made themselves loud and clear. first, we have the sabotage of the north stream pipelines and it's pretty obvious who did it. i don't want to dwell on it, but we have to dwell on the fact that it is no longer going to be of any practical use for keeping europe warm and keep its industry moving through this winter. also, the 2nd important political fact where the outcomes of the referendums that were held in ukraine and their induction, all but official right now into russia. and so here we have, here we are, we have a complete break between europe and russia and almost every single sense right now . and we have ukraine going under going under a massive transformation, which all 3 of us could have easily predicted and actually impacted your thoughts. george? no, this is a very good introduction. what really happened now is a disastrous outcome that was entirely predictable. once on the

west bar on the policy are using ukraine in order to destroy russia. because what does really happen is that your brain continues to diminish. so we have the 1st phase was the loss of crimea back in 2014. now we have these 4 regions that are now lost forever, as all of this tool that we have heard a few months from so realist, phone policy think that, well, maybe we can revise to, you know, we'll have a mid spring that's gone. that's not, that's not happening anymore. and now course lee says west, glad go. we're not, nothing changes. we're going to continue to pour in our,

your grey. we're going to go on site thing forever. well, then, much more of your brain is going to be lost. there it goes. no, we've got this region. well, there's a black sea coast, you know, it's just going to be a more dean would you should offer you. great. a martin is them, burrell, just browse the foreign policy chief of the you. he says, makes it more difficult even impossible for this war to end. well, that's really quite interesting. it's because, considering the fact that the, they're the ones that want to continue it. and i, i finally, really curious for the war to an end the way he wants to see. but this is the point, this is the breach. these, this is, these are the political facts that i'm talking about. you know, you can share a referendums and all of that, it doesn't make any difference on the ground. ok, that's the problem here. and this is what the west is done. their, their battle is rhetorics and putting in

a munitions into ukraine. that's it. that's their only policy, and they don't have an outcome that is even within the realm of possibility, smarter borrow company taking. serious. i mean to mention it's a, it's a minor miracle. how you got the children 1st, but you should remember there's a stitch of them in between european groups in brussels to always give that post to a socialist format of trying to come country. so he was in line for it and he got the job, but he's joke, this is the same. brill don't forget the, when the war kicked off, did not make a bee line to put to putin and moscow that she went to washington. and made this rather absurd, no speech. talking about her stepping up or west, a strength against russia, you know, talking of the war macro, went to moscow macro and being a more respected to leader that can actually talk,

talk and represent the european union. so burrell couldn't even represent you. he was so prophetic, he was, he was so weak and effective. he had to do his little rent on the stage next to his left wing. so if this buddy biden, but i think come, we've got to thinking wrong, you know, and it's amazing how so much time passes and you thinking is we can win. this is really on the question of time. you know, and we see people that girl make these ridiculous statements, you know, but the truth, the truth is, i mean, mean there's also playing a role. but i think that you really got something wrong. and when we see such things as the know stream pipelines being blown up, you know, it's amazing, isn't it? how so few people in the west actually just drew breath and ask a few simple questions like why enough were pushing blow up his own oil pipeline. when he could just switch it off, you know, as he did recently with it's league,

you know, i mean, he doesn't need to do the history on x. closing explodes isn't doing these, you know, come on to run things which are probably gonna make a, a, b, or c run, move in hollywood at some point. you know, we've lost a plot, we lost the noun shift. you know, there's a certain hopelessness now, amongst western countries, which is partly responsible why you have this. don't love microns, a new plan for an e, you $2.00 where he's not going to, he's gonna sort of muster together. 20 some member states plus neighbors like u. k, ukraine and turkey to try and you fast track, big decision policy making and the cost of that list that are cool, it and you on me, but i can assure you, it isn't the army. it's been on the record. you know, the beginning of the french presidency last year. yeah. she said, we need to you me. so this is what's in the pipeline because the, you actually believes, you know, stuff stalking you. she believes there's an army, they have soldiers from,

from the been a lot spain, with blue on bands on the show. so that would actually deter putin in you create that it would scare him. it would push him back. and this is the way they're thinking that they don't understand it, understand how that would make they did that once it was under the poll your we know how that george also the ukrainian president zalinski is going to be all that his arms and said, i'm not going to have to put in any more. wow, if anybody cares in why would talk. there's a lensky in the 1st place where he can probably call somebody in washington. george . yes, and it's not a particularly wants to talk to him. says he is openly say, are the people in charge in here, but the purpose of the united states,

