in the cross walk where all things are considered, i'm peter lavelle, does the european union have a death wish it would seem so ramp and inflation growing energy and security, demanding unquestioning solidarity regarding ukraine's and punishing democratically elected governments are only some of the blocks maladies. to make things worse, there's a dangerous leadership deficit. ah, cross sucking the fate of the e. u. i'm joined by my guest child laughlin in budapest. he's a university lecture and in history and political philosophy in paris. we have rachel marston. she is a syndicated columnist and rti contributor and in london we crossed marco gassett. he is an international affairs commentator across our girls in the fact that means you can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate, john, let me go to you 1st out of the corner of my on the plasma. i could see you nodding your head after every single word i said in my introduction, i'll let you take it from here. go right ahead. well,

you say it in your introduction that europe has death wish and you were implied that all these different policies are incomprehensible. you know, how could they possibly be wanting to commit suicide? well i, i certainly agree that europe is committing suicide, that the european leaders are, are killing off european culture, european economy and so on. but it's not me, it's not irrational. i mean, i think it's irrational, but it's not, it's not by incompetence on the country. it is part of a program. the program, of course, is to create a politically united european lock will be at under american leadership. it is to create it even beyond that a new, the new man. you know, we had home a soviet to coast in the soviet period. now, it will be homo era, us who is multinational, post historical post christian above all does not pollute who is, you know, kept strictly under control from the point of view of the climate in the song that

is the project. and if only when you see that, that project that you understand the least various things that are going on, you know, it is worth having food rationing and fuel rationing to get a united luck against russia because wasn't on the line once one thing. and that is by the end of her mandate, or she may go in 3 years, or perhaps in 8 years, she wants a fully fledged federal european state to emerge. and that goal explains, i think, everything. okay, well, let me go to rachel in paris. so maybe i missed something over the re proceeding years, but did anybody a vote on what john is claims that the european leadership wants because there seems to be such a glaring democracy deficit when it comes to their goals. i don't that i never see here are a goals, it's their goals. rachel, now, nobody voted for these bureaucrats, and they're the ones who are pushing this unelected policy down all of our throats

. and all you need to know is what german 4 i minister and alina bear box, said it at a democracy conference of all things in prague. just a couple of weeks ago when she was talking about ukraine and she said, you know, regardless of what the german people think i am fully committed and i am going to, yes, i'm going to continue support them. meanwhile, germans are worried about paying their energy bills each month and they're wondering how they're going to get through the winter with the energy crunch. and this is transpiring all across the block and you have, you know, certain countries kind of breaking off from it hungry. that's being punished for it . and poland is even saying ok, yeah, we support ukraine, but there is an issue here. you know, they're coming up with some harebrained idea that germany and russia somehow in cahoots with each other against poland. so you're starting to see some fracturing happening already. so i mean, regardless of what, what the elite in the, you think it's

a question of whether or not the people are going to follow. ultimately if they're going to sleep, walk along or if they're going at some, some point just rebel. yeah, i mean it's one of these strange thing that sleep walking with your eyes wide open . yeah. i'd really can't, you know, get square the circle. i think john is right, this is intended demolition, marco, let me go to you. i mean, poland is already been mentioned here i, i was in poland. the day they joined the european union and everybody said the same thing. we're going to be rich. we're going to be rich and i said, no, you're joining a block and you will eventually be confined to your little space in a straight jacket. and i ended up being perfectly correct here. okay. and also the poles of rebelling against brussels is suing the germans, fer reparations. lots of fun going on in europe. go ahead, marco india and the pollutants said will be free, free yoga olla to really pretty over even implicit her. and here they are now in a very explicit to tyranny whether you super state is being formed around the way

the rules are being decided without agreements, they all affect how we are putting. so there's a bit of a german room open prison as it were increasingly as things develop. so certainly i think the polls have big regrets and also culturally they have far more in common with their neighbors in eastern europe and south to and so the south than to do with the white house. john, describe the grand european homely european projects. that's something that's the dream knobby that my vision dreamed up in western capital, where the lead on the technocrats had nothing better to do. i don't, fortunately, it's aimed at the re person. you'll be posing the proposed to slumber and he's helped in many ways by the media which is slumbering willfully on their watch. so this will carry it on. but i would add that there is also a bit of a time limit for you to achieve all the you master to achieve the aims. and that is because of course,

