tv Cross Talk RT September 19, 2022 10:30am-11:01am EDT
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is the mounting hysteria in germany. it's because this is a country that obviously is a very talented country, but it pro, to hysteria was prone to hysteria about russia in particular before. well, one of the game, russia before world war 2 of the saw is re emerging today with sergeant shows as you want it. the other day he went to the book fair. and he told them that as the most popular nation was a great to see can only power as a country in the middle of a continent. our army must become the cornerstone of defense in europe. we paid much attention to this. germany will be the key military power in europe, largely because you know that, you know, nato great. and if it's the nato, everyone's warrant. and people still imagine that the germans are like the sort of they kind of the snake. this guy, we remember from the seventy's and eighty's,
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but that doesn't mean that just because that's the way they were in the seventy's and eighty's doesn't mean that that's the way they're always going to be. they are now openly saying that we need to prepare for a conflict with russia or show that we need to prepare for a conflict with russia. and again, no one pays any attention to this. and there's a whole talking about europe must unite against russia and europe. and i under jo menosis is the biggest, the strongest power in europe. i see, you know, that that's the rub. martin, i was, that was the question i was going to be as he usually does here, very quickly because the way the shields fox and other german officials, i sometimes wonder where germany begins and you and vice versa. and then
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again, i was putting up claiming that germany will spend 1000000000 euro on rearmament the 20th century. wasn't that long ago martin go? yeah, yeah, i mean, actually i'm going to sort of closer to the when i, i don't think 100000000 to 100 years is that much money when talking about military spending? because remember, a couple of things. first of all, the military side of germany was under, under finance for right on time is also quite chaotic. so there's a lot of catching up to do. also. they sent a lot of their kids to your crime. so like france, they're very much on the results when it comes to their own military and the real world paranoia, i mean george really made me love the talked about hysteria. i worked for jim and tv, which i guess i know about jim and just to get started on that real hysteria is there isn't, there is no, no, there are no good final outcomes for germany in the ukraine war because they'll
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warrant that putin is we'll look for some on to blame, if things get worse. and what germany is trying to do is contribute to the ukrainian efforts would not be a big player. so that's why they just recently held back sending big guns which ukraine's are really pissed off about that also dragging their feet about circle leopard tanks, which may or may not materialize. you know, germany does not want to be identified as the key deal breaker in the conflict, because it is afraid that russia will hit germany. and this is what part of this is designed to invent a corporal shoots you. you make a massage and i think you've given great credit co shoot that in the parliament where you go the deputies roaring. you know for the 1st time and probably 30 is you know, a leader in germany. ashley could say to the parliament, when you spend much more money on going to be spending and not everybody went, oh no, we really should think about that. i mean, let's look at history. you know,
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we're going to go to a low baseline. however, i'm giving history, i have to be done in history. once the germans put their mind to something they tend to take on a lie of its own here and the hysteria. and i think that's a good word, a hysteria about what's going on in ukraine, which should have been very avoidable. but this is george. this is a kind of a vector where we see where the germany and the you are synonymous. i mean, the joints mark, everybody adored in germany, and they accepted the you or the euro because it was the replacement for the deutsche mark. and so you know that this is essentially a pro german agenda with and george with expansion. well, obviously these are for german goods to go to, i mean, this is a pattern from the 20th century before the 1st and 2nd world war. go ahead. yes it
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is. and it's very interesting. the german is now pushing for this expansion of the you and one of the germans are aware that it's not going to be easy to get any countries into the, you know, less. i can create that kind of a de facto, you know, just by having association agreements and so on. so now i'm pushing for georgia and moldova, a inside the you. why are they doing this? well, other than the george and we'll go very useful as a weapon against russia. everything that, you know, sergeant shoot, said, was about how do we mobilize against russia? russia is the, you know, this is, you know, we all values ah alien to run it. but he was projecting on to put in is defining himself in opposition to the nature rather than we, we, europeans,
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under german leadership defining ourselves in opposition to russia. or exactly, that's nice, nice why it's so striking that there's this kind of which is very different from the talk in germany, in the 970. this is much, much the, the old style germany. and again, you have to go back to 1990. when there were a lot of people concerned about german reunification, including the united kingdom and france. and john say almost goal. he wrote a letter to all of the leaders of the wells and said, tense will only piece will emanate from german soil. and i guess people were reassured, sold off by the 1st few months later. germany went ahead, recognize croatians losing him. but this is late, germany is quite clever in the way it plays the game any it wants to present itself on the one hand as well. really, you know, you know, you know,