i mean they, they have no decision making capabilities, which, you know, because when those supposed to be in agreement signed in a sample in march, he was told in no uncertain terms you want to sign the agreement. so yeah, that is a what's interesting, you know, this is that he then presented a application to nature and then a unanimous approval of this because he knows that he's been told by, you know, sensible members of major, no way we're going to sign up on this and even jake saw them a little bit about this and also that's not really the main issue so, so that's like a job. a kind of begs the question, i mean,

what if, if you crane did miraculously become part of nato, then nato in russia would be in a state of war. i mean, they even the very thought of having ukraine in nato as at this moment breaks all the rules of e. nato membership. i mean they, they blow a pipeline, they change the rules, they change everything in the middle of the game and then point the finger, the other guy. i think you did martin reflect upon that. go ahead. yeah, i'm, you know, as a journalist, a shame to be the 4th state which is playing a huge role in all, you know, i mean the media really is a, you know, towing the line on this not answer from the west on this, the history on except blowing up pipelines and pointing the finger at, you know, i wonder where, where that was. so leading, i mean whether, whether we were actually at some point on hold journalists or major organizations

to account. you know, i mean the, the whole question of nature membership is george race. you know, it's hilarious. i, we, we probably don't realize just how weak the west is when it comes to actually going to war with the service. you know, we talk the talk because the ministry spending, you know, even if germany, to spend a 100000000000 euros and to ramp up this military, you know, and, and now we're talking about on the, you are me. so we don't have the strength, the courage to fortitude, you know, and to, to knows that. and this idea of ukraine joining nature is just hilarious because it's just a one more payoff. so i think for nature, you know, i mean. busy is, can, can pump out this absolute guff about nordic, not stream one and to being blown up. you know, to look at, look at the realities of this, of this, this, we can call it an act of terrorism. you know, by them actually when on the record and said we will stop these pipelines,

you know, and his is half with deputy harris said the same thing. you know why joan is not joining up the lines because i told not to that told that's not the kind of stories on the think now that i guess a civilian infrastructure is on, on the chess board now. ok, i mean i just after the attack this out of the north stream pipeline for a new baltic by going was introduced. so i don't know something could happen to that, i suppose. yeah, i think i think biden is playing a midterms coming up. so the timing, this is very interesting, but i think also it's all about business. you know, the american and g company is a cleaning up. and the idea is the european countries become more and more dependent on america. in terms of energy dependency would also political as well. there is a deficit, you know, and, and that deficit may,

will want to as the months go post when more and more countries start taking a different viewpoint of what we're doing. and ukraine is still asking some, some difficult questions or how do you think there's some kind of relationship martin between the temperature going down and eventually acts asking some serious questions. you think there's somehow related it will actually intensify? and i think of the next few weeks when people really start suffering. i mean, her industry stuffing, suffering the even our grandparents probably couldn't even imagine in the 2nd world war during the blitz and fixed on when, when that suffering starts. i think i don't, is very much aware of this mean binding must be, is, is, administration must be incredibly disappointed in how things are going. and when he looks at european union, you know, in until that explosion of that pipeline, which of course, he did the idea that the american, i mean, the people are so incredibly naive. you know, they'd be, i've read articles where people have actually question whether, you know, the,

the america this concealed great moral fortitude. we'll actually do such a jump in here. we have to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our ah, with a mouse another why you why do you easy while friend ah, is young or, you know it's

