throats and all you need to know is what german 4 i minister angelina bare voc said it at a democracy conference of all things in prague. just a couple of weeks ago when she was talking about ukraine and she said, you know, regardless of what the german people think i am fully committed and i am going to, yes, i'm going to continue support them. meanwhile, germans are worried about paying their energy bills each month and they're wondering how they're going to get through the winter with the energy crunch. and this is transpiring all across the block and you have, you know, certain countries kind of breaking off from it hungry. that's being punished for it . poland is even saying, okay, yeah, we support ukraine, but there's an issue here. you know, they're coming up with some harebrained idea that germany and russia somehow in cahoots with each other against poland. so you're starting to see some fracturing happening already. so i mean, regardless of what, what the elite in the, you think it's a question of whether or not the people are going to follow. ultimately,

if they're going to sleep, walk along or if they're going at some point, just rebel. yeah, i mean it's one of these strange thing that sleep walking with your eyes wide open . i'd really can't, you know, get square the circle. i think john is right. this isn't intended demolition, marco, let me go to, i mean, poland is already been mentioned here i, i was in poland the day they joined the european union and everybody said the same thing. we're going to be rich, we're going to be rich. and i said, no, you're joining a block, and you will eventually be confined to your little space in a straight jacket. and i ended up being perfectly correct here. ok. and also, but the polls rebelling against brussels is suing the germans for reparations. lots of fun going on in europe, go ahead, marco india on the pollutants said will be free, free yoga, all the tyranny pretty over. even implicit, certainly i. and here they are now in a very explicit certainty where you superstate is being formed around the way the

rules are being decided without their agreements. they are effect on how we are putting a bit of a german room open prisons as it were increasingly as things develop. so certainly, i think the polls have big regrets and also culturally they have far more in common with their neighbors in eastern europe and south to south than the do with the white house. john, describe the grand european homely european projects. that's something that's been dreamed up at night. no vision dreamed up in western capital where the lead on the technocrats had nothing better to do. and unfortunately it's aimed at the re person, your person, the proposed slumber. and he's helped in many ways by the media which is slumbering willfully on their watch. so this will carry on. but i would add that there is also a bit of a time limit for you to achieve all the you master to achieve the aims. and that is because of course, they're running out of them over can only capacity. they want to have guys,

they're running out of the results that they need to view the entire continent. and it's a question, what happens 1st, do they run out of the euro become a bankrupt current? so you'd be constantly ease to by increasing the expensive gas or delay managed to do think russia in some way in the interim? that's why i think that the you and the germans aren't a bit of a hurry. yeah. john, it's one of those interesting things. you know, when you have adversaries, it's often said, you know, trying to pick who's had, who has the time, and who has the clocks and russia has both. okay. and the as nicer. and that's, and that's self inflicted, that was intentional. okay. this was a self inflicted wounds that they're going through. go ahead, john and marcus, and about a very important that has been now for many years. i would say a polish problem in the europe in union. it's sometimes said that the polls hate russia more than they love. and, and we see that the emergence potent, or rather,

i should say, the domination of poland by poland of the european union. and its foreign policy is one of the most remarkable developments of previous years. because previously it was, it was germany that dominated before that france. now poland has emerged, thinks of itself, the americans think of poland now as their best ally, their strongest ally and the poles of similarly, take this very much to heart and have become completely crazed. i would say with a sense of their own importance, and is that which explains this mad idea to demand reparation of germany? you know, you think it was enough to fight a war on, on one front with russia, but no, they've decided to open up a 2nd front with germany. and that's absolutely crazy. so the fact is that yes, there is a polish problem and the plan which i described may of course not go to a plan that can be spoken in the wheel. and the polish behavior is certainly one of them. as far as inflation is concerned. and the, the, the, the bankrupting of the currency. i'm afraid, i think that is deliberate. the,

