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ah ah, ah ah. hello and welcome to crosstalk. were all things are considered? i'm peter lavelle has a so called american century come to an end. if so, how did he come about? was it poor leadership or the mission to lead the world itself was always destined to fail. and what follows the end of the american century? ah, crow, sucking the end of the american century, i'm joined by my guess peter cousin,

akin. bethesda. he's a professor of history and director of the nuclear studies institute at american university as well as co author with oliver stone of the untold history of the united states and assemble. we have pepe escobar, he's an independent geopolitical analyst and author specializing in eurasia. and in callaway across the jama barracka, he is a national organizer for the black alliance for peace or a gentleman, cross talk rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate pepe. let me go to you. i mean, this ms. bates is program is kind of based on this article by david preston are in harper's magazine. and it was the title of the article was empire burlesque. and it kind of said a lot of shockwave, lot of people really kind of surprised by it, but i don't think anybody on this panel would be surprised by whatsoever. and i thought it really quite amusing that this was such a bold article and you know, and you know, it, it, it is a and a critique of the, of the elite and all that. i thought it was a good chronology, but he didn't say anything that was particularly interesting or new. go ahead,

pepe. now this is a mediocre se of mediocre acid for mediocre readers in america, you know, the best writers in across the erasure russians. chinese iranians pakistan. these indians across latin america, the best brazilians, argentinean 0. bryan's across africa. well, they have been writing about this in detail for over 10 years now. if not, since the meet to thousands at the height of the war on terror. basically, we all know that the free lunch that lasted for 75 years is older. so we are now discussing what's gonna happen next, of course. and you just need to take a look at what's happening at the su. busy summit in september in summer. what happened at the breaks summit in beijing a few weeks ago? what happened after the run 3 part by some guy. right. easy and food seen

in that on this week. this is where are we going? interaction of all of these institutions across eurasia, towards what the russians themselves have called greater erasure partnership. but it's bigger than eurasia. it's, i would say it's, you know, you'll rough free asia as well. let's bring africa to it. let's bring lesson america. it's is the new world, it's been, it's absolutely. i agree with peter. if the, if i could read a quick fragment from the article here, are we doomed to witness the return of great power rivalry in which the united states in china, by for influence or will that the decline of the us per produce novel forms of international collaboration kind of dovetailing on what peppy has to say, is it, is this even an important question anymore? i mean that the, you know, because the really the, the way the, this article is written about american leads, should we lament the end of the american century or not?

i mean, i don't even think that's a question anymore. that is, i think this is what this mindset is all about. the world is moving on and the us has to find its place in it. that's probably a better way of putting it go ahead. peter of biden came to power, saying that he was going to restore our american hegemony after the trump years. and he was going to unite the europeans behind the americans. and i says, has been to provide leadership to the world. and we see how well that's worked out, situation internationally has only gotten worse in the past 2 years. and the reason why we can't allow this kind of bifurcation, this kind of division is because we're facing existential crises with dealing with the climate is the most obvious while now as the, as europe is burning, as the runways are melting in london, i as the fires this, this,

the heat wave people are dying. it's only going to get worse, only going to get much, much worse. and we're facing an existential crisis because of the nuclear threat. the west is committed, europeans in the united states are committed to defeating russia. even though they themselves say, many leaders understand that if they succeeded and made prudent, desperate, then russia would likely resort to nuclear weapons, which would again potentially precipitate the end of life on the planet. so we that in a position where we have the luxury to sit back and allow the 2 sides with their insular views and backward notions to destroy our planet. so are facing a serious crisis right now. american hegemony isn't as, as already, and it even charles krauthammer in 1990 proud hammer. now this is america's

unipolar moment, right in 2002. he says i was wrong. this is a unit poly iraq, 2nd last 30 or 40 years like i thought it's going to last indefinitely. but by 2006, even krauthammer, after the devil's in iraq and afghanistan, even krauthammer, had to admit that the american unipolar moment and unipolar erode, were a fantasy. so we've known this oliver stuttering. i wrote about this extensively and unfold history and my other colleagues on the show been writing about this and talking about it for years. the question is, how do we prevent this from turning into the crisis that ends life on our planet? a jumbo. i think it's really interesting um, noting what peter and pet play of already said here is it can, can the world survive america reckoning that is no longer the hedge amount. i mean, this is what it really gets down to because it's so in says she was the political leads in the united states. and the, the, the, the, it is so narrow the definition of how they see their place in the world. it's

