again, of who is actually running the country and if it's in capable hands right now. well, yeah, i mean, let's face it. joe biden was elected president from his basement on zoom. i mean, he hardly campaigned at all, and i think it's kind of well understood that there's a couple of obama era advisors and cabinet members who are actually running the show. i don't think, i mean look, if president biden is actually running things in a direct day to day our, by our way, that would come as a surprise, i think, to even his most ardent supporters, if there's anything we have learned about the establishment candidates, is that they never seem to believe it, even with all of those question will comment author, calmness and political cartoonist, ted rall, thank you so much for your time in analysis today and here and that's all for now. be sure to check out our t. v dot com for all and believe is breaking news and updates. we'll see you right

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gray lisa with with hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . western audiences have been flooded with one wave after another, a propaganda when it comes to ukraine. but what matters most is the generation of political and strategic facts. for example, the induction of 4 ukranian regions into russia and the sabotage of the north stream pipelines. these realities will determine the outcome of this conflict with ah,

cross stocking the moment of truth, i'm joined by my guest latimer, goldstein and providence. he is the chair of the department of slavic studies at brown university in washington. we have michael maloof. he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst and in tanzania we have had see he is a conflict consultant in a retired u. s. foreign service officer or a gentleman, cross sock rules and a fact that means he can jump in any time he want. and i always appreciate michael, let me go to you 1st here. political facts are white matter. most armed, joseph morale said this conflict in ukraine will be one on the battlefield. the only thing he's ever said that i agree with. so if we, we have the induction of these 4 regions of ukraine into russia after referenda. and then we have this very strange, but basically very expected as sabotage of the north stream. both are turning points and in for me, because once these provinces regions are part of russia, they will never be negotiated way. there's no negotiation that russia will be involved in and with the sabotage of these pipelines and will probably never be

billed. i wouldn't do it, it bill this be blown up again. i'm the quote unquote leverage moscow had with europe is gone. so where is the ever very different trajectory now? and i'm very emphatic when everything is said and done, one side wins and one side loses. there's no win win here, michael, in watching him. we are not at this point. it appears that all options have been broken now to try to reach a settlement on this thing that, that the hope was that there would be some form of settlement. but this, the sub blowing up of the pipeline seems to have been the proverbial straw. and i think of moscow has basically decided just to look eastward and, and go as your agent past. and that it's going to be very, very difficult for a europeans. and it, it really is a reflection on a, we, for the us ultimately and, and it's oil companies. it basically now has made europe

a slave to us energy once again, because they're going to be needing that very, very shortly. and already the u. s. is at capacity and delivery and the europeans are going to be having a very, very difficult time trying to find any substitutes in the near term. i understand that a chances sholtes of germany was just in saudi arabia didn't get what he wanted. he got was out one shipment, a one ship of ownership. okay. okay. okay. but he alternate, but my one i also, we have to point out you that the energy that europe will be importing from the u. s. will be very, very expensive. okay. is that is the game changer. vladimir, let me go to you because this has been just as much a war on germany as it has been on russia. it's really quite amazing the parallels here because it germany is economy, which is going to have

a very difficult time recovering. remarkably, who would have thought some german companies want to move to america because they have cheaper prices. okay. this is all part of the plan here, but let stay with ukraine here. if there is going to be any kind of negotiated and then the conflicts do have negotiated n, i have to wonder if kevin is even going to be at the table. vladimir your thoughts? yeah, i think 1st thing you have to remember that not nato a stick story, it's kind of old slogan, is to keep russia out in germany down in americans and is blowing up the pipe is just precisely like one master stroke. i would say, which accomplishes these goals, would it, would it also accomplish just a sense of very, very kind of powerful and strong message all over the world, russia and china in particular. i imagine the chinese a, what you, these are with tremendous attention. all it is so some, a tweets from chinese officials, they don't buy, of course, this narrative, that garage isn't of all they know cool, good needed and they know that they can be next because this is i, you know,

they're watching a role people there which and i, what you know, united states can do what the needs are, can do with great attention. so in the long run, it might be sort of a good move, again, say in our germany and russia. but in our j nice, i will definitely will, will, will consider as taking a consideration in there for the policies. and the last point is, of course, as russia, you know, i, you know, i know in russian culture in history is firmly be the, the great rations, all the stake, a where seriously try to be partners, try to learn you them as all the brothers you, them as teachers, but them always that's, you know, sounds like that the more us during that you, they even are eastwood or inward. and i think it's finally with either each this to this point that as a says, you know, who cares what you guys do, you know, we kind of july and you, you can, that you just anything except propaganda except sort of, you know, the conductance of fake shim at if random selections vision changes all over the world. we can do that too. so i think i'm not sure that the west basically,