just as it is in the united states of america for the very simple reason that these countries in european union, the americans and others of british have accumulated such colossal amounts of debt . that the only way they can yetta by placing the counts away. so all this stuff about not being able to control inflation, i'm afraid that's actually the plan is to have inflation in orbit that will ease over time, ruining, of course, the economy and the process, but at least getting rid of that it. rachel cove. it was a preamble for what we're seeing right now. and we have all of these are like the height of the elite class in brussels. basically saying i basically preaching central planning. i mean, the actually literally talking about it right now to have central planning or thinking of they're going to need coercion at some point. okay. and i, that's why i mentioned covert because how to lock downs work. do people obey what,

what kind of stresses they have because it's going to be a hard winter for you folks and, and i'm, i'm, i'm really afraid that they're going to have to resort to forced to make people obey your thoughts. rachel? well, speaking of central planning, just look at what's happening to the energy companies as they're facing this crisis . you have frances electricity, def, haas, that has just been nationalized. he have germany's juniper, which is the state, is considering taking much more of a stake in. so you see essentially a fusion of these big multinational energy providers and the state, and whereas before, it was much less. so increasingly, so, and in terms of controlling the population, i mean, we're looking at people already spilling into the streets to protest energy bills that they can't pay. and i can't emphasize this enough. it's one thing for ursula vander, line, european commission, president, to say, everybody's on board with ukraine. we're all united,

and we all agree on everything. and we're going to do this and not to help people, but not give concrete details. and in the meantime, while everybody's waiting to find out exactly how they're going to get energy bill relief, the bills are piling up and people don't know what to do other than to spill into the streets and it's september. it's not even cold out yet. so i don't know how they're going to handle this, other than with some kind of populations. tight control the, the likes of which we saw during covent, which ultimately was way that stop people from intermingling from making the situation worse. how i would like to know how the, you plans on preventing this situation from getting worse if things get pretty bad in terms of the heating situation as we had further into winter yet. well, you know, me go to marco, you know, rachel, they, they, they don't, they're not very good. we have goals, but they're not very good at play. and the same thing about energy prices in the u

. k. i mean, you know, having these energy caps here that's just postponing that just postponing reality here. i list trust. good, good luck. i mean to inheriting this, this is going to be very, very difficult for the you can go ahead marco, before we go to the break. yeah, i mean, if she follows the german example, the german defense minister announced a couple of weeks ago that the army would be on the streets of germany from october 1st to patrol to stop riots. so the biggest country in europe is now preparing to batten down the hatches and enforce its fear on the, on the population. so things aren't looking too good. and as john said, this may be part of the plan, but it costs a great deal. and it risks a great deal of those who initiate the plan. because rachel says it's up to the population as to how much they can really tolerate without getting up and standing up for those rights which are now so utterly threatened by the elite mouse. ok mark

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the actual book that mm welcome back. across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter le beltran, and you were discussing the fate of the you. ah guess, go back to john in budapest, them in your 1st answer. i agree with you completely. i mean, this is a washington's behest, but please explain to me, what is the prize if you have a economic blocked once was prosperous, is now their productivity goes down. poverty goes up, i what kind of price is that? is it, or is it just say, a battering ram against russia? i mean, but in we conform. oh, and by the way, the in the having europe in lock step with it, washington is

a good way for them to get rid of sergeant schultz as i refer to him in germany, because they definitely want to see him go no matter what he says, nobody what gives them they want him gone? go ahead, john. i mean, you know, you could ask, go, what did the bolshevik same to achieve in 1917, did they end to achieve a bankruptcy superpower? that was presumably not in the list of things to do. but of course, that's what they did. the same question applies to the european union. now, i want to make myself very clear when the gas problem with gas started, which of course, the european union is responsible for by closing down the street to the european commission and all the european leaders said, well, that's great because we wanted to reduce fossil fuels anyway, it was part of the green deal. they've been trying to do this for years now. they're doing it by force, as you said in your earlier question, why are they doing this? why are they doing it? cause they want to have fewer people. i am sorry to sound like

