under jonas, this is the biggest, the strongest fall in europe. i see, you know, that that's the rub, martin i was, that was the question i was going to be, as he usually does here, very quickly. because the way that a shields fox and other german officials, i sometimes wonder where germany begins and the b u ends and vice versa. and then again, i was putting up claiming that germany will spend a 100000000000 euro on rearmament. the 20th century wasn't that long ago martin? yeah, actually i'm going to sort of cushions of the when i don't see $100000000000.00 a 100 years is that much money when talking about ministry spending? because remember a couple of things. this of all the military side of germany was under, under finance for right on time is also quite chaotic. so there's a lot of catching up to do. also. they sent a lot of their kids to ukraine. so like france that very much on the results. when

it comes to their own military and the real worry, real paranoia, i mean, george really made me love the talked about hysteria. i worked for gym and she knew 10 years. i know about germany, syria, to get me started on that. the real hysteria is there isn't, there is no, no, there are no good final outcomes for germany in ukraine war. because they'll warrant that putin is, will look for some on to blame if things get worse. and what germany is trying to do is contribute to the ukrainian efforts would not be a big player. so that's why they just recently held back sending big guns which ukraine's are really pissed off about. they're also dragging their feet about circle leper tanks, which may or may not materialize. you know, jenny does not want to be identified as the key deal breaker in the conflict because it is afraid that russia will hit germany. and this is what part of this is designed to invent a corporal shoots you. you're making massage and i think you've given great credit,

co shoot, said in the parliament where you go, the deputies roaring. you know for the 1st time and probably 30 is you know, a leader in germany. ashley could say to the parliament, we need to spend much more money on military spending. and not everybody went, oh no, we really should think about that. i mean, let's look at history. you know, we're going to go to a, it's a low baseline. however, we're given history, i have to be delicate here, given history. once the germans put their mind to something they tend to take on a life of its own here and take the hysteria. and i think that's a good word, the hysteria about what's going on in you crime, which should have been very avoidable. but this is a, it, george, this is a kind of a vector where we see with a germany in the you are synonymous. i mean, the joints mark, everybody adored in germany, and they accepted the you or the euro because it was

a replacement for the deutsche mark. and so you know that this is essentially a pro german agenda with and george with expansion. well, obviously these are for german goods to go to, i mean, this is a pattern from the 20th century before the 1st and 2nd world war. go ahead. yes it is. and it's very interesting. the german is now pushing for the expansion of the you. and while the germans are aware that it's not going to be easy to get any countries into the, you know, less, i can create that kind of a de facto, you know, just by having association agreement. so so, so now i'm pushing for georgia and moldova, a inside the you, why are they doing this? well, other than the georgia molto, very useful as a weapon against russia. everything that, you know, sergeant shoot, said,

was about how do we mobilize against russia? russia is the of, you know, this is, you know, we are values ah, alien to, lot of it, but he was projecting on to put in is defining himself in opposition to you and nature rather than we, we, europeans, under german leadership defining ourselves in opposition to we've heard this before. exactly. that's why it's so striking that there's this kind of talk which is very different from the talk in germany, in the 970. this is much, much the, the old style, germany. and again, you have to go back to 1990. when there were a lot of people concerned about german reunification, including the united kingdom and france and john's elmwood goal. he wrote a letter to all of the leaders of the world and said, chance will only piece will emanate from german soil. and i guess people were

reassured, sold off by that. that was few months later, germany went ahead, recognize croatians, lenient, but this is lee. germany is quite clever in the way it plays the game any. it wants to present itself on the one hand as well is of your, you know, you know, what we say goes on the other. well, you know, we have a historic responsibility with a trouble and we don't like war. and really we go, you know, we don't want to send these particular weapons, but they do sent this where they are getting involved in ukraine. that's why all the historic residents, they are very actively involved in great training ukrainians. i mean, i was going back to the 940 s when they're actually actively trading ukrainians. well, and also as a sidebar here, assuming germany for reparations, for the 2nd world war, i just separate b, y,

and the oil meant the ball this. i think, you know what we're saying here is true, but what does washington think of all of this? you know, having a strong germany is ok to a certain extent promised germany doesn't challenge american gemini in europe. and of this whole situation with ukraine has solidified america with gemini at the expense of the europeans, which of course, we all know. so this germany is angling per repositioning itself in europe. it still has to be under the expertise of washington control box. well, does it, i mean, i was in my study in 2008 on a french general that told me that big thinking from france was to create a european pillar with in nature. and i wonder whether germany isn't it's just now to soldier. ahead to give the palm with a new military spending bonanza, you know, $100000000.00. one shot about $70000000000.00 a year,

which is more or less in line with britain. france. i wonder whether this is a way of signaling to america. look, we're going to go ahead. we're going to build this huge omby. probably a few other member states will join us in any excursions around the world that we like to get involved in. you know, a bit of dabbling and a few conflicts in the middle east. maybe a bit of a few boat patrols up because of libya. the conflict in africa. you know, the sort of thing is, is germany forming by default. and he, you are me because the federalist in brussels. i was there for 10 years. it was pretty boring. i can tell you that for 10 years, all i heard was over and over again. you know, we needed to you, army and macros push this since you crime. they did either pens come for me or any on the they can't decide on budget. they can't decide who runs it. is it some bureaucrat in brussels? usually i can see if there is a mistake, you know, the germans, i think by default by going ahead with this plan, i'll probably signaling the hey,

