say it's a, it's a symbolic attack on, you know, to stop as american officials put it depend european dependency on the russian gas. it's also the 2nd thing. it's an attack on the symbol. both the crimean bridge and the north stream have been a symbol of, you know, russian power, energy, power, geopolitical power, and the, you know, bombing them was an important act of sabotage or act of terrorism. i wouldn't, you know, perhaps go as far as the suggestion, that's exactly what it looks like. and finally, it's a, it's a, it's a 3rd way. it's a check and it's an important security court. you know, the crime in bridge is an important logistics route for the russian troops defending premier care song. and that is important in the wake of the plan, the premium counter offensive on that region. and the north stream is an important element in the russian energy security. and most important,

perhaps for yours european energy security. it's not the software that mostly in europe will end up in the ultimate losers here. so, you know, as they used to say back in the day, we protest who is, who's gaining from all of that data from all this, i need to set it up perfectly for you. well, i think that basically was a bridge is mostly psychological because they're a real connection with just the explosion that you know, the small stuff have been passing since evening, you know, since evening or saturday or k b i fairies. but in general, it's not a long time, so that damage is, wants to say go. i want to look at that in

a broader perspective. i important point to ship a landed roches defeat would be america problem, and there is a now in this article would profit. let me quote, a student, the ukrainian victory. what strengths on the same political forces in the united states could use the counterproductive excesses of the you or you are a liberal procedures will grow? i mean, finally the success of studios or favor and the quote that i think is not because you're going to, people are not going to profit right now. you are being a, you know, been technically technically unable to get the amount of russian best that they could get, you know, in case it most seem to austin on, stayed intact. right. so these find this one is i go to the

ultimate benefit, are the people i want to profit from it. i don't know for sure with the broker. see this they, i use ingredients in the same way. they use syrian rebels in 2011, 2000. well, this is not my thought. i read it in there to review and i agree with it. so we know that these forces are destructive and when americans and europeans are asking the question, why is it that china india a lot of african countries, the middle east? why are they so reluctant to condemn russia? well, precisely because the big just in case of this, so you bring in big 3 will be in the know can show it and the broker say this will destroy them. you those who destroy much of it. and there's, there's a particularly when it comes to the bridge max,

we have to say the obvious in this is when it's made a lot of people here, very angry at russian territory. i mean, is that it's happened once, is a going to happen again. i mean, and i think all of us are in agreement that you know, we'll never know what happened in north stream, usually happens. ok, we think because i would be the investigation of the powers that be the noun will never be held accountable. but i mean, this is begging a reaction and it seems to me, and this is my own, the only opinion is it, this is like, particularly with the attack on the bridge, it's a fundraising event to show you know, the ukrainians are taking the initiative the, the the russians are on the back foot. it's a way to keep ukraine top of mind. ok, because i have no illusions about the outcome of this conflict. ukraine will be destroyed. ok, be utterly destroyed. it's just how that happens. so i'm sorry to be so cynical, but you know, it, you know, ukraine was top of the headlines again because the attack on the bridge is already

been pointed on this program. it's already operating hours afterwards. your thoughts mass? well, i think. busy you know, as, as is important or whatever your korean officials and policymakers think and take action or stance. the secondary here and i think for mar, russian policy makers is also kind of secondary in the sense that was important as to see the signals and the reaction from coming from washington. and i think we've seen some change in that position over the over the several months here. as we remember back in the day when the americans for suppliers ukrainians with high mars the state department, try to, you know, highlighted that the do not endorse attacks on the russian territory for say, you know, and only those weaponry will be used against, you know, the russian positions on your training territory and things like this. now now