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welcome back to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm funeral. well, this is the home edition to remind you were discussing some real news with ok. let's go back to the, into the break. you want to finish up your point. please do. well, the point is that things are not happening quickly enough to buy them in europe. they need a catastrophe to unfold much, much more clear until that point where the pipeline was blown up. you had this preposterous situation where the e was bang on creating sanctions against russia, which wasn't even past, but a number of countries still taking gas and oil. so you know, for lincoln to say, i think yesterday that this was a great thing and the opportunities you preempted me because that's exactly the question. and i have your georgia and the secretary of state said that the north

stream explosions are a tremendous opportunity. i mean, again, this is, this is all their, their propaganda right now, this is, you know, this is an opportunity for a energy gram, 2 days or 2 to create a very submissive europe, which i'm never really interested because in the, they've lose their productivity. do you think the americans are going to sell and g on the cheap? i doubt it. ok. these are private companies. they're going to gouge all they can because their customers, their newfound customers are going to be in such desperate need. so, you know, the whole thing about, you know, the european union was 2 things. the promise was prosperity and security. they have neither and the you are just make it even worse, george. yes, of course, this was entirely obvious from the beginning, and there was the united states back starting back in 2004 with the orange

revolution that was going to use your brain in order ultimately to diminish and then destroy russia. and europe was going to get in the way and from the start of europe, victoria new choice words, right? yeah, exactly. is continued to follow the american line. and it will be obvious . it was obvious, you know, here soon as they started the imposing the mother of all sanctions that the europeans were going to suffer because it was the europeans who are the most dependent on russian energy, russia. and so now, you know, with clearly the americans were concerned that with winter coming, going to be strong protest in europe. and pressure would grow on sergeant schultz to knock it up. come to an agreement with russia and get that north street to bike

line. go and you know, who to send in some of the shanghai corporation organization. hey, you want gas just on the wow. and we've got gas and you know, we can look at it. we can see reading the polls in germany, the out there, not a party is rising and they are explicitly saying, hey, turn on the screen to. so clearly this is the united states was very concerned that pressure is going to go in europe to say to finally, you know, let's talk some sense, get the slave gas coming and the american step in and brought it to. and so now, you know, the european economy is in a tailspin and you know, the worst of all industries i'm moving out of germany to the united states, say, well, you know, with secure energy supplies in the united states, we don't have it anymore in germany. money it's, it's interesting that i constantly phrase this as a nato's warren russia and we georgia i have discussed on our podcast. the guy we

have the russians are using a new term over the last few weeks. the collective west. ok, but there is another conflict going on here and it's a war on western war on germany. i mean, it's really extraordinary to me, the length of the you will do to batter down and germany. we still have the hope, the praise keep the russians out, the germans down in the americans in i said, i thought that was a cold war paradigm. i actually survived the cold war because we're seeing it right now. ready but i think it's right to the american should fear germany, because no matter which way things go in the next few months. you know, it's clear that germany will take more of the role more of a leading role on behalf of the and also prison interests. i mean, you know, it's not just about increasing military spending, which, you know, she was pulled off. i mean, it was quite quite something to actually present that to the palmer. but i'm not

sure how to face the opprobrium from media of people who would say, well, hang on, you know, we don't really want district to repeal. so we don't want another, you know, a military situation that we had in the, in the late thirties. but, you know, germany is there are signs that germany is developing as a superpower on its own. i think the, the move towards being a bigger military power. and then looking for partners to written about and recent articles in germany has had the not in the week wink from a number of countries who said, well look in a if you will do a bit of peacekeeping here. and then you want to, you want to invade a few countries in the middle, it would probably support. you're going to go wrong with that plan. so you already going to you, me in the making on the german side, not to mention the one i mentioned on the french side. so it's quite normal. i think that the americans will look at germany as a so adversary. now some of the, the can't be trusted to pull the lions, but there's much, much worse to come. because if the front goes ahead, america goes ahead with this new european communities model is, you know,

this will alienate the americans and the nature even further. and this idea of this notion is wet dream. the french generals away interviewed in 2008 of and the european pillar within nature will come about. and i, i can't see anything positive on the american side of that, you know, slowly the credibility of nature starts to wind down and it loses stuff, loses edges our, it's influence when it has to refer to europe on some of these big decisions. if it doesn't have the unit with it, in some of the hot spots around the world, it's can be quite difficult for it to function. we should never forget the before the ukraine will started, native had a serious credibility problem and a real problem with this image around the world. and so you claim war and to, to the source on it, done it quite a favor, i think, you know, is managed to pull of all over the lives of a lot of people in europe to say, oh, well, actually nature does have a role. you know, but people don't really understand. you can talk to talk so long before as