either all or, or they'll be chaos again. this article is very light headed in the way i look at it is because it doesn't look at the, the, the realities playing out on the ground and is peppy said here the world is moving on. and the u. s. has to find its place in it, and that's something that americans can't contemplate because of american exceptionalism, which we'll talk about later. go ahead in cali or, you know, peter, you're absolutely right. the other commentaries are spot on the money. the basically what we have is that the u. s. the lead on able to, to excel the new political reality. they seem to be committed to their notion of full spectrum dominance no matter what the conditions are. and it seems that they are prepared to basically go up the world in order to maintain the dominance of the, of the european project. and that's why we say to david this,

this of this represents the existential threat to collective global humanity. that is a pathological commitment on the part of the, of the white west, if you will, or to maintain global hegemony is putting all of us a threat. and they're basically unless and until we able to ship power from the u. s. u natal project. all of us are facing the possibility of a global catastrophe. well, peppy, i mean what, what is driving this here? i mean, from the west, there is an ideological for you. is it just economic gemini? because i always, i tend to fall back on the sense of american exceptionalism, that they, the american elite. and he talks about here, liberal intervention is versus restraints, which i think is a joke because both camps and if you want to say they believe in american exceptionally. and that is the great barrier to accept the fact that we are

a pre ordained to run the world. that is something that is part of the american dna . how do they deal with it? pepe well, in continental europe. it's still the primacy of the ideas of the, you know, like, this is something that we see specially in france and injure it, but don't you know, peppy, don't you think they, that i think they're actually in defiance of their own ideals, you know, sanctity a problem to process freedom of speech. absolutely, no, no they, it's all, it's all rubbish. okay. i don't think they, they never did it on signing the enlightenment. go ahead, pepe. yeah. but they don't see it. it's amazing. i like i live between east and west as a lot of people know. i just came back from natal stand in france for almost 3 months and i arrived finished a move in. i feel relieved. i can have an intellectual dialogue in istanbul, which i tried many times to having paris,

and it's absolutely impossible. and these people do, you know their enlightment by heart, but they simply don't see how their own ideals are melting nowadays. in the you case, different the okay, that it's still a little bit of a white man's burden. last and of course in america is in every cielo, of intelligence or so called the vantage in us is about american exceptionalism. it's an extremely america centric view of the world, and we don't need to go back to live east coast to, to once again state that americans are as a rule of thumb simply cannot understand the other. and the problem is the other, which is basically the global south, which is 88 percent of the world's population. now they are finding an alternative model or alternative converging models. and they are trying to build literally a new system of international relations for from the point of view of,

from an a gym monic point of view, either continental europe, yuki or america, and the collective west as oh, this is be owned, anathema. this is the ultimate right let, but is assumption that this fun will never happen in the history. not that big by peter, this, this mindset when i call it american exceptionalism, been, i mean, and it's eurocentric as well. and it's untenable. i mean, it's really amazing. you know, you look at europe right now because of what's going on the ukraine, and they have an energy crisis, possible food crisis, their food banks here. and they still co, all these ideas that they are the center of the world. go ahead peter. well they, in some ways they are still very, very relevant and very important. you know, we can discount the west when we're looking at the future of humanity at this point . the problem is that they're so short sighted take the case of biden,

yet biden wants to weaken russia. he wants to punish russia. and in order to do so, he is effectively creating conditions in the u. s. and in much of the rest of the world that are going, especially in the us now, the big issue on people's mind is inflation. the cost of living gas, housing, all these real concerns and what biden's policies are doing now in order to punish russia, is exacerbating that making it worse. creating more suffering is approval ratings are in the low to mid thirty's right now. and what he is effectively doing is saying he's willing to allow donald trump the republicans, the fascists, the climate and ires pete parallel blanche. i be here. i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on the end of the american center, his name was archie.

