currency, we're saying they're trying to monopolize specifically bitcoin right now. but the, the, one of the things that they don't really understand the underlying technology, it's encrypt. so we wouldn't say multiplied it, we'd say the centralized, right? the centralized community of people, the fed up with this narrative, we're thing these, the sanctions where basically we're being told who you can be friends with, who you can invite to come to your house. you know, if, if, if i live in london, i can't get my friends to moscow to fly in and see me. and people are fed up with it because we live we, we live in this multi part of, well, i believe already the internet has changed the world phenomenally. and what we would call a web to we now meeting into web 3, which is just going to enhance that and open up the well to even more possibilities . those are the main stories at 9 30 am moscow time. that's all for me, peter scott was i'll be passing the button on to don quarter, who will be here in about half an hour's time. thanks for your company. i

lose . ah! [000:00:00;00] a hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter a little during the cold war. washington policy on europe was to keep the russians out. the americans in the germans down,

in many respects the same policy. we made some play today with the germans. now they have some different ideas. and how is that isolating russia plan going? ah, discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, martin j america. he's an award winning journalist, and commentator. and in budapest we have george samuel lee. he's a podcast or at the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals originally across stock rules. in fact, i mean, you can jump any time you want, and i would appreciate it. i. let's start out with george in budapest because it's quite interesting to me, georgia because of the situation in ukraine. the hall german question has arisen again. ok. and so if i count the decade, this is a 100 year plus from the german question. the germans are not doing

enough. the germans are being too assertive. the germans thinking more about themselves. they are, they want to expand the european union? no matter what comes out of the chance or is office of a sergeant schultz. somebody's got some gripe with it. it's really quite interesting. i don't think it's got nearly enough coverage that exerts your thoughts here. you're right, peter. and what's really troubling is the mounting hysteria in germany because this is a country that obviously is a very talented country, but it's prone to hysteria, was prone to hysteria about russia in particular before. well, one of the game about russia before world war 2 of the saw is re emerging today with sergeant shows as you want it. on the other day, he went to the book fair, and he told them that as the most popular nation was a great to see can only power as a country in the middle of

a continent. our army must become the cornerstone of defense in europe. we paid much attention to this. germany will be the key military power in europe, largely because of the nato. great, and if it's benito, everyone's warrant. and people still imagine that the germans are like the sort of they kind of sneak past this diet. we remember from the seventy's and eighty's. well, that doesn't mean that just because that's the way they were in the seventy's and eighty's doesn't mean that that's the way they're always going to be. they are now openly saying that we need to prepare for a conflict with russia or show so that we need to prepare for a conflict with russia. and again, no one pays any attention to this and a whole talking about you must unite

against russia and europe, and i under germany, this is the biggest, the strongest power in europe. i see, you know, that that's the rub, martin i was, that was the question i was going to be as he usually does here, very quickly. because the way that a schultz, fox, and other german officials, i sometimes wonder where germany begins and you and vice versa. and then again, i was putting up claiming that germany will spend 1000000000 euro on rearmament the 20th century. wasn't that long ago martin go? yeah, yeah, i mean, actually i'm going to sort of closer to the when i don't see $100000000.00 a 100 years is that much money when talking about military spending? because remember, a couple of things. first of all, the military side of germany was under, under finance for right on time is also quite chaotic. so there's a lot of catching up to do. also. they sent

a lot of their kids to ukraine. so like france, they're very much on the results. when it comes to their own military and the real worry, real paranoia, i mean, george really made me laugh. they talked about hysteria. i worked for gym and she knew 10 years. i know about germany, syria, to get me started on that. the real hysteria is there isn't, there is no, no, there are no good final outcome with germany in the ukraine war. because they'll warrant that putin is we'll look for some on to blame if things get worse. and what germany is trying to do is contribute to the ukranian efforts would not be a big player. so that's why they just recently held back sending big guns which ukraine's are really pissed off about. they're also dragging their feet about circle lepper tanks, which may or may not materialize. you know, jenny does not want to be identified as the key deal breaker in the conflict because it is afraid that russia will hit germany. and this is what part of this is