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what we say goes on the other. well, you know, we have a historic responsibility with a trouble, and we don't like war. and really we go, you know, we don't want to send these particular weapons, but they do send this weapons. they are getting involved in ukraine. that's why all the historic presidents, they are very actively involved in your grade and training ukrainians. i mean, i was going back to the 1940 s when they're actually actively trained ukrainians. well, and also as a side bar here, boeing is suing germany. reparations for the 2nd world war as a separate market. we the line the ball this, i think, you know what we're saying here is true. but what does washington think of all of this? you know, having a strong germany is ok to a certain extent, as promised. germany doesn't challenge america with gemini in europe. and of this whole situation with ukraine has solidified america with gemini at the expense of
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the europeans, which of course, we all know that. so this, germany is angling for repositioning itself in europe. it still has to be under the auspices of washing it's control box. well, does it, i mean i was in, it was done in 2008 on a french general that told me the big thinking from france was to create a european pillar within nature. and i wonder whether germany is in this just now to soldier. i had to give the palm with a new military spending bonanza, you know, $100000000.01 shot and about $70000000000.00 a year, which is more or less in line with britain, france. i wonder whether this is a way of signaling to america. look, we are going to go ahead. we are going to build this huge omby. probably a few other member states will join us in any excursions around the world that we like to get involved in. you know, a bit of the dabbling and a few conflicts in the middle east. maybe a bit of
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a few boat patrols because of libya, old conflict in africa. you know, the sort of thing is, is, is germany forming by default. and he, you army, because the federalists in brussels. i was there for 10 years. it was pretty boring . i can tell you. for 10 years all i heard was over and over again. you know, we needed to you army and macaroni push this since you crime. they did the inner pins, come for me, are you on the they can't decide on budget. they can't decide who runs it. is it some bureaucrat in brussels? usually i can see if there is a mistake. you know, the germans, i think by default, by going ahead with this plan, i'll probably signaling that hey, we can, how many you are me. but it will be an informal one lent by the germans for doing their peacekeeping or humanitarian work around the world. and a be a few people to join it like romanians indicated they would be italian spanish and maybe the french as well. and it will be coney, you army by default,
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but it won't be a brussels you on. it'll be one led by germany, which is the horrible nightmares of brussels below that he is coming out to you on me, which is led by germany and also my against the german people. a lot of people can jump, they are really uncomfortable about any kind of strong military force around the world, you know, throwing its way to ruin. and i was in, when i was in afghanistan, i spent a day with german army on the tougher stump of canister border. and, you know, general of best i talking to me about, you know, may be germany at one point in the future, doing its own thing around the world with these friendships. you know, so we've got all this to look for to my guess is that germany will forge ahead with the so called you army, which is going to cause all sorts of problems. politically, within europe, it's going to cause problems with the americans, because then you know what we do about nato. does that still have it? so it's, it's, it's cloud, its influence around the world with europeans on board. you know, and i'm,
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i would guess i would put a wager that within next conflict of this so called new you or me get some golden. the brussels will step up the last moment and convince the germans to put an e. u on band on all the soldiers that colon the you army anyway. i don't know, i gotta jump in here. we're going to go to a short break after that job. rickety, more discussion and some real will say, ah, the must. i'm william, i do it on a list of them only so that yeah so but there isn't any difference on the horse to don't get on i
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natural, i'm just needed someone to do it, but i live them. i just it them like out of here. so there's natural, national, what time i see much in my will come and get a slight better price on the roof for joe, which shall i get into the system. but also because i thought i should deal on that because i said that was in the middle. yes . specials. the emotional thing is you need to know the whole team were almost more like when you march the window, it was marshal with the machine. this wasn't very complex for me. one moment. i don't know what to shield your son or my last the won't do it, and it should just sit down to mutual go when you get it all in good faith. but marcus, telling me about this, and you think it'll be complex bonuses good deal and now i'm chest and you
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know, i mostly in the bush with a failure, but i will look up on the point. there's also more we will pretty much just to know, but i mean, you're going to put them on the machine and the physician will i put it in one of the videos. i'm going to go or video. i'm going is by way, much in that way. when you're ready to go but i'm i will oh bonnie torres was that your brother said in the machine. i wish i'd be surprised now to stay below ryan. if either one of those are the principal belonging as a leisure be able to shock. so i mean, you can pull priscilla, it was a shoot me a note from little erica stuart kind of stuff. just wanted to refer for see where mm. referral or
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a bill that i saw was theresa. i showed a man that owners had broken as up middle go said she, he had the same it about them, a national belonging custodians of it. mm. mm. a welcome back across that were all things considered. i peter, well this is the home edition. remind you were discussing some real news. ah right. let's go back to georgia, budapest here. you like to react to what martin had to say before we went to the
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break? well, i think it is going to be a delegation of responsibilities. i think the, the americans will be quite happy to see germany run the european branch of nature and as father kind of global nature, which i think is what the united states would like to create. the americans will focus on the far east as part of the containment of china. america can be everywhere the whole time. so i think that's why i think germany will be useful as america, loyal of tenants in europe and, but it's, interestingly it's, it's kind of the soviet nightmare from the $960.00, which is, they were suspected that some i went to what's whence germany becomes very young and it basically will take over nato and, and they, you know, essentially america will be doing germany's bidding, being one of the slime. all of them are just doing america's bidding or some combination of the to learn. i mean, history still intrudes here. i mean,