we'll see some actors behind ukraine are either openly cherishing those attacks as the ones coming from the baltics or making pretty dubious. but pretty, a clear signal since coming from washington that they actually appreciate and approve of the attacks. now, what will make of that is an attempt to, and at the same time, the same people speak about the dangers of the russian s. go to the rhetoric on the use of nuclear arms and stuff, but the same people are actually in my view pushing the conflict to a new level where you. busy the attack open the attack on civil and infrastructure is no longer a taboo, and actually are inviting russia to launch these attacks. ok. and that, i think something, you know, if you read a couple of weeks ago, but we haven't actually started, i think, i think she actually meant that not the use of nuclear,

dr. jackson. but exactly the things that russia can do, the damage, the russia can do with conventional weapons, disrupting the logistics and disrupting the civilian infrastructure that would disrupt the communication of your credit intelligence, all kinds of things. and i think those attacks are actually inviting a master to do that, whether it will follow that path is of course, a big question mark that every policy maker in a this is period cynicism here. uh huh. i'm going to ask you a question that a lot of people are asking me after the attack on the bridge. why are ro, ukrainian bridge is still standing then? well, they're already coasted. russia was suggesting to destroy the radical position to retaliate. well, i would say that since the russian army, since president would have not yet agreed to use such methods, i think it's

a radio position because again, this is something that americans to log on to stand, you know, the view this war. so what would be an american for some evidence for us ukrainians in distinguish across? i mean in 90 percent of the cases, if you agree in person came to worst one spoke russian to me. he's right, he's are, russian would be so i would be able to tell, or maybe this would be someone from the south of someone from a lot of people speak with the corrections that then people come from to year or from deeper control. so for us, this is not an 80 and theory. these are not ease, you know, these people are exactly like us. they'll be just separate from us for 30 years by 4 star media. i will pick up on what the max is just said, you know the problem with the moral, with the moral side, all these actions. i mean, this isn't right now,

how did you react to this explosion on the gray mean beach during which 2 civilians die? absolutely innocent civilians. ok, we do not know the truck driver was here. comic garza was to just used by the spectrum services but to people and then it was mr. for the next reaction. crimea preach. this is the stop, isn't illegal, has to be destroyed. everything you great question. and so the moral of these people there ethics is exactly why that gary raynichol morals over there. 2020th century. i know just, you know, it's, like i said, a, you know what, you the same, wait for the current american shipment for the leadership of the u. s. in the house . could you see russia is moral, even if you feed it, even if you expose the bridge, just if you're just rock or appliance, if you kill

a lot of people, lot civilians were nothing to do with the war. this is all more or, you know, if you have to humiliate you are russians. they say, you know, road good. you, the american can just put it very well. will these people ever since this is the sign with anderson is political sports. okay. and that point we're going to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break and after that chopper, we'll continue our discussion on some really stay with our team. ah, ah the well joe middle alex, she's just see nothing from nobody but i just want to talk and then go to

italian. real name is logical which was good enough courage. who else could i which is public if the enemy nobody has enough. okay. for making guardlick says, nights for museum bush and below that season. now she did the way people really nazis almost is it the way it was? yes. it just had like, i don't, i don't bus and deal. this wouldn't have happened if need divide and didn't push this agenda. this was like that because i'm the boss on the start. a city to what about a it's not a good one of the student will not put us okay to film was december

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tolten is the aggressor today. i'm authorizing additional strong sanctions today. russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing up in the future. almost of course, renewed as we speak on the bill in your senior, mostly mine, or wish you were banding all in ports of russian oil and gas, new g i g of hope with the letter from you know, with regard to joe biden and imposing these sanctions on russia, you has destroyed the american economy, so there's your boomerang. ah, welcome back to cross doctor all things considered. i'm peter. well, this is the home edition to remind you were discussing some real news

with let's go back to max here in moscow were all in moscow on this edition of the program. you sent it earlier in the 1st part of the program. these are, i don't see the attacks on the, the, the pipeline as and the, and the bridges and some kind of strategic defeated. think it's more of a, of a media storia. as i said earlier, to keep ukraine in the news. but, you know, and in the, if there's a certain point when a foreign country back by a very strong country in the united states, in this country, in this situation, i mean, this is an attack on your territory. i mean, this doesn't that call for a declaration of war. i mean, we've gone from the special military operation to something else. i mean, is that going to far, is that being in patient?