they're running out over them over can only capacity. they have guys running out of the resources they need to view the entire continent. and it's a question of what happens 1st. do they run out of the euro become a bankrupt currency being constantly ease to by increasing expensive gas or do they managed to do? think russia in some way, in the interim? that's why i think that the, you and the germans are a bit of a hurry. yeah. john, it's one of those interesting things. you know, when you have adversaries, it's often said, you know, trying to pick who's had, who has the time, and who has the clocks and russia has both. okay. and as neither, and that's, and that's self inflicted, that was intentional. okay. this was a self inflicted wounds that they're going through. go ahead, john, in budapest, marcus, and about this very important. there has been now for many years. i would say a polish problem in the european union. it sometimes said that the polls hate russia more than they love them. and see that the emergence of potent,

or rather i should say, the domination of poland by poland of european union. and its foreign policy is one of the most remarkable developments of previous years. because previously it was, it was germany that dominated in the fall that france now poland has emerged. holden thinks of itself, the americans think of poland now as their best ally, their strongest ally and the poles. similarly, take this very much to heart and have become completely crazed, i would say, with a sense of their own importance. and it is that which explains this mad idea to demand reparation of germany. you know, you think it was enough to fight a war on, on one front with russia that know they've decided to open up a 2nd front with germany. and that's absolutely crazy. so the fact is that, yes, there is a polish problem. and the plan which i described may of course not go to plan that can be spoken in the wheel, and the polish behavior is certainly one of them, as far as inflation is concerned, and the, the, the,

the bankrupting of the currency. i'm afraid, i think that is deliberate and just as it is in the united states of america for the very simple reason that these countries, european union, the americans and others, british have accumulated such colossal amounts of debt. that the only way they can get out my plaiting the way. so all this stuff about not being able to control inflation, i'm afraid that's actually the plan is to have inflation inaudible that, that will ease over time, ruining, of course, the economy and the process. but at least getting rid of that it, rachel, the cov, it was a preamble for what we're seeing right now. and we have all of these are like the height of the elite class in brussels. basically saying i basically preaching central planning. i mean, the actually literally talking about it right now to have central planning or they're thinking of they're going to need coercion. it's some point. okay. and i, that's why i mentioned covert because how to lock downs work. do people obey what

to what kind of stresses they have because it's gonna be a hard winner for you folks. and i'm, i'm really afraid that they're going to have to resort to force they make people obey your thoughts. rachel? well speaking of central planning, just look at what's happening to the energy companies as they're facing this crisis . you have frances electricity. if hosp that has just been nationalized, you have germany's juniper, which in this state is considering taking much more of a stake in. so you see essentially a fusion of these big multinational energy providers and the state, and whereas before was much less. so increasingly, so, and in terms of controlling the population, i mean, we're looking at people already spilling into the streets to protest energy bills that they can't pay. and i can't emphasize this enough. it's one thing for ursula vander, line, european commission, president, to say,

everybody's on board with ukraine. we're all united, and we all agree on everything. and we're going to do this and not to help people, but not give concrete details. and in the meantime, while everybody's waiting to find out exactly how they're going to get energy bill relief, the bills are piling up and people don't know what to do other than to spill into the streets. and it's september. it's not even cold out yet. so i don't know how they're going to handle this, other than with some kind of populations. tight control the, the likes of which we saw during covent, which ultimately was weighed, it stop people from intermingling from making the situation worse. how i would like to know how the, you plans on preventing this situation from getting worse if things get pretty bad in terms of the heating situation as we had for there into winter. yeah. well, you know, me go to marco, rachel, they, they, they don't, they're not very good. they have goals,

but they're not very good at planning the same thing about energy prices in the u. k. i mean, you know, having these energy cap here that's just postponing that just postponing reality here. i let's trust good, good luck i need to inheriting this. this is going to be very, very difficult for the you can go ahead marco, before we go to the break. yeah, i mean, if she follows the german example, the german defense minister announced a couple of weeks ago that the army would be on the streets of germany for october 1st to patrol to stop riots. so the biggest country in europe is now preparing to batten down the hatches and enforce a fear on the, on the population. so things aren't looking too good. and as john said, this might be part of the plan, but it costs a great deal, and it risks a great deal for those who initiate the plan. because rachel says it's up to the population as to how much they can really tolerate without getting up and standing

up for those rights which are now. so actually threatened by the elite mouse. ok mark again i, i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the fate of the e. stay with ah ah, with a with