designed to invent a corporal shoots. you make a massage and i think you've given great credit. oh shoot, said in the parliament where you go the deputies roaring. you know for the 1st time and probably 30 is you know, a leader in germany. ashley could say to the parliament, when you spend much more money, i'm going to be spending. and not everybody went, oh no, we really should think about that. i mean, let's look at history. you know, we're going to go to a low baseline. however, we're given history, i have to be delicate here, given history. once the germans put their mind to something they tend to take on a life of its own here and take the hysteria. and i think that's a good word, a hysteria about what's going on in ukraine, which should have been very avoidable. but this is a, it, george, this is a kind of a vector where we see with a germany in the you are synonymous. i mean, the joints mark, everybody adored in germany,

and they accepted the you or the euro because it was the replacement for the deutsche mark. and so you know that this is essentially a pro german agenda with and george with expansion. well, obviously these are for german goods to go to, i mean, this is a pattern from the 20th century before the 1st and 2nd world war. go ahead. yes it is. and it's very interesting. the german is now pushing for the expansion of the you. and while the germans are aware that it's not going to be easy to get any countries into the, you know, less, i can create that kind of a de facto, you know, just by having association agreements and so on. so now i'm pushing for georgia and moldova, a inside the you, why are they doing this? well, other than the george, and we'll go very useful as

a weapon against russia. everything that, you know, sergeant shoot, said, was about how do we mobilize against russia? russia is the of, you know, this is, you know, we are our values ah, alien to run it, but he was projecting on to put in is defining himself in opposition to nature rather than we, we, europeans, under german leadership defining ourselves in opposition to we've heard this before exactly, that's why it's so striking that there's this kind of talk which is very different from the talk in germany, in the 970. this is much, much the, the old style germany. and again, you have to go back to 1990. when there were a lot of people concerned about german reunification, including the united kingdom and france and johnson elmwood goal. he wrote a letter to all of the leaders of the world and said,

chance will only piece will emanate from german soil. and i guess people were reassured, sold off by that. that was few months later, germany went ahead, recognize croatians, lenient, but this late germany is quite clever in the way it plays the game and it wants to present itself on the one hand as well. really, you know, you know, you know, what we say goes on the other. well, you know, we have a historic responsibility with a trouble and we don't like war. and really, we don't, you know, we don't want to send these particular weapons, but they do send this where they are getting involved in ukraine. that's why all the historic presidents, they are very actively involved in great training. your grades. i mean, i was going back to the 940 s when they're actually actively trading ukrainians. well, and also as a sidebar here. oh it is. so we know germany,

reparations for the 2nd world war. i just separate the line, the ball this i think, you know what we're saying here is true. but what does washington think of all of this? you know, having a strong germany is ok to a certain extent. as promised. germany doesn't challenge america with gemini in europe. and of this whole situation with ukraine has solidified america with gemini as the expensive europeans, which of course, we all know. so this germany is angling per repositioning itself in europe. it still has to be under the aspect of washington control box. well, does it, i mean, i was in a nice done in 2008 on a french general that told me the big thinking from france was to create a european pillar with in nature. and i wonder whether germany isn't it's just now to soldier ahead to give the palm with a new military spending bonanza, you know,