you know, and they are sending the right message all over the world, the, the teaching people and cynicism which in, out rather than kind of cut grading. and this is very disturbing. so that might, is succeeded in the short term of keeping germany down at benefits in the oil companies. but in the long term, it looks very well. you can't tell what's the pipeline story is very interesting. first of all, we'll probably never know why how it happened because no and is particularly interested other than the russians and trying to find out what happened. but i do, i'd like to point out washington over the last new cycle. it's been very quiet about whose fault it is. that's really unusual, considering everything is rushes fault these a. but ted then people, there are those in europe like the polls like the baltics. they don't want to have any relationship with russia. well, that's basically coming true, right? now, there won't be one, but there's a coffee up to that. then what? brush is not going to have

a relationship with the west. then russia is going to set its own security terms. hence, the induction of these provinces of ukraine into russia. further, others could join it. odessa comes to mind here. so they don't really have to care what the west care, what they think about it. they do have to worry about how the react militarily. but i mean, russia is, can do it. what would needs to do unilaterally based on its own needs? kev is not a reliable interlocutor. and obviously, nato is hostile. go ahead, ted. here this is all the inevitable consequence of not dissolving nato back in 1990 after it's reason for existence, right managed and we've seen over the years that there been attempts to negotiate a better balance between europe and it's american sort of big brother and and weapons provider on the one hand in russia on the other. and that's totally gone downhill since at least the time then glad i

took over is as president the 1st time around. and what we've seen recently is just an astonishing series of actions. and i wouldn't mind taking a 2nd to detail them. you've got the provision advanced and you ship missiles and guidance they are from and you know, training therefore from nato to the ukrainians, to use against rushing into radiation. metals that haven't been shared outside of nato as far as i can tell, you've got a hearing of intelligence for the use in the assassination. in the field of rush and general officers. you've got to use a very high tech guided missile which is accurate and supposedly do within one meter after flying for 300 kilometers to assassinate the ukrainian politician hotel . and there happened by the way to be in our crew right next door to survive check . but only just and finally got the sabotage of the screen pipeline.

let's turn this around and imagine that any one of these things happened to the us . there be hesitation in declaring war yet, well, you bring up the most important point. let me go to michael that kind of flesh this out here because i think, you know, we all know that on friday, vladimir poaching will make a public address. it's highly anticipated considering the events that have been happening. i tend to think my crystal ball reading my tea leaves here. he's going to, he may decide to declare that the us and nato were belligerents in the conflict and ukraine. and that has huge, huge call implications. michael. no, i to, i absolutely agree. we gotta, we're an uncharted waters right now. this is this, this is a and an event that we're seeing a series of events that we're seeing, that there are almost out of control. there's no, there's nobody, there is no leadership. everyone is reacting at this point. and it's going to korea

havoc and it's going to get worse, and i think, and i it see the russians intensifying. i would not doubt that mr. brewton will not only declare nato and us as belligerence, but also try to maybe even consider sc severin. diplomatic relations because the blowing up of their pipeline in effect was an act of war. so i think the and i and michael and michael, they can add to that. it is a declaration of war the way i look at it. but michael, importantly also civilian infrastructure is no longer, you know, it's not no longer for bowden. they've sent that message. ok, vladimir, you are not in your head an agreement. go ahead. yeah, i think it's a, it's opens up on the under a box if you wish. and i think i went to, to join to this boy and we're just said that it wasn't. and there's have been the reticent about, you know, blame in russia, but also similar dennis, there was a here that right away in the region companies and that region government norwegian,

represent there, say we are watching for our pipeline. and we have been all the forces of nature to defend it. so why, why are they saying that? it means like they, they, they afraid like the answer back that they did something, and now there's a watch out. we're gonna defend our pipeline. so this is, this is a very uncharted territories and i think it's a short termism. ultimately, i have a feeling that, you know, this is for endo and, you know, join, you know, this guy's company was, it was like really a decisive chest move. so i think the, the decided to have them move, but i think how it's going to play out eventually between the us in a debate with germany. it's a known and i think, i'm not sure from what we've seen so far from western leadership that they actually, you know, consider all the options, all the variance. you know, i don't think that, you know, they have stupid people,

but they might have people like short term people who are sometimes based decisions on their other kind of false information which they get from give government which allows you to write. so they might, based on, on the fold your premise, what vladimir of a faulty narratives create faulty policy outcomes. we're seeing this right in real time here. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the events in ukraine, st with ah, ah, a, with