a military organization, you actually have to walk the walk. you actually have to face people and face buddhists and face artillery. and i don't as ever going to happen. so in my view, in the longer game nature will always have this credibility problem. well, i think, i think the outcome of this conflict in ukraine will be definitive for the few do in game. and george, it's really interesting i'm, i'm glad martin brought this all it because we've talked to a great length in the past. about nato is basically at the top of the ladder. ok, it's not. it's not the un nato that are parallel. no, it's it. nato. now is dictating you policy and good to go back to martin's point here, who's going to be the top dog of nato? if you know the germans would like it, we've talked about what, what charging so to said over the last few weeks, it's historically, it's very scary, but it wasn't given much coverage here. of course the americans want to keep it as theirs. and in the chrome is making a pitch in the absence of anglo merkel,

you know, his own pitcher. and so here we have, i think that the nato is going to absolve it's all very badly in this conflict. it may even shatter it altogether. and the u. is the, is the huge casualty to as well. it's all about is going to be top dog of this military alliance that should have been dissolved 40 years ago. go ahead church. well, it wasn't dissolved on the country as nato visited south. that is going to be a global military alliance, and so all the talk about global. so the idea roughly speaking is as the americans conceive it is that, well will be a kind of a division of labor. so we have your, and i will have germany, our loyal deputy marshall that will be in charge of the military in europe while we can then move into asia and do our containment policy towards china in asia. and the problem that they have is they

really don't know how to fight this war. a crane because a low grade. if you put all the numbers on paper, why look at how strong we are? because you know, so the countries you actually true. so not all the way we were so strong compared to russia. yeah, but you don't have any means. well, actually fighting a war in ukraine. i mean how, how this even happen. i would need to be able to move into your brain now without essentially russia destroying nature, infrastructure destroying, and they can make reports if you, before you ever even got anywhere near your grade. or even if you americans try to bring in forces when elsewhere. you great, it does happen. so this is just me. you know, you have to use the old phrase dissipate, but i, you know, you added all are well, maybe powerful alliance. how are we going to fight a war?

yeah, well martin, i mean, people have told me i'm very openly and honestly, is that at least in the 1st few months of the conflict to your nato countries sent the chunk that they had in the, in the, in the, in the shed outside, you know, that they didn't need anymore, and they've and then we've gotten to the point where, well they're passing a spending bills to actually build equipment that doesn't even exist yet to be sent there, or maybe next year. again, it shows the destroy the destruction of the pipelines. shows that they do not want to have any kind of diplomacy to end the conflict their, their goal is to continue to lead russia. and so it's all about, you know, who's got the time. and i've been over the last 2 weeks about all of my guess who's got the clocks and he's got the time every single one says the russians have both your thoughts. yeah, i think the key thing here is that i think there's a real fear amongst you release that we're going to run out of time that we're not

gonna get through this winter without huge upheaval, riots, a breakdown of criminal of law and order. and you know, some of these governments are going to stop toppling and will some one a lot less when governments, your trouble because of such issues. you know, usually they replaced by right wing governments and this, and then you get this follow up. you get this momentum of people actually taking power within the european parliament by right wing seats as well, which is a massive nightmare for the, for the, for the federalist and brussels are around the shows that, you know, so it really is all about on time. and i think time is running out and whether we will actually get to february or march before the whole project starts falling to pieces real. i think i think we really made, i think the leaders really made a massive missed judgment. you know, we look when it started, you know,

it's amazing how far is johnson in person actually managed to throw his weight behind the grill, in terms of promising money and standing firm with nature and all that. i'm being the leader. incredibly, he didn't actually have to face any account, pamela people, a person i've argued, i recently wrote one of my opinion pieces that we want, we need in the west are safety checks, you know, safety catches on huge policy decisions. so, you know, our hardware leader. so if you look, if you notice are becoming more and more stupid, we're going down exactly what it is. there's no check on this political lead here at all the time we have here. i want to thank my guess in budapest and in medication, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are you see you next? i remember. ah ah.

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a, we're not reacting to imaginary threats and distant countries. we are defending our borders, our homeland, our entire people from actual genocide. russia is called diplomatic comments on the accession of all new regions into the country. the lower house of parliament just now ratifying the move, also ahead for you in this program. this is one of the places that the ukranian military had destroyed after getting an anonymous tip off to investigate devastating artillery. shelling and no guns can speak to a t t a who says he was hired by ukraine to identify civilian target.