$100000000.01 shots, and about $70000000000.00 a year, which is more or less in line with britain. france. i wonder whether this is a way of signaling to america. look, we are going to go ahead. we are going to go to shoot me. probably a few other member states will join us in any excursions around the world that we like to get involved in. you know, a bit of dabbling and a few conflicts in the middle east. maybe a bit of a few boat patrols off the coast of libya. the conflict in africa. you know, the sort of thing is, is germany forming by default. and he, you are me because the federalists in brussels. i was there for 10 years. it was pretty boring. i can tell you. for 10 years all i heard was over and over again. you know, we needed to you army and macaroni push this since you crime they did the inner pins come for me or any on the they can't decide on budget. they can't decide who runs it. is it some bureaucrat in brussels? usually i can see if there is a mistake, you know, the germans,

i think by default by going ahead with this plan, i'll probably signaling that hey, we can, how many you are me. but it will be an informal one lent by the germans for, for doing their peacekeeping or humanitarian work around the world and a, be a few people to join it like romanians indicated they would be italian spanish and maybe the french as well. and it will be called a new army by default, but it won't be of brussels you on. it'll be one led by germany, which is the horrible nightmares of brussels for last 30 years. you know, come out to you army, which isn't led by germany units and also nightmare don't forgetful german people. lot of people in germany are really uncomfortable about any kind of strong military force around the world, you know, throwing its way to ruin. and i was in, when i was in afghanistan, i spent a day with german army on the topic stump afghanistan border. and the, another general of their slave talking to me about, you know, may be germany at one point in the future, doing its own thing around the world with these friendships. you know,

so we've got all this to look for to my guess is that germany will forge ahead with the so called you army, which is going to cause all sorts of problems. politically, within europe, it's going to cause problems with the americans, because then, you know, what do we do about nato? does that still have it? so it's, it's, it's cloud, its influence around the world with europeans on board. you know, and i'm, i would guess i would put a wager done with the next conflict of this so called new you or me, gets involved in the brussels will stop the last moment and convince the germans to put an e. you on banned all the soldiers that colony you are me anyway. i don't know. i gotta jump in here. we're going to go to a short break after that chopper book it in or discussion and some will say ah,

i was told before the morning, my dad was much of it, but at the moment that there isn't any, it was just on the horse. don't get on i natural, i'm just needed someone to do it, but my just them really kind of so there's natural, national. what time i see much in my will come and get a slight better. but i saw that if so, jill, which is i'm sure i get into the system, but also those because i thought i should deal on that because i said that was an american. yes. special. a motion thing is you need to know partial team that we're almost jamalia pretty much that's the window,

it was moderation. what was it if the machine is for the most complex for mac mall, but i don't know if she'll do or the son or my less the won't go in and get it to the she just won't listen to me when you get it all as a safe, but from august telling me about this, and i'm not sure anything complex bonuses me deal. and and so i'm guessing, you know, the mostly in the blood school, but i will support an appoint also. boy, when i looked at it up under my son just to know, but i mean you're going it will, but the more than a motion and the physician will i for the mobile, the region. yes. before the video, i'm going to go or i'm going is way, way much in the way when you read for

a to me. but i'm, i will, local bar tours was that you were, i'd like to sit in the machine. i wish i was a boss. now to stay below ryan is actually one of those really principal belonging as of asia. yeah. push locks. i mean you can go priscilla. it was a shoot me a notion was a shuttle for, is it a sewer can us after this is want to refer for see where. mm. ebersole early been that i saw was theresa, i showed a man that owners are broken as up. neural go. said see the in the same it about them? i was a little day, no longer custodians. a john welcome back. across that were all things considered. i peter, well this is the home addition remind you were discussing some real news.

ah. all right, let's go back to georgia, budapest here. you like to react to what martin had to say before we went to the break? well, i think it is going to be a delegation of responsibilities. i think the, the americans will be quite happy to see germany, ron, the european branch of nature and as father, my kind of global nature, which i think is what the united states will like to create. the americans will focus on the far east as part of the containment of china. america can be everywhere the whole time. so i think that's why i think germany will be very useful as america, loyal tenants in europe. and, but it's interestingly it's, it's kind of the soviet nightmare from the 960, which is there were suspected that some i went to what's west germany becomes real . and it basically will take over nato and, and they, you know,

