to launch some terrorist attacks to deal with some damage to our civilian infrastructure. that's true. we are reacting in restraint manner until certain point was nuclear exposure to crane. also, the asio summit here in summer con. com is that the time of yet another bloody escalation between armenia and as it are by john, there were clashes at the border there in the last 10 days. we hear that more than 100 people have been killed from both sides. and of course, during his meeting with mister ali of the leader all visited by john wagner. fulton discussed the situation and we journalist asked why i'm reporting about what the outcome of these conversation was. and he assured that the situation is being normalized right now. the always see member is are currently in yet. yvonne, by the way, mister prussian young, the prime minister of armenia, was also expected here at this time age. but in the last moment, he refused to come due to tensions at the border with either by john and but again

whiten, report and sad and praised the work of all the size involved. that the situation is now being normalized back to you. the few days hasn't ha, thank you for breaking it down for his thoughts. all correspondent maria phenomena reported to his life from his back his time and thank you for joining us. they are naughty, international web back at the top of the hour with the very latest. we'll see you then. ah ah ah

ah ah hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things considered. i'm peter lavelle, official. kevin, it's media trolls have made much of the recent counter offensive. however, there gleeful backing of ukraine has demonstrated beyond a doubt. this is a nato war on russia. the stakes could not be higher. one side will lose and badly cross sucking nato's war on russia. i'm joined by my guess,

garland nixon in washington. he's a political analyst in tampa. we have larry johnson. he is managing partner for burg associates and a former c i a analyst and u. s. department of state counterterrorism official. and here in moscow we have maxine who chop, he is the director of the institute of international studies at moscow state institute of international relations. i, gentleman crosswalk, rules and effect that means can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, let's go to larry 1st in tampa. much has been made about this so counter offensive or on cove, not much was gain, not much was lost at the end of the day, but it's good media fodder. good for the propaganda narrative. what is not mentioned in the narrative is that during the summer, the ukrainian army was destroyed. now we have a nato army with ukrainian foot soldiers and mercenaries, but this is nato's war against russia. agree or disagree with that? go ahead, larry. well it's, it's certainly moving in that direction that there were still ukrainians leaving port, leading the fight on this. but when you look at the quality of the troops,

they were untrained, they had little experience, and they did not know how to properly use the weapons of. it was shocking. an article in the washington post. earlier this week with the interviewed individuals in the hospital, you're wondering on crating and soldiers and when they go through that, these guys are saying, look, we're getting our gun, we're being the, we're losing 5 of us to every one russian that this dying or one ukrainian from the don bass and we don't, we send out 5 shells and we're getting hit with a 100. so that is enabled by the nato nato was making that happen. and i think it, it is. it's becoming a very dangerous situation because i, i think i just saw a comment or a message from russia to, to nato that, you know, if you put in long range was weapons, you have crossed the red line and the russians don't make idle threats. maxime in

this basically the same to you because a, the way it's frame, this is russia and ukraine, but it seems, i mean, in lensky said already in the last few days on seeing that the without american support, he can continue his effort here. and then you have western media sources gleefully saying, yeah, well, the americans and nato, they were out behind the great offensive in konica. i mean, this is, it's not internationalized, it's nato eyes, and it's putting russia against nato. and in the conflict like this, there is no when, when is a i to say that one's going to lose here. this is what i agree with larry, this is getting very scary. go ahead. maxine, well, the thing here is, is not just demands. it kind of a certain reconfiguration of military efforts on the russian side, which i think will happen. and in the short term, it also means if it was on all its force and weight behind ukraine. and it's

clearly the potentials of natal and russia are as symmetric. and, you know, and this kind of conventional warfare rush is likely lose, which is not accepted by moscow that demands really reconfiguring the approach to the warfare and trying to advance for other domains. including non military domains, but seen russia have used these tools as well. but it also demands on the part of russia to more pain on nato countries, including on their, you know, public works for, you know, support for a crane and also their economy standing in the military standing. so indeed, gets us in a more dangerous spite of confrontation, where we're not climbing the escalation. we're jumping the escalation letter,

and there are still some of the lethal military tools that russia has. it says disposal, which it hasn't few so far. so there's still a lot of potential for the escalation, but it only will were some things for everyone. well, guy, let me go to you and watch, and in here we did immediately after they get the so called counter offensive, we saw that the electricity grid and much of ukraine went down. that was no accident, obviously here. and it's a reminder to everyone kind of an echo of what maxime said, is that there's no rush. the russia has a lot of tools and it's tool box still can, it has weapon systems that it has not used where there's no been those strategic bombing isn't been no major attack on command control centers. that's still all out there and it's all very possible. and i, i expected, garland, yes, and there's a hand that russia doesn't even have to play. and that's, you know, general winters about the come riding in on his snowy white into,