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this kind of but it was a show is hands against you green. so this thing was coming for last with a place. not that it suddenly we spend the 11 finding ah ah, welcome back to cross like we're all things are considered. i'm peter level manager . we're discussing events in ukraine with okay, let's go back to 10 and 10 mania. i want to, i want to fly something you said earlier about the intelligence assistance, the ukraine by nato countries. i think that, you know, with the pipeline incident that the sabotage there in your mind as a former, for a foreign service officer. would you be surprised, for example,

that suddenly nato satellite started dropping out of the sky. this is, this is a very, very important element of ukraine's defense posture right now offensive pastor considering most analysts, military people have told me that the ukranian army was destroyed during the summer . so in every single way russia is fighting nato. so why should those satellite stay in the sky, ted? well, my only answer would be sort of a prayerful hope that we prevent world war 3 here. but unfortunately, kids are chad as an entirely legitimate tactic. in a situation like this, you know, with civilian infrastructure, as you say, destroyer for that matter. 1000000000 hotel that was targeted by, you know, a guided missile, forgot to say, for an assassination of one person. talking about overkill.

someone's got to be rational here. someone's got to be reasonable, but we can't keep expecting russia to be that someone all the time without some kind of reciprocation. and as you noted earlier, it's, it's as though there's been a deliverer, bernie of the bridges. so there's no going back. and no one wants in washington, it seems in nato capitals. no one wants the possibility, a real negotiations for some kind of least bad alternative lasting piece. yeah, well that's because they've created this rhetorical environment where you can't take a word back. you can't, because if you're reasonable, that's appeasement. that's munich. ok. they're in a trap. there are no linguistic mind trap. they can't get out of michael. we have to talk about these a republics joining on russia because they will become russian soil sovereign. and the russians have made it very clear. this isn't a bluff. now this is the next stage, and we're in the most dangerous stage of all,

because russia will defend these, these new russian republics. go ahead, michael. no, absolutely i. i fully anticipate that happening and that's, that's one of the reasons why there was an effort to bring them immediately into the rush russian federation and to, and it's basically a red line for a ukraine you, if you start showing them again, we're gonna attack and i and i anticipate that russian attacks will occur more, more, a, in a much more definite way. and particularly as window reproaches. and i also see greater cyber attacks to get at the point that you were talking about earlier, not only against the, the, the ukrainians and their ability to communicate, but also against the west. generally, i think there may be actually a severance, a sub in,

of communications in some respects between russia and let's say washington itself, breaking up potential diplomatic relations. now this thing could escalate very, very rapidly and it will easily get out of control. but the, the, the whole, the whole notion of, of, of ukraine attacking the provinces now are going to be very, very dire. if, if they go ahead and do something like that. and, and i then see attacks on the leadership positions and the command control areas. unlike what we've seen before, that is exactly a vladimir, you know, he's in, i mean, from where i am here in moscow is i have to admit a level of frustration. it looks like the russian military is fighting with one arm tied behind its back. i mean, a care of is in one piece layer command and control is in one piece of the have a hotel, men trail and poland. i mean, you know, i, hey, at what point does it say enough is enough?

we know we're all the entry points are we know we can see everything going on. and hey, look, we'll give you 30 minutes to clear your guys because the missiles are coming in and they're going to destroy everything coming across the border because they can see it. go ahead vladimir. yeah, i think this is veronda and it's joining of this for, for the 6 are very, very important. and they important primarily, you know, for domestic russian audience. because, you know, let's not forget the russians, unbelievable to portray orgy. and they went all this, you know, you know, particular the wars against a point on and he's there and this and that. so now you know, it's not like, you know, we have to fight in a need somewhere in the green, and then there is a lose arguments. nathan, defense, a defense helpless grade. now what ration bob will see is this in a dog and the grain and others i actually taken in invading and warming, and destroying russian dead is good. so that will definitely a big impact,