essentially america will be doing germany's bidding. thing was the slime. all of them are just doing america bidding or some combination of the to learn. i mean, history still intrudes here. i mean, like i mentioned, this is a sidebar. poland is so in germany for reparations. the 2nd world war. and then when we hear them germany, they may be putting some tank battalion in the baltic. republics. i mean, those of us that know history and it's like, wow, it didn't take that long for a certain pattern direct to repeat itself here. it's not the having a european army run by the germans is there's a lot of people swallowing very hard. ok. i mean, there, it's still, there are some people still alive, remembering that conflict, i don't think it's i don't think you can do that. they slip that easy. go ahead. yeah, but i think the real world is that we go over this line of simply humanitarian work or 8 work around the world. and we start getting small shipments conflicts. i mean,

to point to george much about americans and nature in china. just want to be there as well. they want to be and right to taiwan, as well as they've indicated that as this starts to let you know, ring alarm bells. when we talk about russia, you know, we should forget history. we shouldn't forget the most politicians of shows, era, sil, of a huge, huge complex about what happened in russia. they got their asses kicked. i mean, really kicked in, not just inside grad, but before moscow as well. you know, of what the world will serious bbc is. very good. so i think we should, we should always remember that i think the german elite keep changing the minds that keep jumping above all over the place woman if they want to be gung ho next minute, they want us to retract and they don't really know how to handle the situation they, i think the real worry you know, is that this, this coalition government, which is incredibly inexperience, which has green su, seem to be bang in the war drum. the same greens, who in the eighty's campaign against nato campaign against the, the german army expanding and now laid that along to want to bump that out of

ukraine. there's a lot of confusion and i think come, we need a sobriety when we talk about germany and on and i don't know where that comes from . but some, let's see how things pan out i, i think think i, there will be a certain restraint on the germans site or in the coming weeks when we see the next move by putin in ukraine. you know, i don't see german as the best. the warmongers, as the ones are really champion tempting any conflict as we worry, they don't have a good history on that. even recently, they still, you know, one of the things, it's not mentioned about german military complex. it is really badly organized and has a lot of corruption. you know, so what else we, we, we expect to happen isn't gonna happen very quickly, which will about ukraine when we talk about arming anything around the world. i think the european union is going to step in. i think it's going to be a huge debate now in european parliament don't love the only parliament in the world that doesn't try. a proposed roughly deflation is a disney world. i think we're going to have

a debate in brussels and i think you are gonna see the emergence of some sort of, you army, probably with germany leading because the willows aren't you? well, hey, we put the most money into the pot, you know, and that's always been the argument. you know, it will be the same. and i think that's the reason why the companies magic number 100000000 and we're going be on the 2 percent. i'm national g to be budget because you know, there is a signal this other member states, hey, if you do the same thing, then you could become part of a club. and you know, we've got a few ideas about place who let to go in the world, you know, and maybe even the french would like to turn to the gym to say, hey, we got some real problems in some rich colonies in france. we kicked us out like molly, you know, perhaps you could help with that. you can see the picture on it. just look, just look where rushes filled, the vacuum in africa. and you can see where german plans, you know, i mean it was a report in the german poem and about 2 or 3 years ago i read about it, which said, we must do more independently around the world with our military. that should be

worrying to, of your use or it started george. or i do want to switch gears here a little bit. george, it, at the, the reaction western reactions, the russian special but military operation. ukraine was through 2 things. break the back of the russian economy and isolate russia, the global stake. well, number one, economy is book an initial hit, but it's absorb the sanctions. i can tell our audience here. most russians are not aware of safety on there. ok. that's how people feel. second, one, isolating rush on the global stage. that's now working out too well. also, george, the global south is basically shrugged it off as a european problem. even if you look at some of the major countries in the global south actually saying, well, but, you know, the west, you created this, you fix it. why should we get on board? and, and because europe has gone down this idiot, it energy policy and you just say the psychotic. as far as i can see, ok, and everyone will take the large se,