we can, how many you are me, but it will be an informal one lent by the germans for, for doing their peacekeeping or humanitarian work around the world and a be a few people to join it like romanians of indicated they would be italian spanish and maybe the french as well. and it will be called a new army by default, but it won't be of brussels. you are, it will be one led by germany, which is the horrible nightmares of brussels, the last 30 years, you know, come out to you army, which is led by germany in and, and also nightmare forgetful german people. lot of people in germany are really uncomfortable. about any kind of strong military force around the world, you know, throwing its way to ruin. and i was in, when i was in afghanistan, i spent a day with german army on the topic stump afghanistan border. and, you know, general up there started talking to me about, you know, may be germany at one point in the future, doing its own thing around the world with these friendships. you know, so we've got all this to look for to my guess is that germany will forge ahead with

a so called you army, which is going to cause all sorts of problems politically within europe, going to cause problems with americans. because then you know what we do about nato . does that still have it? so it's, it's, it's cloud, its influence around the world with europeans on board. you know, and i'm, i would guess i would put a wager done with the next conflict of this so called new you or me, gets involved in the brussels will step up the last moment and convince the germans to put an e, u on band all the soldiers that colon the you are me anyway. i gotta jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that job, read book it in or discussion and some will stay with our ah

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the americans will be quite happy to see germany run the european branch of nature and as father, my kind of global nature, which i think is what the united states will like to create. the americans will focus on the far east as part of the containment of china, america on the everywhere the whole time. so i think that's why i think germany will be useful as america, loyal tenants in europe and, but it's interestingly it's, it's kind of the soviet nightmare from the $960.00, which is there was suspected that some i went what's when germany becomes very young. and it basically will take over nato and, and they, they, you know, essentially america will be doing germany's bidding. thing more of the slime. all of them are just doing america's bidding, or some combination of the to learn. i mean, history still intrudes here. i mean, like i mentioned, this is a sidebar. poland is suing germany for reparation. the 2nd world war. and then when

we hear them germany, they may be putting some tank battalion in the baltic. republics. i mean, those of us that know history and it's like, wow, it didn't take that long for that a certain pattern direct to repeat itself here. it's not the having a european army run by the germans is there's a lot of people swallowing very hard. ok. i mean there, it's still there. some people still alive, remembering that conflict, i don't think it's i don't think you can do the face lift that easy. go ahead. yeah, but i think the real world is that we go with this line of simply come humanitarian work or 8 work around the world and we start getting more serious conflicts. i mean, the point that george much about americans of nature and china, joan, this won't be those. well, they won't be right to taiwan as well as they've indicated that. and so this starts to let, you know, ring alarm bells when we talk about russia, you know, we should forget history. we shouldn't forget the most politicians of schultz era

sil, of a huge, huge complex about what happened in russia. they got their asses kicked. i mean, really kicked in, not just inside grad before in moscow as well. you know, i've watched the world war series, bbc is very good. so i think we should, we should always remember that i think the german elite keep changing their minds a keep jumping above all over the place woman if they want to be gone home next minute, they want to sort of retract and they don't really know how to handle the situation they, i think the real worry, you know, is that this, this coalition government, which is incredibly an experience which has green su, seem to be bang in the wardrobe. the st. greens, who in the eighty's campaign against nato campaign against the, the german army expanding. and now they've, they're the ones who want to bump that out of ukraine is a little confusion. and i think come, we need a sobriety when we talk about germany and on and i don't know where that comes from . but some, let's see how things pan out. i, i think think i, there will be a certain restraint on the germans site or in the coming weeks when we see the next

move by putin in ukraine. you know, i don't see german as the best. the warmongers, as the ones are really champion jumping any conflict as we worry, they don't have a good history on that. even recently they still, you know, one of the things it's not mentioned about german military complex is really badly organized and has a lot of corruption. you know, so whatever we we, we expect to happen isn't gonna happen very quickly, which will about ukraine when we talk about arming anything around the world. i think the european union is going to step in. i think it's gonna be a huge debate now in european parliament don't love the only parliament in the world that doesn't try hope trip, or proposed roughly deflation is a disney world. i think we're going to have a debate in brussels and i think you are in to see the emergence of some sort of you army probably which on the leading. because tell me what was on you. well hey, we put the most money into the port. you know, and that's always been the argument, you know, it will be the same. and i think that's the reason why the company is magic number 100000000. and we're going to be on the 2 percent national g to be budget. because,