beth. and i think we were talking about, you know, waking up a bear and i think russians for the country for their, for defense of their land. they do anything, you know. and if they do much more than the western us or americans or anyone because americans are not rated americans are coming to russia during the week. and as we'll fight back with all the have. so i think it's a very minute danger game and i think public, again, when there is like, you know, something happening, it would be on the agreement that is already maybe a russian public, which is a lot latin send in bomb bomb us. do you know to v o key of or something, but if you ration did it or is it again and again again, then they'll be a giant outright. let's keep them back and then i don't know, you know, who will benefit from it? you know, 10, are they the memory of the 2nd world war and the west is dimmed. there's a lot of revisionism going on. but what happened in june 1941 is, is seared into the memory,

the consciousness of every russian. and they have vowed never to let that happen again. that's why i'm agreeing with what. but vladimir had to say, this is visceral for them. victory day is the most sacred day in the calendar. the west doesn't seem to get that 10. we don't study history anymore. there we give it up for watching the car dash, and it's quite frankly, there is no communal memory because that generation passed away. we think we understand what happened because we seeing documentaries on tv or cbs or whatever entertainment channel happens to be pretending to be a history channel. but it's not the same thing, not the blood and soil mixed together the way there was in different soviet territory and certainly in russia. so you're absolutely right. there's a huge balance of memory here in a grievance having to do with in day and,

and i just, i don't see a way forward militarily for the west other than continuing to, to seemly expensive materials into ukrainian hands. and they're going through them faster than the west can provide them as far as i felt. so at some point there's going to be a crisis supply charity, if you will. i think the person is are going to start being zipped close, especially as you mentioned before when the cold winter. so i don't see a good way forward here is in terms of continuing on but, but now the bridges have been burned, nor do i see a way back towards diplomacy. i do actually, i have to completely agree with you michael. i've over the last couple of weeks i had this habit of asking those questions because i like it because it brings out different responses. so it's your turn to answer this one who's got the clocks and who's got the time in this conflict. go ahead. at this point, i think russia does,

again, which ways both, both are what one of the other the clock in. what was the other one, like clock in time. i got the clock who's got the time. i think he, i think russia has both. it can, it can, it can hold out for as long as it can, the united states is up against a very serious selection coming up. the people don't like this, you, this war. and, and they have other things on their mind. and the, and the europeans are getting fed up and, and they're, and they're, they're seeing that this is getting them know where you got protests going on in germany now. and all that russia has to do is wait it out. and, and it's going to be, it will, i think the europeans are gonna ultimately recoil from all of this and, and finally say enough it in spite of the fact that that victoria newland and company are back there, pushing, pushing, pushing. but at some point, they're going to see that this is not benefiting them. they're going to have are

very harsh winter, and the russians have been through it all before they can do it again. i think that hardship that you talk about is probably genetic in the rush in the rush. and yeah, i mean, they, it's one of the things you learned that living among russians, that there is a high level of stoicism. they're very stoic when it gets there. when you're up against the wall, they're very stoic and they, they work in unison. other than that they never do. but when, when they, when they're threatened, they come together and, and something, something to watch. well vladimir a, the, well, the, the idea of that, the brush, the idea of having regime change in russia, which is ridiculous here. but i, i do foresee a regime change in berlin. i think sergeant schultz will be sent packing. and his coalition very soon. yeah, i did say that sergeant schultz. go ahead. vladimir. that's absolutely the case. i think the interactions on the pressure i get together. so even if there be like

a yearly people talk about the gym change or you'll be like absolutely tougher guy if there is some changes, russia, which will, it would be, i even of notes as guides. but in terms of german in england, you know, they, they don't have time. we, she brought us the radia up to like, our one month in the office already. you know, least ross is doing the kind of thought a bungalow economy. germany is not gonna do well. well, you know what i, what i want to stress is that, yes, those who no history, those been russians know that they can persevere. but i think western calculations hours based on some is, were said, falls, georgia. they get some that strange that g 6 which tells them that rational economies week rises don't have. this wasn't on the earlier that you graham's ascend this information again to washington. say yes, yes, yes, we are winning rations are collapsing, they are running out of ammunition there. i'm out of this equipment. so this idea that i saw the running out, it says ready?

very naive, very faulty, but i think you know, so in other words, rasa does have diamond logan a hand, but the west actually thinks that we do. and that's when endangered a. but it is, if you ever come to the fight with a gun unloaded and think it's loaded as opposed to your one and what will happen, but i think, well, you know, dime will dell. of course, you know, well, time one how, but i'm, i'm, i'm, i'm, i'm protecting that lives trust will be looking for political asylum in care of before the end of the winter. that's my prediction. it's all the time we have gentlemen many, thanks some i get some province washington and intends mania. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time remember, stuck with ah,

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