well, i understand those who are calling for the declaration of war and you know, talking about the need to for full mobilization all kinds of suggestions at the same time, i think since this is a clear publication. and since, since this did the math and so for this propagation, were picked in pretty radical way, you know, it's clear that the crimea bridge has been defended by a strong entry error defense system. so they chose the, quite specific mildly way of attacking it to, to, to make damage. so this clearly, as i said before, invites a russian to, to immediate, kind of new jersey reaction in a similar fashion, which i think is not going to happen. i see there is a difference between said similar attacks on the russian military base and syria by

isis terrace back in the day when russians immediately launch, you know, how a fire on their positions here is a more strategic and more kind of smart das here and obviously, and before the investigation is over and the russian enforcement under knows what exactly happened and who's behind that. i think the retaliation will be big 10 more cold blooded manner and not necessarily need to print the issue here because we're great. they are hearing russia, the induction for new regions, republic into the russian federation. ok. now crimea is now russian. so, when, when messages moscow sending to these new republics, i mean, the deal was, you know, of course we're going to protect you and i was double back here. but i think part of the calculus on the western side is to intimidate because i strongly believe it

. i've been saying it per month. and that's one reason it explains the special military operation. it's, it's page we, you liberate areas and you convince people. yeah, we're going to protect you. we're going to stay here. you don't, you know, we're not gonna run away. ok. this is a tax on the bridge is sending a very strong message and i think that's what a lot of people are saying. are you going to react to this? sorry to be so hard core as they say, but i think it's part of the discussion that's absolutely no, i don't disagree with that. none of that, i totally think this is the case, and i totally think that it's important for the people who voted to rejoin join with russia is to, to send a clear message that they are a defendant and they're not going to be abandoned or, you know, so in the 100 the bus of the ukrainian military absolutely. so in this sense. busy there is a need to as well, not switch back, but i would say it's important to not pretend as if nothing has really happened.

you know, i agree with my, with my colleague, mitre here in terms of kind of strategic communications that haven't been much disruption. it's more symbolic at the same time, you know, because this is now being picked up by cranium propaganda and the western mainstream media. they're trying to spin and you know, double down on the screen, the contra fences and the rushes and retreat. and that message has stayed there for over a month. now i think that that is dangerous in terms of shape and perception. and you know, it's feeling cold for fear in the people. so the need for action on the russian side is definitely there. and i believe some changes are being made right this minute, including in the direction of the russian military operations in the, in the defense ministry. so in a mean we've,

we've had reports of endless number of reports over the last few weeks. i mean, i max and again, gave it a good introduction. the 1st part of the program, you know, it's a certain weapon systems they wouldn't send to ukraine by no troops on no boots on the ground. you know, we heard this in, we've seen how we, this is a progression. it's mission creep here. now you have them in the main broad sheets in the united states, gleefully talking about the cia footprint in ukraine. i mean, this is kind of, again, this is kind of flaunting it in front of me in front of the russians. you know, we're involved in this, i, me, this is what really worries me and all this ridiculous talk about russia using nuclear weapons. there has been no talk of it here. it's only been an invention in western media. but nato and politically united states are a co belligerent no matter how you come here and with these high profile attacks. i mean, at one point in time, russia is going to say you're, you're, you're

a co belligerent here in the, in. this is the escalation that all of us worry about. go ahead. well, i am indeed warrant by the american reaction. i don't believe president would use nuclear weapons or i think he's being miscoded. i mean read, he's called, well we will use all weapons necessary to print that out there. he didn't even say the want nuclear american reaction because look, well tonight the state wants to it there. so there are always certain stages. you know, 1st a small war is for all the water, iraq and wait or something. then the lead is demonized. like, oh he so dangerous is absolutely crazy, and if you can destroy the wall, so the american public is convinced that this person needs to be taken out of the se, and then they stops. so we have almost all them here and i'm very concerned. i'm