into europe. i think, you know, there's a lot of talk about, shall rus russell escalate. i think there is a certain level of desperation within nato and within the countries because they know within the next couple months this thing's going to fall apart for them. i don't think personally russia has to, i would add soldiers simply because some of the areas they lost simply would good was because they didn't have enough personnel on the ground to hold those places and they had to retreat. and of course, on the other side, argued that it was, you know, some kind of a massive defeat. but in reality, if they kind of hold tight and make a few minor adjustments within the next few months. and, you know, the e u countries are going to be in deep and serious trouble. so i don't think russia has to make as big a moves as a lot of people. i think they've got, you know, a lot of things on their times on their side at the role is done with it. ok, well, i'm going to use another phrase here. we go back to larry. here. we heard a lot in afghanistan, you've got the clock. so we've got to time, so in this case,

who's got the clocks and who's got the time larry of russia has both. so the, actually i asked god reader the same exact question on this program and he gave me the same exact answer getting this guy right. so we, we have and coordinate, we didn't coordinate on that, but, but natal does not have the troops to put in to, let's to say that they wanted to back up the ukranian army in florida. and they don't have it. what we've seen in this latest offensive by the u ukrainians is that they don't have the ability to carry out that attack in depth. what that means is they're not only hitting the troops that are in front of them, but they wouldn't be attacking russian airfields russian artillery and placements. they would be disrupting supply centers in the rear, and they would carry that out with fixed wing aircraft rotary wing aircraft missiles. they don't have that. and. and so they're, they're really fighting with,

with not enough weaponry, not enough armament. and they told us that have the capacity to provide that at the same time, europe is literally is into an economic tell spent the germany in particular. and so the economic elements of this is garland, correctly noted. general winter is coming and so this is going to further limit what the west can do. and yet they're becoming more desperate. this, that the euphoria over this in consequential retaking of car cough because it was a tactical withdrawal by the russians. they were not being chased down the street with a bunch of angry ukrainian soldiers. they withdrew ukrainians. come in, they're out in the open. it's much easier to kill. thanks maxime, in the going back to who's got the time and who's got the clocks here. i mean it,

at some point i would imagine to me, it because of the, it's so propagandized the narrative. let's, let's kind of unpack it here. i mean, nato countries are supplying arms to kill russians. okay. so why is russia still exporting energy to europe? well, i guess this is the question that a lot of people you're in russia asking in the sense, you know, it should be understood in the west, which perhaps it is in some circles, but it isn't. and others are there is a lot of pressure on who to take more draconian measures because you have this image of being the worst guy on the planet. but if you, if you, if you look at it from, from the perspective inside russia, even relatively mild and his actions and a lot of people and a lot of surface are putting pressure on the president. and the more decisive way. and you know, you know, you asked about the energy supplies in the summer colon for a deliberate destruction of richardson. wines of supply of way to nature weaponry

to ukraine. which is, you know, happens just occasionally, but probably not enough or for, you know, because these are members are involving and enabling premium offenses. and so for counter offenses. so i think the, the warnings and this is usually the kind of the protocol for the russian diplomacy . there's tons of warning coming of problems. and if they're not listen to then, you know, the certain actions follow the same here. i believe that the russian warnings were not taken seriously november and december last year, right in january to last year. and then we ended up with the type of mass we're dealing with the day. and again, we see some publications and mainstream us near this. it will, russia is blocking, they're not going to do anything. and in some circles, separate more pressure on western capitals, including on the button or ministration to supply more lethal weapons tend to be,

you know, more open about there's support for ukraine that would have consequences. as you accurately noted, theater in your introductory remarks. this is the slide that no party can, can afford to lose. and we know when, when, and, you know, if, if we are to talk to the end game here, there's obviously, there is no, there is some incentives for to, for, to be able to find some political settlements. but the way the west is approaching this conflict is that they can win this war of attrition with maxine, i mean, but you know, i'm sorry and i'm agreeing with you here. but, you know, we had the entire min one in 2 and we have the same interlocutors, they did nothing, then they were not good faith actors. what, why should russia interact with them on, on a political level now? well, obviously i don't disagree with you on this one. it was perhaps a way to suggest that the policy makers in washington should look into the approach

where they can believe that by over financing ukraine over military supplying ukraine. they didn't get an upper hand here. and, you know, not charge any thinking in terms of a political settlement. scary now talking about the red lines in the manner and things like this. there is absolutely, in my view, no appetite for or political sentiment. here. i have no appetite for political settlement. gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on nato's war on russian state with our team. ah ah ah ah, in the least hunter,