you know, there is a signal this other member states, hey, if you do the same thing, then you could become part of a club. and, you know, we got a few ideas about place who let to go in the world, you know, and maybe even the french would like to turn to the germans and say, hey, we got some real problems in civil rights colonies in france, who kicked us out like molly, you know, perhaps you could help with that. you can see the picture on it. it would just look just look where rushes filled, the vacuum in africa. and you can see where german planners, you know, i mean, it was a report in the german poem and about 2 or 3 years ago, read about it, which said, we must do more independently around the world with our military. that should be worrying some of your views or it started george. or i do want to switch gears here a little bit. george, and the, the reaction western reactions, the russian special but military operation. ukraine was through 2 things, break the back of the russian economy and isolate russia, global state. well,

number one, economy is initial hit, but it's absorbed the sanctions. i can tell our audience here. most russians are not aware of sanctions on there. okay. that's how people feel it. second one isolating rush on the global stage. that's now working out too well. also george, the global south is basically shrugged it off as a european problem. even if you look at some of the major countries in the global south actually saying, well, but you, the west, you created this, you fix it. why should we get on board? and, and because europe has gone down this idiot, it energy policy, and you just say the psychotic. as far as i can see, and everyone will take the large se, let's take the slack. why not keep energy made you rich? it's going to make us rich here. so, i mean, so why don't we put in his foreign minister and they have plenty of people to meet . and i know as we have the general assembly in the united nations general assembly,

a lot of people want to talk to the russian is that plan of isolation is working george, that it is quite remarkable. and this russia, that is the demonized, you know, we don't want the syria in germany, but it's a series throughout europe in the united states. and every media store you read, russia is isolated, put in facing increasing the implementing isolation. so he goes to some and then he has meetings with a very well meeting. is a meeting with, again, a very warm and then want talking about cooperation. all the different projects that they are going to be working on. you know, the trade agreements that they get to sign this just knowing anything in there. i think it was russia to, i want the, you know, the western and russia, and that's why, you know, you really feel the west is just completely living in its own delusional world and not realizing that's the rest of the world. you know, this is, you know,

the most populous nations of the world, to not look up on russia and ukraine in the way that the western countries, they a lot of sympathy for russia. and they have concerns due to the knowledge that they have concerns them. and obviously everyone has concerns about a war that's dragging on seemingly inclusively, but they regard russia as a partner. and that's something that the west is completely failed to take on board . and it is really the result of long standing soviet and then russian diplomacy that they have no very solid relations with many of the emerging countries in the world. now martin, it's interesting. i mean, obviously the conflict ukraine is front and center and it's, it's the vector which everyone decides against condemn, whatever. but, you know,

i look at a broader sense that there is, there's a rejection of this roles based order, which i have no idea what that means. no one really does and i would just say go even further. western western values and culture, it's more and more alien to most of the world. this walk is post modernism. this is something that most people, the world can't make heads or tails. maybe they'll see it like some kind of chuckle, but that's something that most of the world has no interest in embracing it. all this again by west west is very alien to most of the world. yeah, and i think that the real world is to, is the people around the world come home to fake this whole ideology has become people in western countries don't even believe anymore in those western values. last few days in britain, i've been shocked to see on social media a number of people who have been arrested for protesting the queens funeral.

sometimes just with a white piece of paper saying, not my king. you know, we've been coming to town in states in the west and it wanted me to buy millimeter . you know, salamis sliced by salamis, light is happening. and so it's very difficult for people to take the ukraine will . seriously, if we keep on bang on this, john bout democracy in western values. anita particularly when we're funded to a large extent near nancy groups to do some really awful works that annual meetings has become so polarized. and so it just, it just emits, you know, the media now just admits the stories that he doesn't want to to, to run which, which, which conflict with narrative and run the stories that those wants. what just yesterday we saw reports from france, 24 of this huge mass grave, supposedly discovered by ukrainian soldiers. but if you'd take a little bit deeper look into it, it actually wasn't a mass grave. it was a graveyard. i had, you know, when people were buried in coffins i'll, you know,

names are put on crosses, you know. and but you know that a few western germans were invited long to film it and to dish out the moral tutelage to us all, you know, and i wonder how long is it going a lot. i wonder how long you know, people are actually going to swallow this nonsense. we've got a g 20 meeting coming up very soon, which i suspect who will attend. but most western leaders will not attend themselves. they'll send dignitaries or envoys or whatever, you know this i'm in the middle of people dropping dead freezing to death in the u . k. for example, during winter, i think, you know, media i can see in britain is already channing that are asking some harder and harder questions than else then are staying at what is really the justification of this war. and just recently, a british tabloid right. huge page where it compared all the sanctions that we impose on russia, but the russians were having a cheaper food, cheaper energy, you know, people, boasting on social media, they're running hot boss all day long. you know, and in britain, you know,

we've literally almost become a 3rd world country. it's not a joke. you know, people can afford to eat more on this. this slogan on social media, heat or eat is going to be a hashtag morrison physical ready. you know, and people are going to start asking more more questions on when we boycott that g . 20 meeting i think is going to be a turn around in western opinion. because a lot in on this program, we always ask questions here. that's why people watch. it's all right when we run out of time, want to thank my guest, america and a book. that's what i think our viewers for watching us here are. you see you next? i'm remember. oh ah, the only to be a move like a so glad they ship laugh that get what is the best time in which was the idea

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