very concerned my general trust you already on a b, c. you know, i'm from the perspective. what would happen if there were nice these things? would you use a nuclear weapons? you said that we will take out the game is terrible. what take out all the russian forces better here and no, to review their writing more terrible things. there will be a cyber attack on russia, paralyzed and they will find some conventional lisa, you know, the right to don't they show their cards? are they showing their cards general portray is, i mean, his reaction destroy the black sea fleet. i mean, i don't know what he was talking about. i mean, a complete lot of them. so certainly a reflection of the caliber of thinking that is in washington. but this is all you can do, right. all right. ukraine drums out of the picture year. i mean, it's really, they really show with what this is all about. this is about force regime change in

russia because when they talk, that's why they introduce the element of nuclear weapons because your brain doesn't have them. so this is again, pivoting to a, russia is the, the phone of the united states and nato, when they're not officially belligerent in this conflict. go ahead, mess with this at this point in time. all of the parties involved in this conflict are facing pretty hard dilemmas are choices. we've discussed the choices that the russian leadership nation right on the one hand to respond to the other hand and still maintain some level of adequacy. as opposed to as opposed to ours. ukrainians are on the on there are also, you know, so you have zalinski resuming, he's talking, coming, venting dirty nuclear bomb. something that perhaps partner food and back in january to, to launch the attack. but also you have, you know,

massive counter offensive on several fronts and the casualties, the ukrainian military suffering, which is never going to be discussed in the, in the western mainstream media are huge. they're only talking about the russian casualties. you have certain interesting things happening. i think in the american political lead, where on the one hand, there is a need in the run up to the meters to show that vitamin has at least one issue on the control. that is, you know, rationally printing conflict. whereas it's bipartisan and my partners and absolutely right. and the agenda he came with office is now under, you know, is not there where there is no foreign policy for the middle class that they discuss. there is no control of the migration issue. there is no control of the installation, things like that. so they need to show that at least one thing, the most important issue for american foreign policy. now,

this crisis is under control and you know, the administration knows what to do with it, but the way they are also quite restrained in the way they want to, you know, approach this conflict to not track us directly there, even though they will read the draft to the united states in the nato allies, to that conflict. and they're showing the support by sending even more dubious signal, says the ones that secretary blinking made in relation to the bombing of the crimea bridge and more stream. things like this, that all of that doesn't really sit well in moscow and creates the impression that the west is absolutely, they're not just coming for food and but common for the destruction of russia. and that in a way is conflict. 2 or more, you know, dangerous extremes in a very, very, very way, quickly. i mean, obviously we're rapidly running out of time, but the mean them,

i was barely alive. i was alive during the cuban missile crisis. neither one of you were. but we are in, if you know the history of that conflict, which is there are similarities and there's some differences. and, but this isn't cuban missile crisis kind of in slow motion. ok, except for it's on rushes. your step in before and q that was on america's doorstep . they're in there consciously aware of this in kind of detailing on what max i to say here. this is, you know, you want to make, you want to inflame the conflict as much as possible without being drawn into it. but we see our mission creep is work and every single conflict in recent history. so that's why i'm very, very concerned, because i hear there's really loose rhetoric from the united states and it's official them. but this is the cuban missile crisis in reverse. 30 seconds team and go ahead. well, i think it so it wasn't that you've been me. so crisis because during the cuban missile crisis, because of march or adequate need to ship in washington and the communist.

and i don't, you will already already know staff, you know, people who are involved in that price told me that she was out with 2 years later by the bureau because of the league for almost made it. oh wow. well, you know, they're nice now is give all danger because they didn't want you to promise not to join. they don't the near future. so it was not even really changing your crane. yes, it was the case in your, you know, what kennedy, i have run out of time. want to thank my guest here in moscow when i think our viewers from watching us here to see you next time, remember across apples ah ah, [000:00:00;00]

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