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with ah welcome back to cross stock where all things are considered on peter la built to manager were discussing the end of the american century. ah . go back to peter and beth, as i'm sorry, had to cut you up. we had to go to a hard break. go ahead, finish your thought. peter. lenny club friedrich the chest. he said in individuals insanity is rare. but in groups, parties, nations, and ethics. it is the rule up to this point i leased to 77

years ago with the atomic bombs at hiroshima and nagasaki. we did not have the power to and life on the planet the way we do now. so i, you see in the united states, democracy is very, very fragile right now. you've got one party committed to destroying american democracy. the little bit democracy. it is still remains in the united states and biden, in his policy in his efforts, sued to weaken punish russia is bringing about the collapse, the further destruction of american democracy. bringing to trump is back into power, thinks no rational sense. and what we're seeing on a global scale right now also makes no rational sense. so, i mean, i think we're at a, at a crucial turning point. because the united states, while it might not have the moral authority and might not have the economic power that it once did,

still has the power to bring the world down. and so that's what makes it so dangerous. and others recognize at the meeting in anchorage between lincoln a sullivan and a to chub topped chinese foreign policy officials back in march of last year. when wang ye says to blanket to sullivan, he says, you don't have the authority to talk to us like this anymore. you can't talk to us when position of strength. well, that's true, but there is nobody providing international leisure pepe is more optimistic, but he lives in the global south than i am right now. because i see a struggle that is much more dangerous and much more unresolved. i see some positive development. i also see negative ones. i see yoon winning in south korea. i see japan moving sharply to the right. i see a lot of very dangerous trends as well. as some positive ones. ok, let's go back to cow here. one of the things that i bit of observed here on how the

global south is reacted to the situation in ukraine. and i think it's important to state here is that the global south no longer the 1st of all doesn't respect the west any more because of its hypocrisy. but it doesn't fear it is much either. and that is a significant paradigm shift right now, because we see the global south is basically saying, you know, we don't want to get involved in a conflict that you generated. then we can talk about the origins while we want. but they're saying it's not our fight and why should and then if it, when the idea of sovereignty, or you want to protect ukraine sovereignty. but the global south is that we are going to protect our sovereignty to by not getting involved in your fight. and i think this is a paradigm shift there, there is no longer respect or fear the west go ahead and cali. but you know what, you know, peter, you knew you're right. oh, but i think that when we say that all the solve to isn't understanding, that in fact, power is shifting to, to the, the non european world if you will. and so there's always been

a understanding of the potential power here in the global. so we understood leave the parasitic relationship between the development of the north and the under development of the south of but now the conditions are such that basically there's the possibility of more effective resistance. as to what we see in the global south are the experiments taking place of the reconstruction of societies along a new path of development and new lines of, of values. and that is something i think is very, very positive. now one of the things that we have to understand is that what makes the north so incredibly dangerous? is that this, this, this inflated sense of itself in a butt, believe that without its leadership globally, be sure that the, that the world can no longer exist, as we know, it goes back to your point about about us exceptionalism. you have your opinion exceptionalism, the psychopath, biology, a white supremacist, white supremacist. etiology has to be addressed front and center. the europeans

have to understand that they are no longer the center of the world. and again, when they understand that, and we able to, to make that reflect a material reality, that is shifting power from the europeans, that we have the possibility of developing and constructing a new world. ok, pepe in this article here by david breast essentially is asking what is the world like after the american century? is it a good thing should be we'd be afraid because i think i think you're right, peter is a little bit more pessimistic. you're a little bit more optimistic. where do you, where does it go from here? because that the global system ever since 945 has been centered on the west, specifically the united states that is slowly drifting away. is that a good thing? a bad thing, a dangerous thing. go ahead, pepe. well, if i was really a passive nihilist not an active night list as nature. i would give up completely

