tv Cross Talk RT September 19, 2022 2:30pm-3:01pm EDT
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1000000000 euro rearmament you know, the 20th century wasn't that long ago martin go? yeah. yeah, i mean, actually i'm going to sort of cushions of the when i don't see $100000000000.00 a 100 years is that much money when talking about minutes she's spending, remember a couple of things. first of all, the minute she side of germany was under, under finance for right on time is also quite chaotic. so there's a lot of catching up to do. also. they sent a lot of their kids to ukraine. so like france, they're very much on the results when it comes to their own military and the real worry. real paranoia, i mean, george really made me laugh. they talked about hysteria. i work for gym and tv, which i'm years i know about germany, syria, to get me started on that. real hysteria is there isn't, there is no, no, there are no good final outcomes for germany in the ukraine war. because they'll warrant that putin is we'll look for some on to blame if things get worse. and what germany is trying to do is contribute to the ukranian efforts would not be
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a big player. so that's why they just recently held back sending big guns which ukraine's are really pissed off about. they're also dragging their feet about circle leper tanks, which may or may not materialize. you know, jenny does not want to be identified as the key deal breaker in the conflict because it is afraid that russia will hit germany. and this is what part of this is designed to invent a corporal shoots. you make a massage and i think you've given great credit co shoot, said in the parliament where you go, the deputies roaring. you know for the 1st time and probably 30 is you know, a leader in germany. ashley could say to the parliament, when you spend much more money, i'm going to be spending. and not everybody went, oh no, we really should think about that. i mean, let's look at history. you know, we're going to go to a low baseline. however, we're giving history, i have to be delicate here, given history. once the germans put their mind to something they tend to take on
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a life of its own here and take the hysteria. and i think that's a good word, the hysteria about what's going on and you cry, which should have been very avoidable. but this is george. this is a kind of a vector where we see with a germany in the you are synonymous. i mean, the joints mark, everybody adored in germany, and they accepted the you or the euro because it was a replacement for the deutsche mark. and so you know that this is essentially a pro german agenda with and george with expansion. well, obviously these are for german goods to go to, i mean, this is a pattern from the 20th century before the 1st and 2nd world war. go ahead. yes it is. and it's very interesting. the german is now pushing for this expansion of the you and why the germans are aware that it's not going to be easy to get any
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countries into the, you know, less. i can create that kind of a de facto, you know, just by having association agreements and so on. so now i'm pushing for georgia and moldova, a inside the you. why are they doing this? well, other than the george and we'll go very useful as a weapon against russia. everything that, you know, sergeant shoot, said, was about how do we mobilize against russia. russia, is the of, you know, this is, you know, we all values ah alien to run it. but he was projecting on to put in is defining himself in opposition to the nature rather than we, we, europeans, under german leadership defining ourselves in opposition to we've heard this before. exactly. that's why it's so striking that there's this kind of talk
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which is very different from that. so in germany, in the 1970 s, this is what much the, the old style germany. and again, you have to go back to 1990. when there were a lot of people concerned about german reunification, including the united kingdom and france and johnson elmwood goal. he wrote a letter to all of the leaders of the world and said, hence will only piece will emanate from german song. and i guess people were reassured, sold off by that. that was few months later, germany went ahead recognize croatians, lenient, but this is lee. germany's quite clever in the way it plays the game any. it wants to present itself on the one hand as well. really. you know, you know, you know, what we say goes on the other. well, you know, we have a historic responsibility with a trouble and we don't like war. and really we go, you know,
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we don't want to send these particular weapons, but they do send this weapons. they are getting involved in ukraine, all the historic presidents. they are very actively involved in great training gradients. i mean, i was going back to the 940 s when they're actually actively trading ukrainians. well, and also as a sidebar here. oh it is. so in germany, reparations for the 2nd world war i just separate b, y. and the only meant the ball this, i think, you know, what we're saying here is true. but what does washington think of all of this? you know, having a strong germany is ok to a certain extent. certainly doesn't challenge american gemini in europe and of this whole situation with ukraine has solidified america with gemini as the expensive europeans, which of course, we all know. but so this germany is angling for repositioning itself in europe. it