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us, nice gloves with nationwide has been venues to be a for the new sure room juniors with our season at the washer. who works with the washer live with ah, welcome back to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. remind you. we're discussing the fate b, e. you guys go back to china in budapest, them in your 1st answer. i agree with you completely. i mean, this is a washington's behest, but please explain to me, what is the prize if you have

a economic blocked once was prosperous, is now their productivity goes down. poverty goes up, i want kind of price. is that, is it, or is it just say, a battering ram against russia? i mean, we can form wholly and by the way we have in europe in lock step with washington is a good way for them to get rid of sergeant shelters. i refer to him in germany because they definitely want to see him go, no matter what he says, no, anyone gives them. they want him gone. go ahead, john. i mean, you know, you could ask, go, what did the bolsheviks and to achieve in 1917, did they end to achieve a bangkok, to a superpower. that was presumably not in the list of things to do. and, but of course, that's what they did at the same question applies to the european union. now, i want to make myself very clear when the gas problem with gas started, which of course, the european union is responsible for by closing down not street to the european

commission and all the european leaders said, well, that's great because we wanted to reduce fossil fuels anyway, it was a part of the green deal. they've been trying to do this for years now. they're doing it by force, as you said in your earlier question, why are they doing this? why are they doing it? because they want to have fewer people. i am sorry to sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist, but the french national assembly right now is you think they'd had better things to do is voting a lot on euthanasia because they want to be able to bump, hold people off in their own people's homes. if they don't dive cold 1st, these people are convinced that the priority is the climate. and if that means making people poorer with less energy and therefore less c o 2 soviet, that's the plan. well, you know, rachel, i me. what if we can stick with with energy? i mean, i agree with you. this is just, this is not that not just an ideology, it's a fanatic of fanatical religion. it's a green new deal thing. um and you know,

in that there are websites going all across europe, how to get firewood? that's really amazing. it's got pre industrial. ok. let's do it in, in a course of a few years. i'm but it, those, the leads. they're still going to be flying around in their private aeroplanes. i mean, i, at what point to people to say enough of you people, i cannot see how the political stability can be maintain when you have the leads. have the temperature up high and then you have no traffic lights in your streets. rachel? yeah, all i know is that people here, at least in france, haven't reached that point and they are far too comfortable. i'm not sure if they will reach that point. there's a few people spilling into the streets right now. it's not that much, especially considering previous protests like the elevator protest, so it's hard to say where people's tolerance level lies. but tom, in terms of, you know, where this is all going. if john mentioned the, the green dreams of the you and that touches on the point that this whole thing is

just so ideological. and it's really hard to under state how ideologically bubbles they are in brussels and how everything is all about, you know, whatever we believe. and in terms of a construct we can just execute and their 1st rude awakening was when they realized when the initial m. m. in the initial aftermath of the onset of that he crane conflict, they were like, okay, well, no big deal we can do without russian gas such as makes us shift sooner than planned to are green economy. and then, you know, they start pulling on the leavers for that plan and nothing worked. and i thought that was kind of the 1st shock. so i think reality is slowly starting to set in. but it's kind of, you know, the big question mark here is whether or not they are absolutely be whole then at all cost to that ideological reality, or if pragmatism is going to give way at some point. well, that is

a really good point, marco, my feeling is with these leads. they can never admit they are wrong. ok, and that's what i'm really terrified of because they will double down triple down until they get what they want. because public opinion is not important. we've already heard the german foreign minister. i don't care what my voters have to say . we're going to support ukraine. i mean, you're in the u. k. i mean, how much it, you know, and it, do, people believe that we have to suffer in sacrifice for ukraine. do people really buy into that one? it's a constantly repeated in a very simplistic kind of been tra, boris, put it very well before he fled his pumps. as it were, he said that they would. how did he put it? they would, they would that they were bleeding in ukraine and their whole for us to simply be paying more in, in europe and britain like a minor cost compared to the sacrifice of ukrainians. but the good sacrifice of your credit is one he forced upon them when he intervened to stock her. all the promising piece discussions at the beginning of april this yes. so it's an

unnecessary a problem. and it's a false dichotomy. we could have a piece and, and, and stability as well. so it is, is that people tend to have a very low analysis of threshold and they tend to believe what they told me, i think as a racial suggested once the, the difficulty of paying the bills that he's for each kind of problem appears on these shows it will be an entirely different attitude, but if people are still intimidated into coming out with these positions, and as john said, well there is the agenda, which is why i'm the european elite masters off. mr. says are not actually in any thinking in the wrong in any way. they think they're doing quite well. they haven't let a good crisis goes away. they use it to put their own agenda bullet ship. so enforce compliance to come up with a series of laws, a time of food shortage,