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ah, welcome back to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter belcher, manager. we're discussing nato's war on russia. with his collected arlington in dc. i wanna continue the discussion i was having with our maxine carolina, me and it was already mentioned here in december. the russians sent out 2 notes, all ultimatums, whatever you want to call them, to nato,

into the united states. they were turned down, they were not taken seriously about the prospects of a, a military technical reaction to, for russia to ensure its security that was ignored. then we had february 24th. then we had the assembled process. we're lindsley zelinski regime appeared to be on the brink of making some kind of compromise to wind the war down. we know now that boris johnson and others blew it off, said no, we're going to, we won't. if you make a piece, we're not going to be backing it. you don't have, we won't have your back. okay. right. i mean, and we can go back 8 years if you want all the way from the cool. so i don't see any kind of settlement here. there's, you know, joseph brown, which is a buffoon, the chief diplomat for dip for europe. he said that it will be settled on the battlefield. well, that's one thing i agree with him on. go ahead, garland. i don't necessarily agree with him on that and as far as any type of diplomatic settlement, as we say here in the black community in america, there's

a saying that goes like this, which i'm but somebody shows you who they are, i believe. so the reality is they've got understand that the actual clean for the u . s. empire is not to get any kind of a settlement. it's to destroy russia, to tear russia to pieces and to steal the resources. you cannot bargain with someone who plans. that's what a she can't bargain with a wolf, they plan to swallow you whole. so, but the issue, i think, is the battlefield right now. the weakness of nato, the weakness of each is political and economic, so it rushes right now. their strength is to say, well, you've got people in the streets everywhere, they're not happy. you've. you just had a economic turn of events in italy. i mean political in sweden. so realistically, the, the, the right now, one of the things that i think that's happening with the u. s. as in power is coalition. you notice, i don't say nato, because nato is nothing but an umbrella organization for the us to do,

to control europe's foreign policy. but right now their concern is that things are falling apart and if they're colo coalition is going to fall apart with the anger of the citizens. so i, you know, a lot of people think is the battle field. i don't think that's where this things decided. i think when the people of the europe start tearing europe, literally a brick by brick to pieces on either, there will be new leadership in europe, or there won't be much of your left cold, hungry, angry people are not rational and they can be very violent. well, larry, i, i tend to agree with the garland, but the americans will turn to the europeans and say, well, you have to suffer. ok. i mean, you know, that, that's one of the great mysteries for me. you know, we were, we have solidarity westerns off a different the americans, they'll give a hoot what happens to the europeans at all. ok. even less so about the ukrainians . larry right now with their almost being treated as if there are some human over

the human toll, the spin experienced both by the ukrainians and by the russians along the border with ukraine is, is horrific. but the darlin had it right with respect to that when people were cold and hungry, all the other politics disappear. and there is such an enormous disconnect right now between the political lead, shipped in europe and in the united states. and between the people that the average citizen, for example, in germany, they're talking about the 3 and 10 businesses of already calls that people are getting it hits with utility bills that are 56, sometimes 10 times what they were paying long family businesses that endured world war 2, if you can imagine that, like a bakery or being forced to close down. and what is the leadership in germany talking about what we need to set up a fund to promote more green energy?

i mean, good god, it is. it's madness. well, but that's no, i know they are and sorry i was going to add on top of that is that, you know, now there's talk about giving food stamps to america, american military personnel because because of inflation and in the same new cycle that neck, i've lost track, i don't know anybody can tell me how many tranches of military aid has been sent to ukraine this year. i've lost count of last under the number and the, the, the dollar price number here. i mean, i it's, it's amazing it, but i'm agreeing with larry because this is an elite agenda here. maxime, you know, we're talking about the minutia now. but, you know, you're, you're a jew political thinker. there's no way back. i mean february 24th is a line in the sand. um because as i said like with mens $1.00 and $2.00 which is so obscure to western audiences, you know, this is not the 7th or 8th month of this conflict. this is the 8th year of this

conflict. people don't understand that in the west year. but, you know, russia is making a complete re orientation elsewhere. because why would russia under any circumstances right now? do you with any of these western leaders? they're obviously off their rocker. go ahead. look at the i have to say and everyone understands that there is just not just one battle going on. but if you battled some 2 levels of the same time, you know, ukraine is a theater in the new world making meaning, making processes globally. obviously enter one way is the european politicians seek to deal with. it is not to seek solutions for the crisis . and, you know, some kind of deal with russia, so to speak. but the channel, the anger of their people and my colleagues spoke about to russia, right? the common buy it were sula, lately that you can send your, you know, bills to moscow, shows you that there are no solutions for the problems that people have the names