a crazy conspiracy theorist, but the french national assembly right now is you think they'd have better things to do is voting along euthanasia because they want to be able to bump whole people off in their own people's homes. if they don't die of cold 1st, these people are convinced that the priority is the climate. and if that means making people poorer with less energy and therefore less c o 2 soviet, that's the plan. well, you know, rachel, i me. what if we can stick with with energy? i mean, i agree with you. this is just, this is not in that not just an ideology, it's a fanatic of fanatical religion. it's green new deal thing. um and you know, in there, there are websites going all across europe, how to get firewood. that's really amazing. it's got pre industrial. ok. let's do it in, in a course of a few years. i'm but the, those, the leads there is still going to be flying around in their private aeroplanes. i mean, i, at what point do people to say enough of you people, i cannot see how the political stability can be maintained when you have the leads

. have the temperature up high, and then you have no traffic lights in your streets. rachel? yeah, all i know is that people here, at least in france, haven't reached that point it and they are far too comfortable. i'm not sure if they will reach that point. there's a few people spilling into the streets right now. it's not that much, especially considering previous protests like the elevator protest. so it's hard to say where people's tolerance level lies. but tom, in terms of, you know, where this is all going. if john mentioned the, the green dreams of the you and that touches on the point that this whole thing is just so ideological and it's really hard to under state how ideal logically bubbled they are in brussels and how everything is all about, you know, whatever we believe and in terms of a construct we can just execute and their 1st rude awakening was when they realized when the initial in the initial aftermath of the onset of the korean

conflict, they were like, ok, well no big deal we can do without rush and gas that just makes us shift sooner than planned to are green economy and then, you know, they start pulling on the lever for that plan and nothing worked. and i was kind of the 1st shock. so i think reality is slowly starting to set in. but it's kind of you know, the big question mark here is whether or not they are absolutely beholden at all cost to the ideological reality, or if pragmatism is going to give way at some point. well, that is a really good point, marco, my feeling is with these leads. they can never admit they are wrong. ok, and that's what i really terrified because they will double down triple down until they get what they want. because public opinion is not important. we've already heard the german foreign minister. i don't care what my voters have to say. we're going to support ukraine. i mean, you're in the u. k. i mean, how much is it?

do people believe that we have to suffer in sacrifice for ukraine? do people really buy into that? well, it's constantly repeated in a very simplistic kind of been tra, boris, put it very well before he left his post that it was, he said that they would how did he put it? they would, they would know that they were bleeding in ukraine and they will, for us to simply be paying marina in europe and britain. that was a minor cost compared to sacrifice. so the greatest but the sacrifice of credit is one he forced upon them when he leans a stop rather promising these discussions at the beginning of april this year. so it's an unnecessary problem. and it's a false dichotomy. we could have a piece and, and, and stability as well. so it is, people tend to have a very low analysis threshold and they tend to believe what they told me, i think as a racial suggested once the, the difficulty of paying the bills that each for each kind of problem appears on

these shows. it will be an entirely different attitude, but if people are still intimidated into coming out with these positions, and as john said, well there is the agenda, which is why i'm the european elite masters off. mr. says are not actually in any thinking in the wrong in any way. they think they're doing quite well. they haven't a good crisis goes away. so they use it to put their own agenda, all of it. so in force compliance to come up with a series of laws, a time of food shortage, restricted production meet and, and restricting the variability, grain and virtual either which would make the grain greater in quantity. so the thing is happening on many levels. and if we look for a kind of normal 20th century, kind of logic to this, there is none. but if we look at the kind of technocratic dream we'll nightmare