and isolate myself, one of volcanic island, some where i still i still get, i'm a writer and writers as you all know the di writing. so i will die writing and at least trying to find the array of lights into, into this mile strong. edgar alone polls miles from in fact. and that's why these past few years, i have been focusing on what's happening across the region, the development slowly, but surely of all these organizations, this young guy, corporation, organization, eurasia, economic union, now bricks plus, which is something that the chinese and the russians have been pushing for quite a while now, the c s t o o, the projects of the new will so groves and merging with the russian concept of greater ration partnership and how all of these organizations and this,

a framework across eurasia is spilling over towards africa. latin america. when the remote to be to be share here to be fair here, you know, this is one of the origins of the crisis in ukraine because, you know, ukraine has to be part of the west. because if you have to separate it from russia to week in russia, the reason why i'm bringing this up. i go to peter right now, is that i agree with what pepe have been talking about all these organizations, but the us is not very happy about it. because it wants to maintain the deputy, and that's what makes it a very dangerous country. go ahead peter. no question about that. you know, it leaves me some interesting trends and some hopeful trends. latin america, a lot of progressives are winning elections now. and lula hopefully will come back to power in brazil. and there's some good things happening. but then we also see this august deal. i. india is a very important player, as the biggest,

the 2nd biggest country in the world, and will soon be the, the largest country in the world. and is trying to, like many countries that people don't want to choose sides. the u. s. is trying to force, that's right, countries to choose sides again. and people are resisting. and that's a positive part of the positive trend of puppies. i correctly identifying. but we have such big problems that we need to somehow figure out a way for the u. s. and the europeans to get back in the game in a positive sense. because even if we've talked look about global warming, if the what, what one of the consequences of what this war that the russian invasion of, of ukraine is setting back the need for boot dealing aggressively with global warming setting this back potentially for years is and so yeah, but, but peter did say no, and you try to convince me that these people actually believe this about climate

change. i mean, if it is so existential, so dire, and they flip on it on a dime. no, we have to go after russia 1st. i mean, they sincere people or they just buffoons well then up the phones that's, that's part of the problem. and they can be dangerous it because of their ideology, because the way they view the world and this goes back to the start of the cold war . you know, i write this started found most important document for me is a memo, they've george kennan rotan, 948. when he says the u. s. has 6.3 percent of the world's population, but controls 50 percent of the world health. in our how we can to maintain the position of disparity. we live in a world that we're the richest 8 people have more wealth than the poor's for 1000000000 people. more and more people are falling into poverty, you know, and so we have serious, serious crime and that, that,

that we've got that's what neoliberalism is created for all of us. ok, let's go back to cali because what i think is really interesting is that with the rise of the global, so it doesn't seem to be very ideological to me. i mean, i, i look at, you know, sovereignty prosperity. i mean, those are simple ideas to understand and not all this garbage that's coming out of the west rules based order. whatever that means. ok, i mean, i think what we need is more pragmatism in less ideology. go ahead in cali where you know, we need that and we also need to, to always include in the picture, the parasitic relationship, the non exportation this was driving much of the politics here. and also that they understand that we can no longer continue in a relationship of dependency with the global north with of the, the global capital, a system that is dependent on the continuation of the oppression exportation of people around the world. so that's why people don't want to be pulled into this

conflict in europe, even though they are being detrimentally impacted by this conflict. there's also why the u. s. is unable us in europe is unable to, to bring people long, politically, an ideologically, to go to south. because people in a global, remember that job was zalinski and ukraine are tempted to try to renegotiate the dead debt payments with, with europe. we remember that most of the global stop nations failed to get any kind of relief or from, from debt payments at the height of the pandemic. so these kinds of relationships are, are fresh in our minds, did. therefore, these moral appeals to join them in there are glorious struggle against the rushes fall on deaf ears. we recognize again, that until there is a, until we on to mine be the prestige of the west. this notion of the, of the west of being the leaders of humanity. and that we all should be striving to, to, to, to, to, to be a part of that. and to see that as

a model and so on. the west understands of the people the west understand that they no longer can be the sensor. then we're going to continue with this, these appeals to exceptionalism and for that for that to well, i guess the big question is, can we survive the, the period after the american century, we're all going to find out because it's not happening right now. gentlemen, that's all the time we have here. i want to thank my guess and cali with that and assemble. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, remember crossing ah ah ah

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