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still has to be under the expertise of washington control box. well, does it, i mean i was in, it was done in 2008 on a french general that told me the big thinking from france was to create a european pillar with in nature. and i wonder whether germany isn't it's just now to soldier. ahead to give the palm with a new military spending bonanza, you know, $100000000.00. one shot about $70000000000.00 a year, which is more or less in line with britain. france. i wonder whether this is a way of signaling to america. look, we are going to go ahead. we are going to go to shoot me. probably a few other member states will join us in any excursions around the world that we like to get involved in. you know, a bit of dabbling and a few conflicts in the middle east. maybe a bit of a few boat patrols off the coast of libya. the conflict in africa. you know, the sort of thing is, is germany forming by default. and he, you are me because the federalists in brussels. i was there for 10 years. it was
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pretty boring. i can tell you. for 10 years all i heard was over and over again. you know, we needed to you army and macaroni push this since you crime. they did either pens, conformity or any on the they can't decide on budget. they can't decide who runs it . is it some bureaucratic brussels? usually i can see if there is a mistake. you know, the germans, i think by default, by going ahead with this plan, i'll probably signaling the, hey, we can, how many you are me. but it will be an informal one lent by the germans for, for doing their peacekeeping or humanitarian work around the world. and a be a few people to join it like romanians indicated they would be italian spanish and maybe the french as well. and it will be called a new army by default, but it won't be of brussels. you are, it will be one led by germany, which is the, of all nightmares of brussels, the last 30 years. you come out to you army,
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which isn't led by germany units and also nightmare don't forgetful german people. lot of people in germany are really uncomfortable. about any kind of strong military force around the world, you know, throwing its way to ruin. and i was in, when i was in afghanistan, i spent a day with german army on the topic stump. afghanistan border. and, you know, general of best i talking to me about, you know, may be germany at one point in the future, doing its own thing around the world with these friendships. you know, so we've got all this to look for to my guess is that germany will forge ahead with the so called you army, which is going to cause all sorts of problems. politically, within europe, it's going to cause problems with the americans, because then you know what we do about nato. does that still have it? so it's, it's, it's cloud, its influence around the world with europeans on board. you know, and i'm, i would guess i would put a wager the next conflict of this so called new you or me, gets involved in the brussels will stop the last moment and convince the germans to put an
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e. you on banned all the soldiers. that colony you are me anyway. i gotta jump in here. we're going to go to a short break after that chopper book, it in order specialists, and we'll, we'll stay with our aah. who is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing. i think you, which of the probably the list of course. sure, as we speak on, the billing is pretty much the mine, or wish you were banding all imports of russian oil and gas new g i. g with the letter from, you know, were given. joe biden,
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imposing the sanctions on russia has destroy the american economy. so there's your boomerang long when i was showing wrong, when i was just a name because of the after kid and engagement, it was the trail. when so many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground with nobody see that the was the were the jesus you did. yes, it was just something to we know all new young me of the musical roster in just
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a lot short they will say because they with molest says when you look grandma miss clutches is a white go occlusal glass dish initiative. you should just have to walk on a table in yet a feature to one that i me cut off now to music. what you will get a you guy will show this just go up all modal bucklin yet. we face the pool i'm looking for. can you look when you are naturally, scott, a little all causal. let us alone, mushroom. gonna sit on the new, i show you, show them. so building merely to let you put be log on the sheet. it is leak from what a slip of the month about on which was of the mock about with the when you look at what all this is just look like. must poly. and i mean, you came in the room when the she doesn't, but i wish law me a thought of, of angela wished emotional information as i put almost double sold out
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a little bit when you mores with them, they will close up on this on the was in a matter that somebody with the much money was up to you by with welcome back to cross that were all things considered. i peter, well this is the home edition. remind you we're discussing some real ah . all right, let's go back to georgia, budapest here. you like to react to what martin had to say before we went to the break? well, i think it is going to be a delegation of responsibilities. i think the,
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the americans will be quite happy to see germany rom, european branch of nature. and as father, my kind of global nature, which i think is what the united states like to create, the americans will focus on the far east as a containment of china. america can be everywhere the whole time. so i think that's why i think germany will be very useful as america, loyal tenants in europe. and, but it's interestingly it's, it's kind of the soviet nightmare from the 960, which is, they were suspected that some i went to what's whence germany becomes real. and it basically will take over nato and, and they, you know, essentially america will be doing germany's bidding. thing was the slime. all of them are just doing america's bidding or some combination of the to learn. i mean, history still intrudes here. i mean, like i mentioned, this is a sidebar. poland is so in germany for reparations. the 2nd world war. and then