let's take the slack. why not keep energy made you rich? it's going to make us rich here. ok, so i mean, so why don't we put in his foreign minister and they have plenty of people to meet . and you know, as we have the general assembly in the united nations general assembly, a lot of people want to talk to the russian is that plan of isolation is working. george is quite remarkable. and this russia, that is a demonized, you know, we talk about the in germany, but it's a, he's, there is right, europe in the united states. and every media store you read russia is isolate that protein facing increasing supplementing isolation. so he goes to some and he has meetings with very well meeting is a meeting with, again, very warm. and that won't talking about cooperation. all the different projects that they going to be working on. you know,

the trade agreements that they get to sign this just know in anything in there. i think it was russia to, i want the, you know, the western and russia, and that's why, you know, you really feel the west is just completely living in its own delusional world and not realizing that's the rest of the world. you know, this is the, you know, the, the most populous nations of the work to not look at one russia and ukraine in the way that the western countries, they a lot of sympathy for russia. and they have concerns due to lack of knowledge that they have concerns. and obviously everyone has concerns about a war. let's dragging on, seemingly inclusively. but they regard russia as a partner. and that's something that the west is completely failed to take on board . and it is really the result of long standing soviet and then russian

diplomacy that they have no very solid relations with many of the emerging countries in the world. and interesting, i mean, obviously the conflict in ukraine is front and center and it's, it's the vector which everyone decides. again, condemn whatever. but, you know, i look at, in the broader sense that there is, there's the rejection of this roles. water, which i have no idea what that means. no one really does. and i would just say go even further. western western values and culture, it's more and more alien to most of the world. this walk is post modernism. this is something that most people the world can't make heads or tails. maybe they'll see like some kind of chuckle. but that's something that most of the world has no like, no interest in embracing at all. it's again, a west west is very alien to most of the world. yeah,

and i think that the real world is to, is the people around the world come home to fake this whole ideology has become people in western countries don't even believe anymore in those western values. last few days in britain i've been short to see on social media a number of people who have been arrested for protesting the queen's funeral. sometimes just with a white piece of paper saying, my king, you know, we've been coming to town in states in the west and it wanted me to buy millimeter . you know, salami slice by salamis, light is happening. and i'm so it's very difficult for people to take the ukraine will, seriously, if we keep on bang on this, john bout democracy in western values. anita, particularly when we're funded to a large extent near nancy groups to do some really awful works. anyway, media just become so polarized and so it just, it just emits, you know,

the media now just admits the stories that he doesn't want to to, to run which, which, which conflict with narrative and run the stories that those wants. what just yesterday we saw repulse and france 24 of this huge mass grave supposedly discovered by ukraine and so does. but if you dig a little bit deeper, look into it. it actually wasn't a mass grave. it was a graveyard. i had, you know, when people were buried in coffins i'll, you know, names of own crosses, you know. and but, you know, the, a few western germans were invited along to film it and to dish out the moral tutelage to us all, you know, and i wonder how long is it going a lot. i wonder how long you know, people are actually going to swallow this nonsense. we've got a g 20 meeting coming up very soon, which i suspect who will attend. but most western leaders will not attend themselves. they'll send dignitaries or envoys or whatever, you know this i'm in the middle of people dropping dead freezing to death in the u . k. for example, during winter, i think, you know, media i can see in britain is already turning and are asking some harder and harder

questions than else. then i'll staying at what is really the justification of this war. and i just recently, a british tabloid right. huge page where it compared all the sanctions that we impose on russia, but the russians were having a cheaper food, cheaper energy, you know, and people boasting on social media, they're running up boss all day long. you know, and in britain, you know, we've literally almost become a 3rd world country. it's not a joke. you know, people can afford to eat animal and this, this slogan, all social media, heat or eat is going to be a hash tag. recindes isn't already, you know, and people are going to start asking more more questions on when we boycott that g 20 meeting. i think there's going to be a turn around in western opinion because a lot in this program, we always ask questions here as why people watch. it's all right. what we run out of time on my guest book. that's what i think our viewers for watching us here are you see you next time? remember?

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