restricting the production meat and, and restricting the variability of grain and fertilizer which would make the grain greater in quantity. so the thing is happening on many levels. and if we look for a kind of normal 20th century, kind of logic to this, there is none. but if we look at the kind of technocratic dream or nightmare that is being some people thinking that so cool, great reset seems to be on calls in consistent with what decisions are being taken right now. you know, in john that this is say we have the perfect environment to created to authoritarian state and then an authoritarian state that is virtuous and woke and, and democratic and a very narrow sense because of a few disagree. you know, your voice, your voice simply doesn't matter how you hungry is a very good example of that here. but this is a windfall for, for the,

for authoritarian sale. this is our moment because we can, we can shove anything down their throat here. we learned, we learned what to do or not what to do with cove it we know exactly what to do in this situation. go ahead, john. i totally agree with that. not only is there also are a terry in ism, you asked in an earlier question, peter, whether they were prepared to use force leads, leads. of course they're prepared to use force. how many people do you think they blinded or during the yellow vests movement came from that here 40 people were blinded by the police. so they used force then and of course they used force during code it professor neil ferguson. the famous modeler said in an interview in december 2021. when the 1st lockdown started in china, he's referring of course to march 2020. but in 20 would when he looked back on it and he said, we didn't think we could do this kind of stuff in europe. but then we saw china and then italy do it and we realized we could write. so that fleet, so the authoritarianism and the dictate, tauriel steak power is,

has been used and they are psychologically prepared to use including for energy shortages in switzerland for example. you are already being invited to denounce your neighbor in terms of the heating. but the real danger i would say, i mean that is already a very major danger. but the real danger is also the horizontal aspects of totality . which unfortunately, are running already at full speed. by that i mean the tendency of citizens on the horizontal level to go along with the mass psychosis with what my testers, nichols, the math psychosis, to denounce each other as they did during co bit. if your friend had a barbecue or whatever, the media, of course are, are great at this. i, myself, am constantly attack now in the dutch media because i work with adult political party for being a, you know, having connections to russia and so, and all these people, you mentioned virtuous in your question. he did, they think they are being better, but that's how to tell it terry, who dictatorships all started, did you think we early bolsheviks thought of themselves as matt mattress? no,

they were fighting rection. they were fighting for paragraphs. they thought of themselves in the amount of history and it exactly the same mentality today. it rachel, it living in paris, i or how do it on a, on, on your micro level, in the, in everyday life for me is the risk of phobia gone up in the love of ukraine and increased. i mean, how do they look at those? i mean marco's absolutely right. yeah. i mean, we're spoon fed, you know, on a daily basis, the same message over and over again. but is ukraine love of ukraine and hatred of russia is i can get of the citizens through the winter now. and it's really interesting that question you bring up because very few people ask it, actually, we're being told what to think on french tv and the plurality of information has decreased ever since they shut. you know, i sputnik r t it's, it's very difficult li, accessible from here in europe. but yeah, i mean, i notice and talking to people that the thinking is changing. now that they realize

the average person realizes there's an actual personal price to pay. it's gone from yes, we should support ukraine. yes, of course. you know, russia shouldn't bother them and we should do what we can to help them in our freedom, democracy, blah, blah, blah, because that's what we were told. now the thinking is more, well, you know, there is a lot of corruption there. it's not really our problem. it's, we're going to really suffer for this. and you know, what point is this and how to, what's the exit ramp for this? and as we know, there is no exit rapp being presented anywhere. so yeah, people are starting to shift their mindset and i'm noticing that, especially in the last month or so. marco, i'd like to finish up the program here. basically the same question. i mean, the k is notoriously anti russian rusito b as basically was born there. so it's worth, i mean,

cold this winter because it will make you feel good. wearing your sweater that your spot is fighting. vladimir putin is that work? well, if i had some traction so far as the temperature decline, so will the belief in the proposition decline as well. but i think from the point of view of those who are launching this process, what they, they try to can obviously defeat russia at the beginning of this crisis that filed us. they know they come to terribly, to the rush of all that. i think that hoping for now is using let numerous p r companies to push the proposition of rushes. military setbacks in such a way is to remove competency in russia, in russia's domestic population in their own lead up. and if they could manage to do that, install their implied puppies to. well, they've been trying ration, they've been trying since they bolshevik growth revolution and they've never succeeded. that's all the time we have here many thanks, i guess in london, paris, and in budapest. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at our tc you next

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