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when we hear them germany, they may be putting some tank battalion in the baltic. republics. i mean, those of us know history and it's like, wow, it didn't take that long for a certain pattern direct to repeat itself here. it's not the having a european army run by the germans is there's a lot of people swallowing very hard. ok. i mean, they're still there. some people still alive, remembering that conflict, i don't think it's i don't think you can do that. they slip that easy. go ahead. yeah, but i think the real world is that we go over this line of simply come humanitarian work or 8 work around the world. and we start getting small shipments conflicts. i mean, to point to george much about americans of nature and china, joan was want to be those, well, they want to be and right to taiwan, as well as they've indicated that as this starts to let you know, ring alarm bells. when we talk about russia, you know, we should forget history. we shouldn't forget the most politicians of short era,
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sil, of a huge, huge complex about what happened in russia. they got their asses kicked. i mean, really kicked in, not just inside grad, but before moscow as well. you know, of what the world will serious bbc is. very good. so i think we should, we should always remember that i think the german elite keep changing the minds that keep jumping above all over the place woman if they want to be gung ho next minute, they want us to retract and they don't really know how to handle the situation they, i think the real worry you know, is that this, this coalition government, which is incredibly inexperience, which has green su, seem to be bang in the war drum. the same greens, who in the eighty's campaign against nato campaign against the, the german army expanding and now they've, they're the ones you want to bump that out of ukraine. there's a lot of confusion and i think come, we need a sobriety. when we talk about germany and on and i don't know where that comes from, but some let's see how things pan out. i think, i think there will be a certain restraint on the germans side or in the coming weeks when we see the next
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move by putin in ukraine. you know, i don't see german as the best. the warmongers, as the ones are really champion jumping any conflict as we worry. they don't have a good history on that. even recently, they still, you know, one of the things, it's not mentioned about german ministry complex. it is really badly organized and has a lot of corruption. you know, so whatever we we, we expect to happen isn't gonna happen very quickly, which will about ukraine when we talk about arming anything around the world. i think the european union is going to step in, i think is going to be a huge debate now in european parliament. don't love the only parliament in the world that doesn't try to print. a proposed roughly deflation is a disney world. i think we're going to have a debate in brussels and i think you are gonna see the emergence of some sort of, you army, probably with germany leading because tell me what was on you? well, hey, we put the most money into the pot, you know, and that's always been the argument. you know, it will be the same. and i think that's the reason why the companies magic number
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100000000 and we're going be on the 2 percent national g to be budget. because, you know, there is the signal this other member states. hey, if you do the same thing, then you could become part of a club. and you know, we got a few ideas about place who let to go in the world, you know, and maybe even the french would like to turn to the gym to say, hey, we got some real problems in some over, at colonies in france. we kicked us out like molly, you know, perhaps you could help with that. you can see the picture on it. just look, just look where rushes filled, the vacuum in africa. and you can see where german planners, you know, i mean, it was a report in the german poem and about 2 or 3 years ago, i read about it, which said, we must do more independently around the world with our military. that should be worrying to, of your use or it started george. or i do want to switch gears here a little bit. george, it, at the, the reaction western reactions, the russian special but military operation. ukraine was through 2 things. break the back of the russian economy and isolate russia, the global stake. well, number one,
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economy is that initial hit, but it's absorb the sanctions. i can tell our audience here. most russians are not aware of safety on there. ok. that's how people feel. second, one, isolating rush on the global stage. that's now working out too well. also, george, the global south is basically shrugged it off as a european problem. even if you look at some of the major countries in the global south actually saying, well, but, you know, the west, you created this, you fix it. why should we get on board? and, and because europe has gone down this idiot, it energy policy. i'm, you just say the psychotic as far as i can see, and everyone will take the large se, let's take the slack. why not keep energy make you rich. it's going to make us rich here. ok? so, i mean, so why don't we put in his foreign minister and they have plenty of people to meet . and you know, as we have the general assembly in the united nation demo assembly,