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like i mentioned, this is a sidebar. poland is doing germany for reparation. the 2nd world war and then when we hear them, germany, maybe i'm putting some tank battalion in the baltic. republics. i mean, those of us that know history and it's like, wow, it didn't take that long for a certain pattern to, to repeat itself here. it's not the having a european army run by the germans is there's a lot of people swallowing very hard. ok. i mean there, it's still, there are some people still alive? remembering that conflict, i don't think it. i don't think you can do that. they slip that easy. go ahead. yeah, but i think the real world is that we go over this line of simply come humanitarian work or 8 work around the world and we start getting more serious conflicts. i mean, the point that george made about americans of nature and china, joan was want to be those, well, they want to be and right to taiwan, as well as they've indicated that. and so this starts to ring, alarm bells, when we talk about russia, you know,
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we should forget history. we shouldn't forget that most politicians of short era, sil, of a huge, huge complex about what happened in russia. they got their asses kicked. i mean, really kicked in, not just inside grand, but before moscow as well. you know, of what the world will serious bbc is. very good. so i think we should, we should always remember that i think the german elite keep changing the minds that keep jumping above all over the place woman if they want to be gung ho next minute, they want us to retract and they don't really know how to handle the situation they, i think the real worry, you know, is that this, this coalition government, which is incredibly an experience which has green su, seem to be bang in the war drum. the same greens, who in the eighty's campaign against nato campaign against the, the german army expanding and now they've, they're the ones who want to bump that out of ukraine. there's a lot of confusion and i think come, we need a sobriety. when we talk about germany and on and i don't know where that comes from, but some let's see how things pan out i, i think think i, there will be
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a certain restraint on the germans side or in the coming weeks when we see the next move by putin in ukraine, you know, i don't see german as the best. the warmongers as the ones are really champion jumping any conflict as we worry. they don't have a good history on that. even recently, they still, you know, one of the things, it's not mentioned about german ministry complex. it is really badly organized and has a lot of corruption. you know, so whatever we we, we expect to happen isn't gonna happen very quickly, which will about ukraine when we talk about arming anything around the world. i think the european union is going to step in, i think is going to be a huge debate now in european parliament. don't love the only parliament in the world that doesn't try hope. a proposed roughly deflation is a disney world. i think we're going to have a debate in brussels and i think you are going to see the emergence of some sort of you on the probably with germany leading because tell me what was on you. well hey, we put the most money into the pot. you know, and that's always been the argument,
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you know, it would be the same. and i think that's the reason why the company is magic number of a 100000000. and we're going to be on the 2 percent. i'm national g to be budget because you know, there is a signal this other member states, hey, if you do the same thing, then you could become part of a club. and you know, we got a few ideas about place who let to go in the world, you know, and maybe even the french would like to turn to the gym to say, hey, we got some real problems in some rich colonies in france. we kicked us out like molly, you know, perhaps you could help with that. you can see the picture on it. you just look just look where rushes filled, the vacuum in africa. and you can see where german planners, you know, i mean, there was a report in the german poem and about 2 or 3 years ago, read about it, which said, we must do more independently around the world with our military. that should be worrying some of your views or it started george. or i do want to switch gears here a little bit. george, it, at the, the reaction western react russian special, but military operation. ukraine was through 2 things,
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break the back of the russian economy and isolate russia, doorbells, well, number one, economy is that initial hit, but it's absorb the sanctions. i can tell our audience here. most russians are not aware of say on there. ok, that's how people feel it. second one isolating rush on the global stage. that's now working out too well. also george, the global south is basically shrugged it off as a european problem. even if you look at some of the major countries in the global south actually saying, well, but, you know, the west, you created this, you fix it. why should we get on board? and, and because europe has gone down this idiot, it energy policy. i'm, you just say the psychotic as far as i can see. ok, and everyone will take the large se, let's take the slack. why not keep energy made you rich? it's going to make us rich here. so, i mean, so why don't we put in his foreign minister and they have plenty of people to meet
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. and you know, as we have the general assembly in the united nations general assembly, lot of people want to talk to the russian is that plan of isolation is working george. that is quite remarkable. and this russia, that is a demonized, you know, with syria in germany, but it's a series throughout europe in the united states. and every media store you read russia is isolate that protein facing increasing the amount of isolation. so he goes to some and he has meetings with a very warm meeting. he has a meeting with, again, a very warm. and that was talking about cooperation. all the different projects that they going to be working on. you know, that the trade agreements that they get to sign this just knowing anything in there . i think it was russia to, i want the, you know, the western and your daughter, russia. and that's why, you know, you really feel the west is just completely living in its own delusional world and