that they want to channel their anger towards rush that's wanting. secondly, they can, like i said, they believe that they buy locate more financial aid and military hardware to ukraine is a solution. what nice not the solution. and there's a new to the concept that i think there's also where is it likely to fail? secondly, i think old mosque, when and washington and brussels and other capitals and was realized that there was a really big a global struggle for the athenians in the hearts and minds of the global south. and the fact that, you know, countries that are not in the west lea, a decisive role. and how, you know, these come to play out in the welfare of russia. and the west is also telling that there is the era of 990 is the kind of the human polar moment is gone and the multiple world is, is in the making. and finally, have to say there is,

as flicks are in between the interest of the united states in europe is the united states has been a lot more pragmatic than the european and exported russian gas in the know and dealing with the price of oil. and exporting other material and resources from russia and trying to hedge their own risks here, and then emerge as a quote unquote mediator in the conflict when on elses finds themselves in terrible shape. that i think is also spotted in moscow. i it, well it's, it's, it's really interesting garland, because the way i look at this here in the big picture of it all the, the entire e u project and this ridiculous offensive organization, nato, it's all on the line right now because everybody's all in on this here, that's why i said in my introduction, one side will lose and badly. and that's the stakes that we see right now. the entire e u project. that thing is, it's a and then, and,

and nato is at stake here. and the russians know it. go ahead, garland. yeah, cuz what we're seeing is a contradiction and obvious contradiction between the u. s. empire and the concept of democracy. and so now we're seeing that the people in europe are figuring out that they don't have democracy. they don't have independence. they don't have sovereignty, they don't have a leadership that is looking out for their constituency, and they're not going to be happy about that. i think you also have to look at this through the context worldwide in the u. s. is trying to up the, the heat on taiwan also. so to some extent, i think we have 3 super powers. i believe we have a fairly responsible government in china, fairly responsible government in russia and a bunch of med dogs in washington. and that, unfortunately, for russia in china, it is kind of incumbent upon their leaders to usher in a new world order without um, provoking or get without getting these mid dogs to a point that they push a nuclear button. i believe it can be done. and i believe that's why rush in china,

so it's showing so much constraint. i think they understand that and i think they will, they will be able to do that. ok, larry, take take a swing at that. that's really interesting. what garland just said there is, are there reasonable enough people in washington to, to get that because we're in the facilities trap. okay. and we see it left, right and centre. are they going to right to make the right make the right decision? evidence would say they won't go ahead. larry. washington is infested with corrupt little of cushions right out all these tiny, tiny people with tiny, tiny brains running around. what has had, what has happened is and gone. correctly noted, the when history looks back at this period, this will be the formation of the new world order in terms of the multi polarity. the end of the united states had gemini in the world, the end of the united states, as the holder of the reserve currency. and the united states did it to itself.

russia did not look for this cause they didn't try to provoke this. russia kept looking and thinking, i think i'm naive, lee, that there was going to be some adult in washington d. c. they would step opposite that. ok, look, let's put all this other nonsense aside. let's talk. and they didn't do that. they said, yeah, we can, we can defeat russia. let's impose sanctions and not a single soul. and the intelligence community is the best i can determine, sat down and said, hey, what do we do about the fact that russia is self sufficient economically, and controls a whole range of commodities and minerals and, and rare earth minerals that do we need in the west to survive. well, let's go ahead and get them on. the interesting thing is, is a rush. oh, they makes up 3 percent of g d global g d p. well, who would have thought that 3 percent was really important?

nobody, nobody sat down the powder of the cost. i mean that's was so truly shocking about this. and now there is literally the economics unami that's headed our way it's going to affect the global depression. if anybody thinks that the collapse of the economy and germany, it will just be an isolated event. then you know that there's no basis to have a discussion with somebody stupid. yeah, well i doubt that that's why you know, i don't watch cable tv outside of tucker carlson or a gentleman. fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guests in washington, tampa, and in moscow. and want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. you next time, remember crossed apples with

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ah, russian president vladimir putin condemned the west saying it's cultivated the idea of destroying russia for decades. he also said the west is using ukraine is a poem to achieve this goal. for song city center has been shown by at least 5 us applied high miles, while kids killing and injuring civilians. we spoke to a local official. he was in an administration building struck by the attack. unfortunately, we have injured and dead and we are now sorting through the rubber people. this ration building is damaged. frankly, we consider this a terrorist attack. the well being of people should be a priority when it comes to economic sanctions according to the africa director for the international.