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a lot of people want to talk to the russian is that plan of isolation is at work. and george, that is quite remarkable. and this russia, that is a demonized, you know, with his theory in germany, but it's a, he's, there is right, europe in the united states. and every media store you read russia is isolate that protein facing increasing the amount of isolation. so he goes to some and he has meetings with very well meeting is a meeting with, again, very warm. and then want talking about cooperation, all the different projects that they going to be working on. you know, the trade agreements that they get to sign this just know in anything in there. i think it was russia to, i was, you know, the western that russia and that's why you know, you really feel the west is just completely living in its own delusional world and
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not realizing that's the rest of the world. you know, this is, you know, the most populous, they show up to not look at one, russia and ukraine in the way that the western countries, they a lot of sympathy for russia. and they have concerns due to lack of knowledge that they have concerns them. and obviously everyone has concerns about a war. let's dragging on, seemingly inclusively. but they regard russia as a partner. and that's something that the west is completely failed to take on board . and it is really the result of long standing soviet and then russian diplomacy that they have no very solid relations with many of the emerging countries in the world. and it's interesting, i mean, obviously the conflict in ukraine is front and center and it's, it's the vector which everyone decides. again, condemn whatever. but, you know,
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i look at, in a broader sense that there is, there's the rejection of this roles. water, which i have no idea what that means. no one really does. and i would just say go even further. western western values and culture, it's more and more alien to most of the world. this walk is post modernism. this is something that most people the world can't make heads or tails. maybe they'll see like some kind of chuckle. but that's something that most of the world has no like, no interest in embracing at all. it's again, a west west is very alien to most of the world. yeah, and i think that the real world is to, is the people around the world come home to fake this whole ideology has become people in western countries don't even believe anymore in those western values. last few days in britain i've been short to see on social media
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a number of people who have been arrested for protesting the queen's funeral. sometimes just with a white piece of paper saying, my king, you know, we've been coming to town in states in the west and it wanted me to buy millimeter . you know, salami slice by salamis, light is happening. and so it's very difficult for people to take the ukraine will, seriously, if we keep on bang on this, john bout democracy in western values. anita, particularly when we're funded to a large extent near nancy groups to do some really awful works. let me just become so polarized and so it just, it just emits, you know, the media now just admits the stories, but it doesn't want to to, to run which, which, which conflict with narrative and run the stories that those wants. what just yesterday we saw reports from france, 24 of this huge mass grave, supposedly discovered by ukraine and so does. but if you dig a little bit deeper, look into it. it actually wasn't a mass grave. it was a graveyard. i had, you know,
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when people were buried in coffins i'll, you know, names of own crosses, you know. and but, you know, the, a few western germans were invited along to film it and to dish out the moral tutelage to us all, you know, and i wonder how long is it going to laws one, how long, you know, people are actually going to swallow this nonsense, we've got a g 20 meeting coming up very soon, which i suspect who will attend. but most western leaders will not attend themselves. they'll send dignitaries or envoys or whatever. you know this i'm in the middle of people dropping dead freezing to death in the u. k, for example, during winter i think, you know, media i can see in britain is already johnny and are asking some harder and harder questions than else. then i'll staying at what is really the justification of this war. and i just recently, a british tabloid right. huge page where it compared all the sanctions that we impose on russia, but the russians were having a cheaper food, cheaper energy, you know, and people boasting on social media,
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they're running up boss all day long. you know, and in britain, you know, we've literally almost become a 3rd world country. it's not a joke. you know, people can afford to eat more on this. this slogan, all social media heat or eat is going to be a hashtag worsens, isn't already, you know, and people are going to start asking more more questions on when we bought that g 20 meeting. i think there's going to be a turn around in western opinion. you know, because a lot in this program, we always ask questions here. that's why people watch. it's all right. what we run out of time when they get there. that's what i think our viewers for watching us here. are you next time? remember? ah, ah ah, a collaboration crafted get what is the best time in which was the idea about them?
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you of the boxes, professional lithium door. you put up a list of all, but each with ah, a, it's a horrifying and disturbing scene. many people were killed near store. the serving image is coming from don't boss for at least 13 people, including 2 children are killed in massive artillery shelling by ukrainian food and adorn yet $0.50. that's according to local authorities. we heard from residence that coming in the shell flew right over my head right here. the only thing that saved me was that i'd stepped out, clipping the narrative with the media now as a boat, even the city of is the on the show signs of torture by russian soldiers earlier saying there's absolutely.
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