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not realizing that's the rest of the world. you know, this is, you know, the most populous ations of the, one to not look at one, russia and ukraine in the way that the western countries, they a lot of sympathy for russia and they have concerns boot in, acknowledge that they have concerns them. and obviously everyone has concerns about a war that's dragging on seemingly inclusively, but they regard russia as a partner. and that's something that the west is completely failed to take on board . and it is really the result of long standing soviet and then russian diplomacy that they have no very solid relations with many of the emerging countries in the world. and it's interesting, i mean, obviously the conflict in ukraine is front and center and it's, it's
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a vector which everyone decides against condemn, whatever. but, you know, i look at, in a broader sense that there is, there's a rejection of this roles based order, which i have no idea what that means. no one really does. and i would just say, well, even further, western western values and culture, it's more and more alien to most of the world. this walk is post modernism. this is something that most people, the world can't make heads or tails. maybe they'll see net legs and kind of chuckle, but that's something that most of the world has no like, no interest in embracing at all. it's again by the west west. it's very alien to most of the world. yeah, and i think that the real world is to, is the people around the world come home to fake this whole ideology has become people in western countries don't even believe anymore in those western values.
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last few days in britain, i've been short to see on social media a number of people who have been arrested for protesting the queen's funeral. sometimes just with a white piece of paper saying, my king, you know, we've been coming to turn states in the west and it wanted me to buy millimeter. you know salamis slice by salamis, light is happening, and i'm so it's very difficult for people to take the grand war. seriously if we keep on bang on this john bout democracy in western values. anita, particularly when we're funded to a large extent near nancy groups to do some really awful works. anyway, media just become so polarized and so it just, it just emits, you know, the media now just admits the stories, but he doesn't want to to, to run which, which, which conflict with narrative and run the stories that us wants. what just yesterday we saw reports from france, 24 of this huge mass grave, supposedly discovered by ukraine soldiers. but if you dig a little bit deeper,
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look into it. it actually wasn't a mass grave. it was a graveyard. i had, you know, when people were buried in coffins i'll, you know, names of own crosses, you know. and, but, you know, the, a few western germans were invited along to film it and to dish out the moral tutelage to us. so, you know, and i wonder how long is it going a lot. i wonder how long you know, people are actually going to swallow this nonsense. we've got a g 20 meeting coming up very soon, which i suspect who will attend. but most western leaders will not attend themselves. they'll send dignitaries or envoys or whatever. you know this, i'm in the middle of people dropping dead freezing to death in the u. k. for example, during winter, i think, you know, media i can see in britain is already turning and are asking some harder and harder questions than else. then i'll staying at what is really the justification of this war. and i just recently, a british tabloid right. huge page where it compared all the sanctions that we impose on russia, but the russians were having a cheaper food, cheaper energy,
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you know, and people boasting on social media, they're running out boss all day long. you know, and in britain, you know, we've literally almost become a 3rd world country. it's not a joke. you know, people can afford to eat more on this. this slogan, all social media, heat or eat is going to be a hash tag. nursing isn't already, you know, and people are going to start asking more more questions. i'm, when we boycott that g 20 meeting. i think there's going to be a turn around in western opinion. you know, because a lot in this program we always ask questions here. that's why people watch. it's all right when we run out of time, want to thank my guess america. that's what i think our viewers are watching us here. are you see you next time? remember? oh, only one main thing is important for knox. ism internationally speaking, that is,
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that nation's allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the mind in a sense, while the slaves, americans, proc obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this danger is boy man that wants to take over the world. that was a conscious strategy. so some of it on your own, i not leashed. it often zip on and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move east. the reason us, hey jim, it is so dangerous, is it? the law is the sovereignty of all the countries. the exceptionalism that america uses in its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nato, what is founded shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large obs
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companies would lose millions and millions or is business and businesses good. and that is the reality of what we're facing, which is fashion. and oh, when i looked showed the wrong one, i just don't know any world that you have to see out disdain becomes the advocate. an engagement equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look so common ground. ah
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ah, it's a horrifying and disturbing scene. many people were killed in your store. disturbing image is coming from don't boss where the 13 people, including 2 children killed in massive artillery shell like ukrainian folks don't. yet if you stand according to local authorities, we have from residence that the shell flew right over my head right here. the only thing that saved me was that i stepped out clipping the narrative with the media now say broad, even the city of is the i'm show signs of.
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