that is being some people thinking that so cool, great reset seems to be on calls in consistent with what decisions are being taken right now. you know, in john, this is say we have the perfect environment to create it, to town, authoritarian state and then an authoritarian state that it's virtuous. and woke and, and democratic in a very narrow sense because of a few disagree. you know, your voice, your voice simply doesn't matter how you hungry is a very good example of that here. but this is a windfall for, for the, for authoritarian sale. this is our moment because we can, we can shove anything down their throat here. we learned, we learned what to do or not what to do with cove. it we know exactly what to do in this situation. go ahead, john. i totally agree with that. not only is there also are a tarion, isn't you asked in an earlier question. these are whether they were prepared to use force leads to leads. of course,

they're prepared to use force. how many people do you think they blinded or during the yellow vests movement came from that here 40 people were blinded by the police . so they used force then, and of course they used force during code it. professor neil ferguson, the famous modular, said in an interview in december 2021. when the 1st lockdown started in china. he's referring of course to march 2020, but entrenched with when he looked back on it. and he said, we didn't think we could do this kind of stuff in europe. but then we saw china and then italy do it. and we realized we could write. so that fleet, so the authoritarianism and the victorian stake power is, has been used and they are psychologically prepared to use of including for energy shortages in switzerland for example. you are already being invited to denounce your neighbor in terms of the heating. but the real danger i would say, i mean that is already a very major danger. but the real danger is also the horizontal aspects of totality . which unfortunately, are running already at full speed. by that i mean the tendency of citizens on the

horizontal level to go along with the mass psychosis with what mateus does macros, the mast psychosis to denounce each other as they did during co bit. if your friend had a barbecue or whatever, the media, of course are, are great at this. i, myself, am constantly attack now in the dutch media because i work with a little party for being a, you know, having connections to russia and so, and all these people, you mentioned virtuous in your question. he did, they think they are being better, but that's how to tell him terry, who dictatorships all started. did you think we early bolsheviks thought of themselves as math madras'? no, they were fighting rection. they were fighting for paragraphs. they thought of themselves in the i found out of history and it exactly the same mentality today. it rachel, it living in paris or how do it on a, on, on your micro level and the, an everyday life for me is the risk of phobia gone up in the love of ukraine

and increased. i mean, how do they look at those? i mean marco's absolutely right. yeah. i mean, we're spoon fed, you know, on a daily basis, the same message over and over again. but is ukraine love of ukraine and hatred of russia is i can get of the citizens through the winter now. and it's really interesting that question you bring up because very few people ask it, actually, we're being told what to think on french tedi and the plurality of information has decreased ever since they shut. you know, i sputnik r t it's, it's very difficult li, accessible from here in europe. but yeah, i mean, i notice and talking to people that the thinking is changing. now that they realize the average person realizes there's an actual personal price to pay. it's gone from yes, we should support ukraine. yes, of course. you know, russia shouldn't bother them and we should do what we can to help them in our freedom, democracy, blah, blah, blah, because that's what we were told. now the thinking is more, well, you know,

there is a lot of corruption there. it's not really our problem. it's, we're going to really suffer for this. and you know, what point is this and how that works? the exit ramp for this. and as we know, there is no exit ramp being presented anywhere. so yeah, people is starting to shift their mindset and i'm noticing that especially in the last month or so. marco and i went to finish up the program here. basically the same question. i mean, the k is notoriously anti russian research phobia is basically was born there. so is it, it's worth, i mean, cold this winter because it will make you feel good wearing your sweater that your spot is fighting. vladimir putin is that work? well, if i had some traction so far as the temperature declines, us, so will the belief in the proposition decline as well. but i think from the point of view of those will launch in this process. what they,

they try to can obviously to see russia at the beginning of this crisis that filed, they know they come to saturday to the russia. and i think they're hoping for now is using numerous p r companies to push the proposition of russian military setbacks in such a way to remove confidence in russia, in russia's domestic population in their own lead up. and if they could manage to do that, install their implying puppies to, well, they've been trying nation, they've been trying since the bolshevik revolution, and they've never succeeded in all the time. we have your many thanks from i guess in london, paris, and in budapest. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at rtp next time, remember that growth when i would show the wrong, why don't just don't the world yet to fill out the thing,

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