what we're seeing is china having much more competence. now, as these countries just on a line are to join bricks so that you know, if there is ever such a threat to china, the big question is, we're trying to even stand alone or would other countries quickly, rosters defense in the regions? well, such as iran, for example, which has massive military capability. so i think the world is changing, you know, and we're living in a new age where america on the west has to accept the does a new world order emerging. and it is from the east, and it's, you know, it's her own food. we've insisted on creating this new on coast,

which is going up. and if you look around the world, you'll see more importantly, in my view, there's a number of non aligned countries. countries in the old days, in the cold war, who were forced more or less by the west to sign off to western germany. a lot of countries in africa for example, that had to form a european masters these days. those countries in africa don't follow what the west to do anymore. you know, the very, very interesting because ukraine war we saw something like 35 countries, abstain to the vote to basically kick russia. and 16 of those countries were african countries. another 6 didn't even vote a tool, so there was a very, very clear indication right from your set that the world is changing. and a lot of these african countries will stay on the line because they believe that this new world order is with is their log in to get tricked by it. again, i'm not gonna be forced into position where they have to choose one side of the

other. they want to stay neutral. but i think many also when they see what's going on with the west, china will start also to look at ways of how they can impress bricks and so not to be become members of bricks as well. so the east is growing and everything the west us just seems to be like, shooting itself in the foot. every minute of, wow, it said it really is, this really is an extra moment here, john, because there's a continuing with martin were saying here that the, the west cannot accept that the world is changing in ways that they can't control. and that is really the dilemma right now. when you look at joseph parales blog. mean he's just a madman. he has no idea what's going on in the world. and he's running the u. s. foreign policy list truss. i mean, she couldn't fight her way out of a paper bag. okay. and then you have your joe biden, the king of them all. i mean, and the world is changing in a rapid pace and they have no comprehension of it. and that's what makes them truly

dangerous. go ahead, john. what does the west have to offer the world? they go war instruction a girl. let's look at it. when years it's been war and destruction. iraq, libya, syria, afghan, the stand. what is the main organization for the collective west? it's nato. it's a military alliance. what's the main organization? let's say for the other side, it's bricks. it's an economic development organization. so we see on one side is a highly, militaristic, dangerous organization. civilization the west rung, as you said by very old and unhinged people on one side, on the other side is a block that wants economic development to respect national sovereignty and to foster mutually beneficial economic relations. it's enough i'm and i'm not align country. who am i going to choose the unhinged militarist or the side that wants economic development and national sovereignty? john: yeah. you should. you should be very careful with your words, john,

because you're going to be cancelled very, very quickly for is talking pragmatic sense. ok. sovereignty. oh, my god, i haven't heard bad on the mainstream media for decades now, but that's exactly michael, that, that's really what's going on here. is that you it the, the, it's a whirl and then there's a literature on the world beyond the west. it, and not only is, it was a literature 20 years ago, it's a reality now. and that is something europe in the americans, and they're in their friends, in nato world, in japan and australia, et cetera. they can't seem to find their way how they can fit into it. i mean, we, we, we had some of the u. k coming out. you know, they're going to be definitely, i'm sorry, was a german chancellor. while i refer to a sergeant schultz condemning my china and supporting taiwan, i mean, no surprise there. no, and, and i, i can tell you that the, the i saw this when i was at the defense department. im when central asia 1st

opened up, it was like a whole new world, a whole new universe out there that i had never known about and, and where, and that was the, that constituted the east, the, the east, the eurasia, a bad accent here that we have is, is something that we, the west has no concept of, and we're seeing that today. i might add that in addition to bricks, we're also seeing the belt and road initiative. yeah. it has begun to spawn. and, and now it's reaching into latin america. it's into africa, it's all across your asia. and that combined with the eurasia economic union bricks, belton road. i mean, that's formidable economic engine that, that the united states now is very, very concerned about and finds very threatening. and that's what they can't go up against a little insight, michael should make michael. the juxtaposition is,

i guess, want more bases around the world. i mean, we can take africa, for example, you know, the us shelves. it's my building, you know, bases, you know, the chinese economic development. now we can argue and debate that what kind of economic development, but they're far more interested in price parity becoming rich. and let me go back to martin americans. you know, that's what the west stood for. security dignity, the rule of law prosperity. all of those are going away right in front of our eyes . so what kind of model is it for any one in the world now, go ahead america. did they really stand for those values? i mean, perhaps they did. there was a tiny moment perhaps in the early sixty's when most of those countries in africa became independent on the clone owns for the tutor relationships they handled their colonial masters. but i'm not sure if any of these values mean anything any more to these countries. you know, i mean, when the african leaders often complain when you come to visit them, that he gives

a speech about human rights when china comes to them open schools and hospitals. and that's really basic summing up. you know, these, most of these countries i'm looking to china now to be the new lead to invest money . you know, some like $3000000000.00 or for an investment just last year in the african continent from china was pretty impressive. like a lot, that's much less than the americans. you know, to china is really the real play in africa now. and i think this is going to be real. a real determination at a tipping point. now in this new will finish off with tom are almost out of time. do you think the chinese are afraid of woke pentagon? no, not, not at all. i'm sure they welcome it very much. so i do not think the u. s. is unable to fight with china. we will lose. we do not have. we might have the technology in the, in the armaments, in the weapons. we do not have the will. we do not have the mind if we do not have the brilliance like we used to have, we will lose. yeah. and, and john, you know,

where is public opinion here again, another major combat, nobody is consulted. no, there's no debate, but just the elite debate on, on the networks and that's it cable. and that's all the debate and people we be be going into a major conflict. and no one consulted the people. and they say the debate is between the talker. see in democracy it's rubbish here, gentlemen, that's all the time we have a want to think my guess in washington, new york and america. and what i think our viewers for watching us here are key. see you next time remember? ah ah ah ah

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